I need help finding the father of James Kelton Bates, who was born in Alabama in 1844. He was in the Tallapoosa County, AL census in 1850 along with his mother, Elizabeth Johnson Bates Clopton and her second husband, Martin Clopton. Elizabeth and James's father divorced sometime prior to 1848. There were Bates families in Autauga, a neighboring county. Does anyone have ancestors in that part of Alabama?

I read with interest your BATES reply below. While some of my information appears the same I find we also have different information. For instance you noted that Henry BATES (died 1478)and wife Agnes had only daughters. I show only Thomas and James as children. Could you send me your BATES tree in GED or FTM? If you would like mine please advise. The line I have goes to John Bates b. 1797 Scituate RI married to Hannah Smith in 1823 then sons Emmett Lowell BATES and Harvey J BATES born 1829 Boonville IN married to Margaret Bennett in 1850 Warrick Co IN and earlier to Elizabeth Hubbard. I may be able to answer some of Sandra's questions on Scituate RI Bates. Please forward this to her. Loren Hoboy ||lorenhoboy@pobox.com||. -----Original Message----- From: Wilma T. North [mailto:billieno@viptx.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:27 PM To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BATES-L] Descendants of John Bate Dear Sandra, I am so excited by your long letter and have to tell you that what I wrote to David has just bloomed into a tremendous response from so many Bateses who are in the Clement line. First, I have printed a Bates tree for my children and sent them for Christmas. However, my tree was made written by hand by a Cyrus H. Bates of Cohasset, who got wills made in England by Col. Theodore Cornelius Bates of Worchester, MA . Cyrus, who died in 1926 took the wills and made the tree. However, his own family didn't intermarry with the Bates until about 1700's. If I am repeating, forgive, but I wanted you know how authentic the history is back to 1415. Now Theodore Cornelius Bates gave Cyrus his copy of the wills. Cyrus was not really that interested in these old data, but he had our Sir Thomas on the edge of his tree which was on microfilm, and I had to move it over to the left from the crack and put our line on the right side of the tree. Some comments: I do not know where you got your information, but I have never seen Margaret, Sir Thomas' wife, with the maiden name England, unless you were just identifying her. The sons of Sir Thomas and Margaret are John and William. Evidently William either died or had no issue. No record there. Sir Thomas had two sons and John Bate is our ancestor. Will proved in 1522. John's sons were Andrew, died 1532, and Thomas, died 1530. There is too much to look up, but this is the basic tree. The Agnes you mentioned was the wife of Henry, died 1478, and they had only daughters. On my tree and in the wills Henry left his heirs to his relatives, and I won't go into that. Andrew's wife's name is not on the tree, but I will tr y to look it up on the wills. If Andrew died in 1532-33, his wife could not have died in 1522. Andrew's children were *John, Thomas, William, Simon, Joan, and Katherine.You were mostly right. *John's children were *James, married to Mary Martine (I don't thnk there is an "e" on the end) but will leave it for now. Other children were Thomas, Andrew, and Mary. These children were by his first wife, Mildred Ward. You are exactly right. *Clement and Ann Dalrymple and his family got to Hingham with their children, but Benjamin was born in Hingham. *James was married to Ruth Lyford. You are right. I won't go over the children. But that is where my line diverges from yours. I have nothing on John Bates of Scituate, and from there on it is all yours. And I think you have done a wonderful job of completing your line. I have had so many responses to the letter to David, including some with Solomon and Benjamin, but this is all I can do now. I'll try to send you the e-mail from these other people who wrote to me. You did not tell me the name of your grandfather or father. It might be good for me to have. My grandfather, Dr. Smith L. Bates, was born in 1850 in Indiana and moved to settle in Adrian, Mo. where he practiced as a horse and buggy doctor for years. I was born in Butler, Mo. 60 miles south of Kansas City, where we moved when I was 7 years old. My mother was Wilma Estella Bates Thiele and married my father, Dr. George H. Thiele, born in Kansas. Sandra G Ellenburg wrote: > David, Kozmo & Billie, > I'm just now getting back to comparing all your information, I too have > the same lineage through Clement & Mary Martin[e]. I would love to > exchange info with you. > Billie, you mentioned having the Bate line back to 1248 with Sir Gerard > Bate of London, is this Bate connected to this line of Bate[s]? I would > love that information. I, too live in Texas, northwest of Austin. > Would love to hear from you. > Sandra Bates Ellenburg > > MY BATES LINE > Thomas Bate > *Thomas was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1410. *Thomas died 1485 England, > He married *Margaret England. > Children: > William Bate. > *John Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > Agnes Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > Alice Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATE > *John died September 17, 1522 in Lydd, Kent, England. > RECORD NOTE: John's wife died before July 31, 1522. No record of wife's > name or marriage. > Children: > Thomas Bate. > *Andrew Bate Lydd, England, 1500. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > ANDREW BATE > *Andrew was born Lydd, England 1500. *Andrew died February 22, 1532 or > 1533 in Lydd, Kent, England. > RECORD NOTE: Andrews wife died between 31 Jul 1522 & 22 Feb 1532/33. No > record of wife's name or date of marriage. > Children: > Joan Bate. > Katerine Bate. > Simon Bate. > William Bate. > *John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, 1521. > Thomas Bate 1522. