Hello, I am new to the list and am looking for info on Elizabeth "Bouncy" Bates. She would have been born around 1850. Her parents names are unkown but her her siblings names were: Nathan, Johnny, Tommy, Luther, Henry, Janie, Lei, Sally and Molly. She married Noah Smith. It is said that Noah left her to raise the children and tend the farm alone. After which she never remarried. Together Noah and Bouncy had the following children: Lei, Nathan, Janie, Johnny, Luther, Mary, and Queen Luvenia. They raised their children in Laurens Co., Georgia where Bouncy died. Thanks in advance for any help you can give. April@oppcatv.com

Hello fellow Bates listers: Here is part of a message from a cousin (not a Bates) who lives in Batesville Arkansas. I had asked him to write to me about his town for the list, as he is president of the Batesville Historical Society. Hope you can use this info and enjoy it. Jimmy > > Lastly, I can tell you briefly about my town's name. > Batesville was named in honor of James Woodson > Bates. Originally the post office was named Poke > Creek, but when Bates was elected the first > territorial delegate to Congress in 1821, the name > was changed. James W. Bates did not live here at > the time, but moved to his namesake town in 1824 and > practiced law and also served as a territorial judge > until 1830. After his appointment as judge expired, > Bates moved on to Van Buren, Arkansas (just north of > Fort Smith) and was a delegate to the state's first > constitutional convention in 1835. Bates died in > 1846, while residing in Clarksville, Arkansas. His > burial site has been lost to history. My > information states nothing about a family, thus he > may have never married. > > James Woodson Bates was born in Virginia, attended > Yale and graduated from Princeton about 1810. He > had a brother, Frederick Bates, who served as > Secretary of the Missouri Territory in the very > early 1800s. > > Regards, Craig Ogilvie > > > ===== __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Lastly, I can tell you briefly about my town's name. > Batesville was named in honor of James Woodson > Bates. FOLLOW-UP TO POSTING IN REGARD TO JAMES W. BATES OF AR & VA The naming of Batesville, Arkansas in honor of James Woodson Bates was covered in Bates Booster Newsletter No. 1, dated January 1972, published by The Bates Family of Old Virginia. Web Site for The Bates Family of Old Virginia http://www.halcyondays.com/bates.htm James Woodson Bates was 7th generation Bates, descendant of immigrant John Bates (1598-1666), who arrived in Virginia on the Southampton in the the winter of 1623/4. Descendants of John Bates (1598-1666) are deemed one of 132 FFV (First Families of Virginia) by book "Adventurers of Purse and Person - Virginia 1607-1624/5," published by The Order of First Families of Virginia.

Please note this new e-mail address for Barbara Harrell, San Antonio, TX: GenealogyPlus@aol.com Thank you, Barbara Harrell

Hi, All, Dolline Evans sent this to me and I am sorry if you have already received it. I am in the middle of moving from San Clemente to San Juan Capistrano, so my email has rather stacked up. I enjoyed this -- hope you will to! Thanks, Dolline(Offroad 5@AOL.com) (Dolline knows about those Bates who came to California way back when) Missy Genealogy Humor 1. My family coat of arms ties at the back....is that normal? 2. My family tree is a few branches short! All help appreciated. 3. My ancestors must be in a witness protection program! 4. Shake your family tree and watch the nuts fall! 5. My hobby is genealogy, I raise dust bunnies as pets. 6. How can one ancestor cause so much TROUBLE?? 7. I looked into my family tree and found out I was a sap. 8. I'm not stuck, I'm ancestrally challenged. 9. I'm searching for myself; Have you seen me? 10. If only people came with pull-down menus and on-line help... 11. Isn't genealogy fun? The answer to one problem leads to two more! 12. It's 2000... Do you know where your-Gr-Gr-Grandparents are? 13. A family reunion is an effective form of birth control. 14. A family tree can wither if nobody tends it's roots. 15. A new cousin a day keeps the boredom away. 16. After 30 days, unclaimed ancestors will be adopted. 17. Am I the only person up my tree... sure seems like it. 18. Any family tree produces some lemons, some nuts and a few bad apples. 19. Ever find an ancestor HANGING from the family tree? 20. FLOOR: The place for storing your priceless genealogy records. 21. Gene-Allergy: It's a contagious disease, but I love it. 22. Genealogists are time unravelers. 23. Genealogy is like playing hide and seek: They hide... I seek! 24. Genealogy: Tracing yourself back to better people. 25. "Crazy" is a relative term in my family. 26. A pack rat is hard to live with, but makes a fine ancestor. 27. I want to find ALL of them! So far I only have a few thousand. 28. I Should have asked them BEFORE they died! 29. I think my ancestors had several "Bad heir" days. 30. I'm always late. My ancestors arrived on the JUNEflower. 31. Only a Genealogist regards a step backwards as progress. 32. Share your knowledge; it is a way to achieve immortality. 33. Heredity: Everyone believes in it until their children act like fools! 34. It's an unusual family that hath neither a lady of the evening or a thief. 35. Many a family tree needs pruning. 36. Shh! Be very, very quiet.... I'm hunting forebears. 37. Snobs talk as if they had begotten their own ancestors! 38. That's strange: half my ancestors are WOMEN! 39. I'm not sick, I've just got fading genes. 40. Genealogists live in the past lane. 41. Cousins marrying cousins: Very tangled roots! 42. Cousins marrying cousins: A non-branching family tree. 43. All right! Everybody out of the gene pool! 44. Always willing to share my ignorance... 45. Documentation... The hardest part of genealogy. 46. Genealogy: Chasing your own tale! 47. Genealogy... will I ever find time to mow the lawn again? 48. That's the problem with the gene pool: NO Lifeguards. 49. I researched my family tree... and apparently I don't exist! 50. SO MANY ANCESTORS...........................SO LITTLE TIME! Sue Johnson in Lubbock, Texas....Home of Buddy Holly "Children are the living messages we send to a time we will not see." -- John W Whitehead, essayist, _The Stealing of America_, 1983

