Hi List, I'm still wandering around trying to deterimine which Isaac is the correct father for Winifred Bates who married Thomas Warren about 1812 & lived in Rutherford Co. TN. My choices are narrowed down to: #1 being the Isaac who was born about 1735 in Albermarle VA & died in Franklin County, VA. This Isaac's ancestry is Isaac, John, George, John, John, all in VA. (Very well-documented family, copies of the wills available, House of Burgess & all that.) #2 being the Isaac Bates born about 1750 in Pittsylvania County, VA, applied for his Revolutionary War Pension in Buncombe County, NC (Rev War Pension S328, Colonel Armstrong's Regiment), moved to Smith County, TN & continued receiving his pension there & died there. Wayne was kind enough to correspond with me & to send me a back issue of The Bates Booster, which has an article pointing to Isaac #2 as the father, the basis being a letter written by Arthur Perkins (my late cousin) of Moapa, NV. Arthur was a certified genealogist & I would normally be perfectly satisfied using him as my source, however, the family members who inherited most of Arthurs documents & copies of all his genealogy records, are now showing Isaac #1 as Winifred's father. This makes me wonder if somewhere along the way, Arthur found something else that made him change his mind. I can't find any family member who ever listed Isaac #2 as Winifred's father. Anyway, I have written Arthur's son to try & find the actual document that seems to be at the root of all this. In the meantime, I'm wondering if anyone has documentation that will help prove this one way or the other. I wandered around the BFOOV website but couldn't find anyone who had posted anything on Isaac #2. Any help would be MOST appreciated, Kathy

Hi List, Forwarding a query I got from my home page ... reply to Caprice Smith at the below email. I've recommended the Bates Homepage at http://www.halcyondays.com/bates.htm to them already: >I am researching the family of Eliza Jane Bates, my gggrandmother who >was married in Wilkinson Co., MS 18 Apr 1852, the daughter of John Bates >and Elizabeth Robertson, born in S.C. If you have any info on these >people, please e-mail me at BELLBREHMNANCY@AOL.COM Thanks! Lori Our Mixed Nuts .. err .. Roots http://www.redrival.com/alana Descendant of the JS Bates Family Lineage

Hi List :) Finally got around to joining the Bates e-list and I know I'll feel right at home, just as Wayne Bates has made me feel. I'm a new member of the Bates Booster Club and just tickled that I've been provided so much information regard the JS branch of this wonderful family. I'm still seeking information about my great-great grandfather, George Washington Bates. Below is the genealogy report that I've been able to produce thus far: GEORGE WASHINGTON BATES (MOSES DUNCAN, JAMES M., REUBEN, JAMES) was born February 22, 1835. He married SARAH SAFRONI MANLY YARBOROUGH October 26, 1864 in Sumter County, Alabama. She was born 1841 in Alabama. Children of GEORGE BATES and SARAH YARBOROUGH are: i. MARTHA PAULINE BATES, b. February 06, 1868; d. Unknown. ii. FLOYD MONROE BATES, b. 1871; d. Unknown. iii. JAMES MARTIN BATES, b. 1874; d. Unknown. iv. GEORGE EPES BATES, b. 1876; d. Unknown. v. JOSEPH BATES vi. SARAH ESTELLE BATES, b. November 18, 1875, Montgomery, Montgomery Co., Alabama; d. March 26, 1962 vii. BLANCHE BATES, b. 1876; d. Unknown. The above Sarah Estelle Bates was my great-great grandmother. I know next to nothing about the rest of George and Sarah's children and am hoping to share information with any descendents. I am also looking for the death dates of George and Sarah and if an obituary for either is in existance. Many thanks! Lori Our Mixed Nuts .. err .. Roots http://www.redrival.com/alana

Hello, Thank you for welcoming me to the Bates site. I am looking for any relation of my husband's grandfather, whom he was named for. John Winslow Bates was born on 7-29-1905, in Lansing, Mi. He and his wife, Marcella, who was born in New York State, worked at Ford, in Detroit, until they retired. She still lives in central Michigan, but he died at 85, on 12-15-90. We also learned, from Grandpa, that HIS Grandma Bates was the daughter of a Cherokee chief. We were unable to learn her name. We also have been told that, even though Jackson and Lansig, Mi., are very near each other, no one named Bates could have been born there and related to my John's Grandpa John. Siubmitted by Polli Bates on 4-15-00.

