Thru another list someone recommended a web page with old photos This site listed a photo of George C Loomis, picture taken Oct 1904 George b Aug 2 1841 d Nov 5 1910 married Emma Bates 16 may 1870 with three children Arthur Bates, Francis E and Laura C. This isn't one of my Bates, but thought someone might be interested, this is not an endorsement, I don't have a clue about the web page beyond this information If you are interested drop me a line Judy [email protected] -- A job is nice, but it interferes with genealogy research.