I need help with a lost Bates, I am looking for Albert( William?) Bates Born 4/7/1913, I know that a lot of you are looking back in the 1500-1700's but we are stuck on Albert Bates. Here goes my, GGgrandfather George Bates (B.about 1884)Married Annie Dickens around 1911-1912. She was born in Whiteplains N.Y. George and Annie had two children that we know of. George E Bates Sr/Jr.? (b. 9/08/1908) in Greenwich Conn. Albert came next. George E. Bates had two children with his first wife Mary Danko, they are George E.Bates Jr./III ? and Maryann (Curtin) Bates. The reason for the question marks in the names is that we have a picture of my Grandfather that has written on the back "George E. Bates Jr." now as far as we knew he was George E. Bates Sr. that's how he signed his name. But his fathers name was George E.Bates so that would make him a Jr. and my father George E. Bates would be the Third, But my birth certificate says George E. Bates III. And my son's says George E. Bates IV. One of the reasons we are looking for Albert is the obvious reason he's a Bates, the other is it is rumored that He received the Family Bible when his parents died (date unknown to me) it was also rumored that he had children and they lived around Ossining ! N.Y. My grandmother (George E. Bates Sr./Jr.?'s second wife Midge is still living and she says that my Grandfather never talked about his brother Albert I think there was some problems between them. Years ago I asked my Grandfather about our roots he said we were from England, My father on the other hand (who doesn't know anything about his Uncle Albert) says we came from Ireland. I have been looking for a while and keep hitting dead ends.I found an Albert Bates that is around the time my great uncle was around but he was a member of Machine Gun Kelley's Mob( that would be a reason not to talk about him) or maybe he is related to the New York Nightclub owner "Pegleg" Bates. As he was black, and we are Caucasian that might be another reason that my Grandfather might not talk about Albert. Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks George E. Bates III

Hello, I am new to this list, but since it's so quiet I thought I'd post this Ahnentafel. If anyone should see any errors or have anything to add please comment. I pieced this together from several sources, some perhaps unreliable. I wonder about the Bates-Bate difference in the 6th generation. David Glasser Sit tibi copia, sit sapientia, formaque detur, Inquinat omnia sola superbia si comitetur. Descendants of John Bate of England (1415-1445) 1 John Bate 1415 - 1445 ... +[?] Agnes 1421 - ........ 2 Thomas Bate 1440 - 1485 .............. +Mary or Margaret Caulkins, [?] 1440 - ...................3 John Bate 1460 - 1522 ......................... +Margaret ..............................4 Andrew Bate(s) 1494 - 1531/32 .................................... +Joan or Catherine [?] .........................................5 John Bates 1521 - 1580 ............................................... +Mildred Ward 1526 - 1577 ....................................................6 James B. Bate 1562 - 1613/14 .......................................................... +Mary Martin 1563 - 1610 ..............................................................7 Robert Bate 1579/80 - ..............................................................7 James B. Bate, Jr. 1582 - ..............................................................7 Anna Bate 1584 - ..............................................................7 Anna Bate 1586 - ..............................................................7 John Bate 1588 - ..............................................................7 Mary Bate 1589 - ..............................................................7 Thomas Bate 1590 - ..............................................................7 Joseph Bate 1592 - ..............................................................7 Edward Bate 1592 - ..............................................................7 Clement Bate 1594/95 - 1671 ..................................................................+Anna Dalrymple 1595 - 1669 .........................................................................8 Joseph Bates 1628 - 1708 ............................................................................... +Esther Hilliard 1642 - ....................................................................................9 Caleb Bates 1666 - 1747 ..........................................................................................+Mary Lane 1661 - 1751 ...............................................................................................10 David Bates 1698 - 1760 ..................................................................................................... +Patience Farrow 1700/01 - 1757 ...............................................................................................10 Comfort Bates 1690/91 - ...............................................................................................10 Mary Bates 1693 - ...............................................................................................10 John Bates 1700 - ...............................................................................................10 Ruth Bates 1702 - ....................................................................................9 Joseph Bates 1660 - 1714 ..........................................................................................+Mary Lincoln 1662 - 1752 ...............................................................................................10 Mary Bates 1684 - 1750 ................................................................................................... +George Wilson ..............................................................7 Isaac Bate 1599 - ..............................................................7 Rachel Bate 1603/04 - ..............................................................7 Martha Bate 1605 - ....................................................6 John Bates 1562 - 1613/14 ........................................................+Mary Martine 1562 - 1610 ..............................................................7 Edmund Bates 1579 - 1610 .................................................................... +Elizabeth Leverett 1572 - ......................................................................8 Edward Bates 'of Weymouth', the Elder 1605 - 1686 ........................................................................+Susanna Putnam 1609 - ....................................................................................9 Edward Bates, Jr. 1655 - 1725 .......................................................................................+Elizabeth Shaw 1655/56 - 1748 ...............................................................................................10 Mary Bates 1697 - ..................................................................................................... +Caleb Campbell 1699 - ...............................................................................................10 Susanna Bates 1679/80 - ...............................................................................................10 John Bates, Sgt. 1685/86 - ...............................................................................................10 Edward Bates 1681/82 - ...............................................................................................10 Joseph Bates 1692 -

