I also had ordered their book on BATES and found the information nothing but junk. I could have done a better job looking in the phone book (which had about 500 times more BATES listed than they did). I returned the book and am now being contacted by their collection department. [email protected] wrote: > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. > > --part0_902953517_boundary > Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> > Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > Dear List Members > > In re (HALBERTS in Bath, Ohio) > > My local postmaster advised me to send a letter to the postmaster in Bath, > Ohio complaining about the worthless genealogy books published and sold by > Halberts of Bath, Ohio. > > I have written one and am including it here for those who don't want to take > the time to write one. You may use mine if you want. Print it and use it if > you want. You must add your name and address at the bottom of the page. > Please invest the time and the 32 cents for the stamp and hopefully we can > put these leeches out of business once and for all. If that postmaster is > deluged with complaints perhaps something will happen. > > You also have my permission to forward this Email to all of your surname lists > and genealogy friends as a warning about the book AND a plea to write letters > to the postmaster in Bath, Ohio. > > The Letter is attached. If you want to add to it, fine. As far as I know > Halberts have been working out of Bath, Ohio for more than 30 years. I can't > imagine the millions of dollars in profits made off the backs of honest > genealogists in the USA (and Canada) in that vast amount of time. > > RGB, Listowner > > --part0_902953517_boundary > Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.2> > Content-type: text/plain; > name="HALBERTA" > Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable > Content-disposition: inline > > 12 August 1998 > > Postmaster, > Bath, Ohio > > Dear postmaster (or postmistress), > > Halbert's are at it again. The books they sell are nothing > but a generic history of the BOYD name (or whatever name) > with thousands of telephone listings thrown in. I have a copy > in my hands right now and I am telling you they are worthless > to the genealogist and to the common person. There is no data > in the book that you cannot find in a library or phone book > in a few short minutes. > > These people have been operating out of Bath, Ohio for years > and you know it. I'll bet you have had hundreds (perhaps > thousands) of complaints about Halberts and this person named > Leroy C. Boyd in the past. I'll bet Leroy Boyd does not even > exist. > > These people have been leeching money from unsuspecting > family oriented roots seeking people for years, even decades > and it is time to stop them. > > Do you have any connection with this company (Halberts) or > with Leroy C. Boyd with address of: 3687 Ira Road, Bath, > Ohio? I appreciate your honesty. > > Also--Will you please supply me with the name and address of > the Postmaster General with whom I may make a louder > complaint? Thank You. > > Sincerely > =1A > > --part0_902953517_boundary--

My family history center's IGI has the following extracted birth record: BATES, Sylvester b. 1811 Keene, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire (no parents listed) Is anyone researching this Sylvester Bates? It seems odd to me to have an extracted birth record that only has a year, and I wonder whether it might have been "extracted" from a marriage license rather than a birth record. I have a Sylvester Bates in my ancestry, born 10-13-1811 in Hartland (Windsor Co)., Vermont, son of Sylvanus BATES (1778-1860) and Sophia CADY and if there are in fact two Sylvester Bates at that time, I think the New Hampshire guy's records are confusing my search! If anyone knows anything about either of these Sylvester Bates, please contact me. Andrea Crowell also: [email protected]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --part0_902953517_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.1> Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Dear List Members In re (HALBERTS in Bath, Ohio) My local postmaster advised me to send a letter to the postmaster in Bath, Ohio complaining about the worthless genealogy books published and sold by Halberts of Bath, Ohio. I have written one and am including it here for those who don't want to take the time to write one. You may use mine if you want. Print it and use it if you want. You must add your name and address at the bottom of the page. Please invest the time and the 32 cents for the stamp and hopefully we can put these leeches out of business once and for all. If that postmaster is deluged with complaints perhaps something will happen. You also have my permission to forward this Email to all of your surname lists and genealogy friends as a warning about the book AND a plea to write letters to the postmaster in Bath, Ohio. The Letter is attached. If you want to add to it, fine. As far as I know Halberts have been working out of Bath, Ohio for more than 30 years. I can't imagine the millions of dollars in profits made off the backs of honest genealogists in the USA (and Canada) in that vast amount of time. RGB, Listowner --part0_902953517_boundary Content-ID: <[email protected]_out.mail.aol.com.2> Content-type: text/plain; name="HALBERTA" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Content-disposition: inline 12 August 1998 Postmaster, Bath, Ohio Dear postmaster (or postmistress), Halbert's are at it again. The books they sell are nothing but a generic history of the BOYD name (or whatever name) with thousands of telephone listings thrown in. I have a copy in my hands right now and I am telling you they are worthless to the genealogist and to the common person. There is no data in the book that you cannot find in a library or phone book in a few short minutes. These people have been operating out of Bath, Ohio for years and you know it. I'll bet you have had hundreds (perhaps thousands) of complaints about Halberts and this person named Leroy C. Boyd in the past. I'll bet Leroy Boyd does not even exist. These people have been leeching money from unsuspecting family oriented roots seeking people for years, even decades and it is time to stop them. Do you have any connection with this company (Halberts) or with Leroy C. Boyd with address of: 3687 Ira Road, Bath, Ohio? I appreciate your honesty. Also--Will you please supply me with the name and address of the Postmaster General with whom I may make a louder complaint? Thank You. Sincerely =1A --part0_902953517_boundary--

