The first message posted to the list was accidentally sent before I could finish it, so I resent the whole explanation & statement. However, as we all know, nothing ever works out the way we plan it it, so GUESS WHAT???.......... I haven't seen the very explanatory 2nd list posting come through yet. One more try. (and watch everything show up at once) When I was young, my father would say, our name was spelled B-O-T-T-Z, that's black dutch (german). I assumed from that statement that we were german on daddy't side, too. Through the internet, I joined with several cousins to track our BATES and what we could learn of them. They all agreed our BATES to be English (British, which also included the Irish), and disregarded what I told them of my father's comments. The statement I referred to my original partial post was found in a publication sent to me by one of my new found cousins; something he had apparently overlooked. In "Century Review of Maury Co, Tenn, 1807-1907", D.P. Robbins, states............ Thomas BATES is the son of Jesse & Melinda BATES. Melinda is dau of John BATES. All of VA and of German descent. Jesse BATES is son of William BATES, and grandson of James BATES who married Elizabeth TUBB. We have assumed these BATES' were English. The statement allows the reader to believe that ALL of the people listed are of German descent. Mr. Robbins never went on to explain anything. We can find nothing else on this John BATES prior to this listing. There is also no mention of a wife....just he and daughter, Melinda. It is a strange statement as, for Jesse to be of german descent, his father and grandfather would also have to be the same. Incidentally, William BATES' wife was English and Cherokee, and James BATES' wife, Elizabeth TUBB was English (possibly Welch) descent. So, no German there. It would have to be the BATES line or else D. P. Robbins was way off. Hope this gets through. Between my goofs, the listserves problems and my computer having a mind of it's own, there's no telling what goes out of here. However, anyone else out there with Bates ancestors they think might be German? Marlene Bates Johnson [email protected]

I'll be happy to send you mother a b'day card from the association. But in answer to your question about what do you get your mother etc, I'll tell you that I had a birthday this week (65) and my 3 children and spouses rented a house at the beach for a week for all of us. The best present ever! I was thrilled. We had a wonderful time and got home tonight..MJ

In a message dated 97-06-14 15:52:06 EDT, you write: << Subj: BATES--of German Descent Date: 97-06-14 15:52:06 EDT From: [email protected] Resent-from: [email protected] To: [email protected] BATES -- I have them from England & from Ireland, so far. >> Bates City, Missouri was founded after 1865 by Theodore Bates, a German. In Lower Oklahomas (like San Antonio, TX) there bunch of Bates (various spelling) of German descend.

Sorry, someday I get it right, and stop sending off half finished postings. Anyhooooo. I had written << BATES -- I have them from England & from Ireland, so far. In my search for those elusive BATES ancestors, I ran across an interesting statement, regarding our family. >> In D.P. Robbins' Century Review of Maury Co, Tenn, 1807-1907, he states that our Jesse (Grandson of James Bates who married Elizabeth TUBB) married a Malinda BATES. Malinda is dau of John BATES. All are of VA and of German descent. I do not know that this means the John BATES family is of German descent or all of them are of German descent. Is anyone out there researching these lines, or do you have BATES' of German descent in your lines. If so, was the name always BATES or was it BAATZ, BOTTZ, BOTTS, BETZ, BATZ? We had assumed mainly that our BATES was English/Irish. We have been hung up on James BATES/Elizabeth TUBB for years. Now, there is this little piece of inviting information that has been overlooked for 20 years. Hmmmmm? Anyone? Marlene in OK [email protected]

BATES -- I have them from England & from Ireland, so far. In my search for those elusive BATES ancestors, I ran across an interesting statement, regarding our family.

Dear Cousins, My mom, Bernice, is turning 70 next week (June 21). Well--What do you get your mom who needs nothing? So...I thought it would be exciting for her to receive a ton of birthday greetings. If you have a moment, a stamp, and an interest in helping me be creative, please drop her a birthday note. If you're a descendant of either Clement Bates or Robert Bates, you're a cousin (that's most of us!). But if you're thinking this is too excentric, just delete and accept my apology. Here's the address; Bernice Bates Ambler 18 Tahoe Court Toms River, NJ 08757 Thanks for helping me make this a 'fun' day for my mom. Wayne S. Ambler

Thomas John Bates dob 10-20-1835 in Pennsylvania. Married Mariah Jane Kindred in 1860 in Illinois. Any info greatly appreciated.

