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"SUB BATES" Would like to subscribe to Bates discussion group as outlined in the "Bates Booster Quarterly Publication. I descend from two Bates lines prominent in the settlement of Hickman County, Tn. James Bates & Elizabeth Tubb are my earliest ancestors on one line. They both presumably died between 1800 and 1820 in the middle Tn. area, and it would appear that they came here by way of Greenville, South Carolina. My third great grandparents are John Bates & Elizabeth Spencer Bates of Beaverdam, Hickman County, Tn. John Bates, born ca 1790, died ca 1835, was said to have come from Va., and his wife Elizabeth, from Mississippi. They had eleven children: Samuel S.; Malinda; Kissiah; James; Margaret; Elizabeth; Sarah; John Bell; Thomas Elijah; William; and Elias. Have much information on both groups but can't determine the ancestry of either old John Bates or old James Bates. Am hopeful that "networking" will produce new ideas. I descend from John and Elizabeth Spencer Bates through their son, James, who married Catherine Black. I descend from James and Elizabeth Tubb Bates through their daughter, Mary, who married William Chandler. Thanks so much for establishing this means of communication.

Seek information as to parents of William Bates born abt. 1830. He married Sarah Milan. They lived in Lobellville (Perry CoTN). This couple had ten children ..... Nicholas Bedford Bates (1864-1942) who had son Loyd Cleveland Bates Siblings of Nicholas B. Bates: John, Sam L., Jalmes, Bart, Charles, Frances E. Lou ???, Asalee, and Mary Bates. Wayne Witt Bates The Bates Family of Old Virginia

Seek parents of James J. Bates (abt 1822-1891) who lived in Perry CoTN. His first wife was Bershaba d abt 1858. Four childlren from this marriage.... John W. b abt. 1851 Margaret E. b abt. 1853 Egbert H. Joe b abt 1854 James R. Bates (1856-1934)- died in Lewis CoTN James J. Bates (abt 1822-1891) married 2nd Sarah D. (?), and married 3rd Margaret Kunkel in 1872. James J. Bates died in 1891 in Quitman (Van Buren Co.) Ark. Wayne Witt Bates The Bates Family of Old Virginia

Seeking parents of John Bates (d Oct 1797) who married Susannah Huckaby in 1786 in Granville, CoTN. In records, sometimes he was listed as John Beats. As a minimum, the above couple had three children: John, William and Frances (Franky) Bates. After 1797 death of John Bates, widow Susannah married Thomas Howell. In the 1850 census of Wilson CoTN, Thomas Howell was age 75 and his wife Susannah Huckaby Bates Howell was age 80. Both were born in NC Wayne Witt Bates The Bates Family of Old Virginia

James BAITS (BATES) married Elizabeth TUBB in Rutherford Co, NC 19 JULY 1782. Seven (7) identified children from a total of 12 or 14: Robert Bates, b.1783 Greenville SC -- died in the 1830s m. Mahala Goodman James Bates Mary "Polly" Bates, b.1790/1794 SC m. Wm. Chandler William Bates, b.c1790 SC -- d. c1825 Hickman Co TN m. Elizabeth Green Jeremiah Bates Isaiah (Josiah) Bates, b.1799 SC -- d. c1860s TN Jesse Bates m. Margaret ?? Samuel O Bates, b. 23 Aug 1807 Maury Co TN -- d. June 1879 Hickman Co TN m. Sarah/or/Jennie Anderson James BAITS/BATES & wife, Elizabeth TUBB came to Tennessee in c1804. At least one of their children, Samuel, was born there. James BAITS/BATES does not appear on any 1810 census, but Elizabeth is shown in TN with children still living at home. Widowed. Would like to have information on any of the above people. (I do have TUBB/TUBBS information. Elizabeth b 1754 Orange Co NC is dau of William, grand-daughter of John b. c1700 England/Wales. Can anyone go further back than that?) Would also appreciate hearing from anyone descended from John Bates who died approx 1821 Greenville SC (will). My James is thought to be his brother. Would also like to hear from BATES researchers/descendents of that family living in Rutherford NC. We believe our James BAITS/BATES originally came from the New England States, possibly Massachusetts, with a stop off (length?) in Virginia. Parents unknown, siblings ???? not sure. Would appreciate any help at all. Marlene Bates Johnson -- Sand Springs/Tulsa OK [email protected]

Seeking ANY information on Sara Bates. We know only that she married Milton Marion Duke and they had a son, Louis Milton Duke, b. 1874 in Bloomington, IL, d. 1966 in Gary, IN. Louis married Myrtle May McCune. Family history says that Milton was the engineer of O&M Railroads Engine #104 on 1/6/1877 when an accident occurred in which he was killed - believe this was in MI, that he lived in Silver Lake, MI, at the time. Any information on the foregoing will be helpful. Many thanks. Bob King <[email protected]>