I am interested in finding info on Mary BATES the wife of Homer SLAUSON. Calculating backwards from her grandson's birth, I would hazard to guess that she was born abt. 1730. Her daughter Sarah Slauson was married to Solomon BROWN of Poundridge New York heritage. Please let me know if anyone is interested in this line. My second Bates is also, Mary BATES but who married in 1662 ABRAHAM AMBLER, I. Her parents were Robert and Susannah Smith Bates of Stamford CT. Robert Bates Candee

I am interested in finding info on Mary BATES the wife of Homer SLAUSON. Calculating backwards from her grandson's birth, I would hazard to guess that she was born abt. 1730. Her daughter Sarah Slauson was married to Solomon BROWN of Poundridge New York heritage. Please let me know if anyone is interested in this line. Candee

to whom it may concern; i really dont know where to begin. ive been looking for information on a forest marion bates which is my great grandfather, born sept 1890 die oct 1937. then there is flemmons john bates born 1863 he was know as a full blooded indain he would be my great great grandfather.the only hill i know of is marybell hill which was married to flemmons. nick and ester bates wrer her parants ike and jane hill. i also know a bretrice bates born may 29, 1913 i know of a geargia bates huff . if you know anything about these people or any body that might please e-mail me i have more. thanks

The following information was sent to me concerning the Bates family and a connection with Pocahontas. I had never seen it before and can't verify: (This is probably old news to long=time researchers, but I have not worked on my Bates line very much so I wanted to check it out, with people in the know.) Generations: 1. Pocahontas and John Rolfe 2. Thomas Rolfe married Jane Poythress 3. Jane Rolfe married Col. Robert Bolling 4. John Bolling married Mary Kennon 5. Jane Bolling married Richard Randolph 6. Francis Randolph marrried John Jones 7. Frances Randolph married Joel Halbert, Sr. 8. Elizabeth Halbert married William Hill 9. Thomas Hill married Catherine Shropshire 10. Hannah Hill married Robert Patrick Bates 11. Henderson Wesley Bates married Eliza Elvira Jarrett Bourland (I have definite info on my line from here on)