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATES > *John was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1521. *John died February,1580 in > Lydd, Kent, England, at 58 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: Other dates of death found are- March 1, 1579 and June 1, > 1577. > He married Mary Bennett. > He married *Mildred Ward Lydd Parish, Lydd, England, October 18, 1546. > Children of John and Mildred: > Mary Bates. > Andrew Bates. > Thomas Bates. > *James John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, December 2, 1562. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JAMES JOHN BATES > *James was born in Lydd, Kent, England December 2, 1562. > He married *Mary Martine Lydd, Lydd Parish, Kent, England, June 6, 1580. > *James died March 2, 1613 in Lydd, Kent, England, at 50 years of age. > Children: > Edward Bates. > Robert Bates. > Anna Bates. > John Bates. > Thomas Bates. > James Bates. > Anna Bates. > Joseph Bates. > Mary Bates. > Isaac Bates. > Martha Bates. > Rachel Bates. > *Clement Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, January 22, 1594. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > CLEMENT BATES > *Clement was born in Lydd, Kent, England January 22, 1594. > He married *Ann Dalrymple England, 1620. > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Clement and Ann came to America on the ship > "ELIZABETH" with his brother James, April 16, 1635. > *Clement died September 9, 1671 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 77 > years of age. > Children: > Son Bates. > Joseph Bates. > Rachel Bates. > Benjamin Bates. > *James Bates Biddenden, England, about 1621. > Clement Bates 1623. > John Bates October 18, 1624. > Samuel Bates March 24, 1638-39. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JAMES BATES > *James was born Biddenden, England about 1621. > He married *Ruth Lyford Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, April 19, 1643 > *James died July 5, 1689 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 68 years of > age. > Children: > Hopestill Bates. > John Bates. > Clement Bates. > Ruth Bates. > Joseph Bates. > *John Bates Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts, October 7, 1649. > Benjamin Bates July 15, 1655. > Soloman Bates August 23, 1657. > Rachel Bates September 6, 1659. > James Bates April 15, 1662. > Child Bates September 21, 1663. > Margaret Bates July 17, 1664. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATES > *John was born Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts October 7, 1649. > *John died January 15, 1718 in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, at > 68 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: John may have died in 1719. > He married *Elizabeth Beckwith in New London, Connecticut, about 1677. > Children: > Sarah Bates. > Elizabeth Bates. > Ruth Bates in New London, Connecticut. > Jonathan Bates in New London, Connecticut. > Martha Bates in New London, Connecticut. > John Bates June 8, 1678. > *Soloman Bates February 8, 1679-1680. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > SOLOMAN BATES > *Soloman was born February 8, 1679-1680. > He married *?. > Children: > Rachel Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, 1704. > Soloman Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, September 21, > 1705. > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, March 9, > 1708-1709. > David Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, February 6, > 1712-1713. > Elizabeth Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, April 6, 1714 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOSEPH BATES > *Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut March 9, > 1708-1709. > RESEARCH NOTE: Found in East Haddam, Connecticut Vital Records a Joseph > Bate and Elizabeth that married May 12, 1727. Don't know if this could be > the same Joseph. > He married *Penellope Parker in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > March 9, 1736-37. > Children: > Elihu Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, November 19, 1737. > > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut, April 19, 1743. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOSEPH BATES > Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut April 19, 1743. > He married *Ruth Lewis. > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Joseph and Ruth lived in Haddam, Connecticut. > *Joseph died 1777 at 34 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: Joseph was killed in the Battle of Saratoga, in the > Revolutionary War. > Children: > *Benjamin Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 30, > 1765. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > BENJAMIN BATES > *Benjamin was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut January 30, > 1765. > *Benjamin died in Leyden, Lewis County, New York. > EVENT TEXT: Joseph died at his daughter Julia's home in Leyden, New York. > He married *Rhoda Scovill in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > October 21, 1790. > Children: > Elon Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, May 10, 1795. > Nancy Belinda Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, > 1797. > Roxana Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 8, 1799. > Rhoda Eliza Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 17, > 1802. > Daughter Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, 1805. > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Benjamin. > *Benjamin Lewis Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, > 1805. > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Daughter Bates who died as a child. > Julia Anne Bates in Feeding Hills, Massachuetts, September 29, 1813. > > BENJAMIN L. BATES > m.-Mary? > Children: Birney b.-1847-48 NY, William Wells b.-1850 NY, Florence b.- > after 1850 possibly KY > William was my g-grandfather. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ ============================== Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: http://pml.rootsweb.com/