Back in 1991 I found a young man (Larry Boatright) who lived in Batesville and asked him if there was an official version of the founding of the town. I had just returned from a "no time to tarry" trip through MS but did drive thru the town. I loved the way it was laid out around a town square, (red brick paving, if memory serves) with the train depot on one side of the square. It looked to be a real refuge from the Chicago area madness we have created with traffic and building everywhere. I promised myself to return, but so far I have not kept that promise. But to return to the story: Boatright checked out his facts locally and this is the local version of how Batesville got its name. It was named for Rev Jaames William Bates, a methodist minister and a conductor on the Miss and Tenn Railroad. Rev Bates was born in Nottoway County, VA in Jan 1821 and was the son of William Bates, jr and Elizabeth. Rev James Bates married 4 Nov, 1845 in Brownsville, Tenn and fathered eight children. Witt: I know I saw another version of its history not long ago, but I was browsing through my files and found this so I thought I would add it the the record of oral history. PS. I have found in checking town names that small whistle stops and watering towers were often named for members of the railroad crews which served at the time of naming. Jack Bates [email protected]

Maybe we can narrow this down a bit and find a clue. The Cowetta Co. GA Matthew is out because my Matthew is in the 1840 & 1850 Census in . MS. I first picked up his trail as a land buyer in the Tuscaloosa, AL Land Office in 1825.Sec 20 T20N R11. Then he shows in 1830 AL Census. Later found in him in Kemper Co MS Census with wife Jane (though unamed) in the 1840 Fed census. He lingered in Alabama and bought/swapped more land in and near Tuscaloosa and Pickens Counties and was raising a family. Unnamed son(s) mentioned in affidavits I found in his case file on one parcel of land when he had to clear the cloud on his title upon sale in 1839. He apparently sold out in 1839 in AL and showed up in 1840 in Kemper Co, MS and in Neshoba Co. MS in 1850. But he was not in the 1860 Neshoba Co. census and his wife was listed as a widow living with dau and SIL, B. N. Georgen near Philadelphia, Neshoba Co. MS.. Have never found his grave or any mention of his death. His daughter, Hannah Louriana, called Loni, b. abt 1837 AL married B. N. George and lived near Philadelphia, MS. He also had a nother dau b. abt 1832, and a son James, b. abt 1835. I have no census documents to prove it, but I believe he was the father of Daniel C. Bates, b. 1820, AL and Frances Marion Bates, b 1818 AL. The last is my Great-Great Grandfather d. 1888 in Kemper Co. MS. It is very possible that the Henry Bates( and family) , on the next page of the 1840 census with only five families separating them from Mathew Bates family on pg 8, is the older brother of Francis Marion Bates and son of Matthew Bates. Some of these assumptions are based on the well known fact that families and in-laws migrated together and settled close to one another; also that NC & SC and GA supplied many of those who took the migration trail to AL and MS. Jack Bates [email protected]

Fellow rooters, Thought I would pass this along since it is important. Subj: Grainger County, TN. records--please help!!! Date: 97-07-20 19:27:22 EDT From: [email protected] (Diana Flynn) From Billie R. McNamara's Grainger County GENWEB page: "Grainger County, Tennessee, Records Storage I recently made a plea to a few genealogy-related LISTs for messages of support for reclamation of the few historic records that still remain in Grainger County, Tennessee. I thought you might be interested in seeing the state of things today. Grainger County was formed in 1796. Its position on the Holston River and on the main stagecoach road from Knoxville, Tennessee, to Abingdon, Virginia, with a road to the Cumberland Gap, means Grainger County was like a turnstile in westward migration. Within the past few years, all the earliest records were moved to a vault in the basement of the county's courthouse for safekeeping. Unfortunately, the vault flooded. When that happened, the county saved what appeared salvageable and threw away the rest. The salvaged records were moved to an abandoned school building for temporary storage --that has turned into long-term storage because the county can not afford to refurbish the vault, clean and conserve the records, and return them to safekeeping. Through a joint venture between the Tennessee State Library and Archives and the Genealogical Society of Utah (LDS), Tennessee's earliest loose records can be filmed. I am working with the GSU as a local point of contact to try to convince the county records custodians in East Tennessee to let the filming crew have access to the records. That is how I got to witness this nightmare. When I recently helped survey the Grainger County records, I was saddened beyond measure. We could find no loose records (court cases papers, marriage licenses, etc.) from before about 1880. Most of the old, leather-bound volumes are also gone. Thank goodness the State Library and Archives microfilmed most of them about 20 years ago." Write the Governor of Tennessee, Donald Sunquist, at: [email protected] The state representative for Grainger County is: DENNIS EDWARD ROACH R-Rutledge District 35 District Address Route 3, Box 557 Rutledge, TN 37861 Nashville Address 205 War Memorial Building Nashville, TN 37243-0135 Phone (615) 741-2534 Staff Contact: Ruth Patterson Internet E-Mail Address [email protected] The e-mail address for Mr. Allen Williams who is the reporter who reported the story on Grainger County and the terrible mess that they have with their records is: [email protected] Sorry if some of you see this more than once. Mary Anne