--part1_35.b1f176.25c4ceaa_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --part1_35.b1f176.25c4ceaa_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: JBrooInFl@aol.com From: JBrooInFl@aol.com Full-name: JBrooInFl Message-ID: <50.e4da77.25c4cb8d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 18:02:37 EST Subject: Re: [BATES-L] Info that I can't Verify To: cocolane@ayrix.net, BATES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 45 Courtney, I have generally the same information you have. My great great grandmother was Eliza Bates, the sister of Henderson Wesley Bates. I've done a lot of research on our Bates lineage and from what I have pieced together, perhaps the only questionable part of the line back to Pocahontas is whether or not Frances Randolph was actually the daughter of Richard Randolph and Jane Bolling. I've read articles which seem to say that may be in doubt, but I've done no first-hand research into it. Further, I had through (and I guess, hoped) that our Bates line went back to Clement Bates in Hingham, Massachusetts. I've spent three vacations in Hingham compiling much information about those Bates families, but there, too, I can't quite prove that our ancestor, Joseph Bates, the father of William Bates (who lived in western Virginia), was actually the Joseph, son of Clement. Hope this is helpful. I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. Jerry Brooks jbrooinfl@aol.com Tampa, FL --part1_35.b1f176.25c4ceaa_boundary--

Courtney, I have generally the same information you have. My great great grandmother was Eliza Bates, the sister of Henderson Wesley Bates. I've done a lot of research on our Bates lineage and from what I have pieced together, perhaps the only questionable part of the line back to Pocahontas is whether or not Frances Randolph was actually the daughter of Richard Randolph and Jane Bolling. I've read articles which seem to say that may be in doubt, but I've done no first-hand research into it. Further, I had through (and I guess, hoped) that our Bates line went back to Clement Bates in Hingham, Massachusetts. I've spent three vacations in Hingham compiling much information about those Bates families, but there, too, I can't quite prove that our ancestor, Joseph Bates, the father of William Bates (who lived in western Virginia), was actually the Joseph, son of Clement. Hope this is helpful. I'll be happy to answer any questions you may have. Jerry Brooks jbrooinfl@aol.com Tampa, FL

Making a copy of your Census report and filing for posterity (or self) is indeed a good idea. Our local genalogical society has been preaching that, too. Jane

> Hi Everyone, > See below. What a great idea! > > "The year 2000 is a Census Year. most of the census will be taken by mail, > so after you have filled out your census form why not make a copy of it and > file with your important papers. Then your family will not have to wait 70 > years > to learn about you." >

Looking for any information on my gg-gm named above.She was born in Nova Scotia about or before 1830 and was married to Samuel Hill. They must have moved to New Jersey as their daughter, my g-gm Hannah Hill, was born there in 1851. Hannah Hill married John Henry Carberry and they lived and died in Brooklyn New York and are both buried in Holy Cross Cemetary in East Flatbush Brookly,n, NYC. This Nova Scotia connection is news to me and If anyone has the slightest hint about Jerusha or her family, parents, siblings etc., please please contact me. Thank you Jim Ogilvie ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

I would like to apologize to the list for sending three copies of my letter about discovering my husband's descendancy from Edward of Weymouth. My excuse is I received the following letter two times and supposed I needed to resend. Can someone please explain why this occurs, when the letters obviously go through and get published? Are other subscribers having this problem? I cropped off the copy of the letter that followed to spare all of you having to read it a FOURTH time. Patti Bates Subj: Undeliverable mail Date: 01/20/2000 7:01:22 PM Pacific Standard Time From: mailer-daemon@eyeworld.net To: PATTIBATES@aol.com This message was addressed to a user that does not exist at this address. Please verify the name and domain in the original message that follows. The message was addressed to: joy@eyeworld.net ----- Original message follows ----- Received: from bl-14.rootsweb.com ([204.212.38.30]) by eyeworld.net (wcSMTP [v5.3.448]) with SMTP id 9792210; Fri, 21 Jan 2000 02:55:30 GMT Received: (from slist@localhost) by bl-14.rootsweb.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA27833; Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:54:11 -0800 (PST) Resent-Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 18:54:11 -0800 (PST) From: PATTIBATES@aol.com Message-ID: <2f.807adf.25b92422@aol.com> Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2000 21:53:22 EST Old-To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 10 Subject: [BATES-L] Descended from Edward of Weymouth Resent-Message-ID: <RVsGGD.A.pyG.Sp8h4@bl-14.rootsweb.com> To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com Resent-From: BATES-L@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <BATES-L@rootsweb.com> archive/latest/885 X-Loop: BATES-L@rootsweb.com Precedence: list Resent-Sender: BATES-L-request@rootsweb.com