Helo. I am looking for information on these Bates. Judith Bates (1678-1745) dau. Samuel Bates and Lydia Lapham Bates m. Job Gibbs 20 Feb 1666/7 in Hingham, MA. Ca. 1700 Ann Bates married Henry Sanders; they lived in the section of Plymouth called Agawan Plantation. Judith and Ann may have been sisters. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Stephanie in Denver

Just curious about your extensive Bates data. You seem to have a great amount. I see some of the line in Conn. Do you have any connections in Fairfield County to Holmes or Banks. My Holmes line traces back to a Bates Holmes in late 1700's. He had a sone who he named Zadock Bates Holmes. Bates Holmes was married to Mary Banks and Elizabeth Banks ( not at the same time). Have always felt that Bates was likely surname of a Holmes or Banks spouse but have yet to find connection. Have no info on Bates Holmes' parents. Regards Bill Staples, WE (Worker Emeritus) Researching Family History of HOLMES (NY/CT), STAPLES(NY/NJ/CT), ELMS(NY), BANKS(CT) , WYGANT(NY)

----- Original Message ----- From: <cchance@attglobal.net> To: BATES Mail List <BATES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2000 7:54 AM Subject: Misc. Census Records > I found these surnames recently and though I would post them. > > 1910 Montana, Fergus County, VOL 6 1-302 > BATES, Isaac W., age 24, single, b. NE; Father b. IL; Mother b. IL > " Charles F. > > 1920 Kansas, Protection Township, Outside Corporation > BATES, Samuel, Head, age 47, b. MO; Father b. MO; Mother b. MO > " Ida , Wife, age 41, b. IL; Father b. IL; Mother b. IL > > Hope someone can use them. > Connie >

