Betty, I am also working this line. Fortunately, many desc. of John Bates have been there before us. I have quite a bit of info on the desc of Susanna & Charles, if you will let me know more about what you need, I will help fill in. Which of their children do you desc from? I am through Susanna Fleming m. John Bates, Jr (so I am bates x2!), then through their son Fleming Bates. I am going on vacation this afternoon, but will return on Wednesday. Please keep in touch. Much of my Bates line is on my web page at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/7998/index.html please check it out.............. Toni Reed [email protected]