<A HREF="http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage">Click here: Marriage Search</A> http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage I would be willing to make a webpage of searchable vital records only.. for the US.. or anywhere.. IF everyone wants to submit one they know also... or find. Grand Traverse County MI has their marriages and deaths online: http://hometown.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html <A HREF="http://hometown.aol.com/fiddlerben/gtindex.html">Grand Traverse County Home Page</A> The marriage and death links are near the bottom .. Indexed under Vitals.. I do not recall the direct link. Thanks .. and I will start with these two.. do a search for more..in the hopes that everyone will help with this. ;') GREAT DAY here in MI... sun is shining; gentle breeze blowing; birds asingin'; and 68deg Thanks everyone~ and YOU have a good day! Brenda K. Wolfgram Moore kingsley@aol.com

I am new to this list and looking for information on my husband's ggg grandmother, Nancy Bates. She was born about 1780 in North Carolina, married Thomas Philpot in 1792 and she died in Clay Co. KY ca. 1865. Does anyone have information about Nancy's parents and/or siblings? Thank you very much. Kay Philpot KPhilpot@netzero.net

Hello list...I sent the following to the list a few days ago... < I'm new to the list & looking for information on the family of Winifred Bates b. abt 1791 of Buncombe Co NC, m. Thomas Warren also of NC & moved to TN. They were living there when Thomas supposedly was killed in War of 1812. Winifred is possibly the daughter of Isaac Bates & wife Isabell both of VA, Isaac being the son of Isaac Bates of VA, he the son of John Bates of Burton Parish, York, VA, he the son of George Bates, he the son of John Bates, he the son of John Bates & Martha Mallory." ...since then I've been guided in another direction, that being that the Isaac who is supposedly Winifred's father is the Rev War Isaac who applied for his pension in Buncombe County, NC. Is anyone working on this line & if so do you show a Winifred in his family? Thanks, Kathy

Hi all, I'm new to the list & looking for information on the family of Winifred Bates b. abt 1791 of Buncombe Co NC, m. Thomas Warren also of NC & moved to TN. Was living there when Thomas supposedly was killed in War of 1812. Winifred is possibly the daughter of Isaac Bates & wife Isabell both of VA, Isaac being the son of Isaac Bates of VA, son of John Bates of Burton Parish, York, VA, son of George Bates, son of John Bates, son of John Bates & Martha Mallory. It's all very sketchy but the Bates' are all supposed to be from Virginia. Any help would be appreciated. Kathy

REUNION REMINDER - BATES FAMILY OF OLD VA ONLY 2-1/2 MONTHS AWAY 1. WHEN - 16th (Friday evening) and 17th (Saturday) June 2000 2. WHERE - Holiday Inn, Charlottesville, VA 3. LOCATION - Jct. I-64 & 5th St. (Exit 120) Holiday Inn (Monticello) 4. RESERVATION - Phone Toll Free 1-800-977-9991 (mention Bates Family) 5. FREE LUNCHEON - who said there was no such thing as a FREE LUNCH? 6. SPEAKER - from Abemarle County Historical Society 7. SHOW & TELL - bring your charts & memorabilia for "Show & Tell" while browsing through books on display from The Bates Lending Library. 8. WHAT TO DO & SEE - for attractions in Charlottesville, see listing on page 4 of Bates Booster Newsletter No. 167, dated February 2000. REMINDER - YEAR 2000 DUES ARE DUE On your February 2000 Bates Booster, check your address label for "PAID-UP DATE." You may already be paid-up for Calendar Year 2000. If not, please make $5.00 check to "Bates Family of Old VA," and mail to our Treasurer: Dues for new member is $10. for first year. CLAUDE M. LEAKE, Jr., 326 ISLE AVENUE, WAYNESBORO, VA 22980 FUTURE ATTRACTIONS PAST EDITIONS (ALL 167) OF BATES BOOSTER ON WEB SITE Our Editor and Computer Technician is constructing a new Bates web site, which will be restricted to our Bates membership. Access will be by password provided by our editor. As one feature, the new Bates webs site will contain all 167 past editions of the Bates Booster newsletters for your immediate perusal. Wayne Witt Bates Corresponding Secretary The Bates Family of Old Virginia http://www.halcyondays.com/bates.htm