Hi, Andrea. Although I have not yet had an opportunity to confirm for myself, I have been told that part of the following is from "History of Weymouth Mass".Vol 4 Pg. 612: Elizabeth Shaw was born 26 Feb 1656 in Boston, Suffolk, MA, died 6 July 1746/48 in Hingham, Plymouth, MA, married (1) Jospeh POOLE about 1673, married (2) Edward BATE 26 Feb 1675 in Weymouth, MA. Parents: John Shaw and Alice Phillips. John SHAW was born 23 May 1630 in Halifax, Yorkshire, England, died 16 Sep 1704 in Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts, married Alice PHILLIPS n 1655 in Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts. His parents were Abraham SHAW, born 14 Nov 1585 in Northowram, Yorkshire, England; died 2 Nov 1638 in Halifax, Yorkshire, England, and Elizabeth BEST. born 9 Apr 1592 in Ovenden, Yorkshire, England. They married 24 Jun 1616 in Halifax, Yorkshire, England. Patti Bates Alice PHILLIPS was born 1636 in Wendover, Buckinghamshire, England. She died 1 Sep 1672 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts. Her parents were Nicholas PHILLIPS, born 1611 in Wendover, Bucks, England; died 1 Sep 1672 in Boston, Suffolk, Massachusetts, and Elizabeth JENSON, born about 1610 in Wendover, Bucks, England, died about 1649 in Weymouth, Norfolk, Massachusetts. They married 26 Jun 1631 in Wendover, Bucks, England.

Hi, Patti-- Do you have any information about the wife of Edward2, Elizabeth Shaw? I've found her a bit confusing, to say the least, and wondered what you have found? I have her birthdate as 2-26-1656 (per the Genealogies of the Early Families of Weymouth) and that she died 7-6-1748 in Hingham. Do you have her parents? Thanks, Andrea Crowell ACrowell@email.msn.com -----Original Message----- From: PATTIBATES@aol.com <PATTIBATES@aol.com> To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com <BATES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, January 20, 2000 7:38 PM Subject: [BATES-L] Descended from Edward of Weymouth >>Edward Bates, b. 26 Nov 1606, Boston, Lincolnshire, England > Emigrated from England to Boston, MA on the ship "Griffin" in 1636 > m. Susanna ? abt 1636, Weymouth MA >Edward Bates II, b. 10 Dec 1655, Weymouth, Norfolk, MA > m. Elizabeth Shaw 26 Feb 1675, Weymouth, MA

At long last, I have connected our Nelson Bates to Francis Bates and Maria Obitts of Lorain Co, OH and each ancestor back to the parents of Edward of Weymouth. Because so many of you have contacted me over the past two years while I've made this search, I want to share the descendancy, as follows. Please let me know if you have corrections or additions, are related anywhere along the way, or would like further information. Patti Bates PattiBates@aol.com Bates Descendancy Edmund Bates, b. 1579/80, Boston, Lincolnshire, England m. Elizabeth Leveret 3 Sept 1592, Lincolnshire, England Edward Bates, b. 26 Nov 1606, Boston, Lincolnshire, England Emigrated from England to Boston, MA on the ship "Griffin" in 1636 m. Susanna ? abt 1636, Weymouth MA Edward Bates II, b. 10 Dec 1655, Weymouth, Norfolk, MA m. Elizabeth Shaw 26 Feb 1675, Weymouth, MA Benjamin Bates, b 1701, Weymouth, MA m. Rebecca Eager 6 Dec 1726, Abington, Plymouth, MA Moses Bates, b. 23 Dec 1740, Abington MA m. Hannah Norton 28 Nov 1761, Abington, MA William Bates, b. 3 Mar 1764, Abington, Plymouth, MA Sarah Wood, Abt 1799, Cummington, Hampshire, MA Francis Bates, b. 28 June 1800, Cummington, MA m. Maria Obitts 16 Jun 1820 Nelson A. Bates, b. 1 Mar 1831, Jefferson Co, NY m. Serepta Parrish 17 June 1852, Wellington, Lorain Co, OH William Pitt Bates, 19 Apr 1871, Lagrange, Lorain Co, OH m. (1) Lydia Robbins 14 Dec 1899, Floral, Cowley Co, KS (2) Frank Delmar Bates, b. 11 Mar 1891, Floral, Cowley Co, KS m. Lucile Undine Nowlin 24 Dec 1919, Dallas, TX Frank Nowlin Bates of Fountain Valley, CA

