To Loren, Wilma, David, Sandra and all the others interested in the Scituate Bates.' Emmitt Lowell Bates was my gggrandfather. I have his father as John E, and before him, Reuben, John and Samuel. Now.....for my puzzle. My aunt, now deceased, spent most of her life as a professor of English and English lit. Her hobby, which became full-time after she retired, was genealogy. She wrote in a letter to my mother that "we are all from James, brother of Clement, who came to Boston on the "Elizabeth" in 1635. " She also mentions a Gurley Basil Bates of Pasadena, CA who had been writing to her of the Bates. I have not been able to make the connection between Samuel (who I have as being born in 1682 in Bristol, RI) and the James, from whom I am also supposedly descended. Would James have been Samuel's grandfather, perhaps? I sort of figured that James was too old to be considered Samuel's father, but in reality, I suppose he might not have been after all. (However, in making these calculations, I have been assuming that James came with Clement; which I shouldn't do....assume, I mean! Also, in telling about Clement's passage, she may just have done that as some form of reference; perhaps not knowing details of James' immigration? Anyway, if anyone can help solve my puzzle or shed ANY light on the situation, I'll more than welcome your contributions! Thanks, Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Hoboy" <lorenhoboy@pobox.com> To: <BATES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 1:56 AM Subject: [BATES-L] Wilma North- Descendants of John Bate > I read with interest your BATES reply below. While some of my information > appears the same I find we also have different information. For instance > you noted that Henry BATES (died 1478)and wife Agnes had only daughters. I > show only Thomas and James as children. Could you send me your BATES tree > in GED or FTM? If you would like mine please advise. > > The line I have goes to John Bates b. 1797 Scituate RI married to Hannah > Smith in 1823 then sons Emmett Lowell BATES and Harvey J BATES born 1829 > Boonville IN married to Margaret Bennett in 1850 Warrick Co IN and earlier > to Elizabeth Hubbard. > > I may be able to answer some of Sandra's questions on Scituate RI Bates. > Please forward this to her. > > Loren Hoboy > ||lorenhoboy@pobox.com||. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wilma T. North [mailto:billieno@viptx.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:27 PM > To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BATES-L] Descendants of John Bate > > > Dear Sandra, I am so excited by your long letter and have to tell you that > what I wrote to David has just bloomed into a tremendous response from so > many Bateses who are in the Clement line. First, I have printed a Bates > tree for my children and sent them for Christmas. However, my tree was made > written by hand by a Cyrus H. Bates of Cohasset, who got wills made in > England by Col. Theodore Cornelius Bates of Worchester, MA . Cyrus, who > died in 1926 took the wills and made the tree. However, his own family > didn't intermarry with the Bates until about 1700's. If I am repeating, > forgive, but I wanted you know how authentic the history is back to 1415. > Now Theodore Cornelius Bates gave Cyrus his copy of the wills. Cyrus was > not really that interested in these old data, but he had our Sir Thomas on > the edge of his tree which was on microfilm, and I had to move it over to > the > left from the crack and put our line on the right side of the tree. > > Some comments: > > I do not know where you got your information, but I have never seen > Margaret, > Sir Thomas' wife, with the maiden name England, unless you were just > identifying her. > > The sons of Sir Thomas and Margaret are John and William. Evidently > William either died or had no issue. No record there. Sir Thomas had two > sons and John Bate is our ancestor. Will proved in 1522. > > John's sons were Andrew, died 1532, and Thomas, died 1530. There is too > much > to look up, but this is the basic tree. > > The Agnes you mentioned was the wife of Henry, died 1478, and they had only > daughters. > > On my tree and in the wills Henry left his heirs to his relatives, and I > won't go into that. Andrew's wife's name is not on the tree, but I will tr y > to look it up on the wills. If Andrew died in 1532-33, his wife could not > have died in 1522. > > Andrew's children were *John, Thomas, William, Simon, Joan, and > Katherine.You were mostly right. > > *John's children were *James, married to Mary Martine (I don't thnk there is > an "e" on the end) but will leave it for now. Other children were Thomas, > Andrew, and Mary. These children were by his first wife, Mildred Ward. You > are exactly right. > > *Clement and Ann Dalrymple and his family got to Hingham with their > children, > but Benjamin was born in Hingham. > > *James was married to Ruth Lyford. You are right. I won't go over the > children. But that is where my line diverges from yours. > > I have nothing on John Bates of Scituate, and from there on it is all yours. > And I think you have done a wonderful job of completing your line. > > I have had so many responses to the letter to David, including some with > Solomon and Benjamin, but this is all I can do now. I'll try to send you > the > > e-mail from these other people who wrote to me. You did not tell me the > name > of your grandfather or father. It might be good for me to have. My > grandfather, Dr. Smith L. Bates, was born in 1850 in Indiana and moved to > settle in Adrian, Mo. where he practiced as a horse and buggy doctor for > years. I was born in Butler, Mo. 60 miles south of Kansas City, where we > moved when I was 7 years old. My mother was Wilma Estella Bates Thiele and > married my father, Dr. George H. Thiele, born in Kansas. > Sandra G Ellenburg wrote: > > > David, Kozmo & Billie, > > I'm just now getting back to comparing all your information, I too have > > the same lineage through Clement & Mary Martin[e]. I would love to > > exchange info with you. > > Billie, you mentioned having the Bate line back to 1248 with Sir Gerard > > Bate of London, is this Bate connected to this line of Bate[s]? I would > > love that information. I, too live in Texas, northwest of Austin. > > Would love to hear from you. > > Sandra Bates Ellenburg > > > > MY BATES LINE > > Thomas Bate > > *Thomas was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1410. *Thomas died 1485 England, > > He married *Margaret England. > > Children: > > William Bate. > > *John Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > > Agnes Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > > Alice Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOHN BATE > > *John died September 17, 1522 in Lydd, Kent, England. > > RECORD NOTE: John's wife died before July 31, 1522. No record of wife's > > name or marriage. > > Children: > > Thomas Bate. > > *Andrew Bate Lydd, England, 1500. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > ANDREW BATE > > *Andrew was born Lydd, England 1500. *Andrew died February 22, 1532 or > > 1533 in Lydd, Kent, England. > > RECORD NOTE: Andrews wife died between 31 Jul 1522 & 22 Feb 1532/33. No > > record of wife's name or date of marriage. > > Children: > > Joan Bate. > > Katerine Bate. > > Simon Bate. > > William Bate. > > *John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, 1521. > > Thomas Bate 1522. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOHN BATES > > *John was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1521. *John died February,1580 in > > Lydd, Kent, England, at 58 years of age. > > EVENT TEXT: Other dates of death found are- March 1, 1579 and June 1, > > 1577. > > He married Mary Bennett. > > He married *Mildred Ward Lydd Parish, Lydd, England, October 18, 1546. > > Children of John and Mildred: > > Mary Bates. > > Andrew Bates. > > Thomas Bates. > > *James John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, December 2, 1562. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JAMES JOHN BATES > > *James was born in Lydd, Kent, England December 2, 1562. > > He married *Mary Martine Lydd, Lydd Parish, Kent, England, June 6, 1580. > > *James died March 2, 1613 in Lydd, Kent, England, at 50 years of age. > > Children: > > Edward Bates. > > Robert Bates. > > Anna Bates. > > John Bates. > > Thomas Bates. > > James Bates. > > Anna Bates. > > Joseph Bates. > > Mary Bates. > > Isaac Bates. > > Martha Bates. > > Rachel Bates. > > *Clement Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, January 22, 1594. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > CLEMENT BATES > > *Clement was born in Lydd, Kent, England January 22, 1594. > > He married *Ann Dalrymple England, 1620. > > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Clement and Ann came to America on the ship > > "ELIZABETH" with his brother James, April 16, 1635. > > *Clement died September 9, 1671 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 77 > > years of age. > > Children: > > Son Bates. > > Joseph Bates. > > Rachel Bates. > > Benjamin Bates. > > *James Bates Biddenden, England, about 1621. > > Clement Bates 1623. > > John Bates October 18, 1624. > > Samuel Bates March 24, 1638-39. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JAMES BATES > > *James was born Biddenden, England about 1621. > > He married *Ruth Lyford Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, April 19, 1643 > > *James died July 5, 1689 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 68 years of > > age. > > Children: > > Hopestill Bates. > > John Bates. > > Clement Bates. > > Ruth Bates. > > Joseph Bates. > > *John Bates Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts, October 7, 1649. > > Benjamin Bates July 15, 1655. > > Soloman Bates August 23, 1657. > > Rachel Bates September 6, 1659. > > James Bates April 15, 1662. > > Child Bates September 21, 1663. > > Margaret Bates July 17, 1664. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOHN BATES > > *John was born Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts October 7, 1649. > > *John died January 15, 1718 in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, at > > 68 years of age. > > EVENT TEXT: John may have died in 1719. > > He married *Elizabeth Beckwith in New London, Connecticut, about 1677. > > Children: > > Sarah Bates. > > Elizabeth Bates. > > Ruth Bates in New London, Connecticut. > > Jonathan Bates in New London, Connecticut. > > Martha Bates in New London, Connecticut. > > John Bates June 8, 1678. > > *Soloman Bates February 8, 1679-1680. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > SOLOMAN BATES > > *Soloman was born February 8, 1679-1680. > > He married *?. > > Children: > > Rachel Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, 1704. > > Soloman Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, September 21, > > 1705. > > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, March 9, > > 1708-1709. > > David Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, February 6, > > 1712-1713. > > Elizabeth Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, April 6, 1714 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOSEPH BATES > > *Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut March 9, > > 1708-1709. > > RESEARCH NOTE: Found in East Haddam, Connecticut Vital Records a Joseph > > Bate and Elizabeth that married May 12, 1727. Don't know if this could be > > the same Joseph. > > He married *Penellope Parker in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > > March 9, 1736-37. > > Children: > > Elihu Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, November 19, 1737. > > > > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut, April 19, 1743. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOSEPH BATES > > Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut April 19, 1743. > > He married *Ruth Lewis. > > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Joseph and Ruth lived in Haddam, Connecticut. > > *Joseph died 1777 at 34 years of age. > > EVENT TEXT: Joseph was killed in the Battle of Saratoga, in the > > Revolutionary War. > > Children: > > *Benjamin Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 30, > > 1765. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > BENJAMIN BATES > > *Benjamin was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut January 30, > > 1765. > > *Benjamin died in Leyden, Lewis County, New York. > > EVENT TEXT: Joseph died at his daughter Julia's home in Leyden, New York. > > He married *Rhoda Scovill in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > > October 21, 1790. > > Children: > > Elon Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, May 10, 1795. > > Nancy Belinda Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, > > 1797. > > Roxana Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 8, 1799. > > Rhoda Eliza Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 17, > > 1802. > > Daughter Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, 1805. > > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Benjamin. > > *Benjamin Lewis Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, > > 1805. > > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Daughter Bates who died as a child. > > Julia Anne Bates in Feeding Hills, Massachuetts, September 29, 1813. > > > > BENJAMIN L. BATES > > m.-Mary? > > Children: Birney b.-1847-48 NY, William Wells b.-1850 NY, Florence b.- > > after 1850 possibly KY > > William was my g-grandfather. > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > ______________________________