Just passing this along in case it might be helpful. -- Endy Old Occupations Accomptant Accountant Almoner Giver of charity to the needy Amanuensis Secretary or stenographer Artificer A soldier mechanic who does repairs Bailie Bailiff Baxter Baker Bluestocking Female writer Boniface Keeper of an inn Brazier One who works with brass Brewster Beer manufacturer Brightsmith Metal Worker Burgonmaster Mayor Caulker One who filled up cracks (in ships or windows or seems to make them watertight by using tar or oakum-hem fiber produced by taking old ropes apart Chaisemaker Carriage maker Chandler Dealer or trader; one who makes or sells candles; retailer of groceries, ship supplier Chiffonnier Wig maker Clark Clerk Clerk Clergyman, cleric Clicker The servant of a salesman who stood at the door to invite customers; one who received the matter in the galley from the compositors and arranged it in due form ready for printing; one who makes eyelet holes in boots using a machine which clicked. Cohen Priest Collier Coal miner Colporteur Peddler of books Cooper One who makes or repairs vessels made of staves & hoops, such as casks, barrels, tubs, etc. Cordwainer Shoemaker, originally any leather worker using leather from Cordova/Cordoba in Spain Costermonger Peddler of fruits and vegetables Crocker Potter Crowner Coroner Currier One who dresses the coat of a horse with a currycomb; one who tanned leather by incorporating oil or grease Docker Stevedore, dock worker who loads and unloads cargo Dowser One who finds water using a rod or witching stick Draper A dealer in dry goods Drayman One who drives a long strong cart without fixed sides for carrying heavy loads Dresser A surgeon's assistant in a hospital Drover One who drives cattle, sheep, etc. to market; a dealer in cattle Duffer Peddler Factor Agent, commission merchant; one who acts or transacts business for another; Scottish steward or bailiff of an estate Farrier A blacksmith, one who shoes horses Faulkner Falconer Fell monger One who removes hair or wool from hides in preparation for leather making Fletcher One who made bows and arrows Fuller One who fulls cloth; one who shrinks and thickens woolen cloth by moistening, heating, and pressing; one who cleans and finishes cloth Gaoler A keeper of the goal, a jailer Glazier Window glassman Hacker Maker of hoes Hatcheler One who combed out or carded flax Haymonger Dealer in hay Hayward Keeper of fences Higgler Itinerant peddler Hillier Roof tiler Hind A farm laborer Holster A groom who took care of horses, often at an inn Hooker Reaper Hooper One who made hoops for casks and barrels Huckster Sells small wares Husbandman A farmer who cultivated the land Jagger Fish peddler Journeyman One who had served his apprenticeship and mastered his craft, not bound to serve a master, but hired by the day Joyner / Joiner A skilled carpenter Keeler Bargeman Kempster Wool comber