In reference to Rochelle's quest for info on Bird BATES & Martha BUTLER: Bird Ellis BATES & Martha A BUTLER, shown in the 1860 Dickson Co TN census with their sons, Isaac born abt 1852 & Thomas born abt 1858. Bird Ellis son of Isaac BATES & Didame(a) TUBB Isaac BATES son of John BATES & Susannah HENDLEY. Didame(a) TUBB daughter of James TUBB & Mary Ann "Polly" FISHER Don't have anything on the BUTLERs. Maybe someone else has them. Have some on this BATES line, and a bunch on the TUBB(s) clan. (My Elizabeth TUBB b. 1754 older sister of James TUBB.) Be glad to share what I have. Feel free to e-mail me privately. Marlene Bates Johnson Sand Springs OK