My ancestor, Samuel Bates was born 9 Aug. 1760 in Haddam, Conn. His father was probably David Bates from Haddam. At the age of 16, he enlisted in a New Hampshire regiment & served 3-1/2 Yrs. before returning to Vermont. He married Abigail Willard 1 Jun. 1786. Their children were: Clarissa, Lindamind, Henry Willard, & Ira B. My gggrandfather, Henry Willard Bates, was born 4 Feb. 1794, in Randolph, Vt. In 1812 they moved to Kendall, Orleans Co.,N.Y. A fire in the 1890's in Kendall, destroyed all birth & marriage records there. I am trying to find Bates descendants to obtain family records.

Hi List, I am new to this list, so just post my interest: DAVID BATES born c1832 married Sarah Margaret VAN (b 1835) and they had 4 children, all born in Kensington: DAVID THOMAS BATES b & d 1860 JANE BATES b1863 GEORGE BATES b1868 ELLEN BATES b1872 Does anyone out there recognise any of these people?? Best Wishes Steve Moran ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

My name is Jean THOMAS BAKER and I connect to the BATES family through my great-grandmother, Mary Ann BATES, who married Seth THOMAS. We have traced our line back to the BATES line which has been mentioned lately on this list. Our line goes backwards in this manner, Mary Ann, William,John William, John, John, Comfort, Caleb, Joseph, Clement, James, John, Andrew, John - I hope this posting is not against any rules of the list. I just wanted to give an idea of why I have joined. JEAN

Evelyn, Yes, Deborah Whiton who married Solomon Bates on May 1, 1730, was the dau. of John Whiton and Mary Tower. But she must have died soon after, for Solomon married Deborah Studley on Dec. 14, 1732. She is the mother of all Solomon's children, according to any record I have seen. The Whiton lineage and that marriage is recorded in George Lincoln's History of the Town of Hingham, Mass., Vol II. But, Lincoln has D. Whiton moving to Chesterfield with Solomon, and I don't see how she could have. He fails to mention Solomon's second marriage in the Bates familly section, also. I suppose this is how the FHC record got it wrong, also. I'm descended from Solomon & D. Studley, but I've been interested in what could have happened to Deborah Whiton, and can't find anything. The other interesting thing is that Joshua Bates married Rachel Tower, Dau. of Ibrook Tower and Margaret Harding. According to Lincoln, Mary was Rachel's younger (by 2 yrs.) sister. Those intermarriages did complicate things. This has been interesting. Please write again. Jane Brumbaugh

Hello Everyone, This is probably a long shot but I am going to try. I am looking for anyone who may have information on my gr-grandmother. Her name was Evelyn Bates. She was born in Alpena, Michigan. She married Fred LaForge on July 9, 1918 in Alpena. I know that she and my gr-grandfather were divorced in Los Angeles County in 1933. Evelyn's residence at the time of the divorce was Long Beach, CA. I would appreciate any information anyone may have as my grandmother, their daughter, was put up for adoption in 1925. Because of the adoption we have no idea whatever happened to her mother. Gayle Tabiadon

I know I have read somewhere about the naming of towns all over the country for some of the Bates family. Short memory, and can't find the information now. Does anyone know who Bates City, Missouri was named for and anything about it? I just joined the BFOV in Nov 1998, so don't have the Boosters farther back that that. Thanks for any help, Eva