At long last, I have connected our Nelson Bates to Daniel Bates and Maria Obitts of Lorain Co, OH and each ancestor back to the parents of Edward of Weymouth. Because so many of you have contacted me over the past two years while I've made this search, I want to share the descendancy, as follows. Please let me know if you have corrections or additions, are related anywhere along the way, or would like further information. Patti Bates PattiBtaes@aol.com Bates Descendancy Edmund Bates, b. 1579/80, Boston, Lincolnshire, England m. Elizabeth Leveret 3 Sept 1592, Lincolnshire, England Edward Bates, b. 26 Nov 1606, Boston, Lincolnshire, England Emigrated from England to Boston, MA on the ship "Griffin" in 1636 m. Susanna ? abt 1636, Weymouth MA Edward Bates II, b. 10 Dec 1655, Weymouth, Norfolk, MA m. Elizabeth Shaw 26 Feb 1675, Weymouth, MA Benjamin Bates, b 1701, Weymouth, MA m. Rebecca Eager 6 Dec 1726, Abington, Plymouth, MA Moses Bates, b. 23 Dec 1740, Abington MA m. Hannah Norton 28 Nov 1761, Abington, MA William Bates, b. 3 Mar 1764, Abington, Plymouth, MA Sarah Wood, Abt 1799, Cummington, Hampshire, MA Francis Bates, b. 28 June 1800, Cummington, MA m. Maria Obitts 16 Jun 1820 Nelson A. Bates, b. 1 Mar 1831, Jefferson Co, NY m. Serepta Parrish 17 June 1852, Wellington, Lorain Co, OH William Pitt Bates, 19 Apr 1871, Lagrange, Lorain Co, OH m. (1) Lydia Robbins 14 Dec 1899, Floral, Cowley Co, KS (2) Frank Delmar Bates, b. 11 Mar 1891, Floral, Cowley Co, KS m. Lucile Undine Nowlin 24 Dec 1919, Dallas, TX Frank Nowlin Bates of Fountain Valley, CA