In a message dated 97-07-21 03:41:54 EDT, you write: << am seeking information as to who is/was William H Bates after whom the submarine USS Wm H Bates, SSN-680 was named. >> Per "Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships," the William H. Bates was named after William Henry Bates, who was born 26 April 1917 at Salem, Mass. He was son of Congressman George J. Bates of the 6th Congressional District of Mass. who was killed at a plane crash at the Washington D. C. National Airport on 1 November 1949.. The son (Wlilliam Henry Bates) resigned his reserve commission (Lt. Commander) to fill the rest of his fathers's term in the House of Representatives. The William H. Bates (SSN-680) was built by company owned by another Bates. I refer to Charles Bates Thornton, founder of Litton Inc. and Ingalls Shipbuilding Div. at Pascagoul, Miss., whose Bates ancestors originated in Stafford County, Virginia. My first cousin. Wayne Witt Bates, Editor The Bates Booster Newsletter The Bates Family of Old Virginia (FFV)

I am seeking information as to who is/was William H Bates after whom the submarine USS Wm H Bates, SSN-680 was named. About three years ago this vessel visited Brisbane Australia. My son who skippered a police boat escorting the submarine into harbour was given souvineers showing the subs name. These are now on a bay cruiser which we operate and are often a conversation topic for guests. I'd like to be able to tell the story behind the name. Can anyone help. Noel W Bates Wellington Point Queensland Aust.

I am looking for any information or leads on Caleb Bates. According to the 1790 census he was living in Bristol, ME and had several children living with him at that time. One child may have been Molly Bates. She married Enoch Perkins of Newcastle, ME on Jul 17, 1790 in Cambridge, MA. They resided in Newcastle, ME and had fourteen children. I have considerable information on the Perkins line but am at a dead-end with Caleb. Again, any leads would be greatly appreciated. Researching: FAIRBANKS, GALE, FISKE, HARDING, MERRIFIELD, PERKINS, WATKINS George F. Silver 250 Bull Moose Run Road Stowe, VT 05672

I am looking for information about my ancestor Sarah Fleming BATES. Sarah was born 23 Oct 1797 in eastern VA. She married William Nathaniel BARNHILL/BARNWELL. We have 25 Mar 1825 as the marriage dat, but I believe that it actually took place several years earlier. She died 8 Feb 1869 and is buried in an unmarked grave in the Conn graveyard in eastern Winston Co, MS. If you have any info about her, I would appreciate it. Thanks!! Barry L. Robertson

To order CDs prepared by the Bureau of Public Lands-Eastern States contact Supt of Documents, Governmnet Printing Office, P.O. Box 371954, Pittsburg,PA 15250-7954. Phone 1-202-512-1800, FAX 1-202- 512-2250 States available: AL,AR,FL,LA,MI,MN,MS,OH, WI each CD includes all sales of public lands (Federal) to individuals and homestead, and bounty land info. Public Lands were those lands acquired by the U.S. by treaty or purchase from foreign governments and cessions of Indian lands from the beginning of the U.S Government. In several southern states, lands were granted to individuals by Spain, and England prior to treaties which ended the revolutionary war and before the U.S. gained dominion over what is now AL and MS in 1798. Those grants are not covered by the public lands CDs. Your Uncle Sam has caught up with the times and now accepts VISA, MASTERCARD, and DISCOVER card orders. All CDs are $15 each except AL, MI, and OH which are $14--including shipping. Visit the Web site for Supt of Documents: Http://www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs Jack Bates