Looking for information on William Henry Bates m. Mary Bates daughter Althea Mae Bates b. 1886. Lived in the Pelza, Newberry area of South Carolina Thanks, Brenda

My line comes through Joseph Bates & Esther Hilliard; Joshua Bates & Rachel Tower; Rachel Bates & Andrew Beal. Was the Deborah Whiton who married Solomon Bates (b. 13 April 1706) the Deborah Whiton b. 3 March 1706 at Hingham, daughter of John Whiton and Mary Tower? As I looked up this line, I think I have Deborah and Solomon in twice, once for each family! Evelyn Beran Here's my line: Descendants of Joseph Bates Generation One 1. Joseph1 Bates was born in 1629/30 in England. He married Esther Hilliard, daughter of William Hilliard and Esther, on 9 January 1657/58 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He died on 30 April 1706 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. Esther Hilliard was born on 25 March 1642 in Boston, Suffolk County, MA. She was christened on 25 June 1655 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. She died on 3 June 1709 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, at age 67. Children of Joseph1 Bates and Esther Hilliard all born in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, were as follows: i. Joseph2 Bates was born on 28 September 1660. He married Mary Lincoln, daughter of Samuel Lincoln and Martha, on 3 January 1683/84 in Hull, Plymouth County, MA. He died on 3 November 1714 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, at age 54. ii. Esther Bates was born on 29 August 1663. She married Richard Cobb on 16 September 1691 in Boston, Suffolk County, MA. iii. Caleb Bates was born on 30 March 1666. He married Ruth on 26 August 1689 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He married Mary Lane, daughter of Josiah Lane and Mary Bacon, on 14 April 1691 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He married Sarah Sprague, daughter of Anthony Sprague and Elizabeth Bartlett, on 10 June 1716 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He died on 15 August 1748 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, at age 82. iv. Hannah Bates was born on 31 October 1668. 2 v. Joshua Bates, born 14 August 1671; married Rachel Tower. vi. Bathsheba Bates was born on 26 January 1673/74. vii. Clement Bates was born on 22 September 1676. He died on 29 June 1706 at age 29. viii. Eleanor Bates was born on 29 August 1679. She died on 8 September 1679 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. ix. Abigail Bates was born on 16 October 1680. She married John Chubbuck on 12 June 1704. Generation Two 2. Joshua2 Bates (Joseph1) was born on 14 August 1671 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He married Rachel Tower, daughter of Ibrook Tower and Margaret Hardin, on 15 January 1695/96 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. Rachel Tower was born on 16 March 1674/75 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. Children of Joshua2 Bates and Rachel Tower all born in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, were as follows: 3 i. Rachel3 Bates, born 14 July 1696; married Andrew Beal. ii. Joshua Bates was born on 15 June 1698. He married Abigail Joy, daughter of Joseph Joy and Elizabeth Andrews, on 28 December 1721 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He died on 16 March 1766 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, at age 67. iii. Bathsheba Bates was born on 9 February 1699/0. She married Joseph Clark. iv. Elizabeth Bates was born on 23 November 1703. She married Ebenezer Woodward, son of Smith Woodward and Thankful Pope, on 8 October 1724 in Cohasset Parish, Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. She died after 1738. v. Solomon Bates married Deborah Whiton. He was born on 13 April 1706. vi. Isaac Bates was born on 3 March 1707/8. He married Martha Clark, daughter of John Clark and Rebecca Lincoln, on 28 December 1732. vii. Jacob Bates died in Dudley, MA. He was born on 20 August 1710. He married Mary Clark, daughter of John Clark and Rebecca Lincoln, on 19 November 1730. Generation Three 3. Rachel3 Bates (Joshua2, Joseph1) was born on 14 July 1696 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. She married Andrew Beal, son of Jeremiah Beal and Hannah Lane, on 14 December 1715 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. Andrew Beal was born on 27 January 1685/86 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He died on 10 January 1762 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, at age 75. Children of Rachel3 Bates and Andrew Beal all born in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, were as follows: i. Benjamin4 Beal was born on 19 September 1716. He married Martha Hudson, daughter of Joseph Hudson and Martha Lincoln, on 13 October 1742 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. ii. Rachel Beal was born on 25 August 1719. She married Isaac Kent on 25 October 1739. iii. Joshua Beal was born on 22 September 1722. He married Percilla Paine on 5 January 1743/44. He died on 9 February 1804 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA, at age 81. iv. Adam Beal was born on 20 August 1725. He married Jael Worrick, daughter of Chasling Worrick and Hester Bate, on 25 November 1745 in Hingham, Plymouth County, MA. He died on 25 December 1796 in Goshen, MA, at age 71. v. Hannah Beal was born on 20 August 1727. She married Benjamin Barnes on 29 October 1746. vi. Abiel Beal was born on 20 October 1733. He married Deborah Lambert on 11 March 1755. He married Susannah on 6 February 1789. vii. Rebecca Beal was born on 26 April 1737. She married Seth Albey on 19 October 1757.