Lardner Keeper of the cupboard Lavender Washer woman Lederer Leather maker Leech Physician Longshoreman Stevedore Lormer Maker of horse gear Malender Farmer Maltster Brewer Manciple A steward Mason Bricklayer Mintmaster One who issued local currency Monger Seller of goods (ale, fish) Muleskinner Teamster Neatherder Herds cows Ordinary Keeper Innkeeper with fixed prices Pattern Maker A maker of a clog shod with an iron ring. A clog was a wooden pole with a pattern cut into the end Peregrinator Itinerant wanderer Peruker A wig maker Pettifogger A shyster lawyer Pigman Crockery dealer Plumber One who applied sheet lead for roofing and set lead frames for plain or stained glass windows. Porter Door keeper Puddler Wrought iron worker Quarrier Quarry worker Rigger Hoist tackle worker Ripper Seller of fish Roper Maker of rope or nets Saddler One who makes, repairs or sells saddles or other furnishings for horses Sawbones Physician Sawyer One who saws; carpenter Schumacker Shoemaker Scribler A minor or worthless author Scrivener Professional or public copyist or writer; notary public Scrutiner Election judge Shrieve Sheriff Slater Roofer Slopseller Seller of ready-made clothes in a slop shop Snobscat / Snob One who repaired shoes Sorter Tailor Spinster A woman who spins or an unmarried woman Spurrer Maker of spurs Squire Country gentleman; farm owner; justice of peace Stuff gown Junior barrister Stuff gownsman Junior barrister Supercargo Officer on merchant ship who is in charge of cargo and the commercial concerns of the ship. Tanner One who tans (cures) animal hides into leather Tapley One who puts the tap in an ale cask Tasker Reaper Teamster One who drives a team for hauling Thatcher Roofer Tide waiter Customs inspector Tinker An itinerant tin pot and pan seller and repairman Tipstaff Policeman Travers Toll bridge collection Tucker Cleaner of cloth goods Turner A person who turns wood on a lathe into spindles Victualer A tavern keeper, or one who provides an army, navy, or ship with food Vulcan Blacksmith Wagoner Teamster not for hire Wainwright Wagon maker Waiter Customs officer or tide waiter; one who waited on the tide to collect duty on goods brought in. Waterman Boatman who plies for hire Webster Operator of looms Wharfinger Owner of a wharf Wheelwright One who made or repaired wheels; wheeled carriages, etc. Whitesmith Tinsmith; worker of iron who finishes or polishes the work Whitewing Street sweeper Whitster Bleach of cloth Wright Workman, especially a construction worker Yeoman Farmer who owns his own land compiled by Dan Burrows "I put these 130 items together from many sources and used it as a handout for our local Orange County (NY) Genealogical Society. I was asked by many recipients if the CHART could be forwarded to other lists or used in local newsletters. The answer is yes -- please share this information." Dan Burrows - dburrows1@juno.com