Dear Sandra, I am so excited by your long letter and have to tell you that what I wrote to David has just bloomed into a tremendous response from so many Bateses who are in the Clement line. First, I have printed a Bates tree for my children and sent them for Christmas. However, my tree was made written by hand by a Cyrus H. Bates of Cohasset, who got wills made in England by Col. Theodore Cornelius Bates of Worchester, MA . Cyrus, who died in 1926 took the wills and made the tree. However, his own family didn't intermarry with the Bates until about 1700's. If I am repeating, forgive, but I wanted you know how authentic the history is back to 1415. Now Theodore Cornelius Bates gave Cyrus his copy of the wills. Cyrus was not really that interested in these old data, but he had our Sir Thomas on the edge of his tree which was on microfilm, and I had to move it over to the left from the crack and put our line on the right side of the tree. Some comments: I do not know where you got your information, but I have never seen Margaret, Sir Thomas' wife, with the maiden name England, unless you were just identifying her. The sons of Sir Thomas and Margaret are John and William. Evidently William either died or had no issue. No record there. Sir Thomas had two sons and John Bate is our ancestor. Will proved in 1522. John's sons were Andrew, died 1532, and Thomas, died 1530. There is too much to look up, but this is the basic tree. The Agnes you mentioned was the wife of Henry, died 1478, and they had only daughters. On my tree and in the wills Henry left his heirs to his relatives, and I won't go into that. Andrew's wife's name is not on the tree, but I will tr y to look it up on the wills. If Andrew died in 1532-33, his wife could not have died in 1522. Andrew's children were *John, Thomas, William, Simon, Joan, and Katherine.You were mostly right. *John's children were *James, married to Mary Martine (I don't thnk there is an "e" on the end) but will leave it for now. Other children were Thomas, Andrew, and Mary. These children were by his first wife, Mildred Ward. You are exactly right. *Clement and Ann Dalrymple and his family got to Hingham with their children, but Benjamin was born in Hingham. *James was married to Ruth Lyford. You are right. I won't go over the children. But that is where my line diverges from yours. I have nothing on John Bates of Scituate, and from there on it is all yours. And I think you have done a wonderful job of completing your line. I have had so many responses to the letter to David, including some with Solomon and Benjamin, but this is all I can do now. I'll try to send you the e-mail from these other people who wrote to me. You did not tell me the name of your grandfather or father. It might be good for me to have. My grandfather, Dr. Smith L. Bates, was born in 1850 in Indiana and moved to settle in Adrian, Mo. where he practiced as a horse and buggy doctor for years. I was born in Butler, Mo. 60 miles south of Kansas City, where we moved when I was 7 years old. My mother was Wilma Estella Bates Thiele and married my father, Dr. George H. Thiele, born in Kansas. Sandra G Ellenburg wrote: > David, Kozmo & Billie, > I'm just now getting back to comparing all your information, I too have > the same lineage through Clement & Mary Martin[e]. I would love to > exchange info with you. > Billie, you mentioned having the Bate line back to 1248 with Sir Gerard > Bate of London, is this Bate connected to this line of Bate[s]? I would > love that information. I, too live in Texas, northwest of Austin. > Would love to hear from you. > Sandra Bates Ellenburg > > MY BATES LINE > Thomas Bate > *Thomas was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1410. *Thomas died 1485 England, > He married *Margaret England. > Children: > William Bate. > *John Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > Agnes Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > Alice Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATE > *John died September 17, 1522 in Lydd, Kent, England. > RECORD NOTE: John's wife died before July 31, 1522. No record of wife's > name or marriage. > Children: > Thomas Bate. > *Andrew Bate Lydd, England, 1500. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > ANDREW BATE > *Andrew was born Lydd, England 1500. *Andrew died February 22, 1532 or > 1533 in Lydd, Kent, England. > RECORD NOTE: Andrews wife died between 31 Jul 1522 & 22 Feb 1532/33. No > record of wife's name or date of marriage. > Children: > Joan Bate. > Katerine Bate. > Simon Bate. > William Bate. > *John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, 1521. > Thomas Bate 1522. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATES > *John was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1521. *John died February,1580 in > Lydd, Kent, England, at 58 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: Other dates of death found are- March 1, 1579 and June 1, > 1577. > He married Mary Bennett. > He married *Mildred Ward Lydd Parish, Lydd, England, October 18, 1546. > Children of John and Mildred: > Mary Bates. > Andrew Bates. > Thomas Bates. > *James John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, December 2, 1562. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JAMES JOHN BATES > *James was born in Lydd, Kent, England December 2, 1562. > He married *Mary Martine Lydd, Lydd Parish, Kent, England, June 6, 1580. > *James died March 2, 1613 in Lydd, Kent, England, at 50 years of age. > Children: > Edward Bates. > Robert Bates. > Anna Bates. > John Bates. > Thomas Bates. > James Bates. > Anna Bates. > Joseph Bates. > Mary Bates. > Isaac Bates. > Martha Bates. > Rachel Bates. > *Clement Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, January 22, 1594. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > CLEMENT BATES > *Clement was born in Lydd, Kent, England January 22, 1594. > He married *Ann Dalrymple England, 1620. > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Clement and Ann came to America on the ship > "ELIZABETH" with his brother James, April 16, 1635. > *Clement died September 9, 1671 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 77 > years of age. > Children: > Son Bates. > Joseph Bates. > Rachel Bates. > Benjamin Bates. > *James Bates Biddenden, England, about 1621. > Clement Bates 1623. > John Bates October 18, 1624. > Samuel Bates March 24, 1638-39. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JAMES BATES > *James was born Biddenden, England about 1621. > He married *Ruth Lyford Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, April 19, 1643 > *James died July 5, 1689 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 68 years of > age. > Children: > Hopestill Bates. > John Bates. > Clement Bates. > Ruth Bates. > Joseph Bates. > *John Bates Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts, October 7, 1649. > Benjamin Bates July 15, 1655. > Soloman Bates August 23, 1657. > Rachel Bates September 6, 1659. > James Bates April 15, 1662. > Child Bates September 21, 1663. > Margaret Bates July 17, 1664. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOHN BATES > *John was born Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts October 7, 1649. > *John died January 15, 1718 in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, at > 68 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: John may have died in 1719. > He married *Elizabeth Beckwith in New London, Connecticut, about 1677. > Children: > Sarah Bates. > Elizabeth Bates. > Ruth Bates in New London, Connecticut. > Jonathan Bates in New London, Connecticut. > Martha Bates in New London, Connecticut. > John Bates June 8, 1678. > *Soloman Bates February 8, 1679-1680. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > SOLOMAN BATES > *Soloman was born February 8, 1679-1680. > He married *?. > Children: > Rachel Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, 1704. > Soloman Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, September 21, > 1705. > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, March 9, > 1708-1709. > David Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, February 6, > 1712-1713. > Elizabeth Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, April 6, 1714 > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOSEPH BATES > *Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut March 9, > 1708-1709. > RESEARCH NOTE: Found in East Haddam, Connecticut Vital Records a Joseph > Bate and Elizabeth that married May 12, 1727. Don't know if this could be > the same Joseph. > He married *Penellope Parker in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > March 9, 1736-37. > Children: > Elihu Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, November 19, 1737. > > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut, April 19, 1743. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > JOSEPH BATES > Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut April 19, 1743. > He married *Ruth Lewis. > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Joseph and Ruth lived in Haddam, Connecticut. > *Joseph died 1777 at 34 years of age. > EVENT TEXT: Joseph was killed in the Battle of Saratoga, in the > Revolutionary War. > Children: > *Benjamin Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 30, > 1765. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------- > BENJAMIN BATES > *Benjamin was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut January 30, > 1765. > *Benjamin died in Leyden, Lewis County, New York. > EVENT TEXT: Joseph died at his daughter Julia's home in Leyden, New York. > He married *Rhoda Scovill in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > October 21, 1790. > Children: > Elon Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, May 10, 1795. > Nancy Belinda Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, > 1797. > Roxana Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 8, 1799. > Rhoda Eliza Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 17, > 1802. > Daughter Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, 1805. > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Benjamin. > *Benjamin Lewis Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, > 1805. > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Daughter Bates who died as a child. > Julia Anne Bates in Feeding Hills, Massachuetts, September 29, 1813. > > BENJAMIN L. BATES > m.-Mary? > Children: Birney b.-1847-48 NY, William Wells b.-1850 NY, Florence b.- > after 1850 possibly KY > William was my g-grandfather. > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/