Someone wrote recently: > have been watching with interest the recent letters >with info about John Bate b-25 Oct.,1415 in Lydd, England. 1415 ? From what source? Since I live near the Library of Congress in Washington, D.C., please kindly provide a source or two, so I would go there this Wednesday to search for "John Bate b-25 Oct.,1415 in Lydd, England,. because the LoC has thousands and a book on English people. I descend from: 1. Thomas Bates, d. 1485, Lydd Parish of Hallows, Engalnd 2. John Bates, d. 1522, 3. Andrew Bates, d. 1533, Lydd, England 4. John Bates, d. 1580, Lydd, England 5. James Bates, d. 1614, England 6. CLEMENT BATES, 1595-1671 FOUNDER in America 7. Joseph Bates1630-1706 8. Caleb Bates 9. Ruth Bates Regards, Jean Researching: Gifford, Stowell, Hersey, Richards, Langlee, Hilliard, Hobart, Waters, Lincoln, Hawkes, Bailey, Farrow, Ward, Farnsworth Barker, Williams, Mansfield, Dewey, Lane, May, Barker, Bates, Beal, Neal, Whiton. -- ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

I have been going through the last few e-mails from the Bates-L I have my Bates' from Scituate, MA not RI am I wrong? I also have info on Joseph Bates and Esther Hilliard I show Esther b.-March 25, 1642, m.-January 9, 1656-1657 Their son Joseph, I show he married Mary Lincoln and have a list of their children. Also have family for Caleb & Ruth I show Eleanor d.- September 8, 1679 Their son Joshua I show he died September 23, 1757 I would love to exchange info. Sandra Bates Ellenburg ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

You write: << Caleb Bates B.30 March, 1666 m - Ruth >> I forgot to mention in my previous note that Mary Lane was Caleb Bates's second wife. Mary was born on 29 Sep 1671 and died on 11 Dec 1715. Born in 1702 to Mary Lane and Caleb Bates was Ruth Bates who married 15 Dec 1727 to Joseph Mansfield, Sr. who was born 12 Aug 1693 and died 28 Dec 1756, aet. 63 in Hingham, MA. Regards, Jean - ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi -- We descend from the same emigrant. My chart shows as follows: 1, William Hilliard, b. 1614 England Wife Esther____________ 2. Esther Hilliard b. Boston March 25, 1642; d. June 134, 1709 m. Jan 9, 1657/8 Joseph Bates born 1630 England 1630, son of Clement Bates, b. 1595 England and Anna________ 3. Caleb Bates b. March 30, 1666 (like my birthday :-) ) d. Aug 15 1747 Hingham MA m. April 14, 1691 Mary Lane Sept 29m 1671 - Dec 11, 1715, dau of John Lane, son of William Lane. 4. Ruth Bates b. 1702 m.Joseph Mansfield Dec 15, 1727 b. Aug 12, 1693 d. Dec 1756 Regards, Jean - ----------------------------------------------------------------- 3. On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:12:14 EST Repuls@aol.com writes: > have been watching with interest the recent letters with info about >John >Bate b-25 Oct.,1415 in Lydd, England. I follow down the line pretty >much >agreeing with your information. My branch leaves yours with the family >of >Clement and Ann. My line descends from their son, Joseph who was born >in >Lydd, England and came to America with his family on the ship >"Elizabeth" in >1635. This is what I know about my line. Is there anyone out there >with the >same ancestory ? > >*Joseph Bates b. 1630 - d. 30 April, 1706 - m. Esther Hilliard >b._____ d. >03 June 1709 > Children > Joseph Bates B 29 Sept, 1660 > Esther Bates B. 29 Aug., 1663 m- Richard Cobb > Caleb Bates B.30 March, 1666 m- Ruth > Hannah Bates B.31 Oct. 1668 > *Joshua Bates B.14 Aug. 1671 > Bathseba Bates B.26 Jan. 1674 > Clement Bates B.20 Sept. 1676 > Eleanor Bates B.29 Aug. 1679 > Abigail Bates B. 16 Oct., 1680 > >Joshua Bates B. 14 Aug., 1671 in Hingham, MA d._______ -m- Rachael >Tower >b.16 March 1674/75 > Rachael Bates b. 1695 in Hingham > Joshua Bates b. 16 June 1698 in Hingham > Bathsheba Bates b. 1700 in Hingham > Elizabeth Bates b. 1703 in Hingham > *Solomon Bates b 13 April 1706 in Hingham > Isaac Bates b. 1708 in Hingham > Jacob Bates b. 1710 in Hingham > >Solomon Bates b. 13 April 1706 d. 1779 -m- Deborah >Whiton > -m- 14 Dec. 1732 Deborah Studley of > > Scituate > > Benjamin Bates b. 9 Aug., 1733 in Hingham -m- 8 Dec. >1757 >Huldah Cudworth > Abner Bates b. 29 May, 1735 in Hingham -m- Elizabeth > Deborah Bates b. 28 Oct., 1737 in Hingham -m- 15 May, >1757 John >Ewell Jr. > *Nehamiah Bates b. 19 June 1740 in Hingham d.20 May,1817 -m-5 >Dec., >1761 Mehitable Marble > Solomon Bates baptized 15 Aug., 1742 in Hingham > James Bates b. 19 May 1743 in Hingham -m- Abigail > Desire, baptized Lucy, 27 June, 1747 in Hingham > >Nehemiah Bates baptized 15 Aug., 1742 -m-5 Dec., 1761 >Mehitable >Marble > Joab Bates b., 11 May in Scituate - m- 26 Aug., 1786 >Azuba >Amidon > Nehemiah Bates b. 28 Jan. 1764 > Nathaniel Bates b. 28 Jan 1766 d. 1787 > Ephriam Bates b. 14 Dec., 1767 > Asa Bates b. 3 Dec., 1769 in Hingham d.19 April, 1840 -m- >Jemima >Kingman > Levi Bates b. 9 Sept., 1771 in Chesterfield -m- Lovina >Hersey > Eliab Bates b. 24 May, 1775 > Mehitable Bates b. 24 March, 1777 -m- Jonathan Luce > Gershom Bates b. 1 Oct ., 1778 -m- Patty Parker > *Solomon Bates b. 26 Nov., 1780 in Chesterfield -m- Abigail >Willcutt > Ruth Bates b.9 May, 1785 died in infancy > >Solomon Bates b 26 Nov., 1780 d.19 June 1843 -m- 16 April, >1802 >Abigail Willcutt > b.est. 1783 d. 19 Nov. 1878 > > Hudson Bates > Myrenda Bates > *Lucinda Bates -m- George Justus Sheldon > Lilly Bates > Rohada Bates > Lecta Bates > Hiram Bates > Hortentia Bates > > > > >============================== >The RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >12.8 million individuals and counting. >http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/ > ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