From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Hullo to you all from down-under, I've been researching my BATES for 20 years, but this is my first encounter with the BATES mailing list! Considering the number of us scattered around the World it seems very quiet so I have brought out my old master blaster to wake a few of you up! This was written back in 1995, and has been published a couple of times. It is called "A Ten years search (Maybe I'll be lucky in 1998)' Where family researchers gather, they ask still trying to find your BATES? not waiting an answer, then they say, don't suppose you've found any 'Greats'? And I answer the wife of Captain Cook, nee BATTS was baptised Elizabeth BATES and the Guy Fawkes gang had a member, christened Thomas followed by BATES. But whilst I claim a descendant to be, of this Fawkesian namesake of mine. It is said with tongue in cheek, some-one will prove it's moonshine! In my sincere and honest endeavours don't think our name relates. In fact I'm beginning to worry that out there, there ain't no BATES. That no-one out there is aware that the surname BATES exists, newsletters, are read with concern, looking, hoping persists! That some-one else is looking for , that surname which is mine called BATES The GRD, one name studies are out, relatives, very bad straits. Yet surely somewhere, there is some-one, with that name, fairly common, called BATES. Please if you have it, no matter its source, please write so I know, I have mates! Back to Kingsclere, Ham, UK, one six eight three, yes, very good, quite an early date, and stuck, putting it mildly, oh, where are you, you BATES, you BATES, you BATE? They seek him here, they seek him there, that Fawkesian reprobate Jim. email [email protected]

I am looking for information on John Wilford Baytes. He spelled his name with a y but his son Leonard dropped the y and now his descendants spell it Bates. John married Callie Brown and their births were John 1860-1936 and Callie 1863-1927 they had children named Carl, Roy, Raymond, Mamie, Jessie, Edna,Essie and Leonard. They lived in the Lincoln County, Tennessee area. Any info you might have on them would be greatly appreciated.

Hi, I have posted a webpage that has a query reference to the Bates family. The link is http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/2275/index.html please let me know if any of you can help. Thanks in advance. Jana Black

53rd Annual George Bates Family Reunion Saturday, August 9, 1998 1:00 pm IN time at Charlie & Sandy White's 59079 Timber Trail Jefferson Place Goshen,IN 219-533-5610 Please bring dish to pass, table service, lawn chairs and pop optional, money for raffles. No white elephant auction this year. Meat, ice Tea, Lemonade will be provided Would also like to get new family reunion pictures taken this year Yvonne

Message text written by INTERNET:[email protected] >[email protected]< Rob, I have some Bates from Henry County George born Endgland 9/8/1792 d. 5/10,1889 he married a woman named Martha who was originally from VA Their son John Edward (birthplace unknown) 3/28/1832 died at the age of 76 in Elkhart County IN John served in the civil war: 100th infantry, oh volunteers he was marshall of Holgate ohio at one time he was over 7 foot tall and weighed over 300 pounds. his wife was a Haller from PA Yvonne

Anyone have anything on Bates from Northwestern Ohio? Up around Lima or Sidney?

Rob, My Ohio Bates is in Central Ohio not Northwest. This is where my Bates line dead ends also. His name is Sylvanus Bates and though he was born in Vermont (according to the census) he grew up near London, Madison County, Ohio. His approximate birth year is 1812. He had several brothers, Zenus, Ansel, Elijah, and Asa. Sylvanus Bates married Eunice Turner, April 2, 1832. They had several children of which Edward Bates was my great-grandfather. Edward Bates served in the Civil War. I have not been able to find Sylvanus Bates death date or place yet (or birth place in Vermont either). Don't know if your Bates is related to mine or not. Colette Kingsley [email protected] ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

The only Bates I have, that I have been dead-ended on for a while, is Jennie May Bates, m. in Stark County, Ohio in 1883 to John Perry Jackson. There is a possibility that her mother was Eliza Bates, but that is not confirmed. Anyone have a connection? Christy

Anyone have anything on Bates from Northwestern Ohio? Up around Lima or Sidney? ************************************************************ ************************************************************ Fact: More American children lived in poverty in 1992 than in any year since 1965, although our Gross National Product grew 53.2 percent during the same period. (Source: Children's Defense Fund, 1994.) And again I say to you: It is easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. -Book of Matthew Chapter 19- ************************************************************* Robert E. Beasley jr. The Ohio State University at [email protected] homepage at; http://www.expage.com/page/beasleycorner ************************************************************** **************************************************************

Can anyone help me find the marriage of Sylvester BATES of Ludlow, Vermont, to Eliza Ann MORRISON? Eliza was born in Newburyport, Mass., 10-27-1825, but may have lived at Keene, New Hampshire at the time of their marriage. I believe they were married in 1838 or 1839. Their son Norman Francis Bates was born Derby Center, VT, 11-6-1839. I could not find the marriage in Vermont. If anyone has a listing of marriages in New Hampshire, your help would be very much appreciated!