> Hi, I am new to the Bates List and have been lurking around checking messages. > I am looking for info on the parents of Maria Bates Woodard of Romeo, Macomb Co. MI. She was married to Willard Woodard. I believe Maria had a brother, Conley M. Bates, born 1810 NY and died May 1891, Washington, Macomb Co. MI. Wife Irenia Galpin Bates, born 1810 Canada, died 1897, Washington, MI. He owned a Hotel in Macomb Co. in 1850, and his mother was possibly Mary Bates, born VT.1781. She appeared with him on 1850 Census. > I have no proof that Conley and Maria were siblings, info just points in that direction. > Any help appreciated > Nita Pearce > > > ============================== > Search ALL of RootsWeb's mailing lists in real time. > RootsWeb's Personalized Mailing Lists: > http://pml.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi Bates researchers, I am looking for anyone with information about Charles Sims Bates. I went to 5th, 6th and part of 7th grades at College View school on College St. in Denver, CO with Charles Bates. He lived on Federal Blvd. there. That was about 1945-46. He would have been born around 1934-35. We were in the Highlander Boys together. I would like to talk to him again as we were good friends. If you have any knowledge of a Charles S. Bates, please let know. Thanks Don L. Fox DonFox@cybertrails.com

Don't know if this is one of our BAtes and don't really care /just wanted to know if you were going to send for the records on JJHolland? can't remember. Seems like I saw something that you can order on line now for the TN. pension records...Since he was in Mo would he file there or TN where he joined??? Since this BATES was from Cherokee co and also joined the Union might be one of the Bates....did you decide that my Richard was also in the TN army???Can't remember that either. Been too busy with other stuff ....If you can order on line and if we would get them from Tn..might order...Let me know. BATES-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > BATES-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 33 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [BATES-L] Civil War DANIEL BATES o ["Jessie Blalock" <blalock@netstorm] > #2 [BATES-L] help ["Nita Pearce" <nnpear2@rmi.net>] > > Administrivia: > To unsubscribe from BATES-D, send a message to > > BATES-D-request@rootsweb.com > > that contains in the body of the message the command > > unsubscribe > > and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software > requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [BATES-L] Civil War DANIEL BATES of Cherokee Co., GA > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 11:37:20 -0500 > From: "Jessie Blalock" <blalock@netstorm.net> > To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello. I am researching the Civil War regiment 4th Tennessee > Cavalry (Union), and in Co K of that regiment there was a soldier > named DANIEL BATES. He was b abt 1835 at Cherokee Co., > Georgia, and enlisted April 22, 1864 at Nashville, TN. At that time > he was described as follows: age 28, 5' 4" tall, dark complexion, > dark eyes, dark hair, a cabinetmaker by profession. He was > promoted May 1, 1864 to Sergeant. He survived the war, and in > July 1888 applied for a veteran's pension. This was apparently not > granted, but there was a minor dependant's pension granted later > on. > > Would appreciate any information about this soldier, and his family. > I will be obtaining copies of the pension application documents > from the National Archives, and I will be including the information > contained therein in a book which I am writing about the soldiers of > Co K, in which my great-great-grandfather Thomas F. Blalock also > served. > > Thanks > Jessie Blalock > > http://users.rootsweb.com/~tn4cav/index.html > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [BATES-L] help > Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 20:51:56 -0700 > From: "Nita Pearce" <nnpear2@rmi.net> > To: BATES-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi, I am new to the Bates List and have been lurking around checking messages. > I am looking for info on the parents of Maria Bates Woodard of Romeo, Macomb Co. MI. She was married to Willard Woodard. I believe Maria had a brother, Conley M. Bates, born 1810 NY and died May 1891, Washington, Macomb Co. MI. Wife Irenia Galpin Bates, born 1810 Canada, died 1897, Washington, MI. He owned a Hotel in Macomb Co. in 1850, and his mother was possibly Mary Bates, born VT.1781. She appeared with him on 1850 Census. > I have no proof that Conley and Maria were siblings, info just points in that direction. > Any help appreciated > Nita Pearce

Hi, I am new to the Bates List and have been lurking around checking messages. I am looking for info on the parents of Maria Bates Woodard of Romeo, Macomb Co. MI. She was married to Willard Woodard. I believe Maria had a brother, Conley M. Bates, born 1810 NY and died May 1891, Washington, Macomb Co. MI. Wife Irenia Galpin Bates, born 1810 Canada, died 1897, Washington, MI. He owned a Hotel in Macomb Co. in 1850, and his mother was possibly Mary Bates, born VT.1781. She appeared with him on 1850 Census. I have no proof that Conley and Maria were siblings, info just points in that direction. Any help appreciated Nita Pearce

Hello. I am researching the Civil War regiment 4th Tennessee Cavalry (Union), and in Co K of that regiment there was a soldier named DANIEL BATES. He was b abt 1835 at Cherokee Co., Georgia, and enlisted April 22, 1864 at Nashville, TN. At that time he was described as follows: age 28, 5' 4" tall, dark complexion, dark eyes, dark hair, a cabinetmaker by profession. He was promoted May 1, 1864 to Sergeant. He survived the war, and in July 1888 applied for a veteran's pension. This was apparently not granted, but there was a minor dependant's pension granted later on. Would appreciate any information about this soldier, and his family. I will be obtaining copies of the pension application documents from the National Archives, and I will be including the information contained therein in a book which I am writing about the soldiers of Co K, in which my great-great-grandfather Thomas F. Blalock also served. Thanks Jessie Blalock http://users.rootsweb.com/~tn4cav/index.html