To Loren, Wilma, David, Sandra and all the others interested in the Scituate Bates.' Emmitt Lowell Bates was my gggrandfather. I have his father as John E, and before him, Reuben, John and Samuel. Now.....for my puzzle. My aunt, now deceased, spent most of her life as a professor of English and English lit. Her hobby, which became full-time after she retired, was genealogy. She wrote in a letter to my mother that "we are all from James, brother of Clement, who came to Boston on the "Elizabeth" in 1635. " She also mentions a Gurley Basil Bates of Pasadena, CA who had been writing to her of the Bates. I have not been able to make the connection between Samuel (who I have as being born in 1682 in Bristol, RI) and the James, from whom I am also supposedly descended. Would James have been Samuel's grandfather, perhaps? I sort of figured that James was too old to be considered Samuel's father, but in reality, I suppose he might not have been after all. (However, in making these calculations, I have been assuming that James came with Clement; which I shouldn't do....assume, I mean! Also, in telling about Clement's passage, she may just have done that as some form of reference; perhaps not knowing details of James' immigration? Anyway, if anyone can help solve my puzzle or shed ANY light on the situation, I'll more than welcome your contributions! Thanks, Beverly ----- Original Message ----- From: "Loren Hoboy" <lorenhoboy@pobox.com> To: <BATES-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2000 1:56 AM Subject: [BATES-L] Wilma North- Descendants of John Bate > I read with interest your BATES reply below. While some of my information > appears the same I find we also have different information. For instance > you noted that Henry BATES (died 1478)and wife Agnes had only daughters. I > show only Thomas and James as children. Could you send me your BATES tree > in GED or FTM? If you would like mine please advise. > > The line I have goes to John Bates b. 1797 Scituate RI married to Hannah > Smith in 1823 then sons Emmett Lowell BATES and Harvey J BATES born 1829 > Boonville IN married to Margaret Bennett in 1850 Warrick Co IN and earlier > to Elizabeth Hubbard. > > I may be able to answer some of Sandra's questions on Scituate RI Bates. > Please forward this to her. > > Loren Hoboy > ||lorenhoboy@pobox.com||. > -----Original Message----- > From: Wilma T. North [mailto:billieno@viptx.net] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:27 PM > To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BATES-L] Descendants of John Bate > > > Dear Sandra, I am so excited by your long letter and have to tell you that > what I wrote to David has just bloomed into a tremendous response from so > many Bateses who are in the Clement line. First, I have printed a Bates > tree for my children and sent them for Christmas. However, my tree was made > written by hand by a Cyrus H. Bates of Cohasset, who got wills made in > England by Col. Theodore Cornelius Bates of Worchester, MA . Cyrus, who > died in 1926 took the wills and made the tree. However, his own family > didn't intermarry with the Bates until about 1700's. If I am repeating, > forgive, but I wanted you know how authentic the history is back to 1415. > Now Theodore Cornelius Bates gave Cyrus his copy of the wills. Cyrus was > not really that interested in these old data, but he had our Sir Thomas on > the edge of his tree which was on microfilm, and I had to move it over to > the > left from the crack and put our line on the right side of the tree. > > Some comments: > > I do not know where you got your information, but I have never seen > Margaret, > Sir Thomas' wife, with the maiden name England, unless you were just > identifying her. > > The sons of Sir Thomas and Margaret are John and William. Evidently > William either died or had no issue. No record there. Sir Thomas had two > sons and John Bate is our ancestor. Will proved in 1522. > > John's sons were Andrew, died 1532, and Thomas, died 1530. There is too > much > to look up, but this is the basic tree. > > The Agnes you mentioned was the wife of Henry, died 1478, and they had only > daughters. > > On my tree and in the wills Henry left his heirs to his relatives, and I > won't go into that. Andrew's wife's name is not on the tree, but I will tr y > to look it up on the wills. If Andrew died in 1532-33, his wife could not > have died in 1522. > > Andrew's children were *John, Thomas, William, Simon, Joan, and > Katherine.You were mostly right. > > *John's children were *James, married to Mary Martine (I don't thnk there is > an "e" on the end) but will leave it for now. Other children were Thomas, > Andrew, and Mary. These children were by his first wife, Mildred Ward. You > are exactly right. > > *Clement and Ann Dalrymple and his family got to Hingham with their > children, > but Benjamin was born in Hingham. > > *James was married to Ruth Lyford. You are right. I won't go over the > children. But that is where my line diverges from yours. > > I have nothing on John Bates of Scituate, and from there on it is all yours. > And I think you have done a wonderful job of completing your line. > > I have had so many responses to the letter to David, including some with > Solomon and Benjamin, but this is all I can do now. I'll try to send you > the > > e-mail from these other people who wrote to me. You did not tell me the > name > of your grandfather or father. It might be good for me to have. My > grandfather, Dr. Smith L. Bates, was born in 1850 in Indiana and moved to > settle in Adrian, Mo. where he practiced as a horse and buggy doctor for > years. I was born in Butler, Mo. 60 miles south of Kansas City, where we > moved when I was 7 years old. My mother was Wilma Estella Bates Thiele and > married my father, Dr. George H. Thiele, born in Kansas. > Sandra G Ellenburg wrote: > > > David, Kozmo & Billie, > > I'm just now getting back to comparing all your information, I too have > > the same lineage through Clement & Mary Martin[e]. I would love to > > exchange info with you. > > Billie, you mentioned having the Bate line back to 1248 with Sir Gerard > > Bate of London, is this Bate connected to this line of Bate[s]? I would > > love that information. I, too live in Texas, northwest of Austin. > > Would love to hear from you. > > Sandra Bates Ellenburg > > > > MY BATES LINE > > Thomas Bate > > *Thomas was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1410. *Thomas died 1485 England, > > He married *Margaret England. > > Children: > > William Bate. > > *John Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > > Agnes Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > > Alice Bate in Lydd, Kent, England. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOHN BATE > > *John died September 17, 1522 in Lydd, Kent, England. > > RECORD NOTE: John's wife died before July 31, 1522. No record of wife's > > name or marriage. > > Children: > > Thomas Bate. > > *Andrew Bate Lydd, England, 1500. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > ANDREW BATE > > *Andrew was born Lydd, England 1500. *Andrew died February 22, 1532 or > > 1533 in Lydd, Kent, England. > > RECORD NOTE: Andrews wife died between 31 Jul 1522 & 22 Feb 1532/33. No > > record of wife's name or date of marriage. > > Children: > > Joan Bate. > > Katerine Bate. > > Simon Bate. > > William Bate. > > *John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, 1521. > > Thomas Bate 1522. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOHN BATES > > *John was born in Lydd, Kent, England 1521. *John died February,1580 in > > Lydd, Kent, England, at 58 years of age. > > EVENT TEXT: Other dates of death found are- March 1, 1579 and June 1, > > 1577. > > He married Mary Bennett. > > He married *Mildred Ward Lydd Parish, Lydd, England, October 18, 1546. > > Children of John and Mildred: > > Mary Bates. > > Andrew Bates. > > Thomas Bates. > > *James John Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, December 2, 1562. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JAMES JOHN BATES > > *James was born in Lydd, Kent, England December 2, 1562. > > He married *Mary Martine Lydd, Lydd Parish, Kent, England, June 6, 1580. > > *James died March 2, 1613 in Lydd, Kent, England, at 50 years of age. > > Children: > > Edward Bates. > > Robert Bates. > > Anna Bates. > > John Bates. > > Thomas Bates. > > James Bates. > > Anna Bates. > > Joseph Bates. > > Mary Bates. > > Isaac Bates. > > Martha Bates. > > Rachel Bates. > > *Clement Bates in Lydd, Kent, England, January 22, 1594. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > CLEMENT BATES > > *Clement was born in Lydd, Kent, England January 22, 1594. > > He married *Ann Dalrymple England, 1620. > > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Clement and Ann came to America on the ship > > "ELIZABETH" with his brother James, April 16, 1635. > > *Clement died September 9, 1671 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 77 > > years of age. > > Children: > > Son Bates. > > Joseph Bates. > > Rachel Bates. > > Benjamin Bates. > > *James Bates Biddenden, England, about 1621. > > Clement Bates 1623. > > John Bates October 18, 1624. > > Samuel Bates March 24, 1638-39. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JAMES BATES > > *James was born Biddenden, England about 1621. > > He married *Ruth Lyford Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, April 19, 1643 > > *James died July 5, 1689 Hingham, Plymouth, Massachuetts, at 68 years of > > age. > > Children: > > Hopestill Bates. > > John Bates. > > Clement Bates. > > Ruth Bates. > > Joseph Bates. > > *John Bates Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts, October 7, 1649. > > Benjamin Bates July 15, 1655. > > Soloman Bates August 23, 1657. > > Rachel Bates September 6, 1659. > > James Bates April 15, 1662. > > Child Bates September 21, 1663. > > Margaret Bates July 17, 1664. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOHN BATES > > *John was born Scituate, Plymouth, Massachuetts October 7, 1649. > > *John died January 15, 1718 in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, at > > 68 years of age. > > EVENT TEXT: John may have died in 1719. > > He married *Elizabeth Beckwith in New London, Connecticut, about 1677. > > Children: > > Sarah Bates. > > Elizabeth Bates. > > Ruth Bates in New London, Connecticut. > > Jonathan Bates in New London, Connecticut. > > Martha Bates in New London, Connecticut. > > John Bates June 8, 1678. > > *Soloman Bates February 8, 1679-1680. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > SOLOMAN BATES > > *Soloman was born February 8, 1679-1680. > > He married *?. > > Children: > > Rachel Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, 1704. > > Soloman Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, September 21, > > 1705. > > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, March 9, > > 1708-1709. > > David Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, February 6, > > 1712-1713. > > Elizabeth Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, April 6, 1714 > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOSEPH BATES > > *Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut March 9, > > 1708-1709. > > RESEARCH NOTE: Found in East Haddam, Connecticut Vital Records a Joseph > > Bate and Elizabeth that married May 12, 1727. Don't know if this could be > > the same Joseph. > > He married *Penellope Parker in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > > March 9, 1736-37. > > Children: > > Elihu Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, November 19, 1737. > > > > *Joseph Bates in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut, April 19, 1743. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > JOSEPH BATES > > Joseph was born in Haddam, Middlesex, Connecticut April 19, 1743. > > He married *Ruth Lewis. > > BIOGRAPHICAL TEXT: Joseph and Ruth lived in Haddam, Connecticut. > > *Joseph died 1777 at 34 years of age. > > EVENT TEXT: Joseph was killed in the Battle of Saratoga, in the > > Revolutionary War. > > Children: > > *Benjamin Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 30, > > 1765. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------------------------------------- > > BENJAMIN BATES > > *Benjamin was born in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut January 30, > > 1765. > > *Benjamin died in Leyden, Lewis County, New York. > > EVENT TEXT: Joseph died at his daughter Julia's home in Leyden, New York. > > He married *Rhoda Scovill in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, > > October 21, 1790. > > Children: > > Elon Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, May 10, 1795. > > Nancy Belinda Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, July 28, > > 1797. > > Roxana Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 8, 1799. > > Rhoda Eliza Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, January 17, > > 1802. > > Daughter Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, 1805. > > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Benjamin. > > *Benjamin Lewis Bates in Haddam, Middlesex County, Connecticut, June 27, > > 1805. > > EVENT TEXT: Twin to Daughter Bates who died as a child. > > Julia Anne Bates in Feeding Hills, Massachuetts, September 29, 1813. > > > > BENJAMIN L. BATES > > m.-Mary? > > Children: Birney b.-1847-48 NY, William Wells b.-1850 NY, Florence b.- > > after 1850 possibly KY > > William was my g-grandfather. > > ________________________________________________________________ > > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > > ============================== > > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ > > ______________________________