Hi all, It seems like this morning I saw some messages re Bates' in Canada. In up-dating my Bates info, I came across a Bates who moved to Canada. This is from the Clement "of Hingham" Bates line. Possibly someone can connect. Roger Bates b 11-9-1745 d 1825 m 12-1-1768 Huldah Stodder b? d 1840 Roger moved to Boston. Then to Winchendon, Mass - 1773 and 1777 to Springfield, VT. In 1797 he moved to Cobourg, Canada where he died. He served as a minuteman at Winchendon 1775 and is mentioned in the Winchendon Honor Roll. In Canada he was known as a United Empire Loyalist, and received land grants from the Canadian government. Children: Adna b 9-2-1769 Betsey (Elizabeth) b 11-25-1770 m 1791 Thomas Barrett Sarah b 10-15-1772 m 1790 Amos Gill Stoddard b 12-29-1774 d 4-17-1779 Huldah b 10-14-1776 m 1794 Joseph Sheldon Polly (Mary) b 2-7-1779 m 1801 Stephen Conger Stoddard b 8-9-1780 Levi b 4-8-1782 Roger b 4-8-1784 d 2-7-1786 Theodosia b 6-16-1786 Nancy b 6-14-1788 d 3-6-1812 m John Dinsmore James b 8-31-1790 Fannie b 2-22-1793 d 2-24-1793

I am researching the Bates in Johnson Co. Ky. Lathana Bates was born in 1882, place unknown. Her mother Martha (maiden name unknown) was born in Va. in 1857. Martha married John Vencil in Johnson Co. Ky abt 1886. I know this isn't much but it's all I have. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Marilee

I am searching for the family of Ann BATES b. 1561? in England, m. Stephen BACHILER. Family settled in New Hampshire, who were their children? I appreciate any assistance you can provide. Shelley

Mail Delivery Subsystem wrote: > > The original message was received at Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:41:01 -0500 (CDT) > from port1.pitton.com [206.53.99.51] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > <[email protected]> > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > 550 <[email protected]>... Host unknown (Name server: rootweb.com: host not found) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Reporting-MTA: dns; toto.pitton.com > Received-From-MTA: dns; port1.pitton.com > Arrival-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:41:01 -0500 (CDT) > > Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected] > Action: failed > Status: 5.1.2 > Remote-MTA: dns; rootweb.com > Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 6 Jun 1997 07:41:02 -0500 (CDT) > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > > Subject: Re: John Bates > Date: Fri, 06 Jun 1997 06:37:17 -0700 > From: Earl Bates <[email protected]> > To: Bates Query <[email protected]> > > I am looking for additional information on > John Bates "The immigrant" (1598 - 1666) > > Does anyone have information on Flowerdew Hundred - Perisey's Hundred, > or more especially, Abraham Peirsey and the peron responsible for > Flowerdew Hundred. > > I am working on a home page for John and I would like for it to be as > accurate as a bunch of genealogist can make it. Look at it, critisize > it and tell me what the facts are, as best we know them. > > http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6289 > > Thanks cousins. > > Earl Bates > [email protected] > > P.S. When I get through, I will have a home page on all my grampas from > John I (1598-) to my daughter (1971-) As I get them ready, I will share > them with you.

I am looking for additional information on John Bates "The immigrant" (1598 - 1666) Does anyone have information on Flowerdew Hundred - Perisey's Hundred, or more especially, Abraham Peirsey and the peron responsible for Flowerdew Hundred. I am working on a home page for John and I would like for it to be as accurate as a bunch of genealogist can make it. Look at it, critisize it and tell me what the facts are, as best we know them. http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6289 Thanks cousins. Earl Bates [email protected] P.S. When I get through, I will have a home page on all my grampas from John I (1598-) to my daughter (1971-) As I get them ready, I will share them with you.

I am looking for additional information on John Bates "The immigrant" (1598 - 1666) Does anyone have information on Flowerdew Hundred - Perisey's Hundred, or more especially, Abraham Peirsey and the peron responsible for Flowerdew Hundred. I am working on a home page for John and I would like for it to be as accurate as a bunch of genealogist can make it. Look at it, critisize it and tell me what the facts are, as best we know them. http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6289 Thanks cousins. Earl Bates [email protected] P.S. When I get through, I will have a home page on all my grampas from John I (1598-) to my daughter (1971-) As I get them ready, I will share them with you.

I was waiting for my ride home from the FHC and found these Bates in the cemetery books for Jackson co. IL St Andrew's Cemetery Nola Wischem Bates 27 Nov 1904 Tower Grove Cemetery George T Bates d June 1917 Vergie E Bates 12 Mar 1873-6 Jul 1931 Theatrice Bates 6 Dec 1925 Rev J T Bates 1883-1956 James Bates 1871-1968 James Wesley Bates 1912-1932 Cassie Bates 1881-1975 Hope this helps someone. Judy -- A job is nice, but it interferes with genealogy research.