I am looking for parents any possible siblings of Calvin Bates. Born 2-17-1821. OTSEGO Co. NY. Married Mary H. Harris b, 3-27-1827 CHENANGO Co. NY. Married 2-20-1849 Warren, Ohio. Any info. would be great. W. Bates wbates@clarinda.heartland.net

- Plans Finalized to Dispose of 2000 Census Paperwork In the December 18, 1999 edition of this newsletter, I wrote about U.S. National Archives and records Administration's plan to dispose of non-essential paperwork created while creating the 2000 census. In that article, I wrote: The National Archives and Records Administration has received the records disposition schedules for the records that have been and will be created as a result of the Census 2000. They are contacting many constituent groups, seeking public input. The National Archives also published a notice about the same topic in the Federal Register on Dec. 13, 1999. In short, the Year 2000 census will generate a lot of paperwork. Genealogists will be quite aware of the records produced that list names, addresses and vital demographic material. However, many hundreds of thousands of other documents will be produced, including address lists and map update records, block canvassing, special place and group quarters inventories, local updates to census address lists, new construction lists, updates or revisions to census maps in electronic format, update/leave questionnaires, urban update/leave questionnaires, list enumeration and address registers, updates and revisions to the Master Address File, questionnaires, maps, and address registers created for special enumerations, respondent data collected by telephone assistance and through the Internet response program, operations and control records, electronic images of scanned paper questionnaires, unprocessed electronic source files of information captured from the electronic images, the Decennial Response File, the Census Unedited File, the Census Unedited File Sample, the Census Edited File, the Census Edited File Sample, the Accuracy and Coverage Evaluation (ACE) address lists, ACE telephone interview records, personal interview records and maps, dual system estimates, ACE support and management records, Census 2000 contracts and related records, census pretest records, research, evaluation, and experimental program records, and records created using electronic mail and word processing applications. (Whew!) The U.S. Census Bureau, not the National Archives, conducts the census. However, the National Archives will be storing the records for use by future generations. Their big question is, "Which records are worth keeping?" Storing everything will require more storage warehouses to be built at taxpayer expense. Keeping every scrap of paper is simply not practical. Someone has to make a decision as to what to keep and what to throw away. The National Archives is inviting public comments in order to help in that decision process. Genealogy societies are especially invited to comment. The National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) has now completed the appraisal report and the revisions to Disposition Job No. N1-29-00-02, a comprehensive record schedule that proposes dispositions for 62 series and subseries of Census 2000 records, including the scanned image files of the paper questionnaires and forms. The proposed final report is available online at: http://www.nara.gov/records/schedules/census2.html

Looking for information on James Bates. He lived in Green county, Kentucky from about 1795-1802. Also found in Barren county, Kentucky from about 1801 until about 1816. His daughter Ginney married my ancestor, Robert Stephenson in 1795. Sending in tomorrows mail to join The Bates Family of old Virginia. Thanks, Ed Masters

I am new to the list and would like to find information on Elizabeth Bates. She was born abt. 1845. She married Noah Smith in Georgia. Together they had seven children. Their names were: Lei, Nathan, Janie, Johnny, Luther, Mary, and Queen Luvenia. Queen is my gg grandmother. I have had no luck in finding any info on her parents other than the above. I do know that Noah was a farmer and that most, if not all of the children were born in or around Laurens Co. Georgia. Any help would be most wonderful. Thanks in advance. April@oppcatv.com

I am looking for the Thomas Bates Parents names....I know that Thomas Bates was born in Virginia about 1816 and died in Carroll County, TN in 1897, he is buried in a now unmarked grave in the Grant-Bates cemetery. I also know that his wife's name is Nancy. He first appears in the Carroll County Census in 1850. His children's names that I know are Matthew, Isaac, Emily, James, Jesse, Thomas, Michael, Josephine, & Margaret. Thanks Stacey Bates