In a message dated 97-06-14 15:52:06 EDT, you write: << Subj: BATES--of German Descent Date: 97-06-14 15:52:06 EDT From: [email protected] Resent-from: [email protected] To: [email protected] BATES -- I have them from England & from Ireland, so far. >> Bates City, Missouri was founded after 1865 by Theodore Bates, a German. In Lower Oklahomas (like San Antonio, TX) there bunch of Bates (various spelling) of German descend.