I am hoping that someone can help me on the following: My GG Grandfather Harmon Hirum (aka Henry or Herman) BATES was born in Westfield, VT in 1824. He died in Point Rock, NY in 1901. Father was John BATES. I don't know who his mother was. Harmon Hirum married Mary Wilkes (1825-1884) in Montgomery Co., NY Sep 27, 1849. They had seven children, all born Madison co., NY: Orsen C. Bates 1850-1940 Mary Margaret Bates 1853-1937 Frances Emma Bates 1855-1945 James W. Bates 1857-1864 Lincoln Bates 1860-1860 Elizabeth H Bates 1862-1963 Nora L. Bates 1866-1925 I sure would appreciate it if someone can connect with this and give me some more information on John Bates and his wife and children. Thanks, Barbara Mead HCR #2, Box 811 Cairo, NY 12413 [email protected] _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Just for all the Bates that are looking for any of my information. My Fielding Bates --parents names were: 1.William Baits ( Bates) married Candace Jace/Jacy in Franklin Co, Ga children: Fielding ( Fielder) William Martha James Fielding Bates married Mattie/Martha A. ( not sure of her last name) Children: J W ( John) Minnie Gussie Lee Hal A James P.E. Also I have Fielding born 18 July 1846 and have his records serving in the Civil War. Thanks Vickie Bates

Vickie and other BATES researchers, Our Bates family ancestor was Francis Marion BATES (b @ 1840) who went from Cherokee Co., GA to Lawrence Co., AR. Listing from Genweb re BATES 1850 census, heads of household in Cherokee Co., GA: BATES, F. M. 40 (age) GA (birthplace) 72 (household number) I think he is the father of our known ancestor but have not yet proven this supposition. This FM BATES, born in 1810, was about the only one on the 1850 census born in GA. We would like to make contact with others researching the BATES family in GA for possible connections and for suggestions as to where to look. Vickie Bates wrote: > I have a Fielding Bates here in Georgia... I don't have all my > information on him only that his fathers name was William and mother > name was Candace Jace. They (parents) were married in Franklin Co > Ga. Do these names sound familer to anyone??? > > Please contact me at work - [email protected] or home > [email protected] > > Thanks > Vickie Bates

Regarding the Bateses in the Civil War, our line had at least 2 who served for the North-- Stephen VanRennsaeler Bates (b. 1814, Otsego County NY) and his son Isiah V. Bates (b. abt. 1843, Newstead, Erie County NY). Both joined up out of Toulon IL; Stephen in Company H, 139th Infantry and Isiah as a Sargeant in Company B, 19th Infantry and later in the Elmera Rifles. Both were also listed as musicians for their companies. Stephen M. Bates (b. 1839, NY) served with MI's 1st Light Artillery, L Battery and died of disease at Knoxville, TN 25 Oct. 1864. There is also a C.J. Bates buried in the Batavia MI cemetery with the inscription of Civil War Veteran on his tombstone. These veterans are descendants of Francis Bates of Ipswich (b. 13 July 1627). I would appreciate any further information that anyone might have on any of the above individuals, especially on Isiah, who showed up in the 1870 Federal Census in Kansas but disappeared after that. Thanks in advance! Sue & Bobby Bates

Hannah BATES, b. abt 1810, to Elizabeth (HOLMES) BATES, in Gloucester or Burlington, NJ. Would like to find out name of her father. Hannah had siblings: Joseph, Benjamin, and Mary Ann. Hannah married Gilbert KINDLE, of Gloucester or Burlington, NJ. abt 1831. They had 4 children: 1-Benjamin KINDLE b. abt 1831, 2-Clayton KINDLE, b. May 8, 1833, in Waterford Works, NJ, 3-Jane b. abt 1835, Gilbert, Jr. b. abt 1837. After moving to Jay County, Penn Twp., IN abt 1850, family changed spelling of name to KENDALL. Need any information I can find about BATES and KINDLE family. Dottie Lewis

I have a Fielding Bates here in Georgia... I don't have all my information on him only that his fathers name was William and mother name was Candace Jace. They (parents) were married in Franklin Co Ga. Do these names sound familer to anyone??? Please contact me at work - [email protected] or home [email protected] Thanks Vickie Bates

Thanks for posting, Julie. I didn't have any Bates with the Yankees, but I had one in the 13th Mississippi Volunteers. I did have an ancestor with the Yankees. In the 4th Cavalry, Missouri State Militia but he was Thomas Jefferson Cooper. You were lucky with your pension file. I found no such family info for my Confederae, Thomas A. Bates. His record was part of the "reconstructed" set authorized about 1912 by the government. There was precious little left of the official Confederate records by that time so it is amazing that they were able to put together partial service records which consisted mainly of muster rolls and mentions of wounded in action, "sent to hospital" etc. But it is certainly worth the effort to try for any military service or pension record, or "bounty" lists. The state of Missouri offered some bounty but I never was able to find out if it was cash or land. Thanks again for your thoughtful posting. Jack Bates