At 06:36 PM 2/8/00 -0600, you wrote: > Here is some more good genealogy websites. > >Kindred Konnections http://www.kindredkonnections.com/ >You can also download free gedcom software that is LDS compatible. > >Family Tree Maker http://www.familytreemaker.com/ > >Social Security Death Index >http://ssdi.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ssdi.cgi > >Vanessa > > >Pat Connors wrote: > >> I sent this out right after New Year's so if you already have it, >> nothing is changed or added. This is for our new listers. >> >> The Top Ten Genealogical Web Sites >> (c) 1999 by R. Cole Goodwin >> >> If you were looking for an ancestor, on which ten Internet >> sites would you most likely find him or her? 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David, Kozmo & Billie, I'm just now getting back to comparing all your information, I too have the same lineage through Clement & Mary Martin[e]. I would love to exchange info with you. Billie, you mentioned having the Bate line back to 1248 with Sir Gerard Bate of London, is this Bate connected to this line of Bate[s]? I would love that information. I, too live in Texas, northwest of Austin. Would love to hear from you. Sandra Bates Ellenburg MY BATES LINE Thomas Bate *Thomas was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1410. *Thomas died 1485 England, He married *Margaret England. Children: William Bate. *John Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. Agnes Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. Alice Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- JOHN BATE *John died September 17, 1522 in Lydd, Kent, England. RECORD NOTE: John's wife died before July 31, 1522. No record of wife's name or marriage. Children: Thomas Bate. *Andrew Bate Lydd, England, 1500. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- ANDREW BATE *Andrew was born Lydd, England 1500. *Andrew died February 22, 1532 or 1533 in Lydd, Kent, England. RECORD NOTE: Andrews wife died between 31 Jul 1522 & 22 Feb 1532/33. No record of wife's name or date of marriage. Children: Joan Bate. Katerine Bate. Simon Bate. William Bate. *John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, 1521. Thomas Bate 1522. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- JOHN BATES *John was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1521. *John died February,1580 in Lydd, Kent, England, at 58 years of age. EVENT TEXT: Other dates of death found are- March 1, 1579 and June 1, 1577. He married Mary Bennett. He married *Mildred Ward Lydd Parish, Lydd, England, October 18, 1546. Children of John and Mildred: Mary Bates. Andrew Bates. Thomas Bates. *James John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, December 2, 1562. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- JAMES JOHN BATES *James was born in Lydd, Kent, England December 2, 1562. He married *Mary Martine Lydd, Lydd Parish, Kent, England, June 6, 1580. *James died March 2, 1613 in Lydd, Kent, England, at 50 years of age. Children: Edward Bates. Robert Bates. Anna Bates. John Bates. Thomas Bates. James Bates. Anna Bates. Joseph Bates. Mary Bates. Isaac Bates. Martha Bates. Rachel Bates. *Clement Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, January 22, 1594. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- CLEMENT BATES *Clement was born in Lydd, Kent, England January 22, 1594. He married *Ann Dalrymple England, 1620. BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Clement and Ann came to America on the ship "ELIZABETH" with his brother James, April 16, 1635. *Clement died September 9, 1671 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 77 years of age. Children: Son Bates. Joseph Bates. Rachel Bates. Benjamin Bates. *James Bates Biddenden, England, about 1621. Clement Bates 1623. John Bates October 18, 1624. Samuel Bates March 24, 1638-39. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- JAMES BATES *James was born Biddenden, England about 1621. He married *Ruth Lyford Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, April 19, 1643 *James died July 5, 1689 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 68 years of age. Children: Hopestill Bates. John Bates. Clement Bates. Ruth Bates. Joseph Bates. *John Bates Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts, October 7, 1649. Benjamin Bates July 15, 1655. Soloman Bates August 23, 1657. Rachel Bates September 6, 1659. James Bates April 15, 1662. Child Bates September 21, 1663. Margaret Bates July 17, 1664. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- JOHN BATES *John was born Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts October 7, 1649. *John died January 15, 1718 in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, at 68 years of age. EVENT TEXT: John may have died in 1719. He married *Elizabeth Beckwith in New London, Connecticut, about 1677. Children: Sarah Bates. Elizabeth Bates. Ruth Bates in New London, Connecticut. Jonathan Bates in New London, Connecticut. Martha Bates in New London, Connecticut. John Bates June 8, 1678. *Soloman Bates February 8, 1679-1680. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- SOLOMAN BATES *Soloman was born February 8, 1679-1680. He married *?. Children: Rachel Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, 1704. Soloman Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, September 21, 1705. *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, March 9, 1708-1709. David Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, February 6, 1712-1713. Elizabeth Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, April 6, 1714 - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- JOSEPH BATES *Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut March 9, 1708-1709. RESEARCH NOTE: Found in East Haddam, Connecticut Vital Records a Joseph Bate and Elizabeth that married May 12, 1727. Don't know if this could be the same Joseph. He married *Penellope Parker in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, March 9, 1736-37. Children: Elihu Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, November 19, 1737. *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut, April 19, 1743. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- JOSEPH BATES Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut April 19, 1743. He married *Ruth Lewis. BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Joseph and Ruth lived in Haddam, Connecticut. *Joseph died 1777 at 34 years of age. EVENT TEXT: Joseph was killed in the Battle of Saratoga, in the Revolutionary War. Children: *Benjamin Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 30, 1765. - ----------------------------------------------------------------------- - --------------------------------------- BENJAMIN BATES *Benjamin was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut January 30, 1765. *Benjamin died in Leyden, Lewis County, New York. EVENT TEXT: Joseph died at his daughter Julia's home in Leyden, New York. He married *Rhoda Scovill in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, October 21, 1790. Children: Elon Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, May 10, 1795. Nancy Belinda Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, 1797. Roxana Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 8, 1799. Rhoda Eliza Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 17, 1802. Daughter Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, 1805. EVENT TEXT: Twin to Benjamin. *Benjamin Lewis Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, 1805. EVENT TEXT: Twin to Daughter Bates who died as a child. Julia Anne Bates in Feeding Hills, Massachuetts, September 29, 1813. BENJAMIN L. BATES m.-Mary? Children: Birney b.-1847-48 NY, William Wells b.-1850 NY, Florence b.- after 1850 possibly KY William was my g-grandfather. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! 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David, Your Ahnentafel is very interesting to me, as I descend from Clement but have not found as many names in the previous generations. Bates ancestors, yes, as the FHC and other histories went back to John (or Thomas, they said), b. 1415. Where did you find his wife (Agnes)'s name? And Thomas's wife (Margaret or Mary Caulkins)? I had only Margaret for her, showing b. ca. 1440. I'm sure my date of b. for Andrew was wrong, but where did you locate 1494 as the date? (I am not doubting, just would like to share your sources.) As to James B. Bate (gen. 6), do you know where the "B." came from? Then to Clement's wife Anna: All sources I have seen gave no surname for her, so I hope that Dalrymple is right, as I really would like to know. And did she come from Lydd? I am descended from Emily, Benjamin, James, Solomon, Joshua, Joseph, Clement... James (Sr.) and his son Benjamin (b. 1770, not to be confused with James's brother Benjamin) and Benjamin's siblings moved westward to Chesterfield, MA, and I am looking for birth records of the children of Benjamin Hannah (Kelley) Bates. The 1922 Bates Bulletin lists them, but does not cite specific documentation. Does anyone know any more about them? Thank you for any help you can provide. Jane Brumbaugh