Hello everyone! Seeking information on Marie BATES. She was from around the Hartford, Blackford Co., Indiana area. Born in the late 1800s or early 1900s. She married Orlo Pierson. Together they had 4 children. The 2 girls she gave up for adoption when they were 18 months and 4 yrs old. The girls names before they were adopted were Dorthy (sp?, 18 mos.) (Hazel Colshower sp?, her adopted name) and Thelma L. (4yrs.)( Mary Jane Flatter, her adopted name). They kept the boys. She then married a man with the last name of Stone. I have no info on Marie Bates family or Orlo's family. Family would not talk about them as they were very hurt by the history of the adoptions. Does anyone have any leads for me to follow??!! Thank-you, Laura :o)

In a message dated 97-06-04 12:45:38 EDT, you write: << I am compiling a list of descendants of this union: Mary Brooks Jones (14Oct1769 - 29Oct1847) md. 30Dec1788 to Rev. Matthew Bates (7Aug1765 - 16Sep1800) of Pittsylvania County, VA. they had: Lucy Hicks Bates md. James Smith Nancy Dawson Bates md. Ayres Hodnett Mary Bates Susannah Fleming Bates md. Charles Fleming Bates Matthew Bates (female) md. Allen C. Tanner >> Bates Booster Newsletter No. 43 dated November 1978, published by The Bates Family of Old Virginia, has some coverage of the above family from the Peyton Smith Bible and other sources. Provide me with you mailing address and I will provide you with complementary copy of this Bates newsletter. Wayne Witt Bates, Editor The Bates Booster Newsletter The Bates Family of Old Virginia

Dear Bates researchers; If you are brand new to this Bates discussion list, I'm sure you've already seen one of these messages. For all of us who have been automatically transfered from the Maiser list to Rootsweb, the information here is new although very much like Maiser. You should PRINT THESE INSTRUCTIONS to use as a quick reference, but always feel free to contact me directly should problems arise. From: [email protected] (by way of "Wayne S. Ambler" <[email protected]>) Welcome to the BATES mailing list! You are currently subscribed in "mail mode", which means that you will receive every posting made to BATES as a separate e-mail. The directions on how to change to digest mode are given below. 1. How to unsubscribe. Send a message to [email protected] that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe and no additional text. 2. How to subscribe. YOR ARE ALREADY SUBSCRIBED IF YOU HAVE THIS MESSAGE, but for future reference (for instance, if your subscription is cancelled for whatever reason and you want to resubscribe), just send the command "subscribe" to [email protected] 3. How to change to digest mode (several postings are combined and sent to you together as a single large message). There are two steps. First, send the command "unsubscribe" to [email protected] to discontinue mail mode. Second, send the command "subscribe" to [email protected] to start receiving digests. 4. How to change to NOMAIL mode. There is no formal NOMAIL mode. All you have to do is follow the directions above and unsubscribe when you want the messages to stop, and then when you want them to start again, simply subscribe again. 5. If you'd like to post a message so everyone on the mailing list receives it, just send it to [email protected] It will then be sent on to everyone in both mail and digest mode. You don't need to send it explicitly to both. I hope this answers some of your questions, and as new information comes in I'll send it out to the group. Happy hunting.... Wayne S. Ambler [email protected]

I don't recognize any of the names mentioned but I feel that some of the people we are researching came from the same community. My Sara Bates m John S. Carson 10 May 1810 in Baldwin Co, AL. Their son, Nathan Franklin Carson m Amanda Roe Curtis. Amanda's paternal grandmother was Sarah Hicks who was b 10 Nov 1757 in Sussex Co, VA and d 12 Sept 1810 in Washington Co, AL. Sarah Hicks m Samuel R. Curtis c 1778 in Sussex Co, VA. He was b 18 Jan 1751 in NC and d 24 Jan 1846 in Marengo Co, AL. Is there something here or just coincidence? If you have information to share, please write. Thanks Anne Nelson [email protected]

>Date: Tue, 03 Jun 1997 18:41:08 >To: Bates List >From: "Wayne S. Ambler" <[email protected]> >Subject: Peter Bates d.1842, MA > > This school teacher is itching for graduation (6 more school days) so he can begin his trip up north to collect some dead relatives! > > Does anyone know the final whereabouts of one Peter Bates (s. of Laban Bates and Olive Wheelock) who d.1842, Bellingham, MA.; or his wife Sybil Hill Bates who died(I assume)... > > I've got three generations in Bellingham--can we make it four? I'll be visiting cemeteries in Bellingham, Blackstone, and Mendon. I hope the weather dries out. >Wayne S. Ambler > >BTW--did you folks get a welcome letter describing how to subscribe, unsub, etc. about this Bates list. It was supposed to automatically come a week ago, but I've never seen one. I'm the 'owner' of this list and don't always know what's happening with the listserve. --W-- >

Im seeking any information re family of William Joseph Bates, bn Gorey, County Wexford, Ireland, about Sept.1872. mother's name Harriet, sister Harriet E. Im just strating this research and would appreciate any advice. Noel Bates Wellington Point, Queensland, Australia.