I goofed on the address so I just forwarded it to the correct list-- the lazy way!. Jack Bates << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: Mail Delivery Subs Subject: Internet Message Date: 07/18 Time: 11:44 PM Return-Path: <MAILER-DAEMON> Received: from localhost (localhost) by pimaia4w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with internal id XAA34102; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:47:19 -0400 Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:47:19 -0400 From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON> Message-Id: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="XAA34102.869284039/pimaia4w.prodigy.com" Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: rootsweb.coml.: host not found) Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) This is a MIME-encapsulated message --XAA34102.869284039/pimaia4w.prodigy.com The original message was received at Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:47:18 -0400 from mime3.prodigy.com [192.168.253.27] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <[email protected]> ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 <[email protected]>... Host unknown (Name server: rootsweb. coml.: host not found) --XAA34102.869284039/pimaia4w.prodigy.com Content-Type: message/delivery-status Reporting-MTA: dns; pimaia4w.prodigy.com Received-From-MTA: dns; mime3.prodigy.com Arrival-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:47:18 -0400 Final-Recipient: rfc822; [email protected] Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; rootsweb.coml Last-Attempt-Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:47:18 -0400 --XAA34102.869284039/pimaia4w.prodigy.com Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: <[email protected]> Received: from mime3.prodigy.com (mime3.prodigy.com [192.168.253. 27]) by pimaia4w.prodigy.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA25394; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:47:18 -0400 Received: (from [email protected]) by mime3.prodigy.com (8.6.10/8.6.9) id XAA136684; Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:42:25 -0400 Message-Id: <[email protected]> X-Mailer: Prodigy Internet GW(v0.9beta) - ae01dm04sc03 From: [email protected] (MR JACK BATES) Date: Fri, 18 Jul 1997 23:42:25, -0500 To: [email protected] cc: [email protected] Subject: Land Entry Files--Homestead etc Where to write for homestead files, Liz? Aye, `tis not an easy one word answer, Lassie. When we deal with bureaucrats they love to spread records around to keep all the "liddle elves" busy and confuse the citizens lest we catch on to them! Case 1: If your homesteader made application for land in one of the Public Land States (does not include any of the 13 original states) such as AL, AR,FL LA, MI, MN, MS, OH, or WI you are in luck. Take the easy way and search the CD-ROM for that state compiled by the Bureau of Land Management, Eastern States, for the General Land Office Automated Records Project. The CD can be purchased from the the Government Printing Office (I believe it is stocked in the Pittsburgh, PA, GPO.) The cost is approx $15 plus shipping. I have two of them but nowhere on the labels or instructions did they bother to print the address of the GPO who handles the sale!!!!! Write Bureau of Land Management, Eastern States, 7450 Boston Blvd., Springfield , VA 22153 Phone: (703) 440-1600 FAX (703) 440-1609 on the internet: http//:www. blm.gov. The CD has a rather simple search engine, a few confusing instructions re maps and meridians to be viewed, zoomed, and panned, and more record and file numbers than you ever wanted to know about one land transaction, but if your ancestor bought public land or homesteaded, the data is all neatly arranged so you can print it out and send in the info to BLM and order ALL the papers, reciepts, applications, witness affidavits, testimony of claimant and Final Affidavit and of course the Patent (same as a deed but is the term used when land passes from the government to a private party) That's the neat and clean easy method. Otherwise you must use method 2. Method 2 : Gather all the information you have about the ancestor, name, place, time, state, county, township, Range, Section pertaining to the land and include it in a letter requesting a search to: Textual Reference Branch (NNR1-Land) National Archives and Records Administration Washington, D.C. 20408 They may send you a form and ask you to use it to request the search and they will inform you of the fee(s). Some State Archives may maintain an index of homesteaders or more details, but you have to inquire in each case. You may be starting on a rather long trail involving a few weeks or months wait, but it can be very worthwhile. If your ancestor could write his name, the signature can be seen on a copy of the application for the land. Witness statements are those of people who knew him when he began the land entry and their testimonials as to character and his efforts to build a house and cultivate the land are priceless! See you on the trail, Liz. Jack Bates --XAA34102.869284039/pimaia4w.prodigy.com-- << End of Forwarded message >>

Where do you write for ALL the homestead papers? State where homesteaded? or some federal office? Thank you, Liz Gard [email protected]

Everyone that's a descendant of John the Immigrant should check out Earl Bates' page at http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Union/6293 Its an interesting place. Good job Earl!

Anne- I forgot to mention that spread across these United States at one time were 29 towns and 19 counties named Marion--all due to the fame of the Swamp Fox. An interesting book "Swamp Fox, the life and campaigns of General Francis Marion" was written by Robert D. Bass in 1959 and published by SandLapper Publishing Co, Orangeburg, South Carolina, in 1974. I got my copy in Charleston, SC that fascinating city of the South which has managed to preserve so many fine homes of that period of history. It is not a musty museum city, but is alive with the arts and social life of a vibrant town nestled on a penninsula between two historic rivers in what is called the Low Country by the native South Carolinians. Don't forget to sample the "She-Crab" soup, Red Beans and Rice, and other wonderful local cuisienne. Jack Bates

I am interested in the Francis Marion name because my great grandfather was Thomas Francis Marion Payne. Thanks for the background info on where the name came from. Btw, he also was born in MS. Isn't this all interesting!! Anne