Hi Billie! David, I too intended to answer to tell you to tell you that Edmund Bates didn't have children so isn't anyone's ancestor. My cousin, Ken Bates, referred to by Billie, found the wills of Edmund and wife, Elizabeth Leveritt and found that they didn't have children. They were thought to be the parents of my ancestor, Edward Bates of Boston but that is incorrect information. Billie is an expert on her and your line and I only know the Edmund/Edward part. Good hunting! Mary Jean Bates Evans

Dear David, I got your e-mail, but my computer froze up so I am trying today. I don't want to make this too long, but you and I have the same line down through James Bate and Mary Martin to Clement. However, the children of James and Mary do not coincide with the ones I have. They are James, Clement, Joseph, Benjamin, Samuel, and Rachel. I have just finished a family tree back to John (1415-1445) and they are authenticated with wills copied by Col Theodore Cornelius Bates of Massachusetts, and put into a will by Cyrus H. Bates of Cohasset. I must tell you that the Edmund and Edward are not in this line. Ken Bates of the Bates Association has been looking for them for a long time, but I am not sure he ever solved the mystery. He is a Mormon in Salt Lake and is very able to find these facts. His e-mail is KNBate@Lgcy.com. He thought we were cousins, then the Edmund-Edward connection proved we were not. But he came down to help me set up the PAF and also helped me fill a gap of of Laben, son of Laben. I got my DAR because of this, but I haven't talked to him for a long time. Mary Jane Evans of the Bates Ass. also was hunting this down. What I have is straight back, probably to Sir Gerard Bate of Yorkshire, Lord Mayor of London in 1248, but I don't have that confirmed. comfirmed. Good luck. I am way down in Victoria, TX, but come from a long line of Bateses. My mother was a Bates. Billie North

Looking for information on Vivian BATES who married Ed JONES of Amite County, MS, around 1895. She may have been from Pine Ridge or Pineville, LA. Rosemary Rummler rummlers@earthlink.net

Looking for information on Vivian BATES who married Ed JONES of Amite County, MS, around 1895. She may have been from Pine Ridge or Pineville, LA. Rosemary Rummler rummlers@earthlink.net

I am interested in finding info on Mary BATES the wife of Homer SLAUSON. Calculating backwards from her grandson's birth, I would hazard to guess that she was born abt. 1730. Her daughter Sarah Slauson was married to Solomon BROWN of Poundridge New York heritage. Please let me know if anyone is interested in this line.

Please change my e-mail address to cocolane@ayrix.net. Thanks Sonya Mims

Here are my comments. I have basically the same thing with a few differences and/or additions noted within your original message marked with "**". There is no new research here. This info is taken from databases and is not verified. Kozmo > Hello, I am new to this list, but since it's so quiet I thought I'd post this Ahnentafel. If anyone should see any errors or have anything to add please comment. I pieced this together from several sources, some perhaps unreliable. I wonder about the Bates-Bate difference in the 6th generation. > > David Glasser > > Sit tibi copia, sit sapientia, formaque detur, > Inquinat omnia sola superbia si comitetur. > > > Descendants of John Bate of England (1415-1445) > > > 1 John Bate 1415 - 1445 > ... +[?] Agnes 1421 - **new info > ........ 2 Thomas Bate 1440 - 1485 > .............. +Mary or Margaret Caulkins, [?] 1440 - > ...................3 John Bate 1460 - 1522 **bdate new info > ......................... +Margaret **new info > ..............................4 Andrew Bate(s) 1494 - 1531/32 ** also 4 Thomas > .................................... +Joan or Catherine [?] **new info > .........................................5 John Bates 1521 - 1580 **also Simeon, William, Katherine, Thomas, Joan. **I still have "Bate" here > ............................................... +Mildred Ward 1526 - 1577 > ....................................................6 James B. Bate 1562 - 1613/14 **also 6 Mary, Thomas, Andrew > .......................................................... +Mary Martin 1563 - 1610 **dates new info **I have Mary Martine here **I have Mary's ancestors > ..............................................................7 Robert Bate 1579/80 - > ..............................................................7 James B. Bate, Jr. 1582 - > ..............................................................7 Anna Bate 1584 - > ..............................................................7 Anna Bate 1586 - **2nd Anna new info > ..............................................................7 John Bate 1588 - > ..............................................................7 Mary Bate 1589 - > ..............................................................7 Thomas Bate 1590 - > ..............................................................7 Joseph Bate 1592 - > ..............................................................7 Edward Bate 1592 - > ..............................................................7 Clement Bate 1594/95 - 1671 > ..................................................................+Anna Dalrymple 1595 - 1669 **I have Ann Taylor > .........................................................................8 Joseph Bates 1628 - 1708 **also 8 James, Clement (again), John, Rachel, baby boy, Benjamin, Samuel > ............................................................................ ... +Esther Hilliard 1642 - **I have ancestors of Esther > ............................................................................ ........9 Caleb Bates 1666 - 1747 **also 9 Esther, Joshua, Bethsheba, Clement, Eleanor, Abigail > ............................................................................ ..............+Mary Lane 1661 - 1751 **I have Ruth "Bates" > ............................................................................ ...................10 David Bates 1698 - 1760 **dates new info > ............................................................................ ......................... +Patience Farrow 1700/01 - 1757 **new info. **I have 11 Jonathan Bate > ............................................................................ ...................10 Comfort Bates 1690/91 - **new info > ............................................................................ ...................10 Mary Bates 1693 - **new info > ............................................................................ ...................10 John Bates 1700 - **new info > ............................................................................ ...................10 Ruth Bates 1702 - **new info > ............................................................................ ........9 Joseph Bates 1660 - 1714 > ............................................................................ ..............+Mary Lincoln 1662 - 1752 > ............................................................................ ...................10 Mary Bates 1684 - 1750 **also 10 Joseph, Jonathan, Rachel, Susanna, Hester > ............................................................................ ....................... +George Wilson **new info > ..............................................................7 Isaac Bate 1599 - > ..............................................................7 Rachel Bate 1603/04 - > ..............................................................7 Martha Bate 1605 - > ....................................................6 John Bates 1562 - 1613/14 **this line is all new to me. > ........................................................+Mary Martine 1562 - 1610 > ..............................................................7 Edmund Bates 1579 - 1610 > .................................................................... +Elizabeth Leverett 1572 - > ......................................................................8 Edward Bates 'of Weymouth', the Elder 1605 - 1686 > ........................................................................+Sus anna Putnam 1609 - > ............................................................................ ........9 Edward Bates, Jr. 1655 - 1725 > ............................................................................ ...........+Elizabeth Shaw 1655/56 - 1748 > ............................................................................ ...................10 Mary Bates 1697 - > ............................................................................ ......................... +Caleb Campbell 1699 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 Susanna Bates 1679/80 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 John Bates, Sgt. 1685/86 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 Edward Bates 1681/82 - > ............................................................................ ...................10 Joseph Bates 1692 - >

