Thank you, Patti, for the information. I was wondering whether the Levrett connection might be bogus. I just returned last week from a trip to the Library of Congress for genealogical research. Your response to my Bates query has focused my attention upon some articles I hastily copied and notes that I've been putting together on Edward Bates' ancestry. A big breakthrough was apparently made in 1990 regarding the English origins of Edward Bates of Weymouth, Massachusetts (1655-1725), husband of Elizabeth Shaw (1655/56-1748). I would like to refer you and our other gentle list subscribers to Frederick J. Nicholson's excellent article "THE ENGLISH ORIGINS OF MACUTH PRATT AND EDWARD BATES OF WEYMOUTH, MASS." It can be found in the January 1990 issue of The American Genealogist, pp. 33-43. Generation No. 1 1. Edward Bate of Weymouth, the Elder, born November 23, 1606 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England; died March 25, 1686 in Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts. He was the son of 2. William Bate, Jr. and 3. Margery Phillips. He married (1) Susanna Putnam on January 26, 1631/32 in Drayton Beauchamp, Buckinghamshire, England. This marriage is recorded in the Drayton, Beauchamp Parish records. She was born January 28, 1609/10 in Tring, Hertfordshire, England, and died April 1642. Tring is just across the county line from Drayton, Beauchamp. Susanna was the daughter of Richard Putnam and Susan Brown. See Eben Putnam's chapter: "The Putnams of Hawridge and Choulsbury" in his _A History of the Putnam Family in England and America_. Generation No. 2 This information is sourced from Nicholson's article in TAG. 2. William Bate, Jr., born February 24, 1569/70 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. He was the son of 4. William Bate, Sr. and 5. Alice (widow?) Oslington. He married 3. Margery Phillips January 27, 1605/06 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. 3. Margery Phillips, born Abt. 1580 in England. Children of William Bate and Margery Phillips are: 1 i. Edward Bateof Weymouth, the Elder, born November 23, 1606 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England; died March 25, 1686 in Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts; married Susanna Putnam January 26, 1631/32 in Drayton Beauchamp, Buckinghamshire, England. ii. Elizabeth Bate, born Abt. 1608. iii. Mary (spinster) Bate, born Bef. June 24, 1614; died June 1635. iv. Anna (spinster) Bate, born Bef. August 11, 1616; died January 1633/34. Generation No. 3 This information is also sourced from Nicholson's article in TAG. 4. William Bate, Sr., born Abt. 1545 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England; died August 1605 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. He married 5. Alice (widow?) Oslington July 20, 1564 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. 5. Alice (widow?) Oslington, born Abt. 1545; died July 1609 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. It was Alice's will that provided the key to Edward's ancestry. Alice may have been the daughter of 10. Thomas Oslyngton. Children of William Bate and Alice Oslington are: 2 i. William Bate, Jr., born February 24, 1569/70 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England; married (1) Joan Dover November 05, 1601 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England; married (2) Margery Phillips January 27, 1605/06 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. ii. Henry Bate, born Bet. 1571 - 1577; died March 1628/29; married Joyce ___ Abt. 1600. iii. Winifred Bate, married (1) ______ Daniell Bef. September 1605; married (2) _____ Turney Bef. March 1607/08. iv. Ellen Bate, married _____ Hall Bef. September 23, 1605. v. Catherine Bate, died March 1620/21; married William Kingham Bef. December 02, 1592; born November 25, 1571 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. Catherine and William's daughter Elizabeth Kingham married Macuth Pratt. It is this Pratt connection that provided the clue to search for Bate records in the Aston Clinton area of Buckinghamshire. Pratt family records point there. Tentative Generation No. 4 This is as yet unconfirmed. 10. Thomas Oslyngton, born Abt. 1525 in England; died February 01, 1564/65 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. Child of Thomas Oslyngton may be: 5 i. Alice (widow?) Oslington, born Abt. 1545; died July 1609 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England; married William Bate, Sr. July 20, 1564 in Aston Clinton, Buckinghamshire, England. I have this because of Thomas' dates and place. He may not be Alice's father but he is likely at least a close relative, perhaps an uncle. I am descended from Mary Bates and Caleb Campbell's daughter Mercy, who married Stephen Whiton and had Israel, who married Hannah Stowell and had Kimball Whiting (Whiton variant sp.) who married Desire Jordan and had a son George Whiting who married Ann Smith and had Edward, who married Nancy Black and had son Charles Whiting who married Anna Wodnicka and had daughter Florence, who married Charles Rutledge and had my mother, Mary. ----- Original Message ----- From: <PATTIBATES@aol.com> To: <BATES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2000 10:52 PM Subject: [BATES-L] Mary Bates > --part1_b7.3a4d974.266b2c8c_boundary > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > In response to David Glasser's request for more information on Mary Bates: > > The Mary Bates who married Caleb Campbell was a sister to our Benjamin Bates, > who married Rebecca Eager. They were the children of Edward Bates and > Elizabeth Shaw, who married 26 Feb 1675 in Weymouth, Norfolk, MA.. Edward's > parents were Edward Bate and Susanna Putnem, who married about 1636 in > Weymouth. > > I have further information if nobody supplies you a complete file, but I want > to make the point that Edward Bate was NOT the son of Edmund Bate and > Elizabeth Levrett of Boston, as so many people have suggested. Edmund and > Elizabeth had NO children. > > Please let me know if you want further information. > > Patti