At long last, I have connected our Nelson Bates to Daniel Bates and Maria Obitts of Lorain Co, OH and each ancestor back to the parents of Edward of Weymouth. Because so many of you have contacted me over the past two years while I've made this search, I want to share the descendancy, as follows. Please let me know if you have corrections or additions, are related anywhere along the way, or would like further information. Patti Bates PattiBtaes@aol.com Our Bates Descendancy Edmund Bates, b. 1579/80, Boston, Lincolnshire, England m. Elizabeth Leveret 3 Sept 1592, Lincolnshire, England Edward Bates, b. 26 Nov 1606, Boston, Lincolnshire, England Emigrated from England to Boston, MA on the ship "Griffin" in 1636 m. Susanna ? abt 1636, Weymouth MA Edward Bates II, b. 10 Dec 1655, Weymouth, Norfolk, MA m. Elizabeth Shaw 26 Feb 1675, Weymouth, MA Benjamin Bates, b 1701, Weymouth, MA m. Rebecca Eager 6 Dec 1726, Abington, Plymouth, MA Moses Bates, b. 23 Dec 1740, Abington MA m. Hannah Norton 28 Nov 1761, Abington, MA William Bates, b. 3 Mar 1764, Abington, Plymouth, MA m. (1) Sally Snow (2) Sarah Wood, abt 1799, Cummington, Hampshire, MA Francis Bates, b. 28 June 1800, Cummington, MA m. Maria Obitts 16 Jun 1820 Nelson A. Bates, b. 1 Mar 1831, Jefferson Co, NY m. Serepta Parrish 17 June 1852, Wellington, Lorain Co, OH William Pitt Bates, 19 Apr 1871, Lagrange, Lorain Co, OH m. (1) Lydia Robbins 14 Dec 1899, Floral, Cowley Co, KS (2) Frank Delmar Bates, b. 11 Mar 1891, Floral, Cowley Co, KS m. Lucile Undine Nowlin 24 Dec 1919, Dallas, TX Frank Nowlin Bates of Fountain Valley, CA

Hello, I am looking for information on Nicholas Bates and his wife Mary O'Mara who were both born in New Orleans Louisiana in the 2nd half of the 1800's. They had a son Joseph Alexander Bates who was born 1893 in New Orleans. He married Annie Hazard. Any information would be appreciated. Thanks! Debbie

Wayne & the list, I have a BATES connection to Keene, NH around that time. My Sylvester Bates (b. 10-13-1811 Hartland, Windsor Co., VT) married his second wife Eliza Ann MORRISON (b. 10-28-1824 Newburyport, MA) in Keene on 5-30-1850. The marriage record states Sylvester was from Ludlow (or Woodstock?) VT. (Unfortunately when the Vital Statistics of the Town of Keene were compiled circa 1905, Sylvester's marriage license record generated a "published" Keene birth record that made its way into the IGI, confusing us for decades!) One of my worst dead ends is Sylvester's first wife, married by 1839 and apparently dead by 1846. I don't know why Sylvester married his second wife in Keene, although it is not too far from areas of Windsor County, Vermont. My best lead is that she may have been a DUNHAM from the Orleans County area of Vermont. This Sylvester Bates descends from Elder Edward Bate of Weymouth, Massachusetts: Edward1, Edward2, Joseph3, Joseph4, Sylvanus5, Sylvester6. His family removed from Middleborough, MA, to Windsor County, VT, with Joseph4 around 1787. Do you know the father of Jervis? I'm wondering if perhaps his family migrated from Vermont to New Hampshire and might be connected to my group of Bates. Andrea Crowell ACrowell@email.msn.com -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Ambler <wambler@erols.com> To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com <BATES-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2000 2:35 PM Subject: [BATES-L] Keene NH Bates' >My Jervis Bates 1809 Bellingham MA - 1861 Keene NH who married Eliza Ann Stone of Hubbardston MA removed to Keen NH and raised 7 children. I'm looking for a fun connection or information to any of these folks. My line comes from first child Julius. I have some info and would like to share about some other siblings;

My Jervis Bates 1809 Bellingham MA - 1861 Keene NH who married Eliza Ann Stone of Hubbardston MA removed to Keen NH and raised 7 children. I'm looking for a fun connection or information to any of these folks. My line comes from first child Julius. I have some info and would like to share about some other siblings; The kids; 1. Julius Jervis Bates 1839 NH - 1887 (NYC probably) 2. Ann Eliza Bates 1841-? 3. Edward Earl Bates 1843 NH-1900 GA (carpetbagger) 4. Frederick William Bates 1844 NH-1905 IA --am especially curious about Freddie here. 5. Henry Clay Bates 1848-1853 NH 6. Victoria Elizabeth Bates (Chase) 1850-? 7. Lelia Isabele Bates 1853 NH-? Any connections would add some interest to an otherwise dreary winter season! Wayne Ambler