I read with interest your BATES reply below. While some of my information appears the same I find we also have different information. For instance you noted that Henry BATES (died 1478)and wife Agnes had only daughters. I show only Thomas and James as children. Could you send me your BATES tree in GED or FTM? If you would like mine please advise. The line I have goes to John Bates b. 1797 Scituate RI married to Hannah Smith in 1823 then sons Emmett Lowell BATES and Harvey J BATES born 1829 Boonville IN married to Margaret Bennett in 1850 Warrick Co IN and earlier to Elizabeth Hubbard. I may be able to answer some of Sandra's questions on Scituate RI Bates. Please forward this to her. Loren Hoboy ||lorenhoboy@pobox.com||. -----Original Message----- From: Wilma T. North [mailto:billieno@viptx.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:27 PM To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BATES-L] Descendants of John Bate Dear Sandra, I am so excited by your long letter and have to tell you that what I wrote to David has just bloomed into a tremendous response from so many Bateses who are in the Clement line. First, I have printed a Bates tree for my children and sent them for Christmas. However, my tree was made written by hand by a Cyrus H. Bates of Cohasset, who got wills made in England by Col. Theodore Cornelius Bates of Worchester, MA . Cyrus, who died in 1926 took the wills and made the tree. However, his own family didn't intermarry with the Bates until about 1700's. If I am repeating, forgive, but I wanted you know how authentic the history is back to 1415. Now Theodore Cornelius Bates gave Cyrus his copy of the wills. Cyrus was not really that interested in these old data, but he had our Sir Thomas on the edge of his tree which was on microfilm, and I had to move it over to the left from the crack and put our line on the right side of the tree. Some comments: I do not know where you got your information, but I have never seen Margaret, Sir Thomas' wife, with the maiden name England, unless you were just identifying her. The sons of Sir Thomas and Margaret are John and William. Evidently William either died or had no issue. No record there. Sir Thomas had two sons and John Bate is our ancestor. Will proved in 1522. John's sons were Andrew, died 1532, and Thomas, died 1530. There is too much to look up, but this is the basic tree. The Agnes you mentioned was the wife of Henry, died 1478, and they had only daughters. On my tree and in the wills Henry left his heirs to his relatives, and I won't go into that. Andrew's wife's name is not on the tree, but I will tr y to look it up on the wills. If Andrew died in 1532-33, his wife could not have died in 1522. Andrew's children were *John, Thomas, William, Simon, Joan, and Katherine.You were mostly right. *John's children were *James, married to Mary Martine (I don't thnk there is an "e" on the end) but will leave it for now. Other children were Thomas, Andrew, and Mary. These children were by his first wife, Mildred Ward. You are exactly right. *Clement and Ann Dalrymple and his family got to Hingham with their children, but Benjamin was born in Hingham. *James was married to Ruth Lyford. You are right. I won't go over the children. But that is where my line diverges from yours. I have nothing on John Bates of Scituate, and from there on it is all yours. And I think you have done a wonderful job of completing your line. I have had so many responses to the letter to David, including some with Solomon and Benjamin, but this is all I can do now. I'll try to send you the e-mail from these other people who wrote to me. You did not tell me the name of your grandfather or father. It might be good for me to have. My grandfather, Dr. Smith L. Bates, was born in 1850 in Indiana and moved to settle in Adrian, Mo. where he practiced as a horse and buggy doctor for years. I was born in Butler, Mo. 60 miles south of Kansas City, where we moved when I was 7 years old. My mother was Wilma Estella Bates Thiele and married my father, Dr. George H. Thiele, born in Kansas. Sandra G Ellenburg wrote: > David, Kozmo & Billie, > I'm just now getting back to comparing all your information, I too have > the same lineage through Clement & Mary Martin[e]. I would love to > exchange info with you. > Billie, you mentioned having the Bate line back to 1248 with Sir Gerard > Bate of London, is this Bate connected to this line of Bate[s]? I would > love that information. I, too live in Texas, northwest of Austin. > Would love to hear from you. > Sandra Bates Ellenburg > > MY BATES LINE > Thomas Bate > *Thomas was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1410. *Thomas died 1485 England, > He married *Margaret England. > Children: > William Bate. > *John Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > Agnes Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > Alice Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATE > *John died September 17, 1522 in Lydd, Kent, England. > RECORD NOTE: John's wife died before July 31, 1522. No record of wife's > name or marriage. > Children: > Thomas Bate. > *Andrew Bate Lydd, England, 1500. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > ANDREW BATE > *Andrew was born Lydd, England 1500. *Andrew died February 22, 1532 or > 1533 in Lydd, Kent, England. > RECORD NOTE: Andrews wife died between 31 Jul 1522 & 22 Feb 1532/33. No > record of wife's name or date of marriage. > Children: > Joan Bate. > Katerine Bate. > Simon Bate. > William Bate. > *John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, 1521. > Thomas Bate 1522. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATES > *John was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1521. *John died February,1580 in > Lydd, Kent, England, at 58 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: Other dates of death found are- March 1, 1579 and June 1, > 1577. > He married Mary Bennett. > He married *Mildred Ward Lydd Parish, Lydd, England, October 18, 1546. > Children of John and Mildred: > Mary Bates. > Andrew Bates. > Thomas Bates. > *James John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, December 2, 1562. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JAMES JOHN BATES > *James was born in Lydd, Kent, England December 2, 1562. > He married *Mary Martine Lydd, Lydd Parish, Kent, England, June 6, 1580. > *James died March 2, 1613 in Lydd, Kent, England, at 50 years of age. > Children: > Edward Bates. > Robert Bates. > Anna Bates. > John Bates. > Thomas Bates. > James Bates. > Anna Bates. > Joseph Bates. > Mary Bates. > Isaac Bates. > Martha Bates. > Rachel Bates. > *Clement Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, January 22, 1594. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > CLEMENT BATES > *Clement was born in Lydd, Kent, England January 22, 1594. > He married *Ann Dalrymple England, 1620. > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Clement and Ann came to America on the ship > "ELIZABETH" with his brother James, April 16, 1635. > *Clement died September 9, 1671 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 77 > years of age. > Children: > Son Bates. > Joseph Bates. > Rachel Bates. > Benjamin Bates. > *James Bates Biddenden, England, about 1621. > Clement Bates 1623. > John Bates October 18, 1624. > Samuel Bates March 24, 1638-39. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JAMES BATES > *James was born Biddenden, England about 1621. > He married *Ruth Lyford Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, April 19, 1643 > *James died July 5, 1689 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 68 years of > age. > Children: > Hopestill Bates. > John Bates. > Clement Bates. > Ruth Bates. > Joseph Bates. > *John Bates Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts, October 7, 1649. > Benjamin Bates July 15, 1655. > Soloman Bates August 23, 1657. > Rachel Bates September 6, 1659. > James Bates April 15, 1662. > Child Bates September 21, 1663. > Margaret Bates July 17, 1664. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATES > *John was born Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts October 7, 1649. > *John died January 15, 1718 in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, at > 68 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: John may have died in 1719. > He married *Elizabeth Beckwith in New London, Connecticut, about 1677. > Children: > Sarah Bates. > Elizabeth Bates. > Ruth Bates in New London, Connecticut. > Jonathan Bates in New London, Connecticut. > Martha Bates in New London, Connecticut. > John Bates June 8, 1678. > *Soloman Bates February 8, 1679-1680. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > SOLOMAN BATES > *Soloman was born February 8, 1679-1680. > He married *?. > Children: > Rachel Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, 1704. > Soloman Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, September 21, > 1705. > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, March 9, > 1708-1709. > David Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, February 6, > 1712-1713. > Elizabeth Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, April 6, 1714 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOSEPH BATES > *Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut March 9, > 1708-1709. > RESEARCH NOTE: Found in East Haddam, Connecticut Vital Records a Joseph > Bate and Elizabeth that married May 12, 1727. Don't know if this could be > the same Joseph. > He married *Penellope Parker in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > March 9, 1736-37. > Children: > Elihu Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, November 19, 1737. > > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut, April 19, 1743. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOSEPH BATES > Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut April 19, 1743. > He married *Ruth Lewis. > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Joseph and Ruth lived in Haddam, Connecticut. > *Joseph died 1777 at 34 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: Joseph was killed in the Battle of Saratoga, in the > Revolutionary War. > Children: > *Benjamin Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 30, > 1765. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > BENJAMIN BATES > *Benjamin was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut January 30, > 1765. > *Benjamin died in Leyden, Lewis County, New York. > EVENT TEXT: Joseph died at his daughter Julia's home in Leyden, New York. > He married *Rhoda Scovill in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > October 21, 1790. > Children: > Elon Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, May 10, 1795. > Nancy Belinda Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, > 1797. > Roxana Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 8, 1799. > Rhoda Eliza Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 17, > 1802. > Daughter Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, 1805. > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Benjamin. > *Benjamin Lewis Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, > 1805. > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Daughter Bates who died as a child. > Julia Anne Bates in Feeding Hills, Massachuetts, September 29, 1813. > > BENJAMIN L. BATES > m.-Mary? > Children: Birney b.-1847-48 NY, William Wells b.-1850 NY, Florence b.- > after 1850 possibly KY > William was my g-grandfather. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/