I can match you down through Solomon Bates (the first Solomon, son of Joshua and Rachel (Tower). Solomon's son James, b. 1743, is my ancestor, and I am trying to find out what happened to him after he "removed to Chesterfield," also when his son Benjamin left Chesterfield and where Benjamin's daughter Emily was born, in 1797: in Chesterfield, or westward, perhaps Pompey, NY, or en route there?? The book which Liz kindly offered, about Chesterfield, names James's children but stops there. Perhaps we've correspnded before on this ?? Thanks, Jane

have been watching with interest the recent letters with info about John Bate b-25 Oct.,1415 in Lydd, England. I follow down the line pretty much agreeing with your information. My branch leaves yours with the family of Clement and Ann. My line descends from their son, Joseph who was born in Lydd, England and came to America with his family on the ship "Elizabeth" in 1635. This is what I know about my line. Is there anyone out there with the same ancestory ? *Joseph Bates b. 1630 - d. 30 April, 1706 - m. Esther Hilliard b._____ d. 03 June 1709 Children Joseph Bates B 29 Sept, 1660 Esther Bates B. 29 Aug., 1663 m- Richard Cobb Caleb Bates B.30 March, 1666 m- Ruth Hannah Bates B.31 Oct. 1668 *Joshua Bates B.14 Aug. 1671 Bathseba Bates B.26 Jan. 1674 Clement Bates B.20 Sept. 1676 Eleanor Bates B.29 Aug. 1679 Abigail Bates B. 16 Oct., 1680 Joshua Bates B. 14 Aug., 1671 in Hingham, MA d._______ -m- Rachael Tower b.16 March 1674/75 Rachael Bates b. 1695 in Hingham Joshua Bates b. 16 June 1698 in Hingham Bathsheba Bates b. 1700 in Hingham Elizabeth Bates b. 1703 in Hingham *Solomon Bates b 13 April 1706 in Hingham Isaac Bates b. 1708 in Hingham Jacob Bates b. 1710 in Hingham Solomon Bates b. 13 April 1706 d. 1779 -m- Deborah Whiton -m- 14 Dec. 1732 Deborah Studley of Scituate Benjamin Bates b. 9 Aug., 1733 in Hingham -m- 8 Dec. 1757 Huldah Cudworth Abner Bates b. 29 May, 1735 in Hingham -m- Elizabeth Deborah Bates b. 28 Oct., 1737 in Hingham -m- 15 May, 1757 John Ewell Jr. *Nehamiah Bates b. 19 June 1740 in Hingham d.20 May,1817 -m-5 Dec., 1761 Mehitable Marble Solomon Bates baptized 15 Aug., 1742 in Hingham James Bates b. 19 May 1743 in Hingham -m- Abigail Desire, baptized Lucy, 27 June, 1747 in Hingham Nehemiah Bates baptized 15 Aug., 1742 -m-5 Dec., 1761 Mehitable Marble Joab Bates b., 11 May in Scituate - m- 26 Aug., 1786 Azuba Amidon Nehemiah Bates b. 28 Jan. 1764 Nathaniel Bates b. 28 Jan 1766 d. 1787 Ephriam Bates b. 14 Dec., 1767 Asa Bates b. 3 Dec., 1769 in Hingham d.19 April, 1840 -m- Jemima Kingman Levi Bates b. 9 Sept., 1771 in Chesterfield -m- Lovina Hersey Eliab Bates b. 24 May, 1775 Mehitable Bates b. 24 March, 1777 -m- Jonathan Luce Gershom Bates b. 1 Oct ., 1778 -m- Patty Parker *Solomon Bates b. 26 Nov., 1780 in Chesterfield -m- Abigail Willcutt Ruth Bates b.9 May, 1785 died in infancy Solomon Bates b 26 Nov., 1780 d.19 June 1843 -m- 16 April, 1802 Abigail Willcutt b.est. 1783 d. 19 Nov. 1878 Hudson Bates Myrenda Bates *Lucinda Bates -m- George Justus Sheldon Lilly Bates Rohada Bates Lecta Bates Hiram Bates Hortentia Bates