Hi, I am looking for anyone with information about Charles Sims Bates. I went to 5th, 6th and part of 7th grades at College View school on College St. in Denver, CO with Charles Bates. He lived on Federal Blvd. there. That was about 1945-46. He would have been born around 1934-35. We were in the Highlander Boys together. I would like to talk to him again as we were good friends. If you have any knowledge of a Charles S. Bates, please let know. Thanks Don L. Fox DonFox@cybertrails.com

I have the obituary of George Columbus Bates: copy 4-9-1940 letter. Bentonville -- George Columbus Bates, 83, long time resident of Hiwasse, 10 miles west of Bentonville, died at his home there Thursday morning. He was born at Dalton, GA and came to Benton Co. in 1870. He is survived by his widow, Mrs. Mary Seely Bates, one daughter, Mrs. Vesta Allen of Stella, Missouri, 3 sons, Albert, Charlie & Herman Bates all of Hiwasse. hope some one needs this. rachel

Is anyone researching the Bates family in the Channel Islands of either Guernsey or Jersey. My ancestor John Bates (1774 Guernsey) arrived with wife Mary (1780) and family in Philadelphia in 1817 aboard the Venus. Sincerely, Rob Risko

I need help with a lost Bates, I am looking for Albert( William?) Bates Born 4/7/1913, I know that a lot of you are looking back in the 1500-1700's but we are stuck on Albert Bates. Here goes my, GGgrandfather George Bates (B.about 1884)Married Annie Dickens around 1911-1912. She was born in Whiteplains N.Y. George and Annie had two children that we know of. George E Bates Sr/Jr.? (b. 9/08/1908) in Greenwich Conn. Albert came next. George E. Bates had two children with his first wife Mary Danko, they are George E .Bates Jr./III ? and Maryann (Curtin) Bates. The reason for the question marks in the names is that we have a picture of my Grandfather that has written on the back "George E. Bates Jr." now as far as we knew he was George E. Bates Sr. that's how he signed hi s name. But his fathers name was George E.Bates so that would make him a Jr. and my father George E. Bates would be the Third, But my birth certificate says George E. Bates III. And my son's says George E. Bates IV. One of the reasons we are looking for Albert is the obvious reason he's a Bates, the other is it is rumored that He received the Family Bible when his parents died (date unknown to me) it was also rumored that he had children and they lived around Ossining ! N.Y. My grandmother (George E. Bates Sr./Jr.?'s second wife Midge is still living and she says that my Grandfather never talked about his brother Albert I think there was some problems between them. Years ago I asked my Grandfather about our roots he said we were from England, My father on the other hand (who doesn't know anything about his Uncle Albert) says we came from Ireland. I have been looking for a while and keep hitting dead ends.I found an Albert Bates that is around the time my great uncle was around but he was a member of Machine Gun Kelley's Mob( that would be a reason not to talk about him) or maybe he is related to the New York Nightclub owner "Pegleg" Bates. As he was black, and we are Caucasian that might be another reason that my Grandfather might not talk about Albert. Any help would be greatly appreciated.Thanks George E. Bates III