Barb: I can't help with your particular query; I am also "stuck" on a Bates line, a fellow born ca 1801. I think this is a pretty hard name to research. However, there are bits and pieces of it done. I have a document from one Perry Streeter in NY that details four generations from approximately mid-1600s to mid-1700s in MA & RI. The line he has documented is Frances-1, Frances-2, Frances-3, William-4. I'm sure that my particular line will tie in with one of these fellows, I just don't know where/how. Other folks have also researched their particular Bates line and put it out on the web. The name is pretty big in CT, RI, and MA (I am searching in RI, expecting to go sometime into MA if I ever find my guy's parents). If you would like a copy of Perry's document or want his Email address, drop me an Email. Another option (if you haven't already) is to run a search on different phrases such as "Bates Family", "Joel Bates," etc. on a metasearcher and see if you don't hit on several individual Bates family pages. The two metasearchers that I use are: http://www.metacrawler.com/index_power.html http://www.cyber411.com/main.htm See what you get using the metacrawler and then try the Cyber411. Best wishes in your search. Barbara [email protected] ----------------------------------- Subj: Joel Bates Date: 98-09-03 19:36:01 EDT From: [email protected] (Barbara Walsh) To: [email protected] Hi, I posted this awhile back, and thought I'd give it another shot. I'm looking for info on Joel F. Bates who married Bertha M. Burns aprox 1893. They lived in Yonkers, NY and had a son named Arthur. Arthur married Ethel Mabelle Seeley, and had 3 children. Bertha May Bates, Harold George Bates (my dad), and Arthur Bates. Most of this family lived in the Massachusetts area. Any help would be appreciated! Barb ----------------------- Headers --------------------------------