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Hi, My name is Colette Kingsley and I just recently joined the Bates surname list. I noticed a message from a Linda, I believe, talking about her Vermont Bates line. My Bates line ends in Vermont also. My great grandfather Sylvanus Bates was born in Vermont in 1812 but this is all I know about his birth. I have a copy of his marriage certificate and it tells his age at the time of his marriage and what state he was born in. He grew up in Ohio so his father must have left Vermont shortly after Sylvanus' birth. Maybe we can correspond through this list and compare notes. Thanks! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

Hello all fellow researchers, When I first attempted a homepage I tried making it simple and make one surname per page, accessed by a highlighted hyperlink. Well, some say the links don't work. : ( Some say they do. So, until I figure this one out, I have put all the info on the initial page. Just keep scrolling until you get to the surname you are interested in. Thanks for all your input and if someone has a solution to my problem I would be very glad to hear it. All connections and/or corrections are welcomed. I will be adding new pages and more info to the exsisting pages as time permits. Thank You, Linda [email protected] homepage:http://members.aol.com/CheyGrama/index.html Surnames you will find here: BLOOD, KLIBONSKI, GILBRIDE, TOOMEY, CARTMILL, CORN, SLAUGHTER, HANCOCK, RAY, TEATERS, WATKINS, LECHLER, LLOYD, MCCORKENDALE, KENNEDY/CANIDA, LOONEY, MULLINS and others.

Plese let the group know it is their browser that is causing the problem and if they sign off digest mode and sing on regular this will not happen it is being worked on. Cheryl Bates

Debbie, The Bates that I am searching for are from Vermont. So far I have not had much luck. I have not found any connection to the Bates in Virginia. Thank you. Linda

Wanda, Thank you for the information on Bates Family of Old Virginia Org. I have not had a chance to contact them yet. As you can see I am behind in answering my messages. Did I read the info. that you sent me saying that you are from Maine? Thank you. Linda

LaShelle, I have not found any connection. The Bates information I have so far comes from the Vermont area. I will keep the information that you sent and keep you posted if I find a connection. Thank you. Linda

Not certain how the background is made red. however it is VERY difficult to read. thank you

Hello, I am new to this list and also new to researching my BATES line. Looking for anything I can find on this family: 1. Elizabeth BATES, born 1610 in Surrey, England, daughter of: 2. James BATES, born 1582 of Lydd, Kent, England, son of: 3. John BATES, born 1562 of Lydd, Kent, England, son of: 4. John BATES, born 1521 of Lydd, Kent, England, son of: 5. Andrew BATES, born 1500 of Lydd, Kent, England Anything at all would be so appreciated. Thanks, Carol Martin [email protected]

I want to thank everyone for their help. I am severely behind on reading emails. Things have gotten very busy for me and i am working between 12 and 18 hrs a day so will have to unsubscribe for a time. As I read my mail I will answer it. I have not ignored any of the great helps I have had. Thanks again and Happy hunting. One never knows when one tiny piece will pull the puzzle together.

Oops, I messed up the original address so had to use the "forward" gimmick. Jack << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: (JSWV61A) JACK BATES Subject: Circuit rider was four years late? Date: 04/17 Time: 02:53 AM Did you say story to tell? Well, that does put me in mind of a story, Diane. There was this Sweet Young Thing who went to the doctor complaining of a strange feeling in her abdomen. The doc gave her a gown and said to meet him in the examining room. Pretty soon the doc came in and began to examine her and then he rigged up the ultrasound machine and used that to examine her. Then he left the room and sent in his nurse to examine her, also. Then the pair of them whispered back and forth awhile and finally the doctor turned to the young woman with a smug look and said: "Well, you may as well call up your husband or boyfriend and give him the good news that he is going to become a father". The Sweet young thing gasped, sat up suddenly and began to protest: "But--but doctor, that's impossible. I have no husband. I have no boy friend. And I have never, never slept with a man!" The doctor studied her face for a moment then asked her to repeat what she had said. The Sweet Young Thing promptly repeated her denial of having been with a man. Whereupon the doctor walked over to the window, pulled the curtains aside, pulled up the shade and stood staring at the sky. After a few minutes the Sweet Young Thing asked: "Doctor, why are you just standing there and looking out the window?" The doctor turned slowly to face her and said solemly: You tell me you have not been with a man, yet you are definitely with child. The last time this happened nearly 2000years ago, a star rose in the East so I don't want to miss it this time! -------0- ------- Seriously, the discrepancy in dates raises an issue not seen in print too often, but it was a fact of life in the wilderness and on the frontiers of America. That issue is that we tend to view the happenings in the lives of our ancestors of colonial days as if they were our contemporaries. Yes, delayed marriage ceremonies were a part of their lives. The writings of Rev. Charles Woodmason, the Anglican minister of Charleston SC who became a circuit rider of the backcountry of the Carolinas, detail the difficulty in serving so many widespread small groups he organized into congregations. Lorenzo Dow, the Methodist preacher of the Mississippi and Alabama circuits, also left some of his experiences in written form, as did his wife, Peggy Dow. One experience all people of the frontiers and backwoods shared was delay in official and legal affairs. Many folks became squatters on land they had intended to buy, but once they made the trip to the land and inquired as to how and where to file on the land to acquire title, they gave up in disgust. They found that they had to travel long distances fraught with the dangers of the wilderness to the courthouse at the seat of justice. Paying for the land led to an annual, long ,danger-filled trip to pay taxes to keep the land. Squatting on the land was the only practical answer and became the accepted way in many jurisdictions far from centers of government. Waiting for the circuit rider to come by to unite a couple in holy matrimony might be tolerated for a few months, but there were places where a preacher didn't show up for a year or more, or not at all! So common-law marriages were the only way for some. Later as churches sprung up along with civilization, some of those marriages were "officialized" in church. Jack Bates <Internet Distribution List> TO: [email protected] CC: [email protected] << End of Forwarded message >>

