Here are my comments. I have basically the same thing with a few differences and/or additions noted within your original message marked with "**". There is no new research here. This info is taken from databases and is not verified. Kozmo > Hello, I am new to this list, but since it's so quiet I thought I'd post this Ahnentafel. If anyone should see any errors or have anything to add please comment. I pieced this together from several sources, some perhaps unreliable. I wonder about the Bates-Bate difference in the 6th generation. > > David Glasser > > Sit tibi copia, sit sapientia, formaque detur, > Inquinat omnia sola superbia si comitetur. > > > Descendants of John Bate of England (1415-1445) > > > 1 John Bate 1415 - 1445 > ... +[?] Agnes 1421 - **new info > ........ 2 Thomas Bate 1440 - 1485 > .............. +Mary or Margaret Caulkins, [?] 1440 - > ...................3 John Bate 1460 - 1522 **bdate new info > ......................... +Margaret **new info > ..............................4 Andrew Bate(s) 1494 - 1531/32 ** also 4 Thomas > .................................... +Joan or Catherine [?] **new info > .........................................5 John Bates 1521 - 1580 **also Simeon, William, Katherine, Thomas, Joan. **I still have "Bate" here > ............................................... +Mildred Ward 1526 - 1577 > ....................................................6 James B. Bate 1562 - 1613/14 **also 6 Mary, Thomas, Andrew > .......................................................... +Mary Martin 1563 - 1610 **dates new info **I have Mary Martine here **I have Mary's ancestors > ..............................................................7 Robert Bate 1579/80 - > ..............................................................7 James B. Bate, Jr. 1582 - > ..............................................................7 Anna Bate 1584 - > ..............................................................7 Anna Bate 1586 - **2nd Anna new info > ..............................................................7 John Bate 1588 - > ..............................................................7 Mary Bate 1589 - > ..............................................................7 Thomas Bate 1590 - > ..............................................................7 Joseph Bate 1592 - > ..............................................................7 Edward Bate 1592 - > ..............................................................7 Clement Bate 1594/95 - 1671 > ..................................................................+Anna Dalrymple 1595 - 1669 **I have Ann Taylor > .........................................................................8 Joseph Bates 1628 - 1708 **also 8 James, Clement (again), John, Rachel, baby boy, Benjamin, Samuel > ............................................................................ ... +Esther Hilliard 1642 - **I have ancestors of Esther > ............................................................................ ........9 Caleb Bates 1666 - 1747 **also 9 Esther, Joshua, Bethsheba, Clement, Eleanor, Abigail > ............................................................................ ..............+Mary Lane 1661 - 1751 **I have Ruth "Bates" > ............................................................................ ...................10 David Bates 1698 - 1760 **dates new info > ............................................................................ ......................... +Patience Farrow 1700/01 - 1757 **new info. **I have 11 Jonathan Bate > ............................................................................ ...................10 Comfort Bates 1690/91 - **new info > ............................................................................ ...................10 Mary Bates 1693 - **new info > ............................................................................ ...................10 John Bates 1700 - **new info > ............................................................................ ...................10 Ruth Bates 1702 - **new info > ............................................................................ ........9 Joseph Bates 1660 - 1714 > ............................................................................ ..............+Mary Lincoln 1662 - 1752 > ............................................................................ ...................10 Mary Bates 1684 - 1750 **also 10 Joseph, Jonathan, Rachel, Susanna, Hester > ............................................................................ ....................... +George Wilson **new info > ..............................................................7 Isaac Bate 1599 - > ..............................................................7 Rachel Bate 1603/04 - > ..............................................................7 Martha Bate 1605 - > ....................................................6 John Bates 1562 - 1613/14 **this line is all new to me. > ........................................................+Mary Martine 1562 - 1610 > ..............................................................7 Edmund Bates 1579 - 1610 > .................................................................... +Elizabeth Leverett 1572 - > ......................................................................8 Edward Bates 'of Weymouth', the Elder 1605 - 1686 > ........................................................................+Sus anna Putnam 1609 - > ............................................................................ ........9 Edward Bates, Jr. 1655 - 1725 > ............................................................................ ...........+Elizabeth Shaw 1655/56 - 1748 > ............................................................................ ...................10 Mary Bates 1697 - > ............................................................................ ......................... +Caleb Campbell 1699 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 Susanna Bates 1679/80 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 John Bates, Sgt. 1685/86 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 Edward Bates 1681/82 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 Joseph Bates 1692 - >