Hi Kim.. have you searched Ancestry.com? (I can do this for you, if you do not have an account there) They have a fair amount of North Carolina data. Have you ever tried using search engines.. and typing in the name of town or county and state.. or surname and state? Good Luck Brenda Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com http://members.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html surnames: Wolfgram, Kratochvil, Secor/Sicard, Jacques, Leguerre, Vallee and and In a message dated 8/24/00 9:00:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, BATES-D-request@rootsweb.com writes:<< Still searching information on Martin Bates b. abt. 1810 in Rutherford, NC. Is anyone familiar with him? He married Rebecca Elizabeth Phillips and eventually ended up in Polk Co. TN. Kim Bates >>