Hi all, I have 1st child of William & Margaret (Young) Bates - James Alexander Bates b 12-1-1760 My info says that this is the date as listed by the DAR. But, have marriage date for William & Margaret as 1-15-1765. Have I mistyped a date here (or) is there a story to tell? Thanks for any info on this. [email protected]

Hi Judy, On Mar10, you wrote " While digging for other old records, I came across 5 generations of family group sheets starting with Daniel Staples Bates, Alfred Bates Sr.,Alfred Merton Bates Jr., Harold Sage Bates, and Edgar Alfred Bates (both wives). They are very complete, if this line connectects to any one, I will be glad to provide info." Do your group sheets have an Almira Bates on it? She was born probably around 1800 either in Bennington Co VT or in MA, married Thomas Shaff in the early 1820's and lived in Oswego Co NY from then until 1835. This is a shot in the dark! Wayne Olsen Bonney Lake, WA

Iam new to this list as far as I know she is from darlington county S.C. about 1850's She was the wife of Sam Oliver. Are there any cousins researching my family name. Harriet Oliver Yates

Hi MJBE, I have not heard of the Bates Association. Please tell me about them. Could you send me information on your family line. You never know we may find a connection some time. Thank you. Linda :-)

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Hello Bobby & Sue, Les & Sandra, Andrea and Jack, Thank you all for responding to my message.Now I know the Bates are around. I have some information that I am passing along in hopes that some one may connect with me. Joseph Bates was a farmer from VT. He married Malinda Webster.She is buried in E. Roxbury,VT. They had George Dennison Bates b. 6/14/1841. He married Lucy E.Perry. They had 2 sons Lester George Bates b.5/12/1872 in Northfield and d.3/3/1934 and Ernest L. Bates b.2/14/1875and d. 8/15/1928. Lester George married Myrtle Emma Robberts b.7/30/1882 and d. 12/23/1973. They had 3 girls.Lenore Helen and Lucy E. are twins. b.2/8/1922. Muriel Elizabeth b.5/10/1923. Lenore Helen married Robert Gustavus Pennington b.6/19/1922. They had a son Carl Bates b. 2/15/52. Now George Dennison got remarried to Lilla L. Jackson b.1860 and d. abt.1934. They had 5 children. Belle b. 11/27/1882, Abbie May b. 6/9/1887, Gladys Winferd b. 3/1/1889, Irl Smith b. 10/19/1893 and Leo Newton b. 7/13/1898. George married again to a Clara Whitear and they had Ettie E. These are the Bates I have so far. Thank you all and keep in touch. Linda :-)

Please update your records to reflect my new address..Thanks... [email protected]

This should have been attached so all will know about the origin of Bates. << Start of Forwarded message via Prodigy Mail >> From: (JSWV61A) JACK BATES Subject: Bates Connection Date: 04/07 Time: 12:03 AM Well now, Linda, I hope you have time to listen to a story about the true roots you seek. Since time began the distaff side of the equation has wandered this earth carrying a lot of unnecessary baggage about the Garden of Eden and Eve and apples and worms etc--and, oh, yes---that critter called man. No doubt, you have always believed man was made first and put down in Eden to do the grunt work. Well, that's just not correct! Eve came first and she got so lonely she set up a howl for a man. The powers that be couldn't stand her yowling so they decided to create a man for Eve. It being late in the day when they started, forever after that time of day came to be known as EVEning. They stirred up a mess of good things, put it in the man-mould, let it dry over night and in the morning they popped out their first-ever man. Eve took one look at the hairy ape-like creature and howled louder than ever. So they tried again, and again, and again, and again. One night after millions of years, they became so efficient that they produced two men. Both were extremely handsome, perfect physicl specimens, intelligent beyond belief, strong and fearless, but very gentle and kind. One was very heavenly, according to Eve, so they called him Adonis. (It could have been Jacob or Zachariah, but they needed a name starting with a letter to start teaching the alphabet with.) Since he was such a heavenly looking critter, they sent him into the heavens atop Mount Olympus. Once Adonis was gone Eve looked at man No.2 and she saw how much more perfect he was than the departed Adonis. The more she looked, the more delighted she became that her man was by far the best ever created or that ever would be created!!! She turned to No. 2 and with that famous come-hither look started to call out to him to follow her into the garden. Her voice cracked and croaked as she realized this wonderful creature did not have a name!! By now she was beginning to learn the alphabet so she said to this most marvelous male ever created," I shall give you a name with the second letter of the alphabet, "B". So you shall be called BATES. (Never mind those genealogy books, Linda, that say Bates is a shorthand form for BArTholEmew, this is the real skinny.) Well, when word got out to Diana and her gang of groupies, Bates was so in demand that he had to hide out. To this day, Bates is hard to find--always hiding from those of us who chase Bates through the pages of time. When someone does get an occaisional glimpse, it's like an Elvis sighting. The activity can not be believed. In between times, the pursuers sink into exhausted sleep to await the next frenzied search. You have joined us in one of those quiet moments, Linda. Grab and apple and sit a spell! If you have any questions about the veracity of this tale, Linda, address your queries to: http://www.Zeus. org/mendacity Yours truly, Mercury aka known as Jack Bates <Internet Distribution List> TO: [email protected] CC: [email protected] << End of Forwarded message >>