Hi everyone, I would like to make contact with family descendants of BATES living in the Derbyshire area of England.or elsewhere. We descend from John Bates 1799 m 1820 - 1st.Sarah Taylor 2nd.Sarah Ordish 3rd. Fanny (Frances) Ordish. Children: James Taylor Bates 1822, Charles Mark b1824, Agnes Bates b.1826 m.John Bell Clarence Bates 1828, Polly Bates 1830, George William bates b.1834, Silas Bates b.1836 Sarah Ann Bates b.1838 m. Tom Brown, Mark Bates b.1840 went to USA????,Rev. Walter Bates b.1843.(our line). Look forward to hearing from anyone interested in this family, Regards Ronnie Bates, Dawesville Western Australia

Aldean, Do you know what part of Ohio? My G-G-Grandmother Sarah Ellen (BATES) YORK was born in Noble County, OH about this same time. There was a large number of BATES in Monroe County brfore it was split into Monroe and Noble Counties. I have to leave for a meeting or I would look into this more. I have a copy of a typescript history of this BATES family that may list your Samuel BATES. tendick wrote: > Hi, > > I just received my gg-grandfathers death certificate. His name was Samuel > Bates, born July 4, 1851 in Ohio to Adam Bates, born in Ohio and Eliza > Shamblin, also born in Ohio. Samuel was married to Elizabeth Jane Rhodes. > Does anyone connect with these lines? Thank you. > Aldean Tendick > 49640 High Prairie Loop > Oakridge, OR 97463

Hi, I just received my gg-grandfathers death certificate. His name was Samuel Bates, born July 4, 1851 in Ohio to Adam Bates, born in Ohio and Eliza Shamblin, also born in Ohio. Samuel was married to Elizabeth Jane Rhodes. Does anyone connect with these lines? Thank you. Aldean Tendick 49640 High Prairie Loop Oakridge, OR 97463

I am tring to get a handle on Elizabeth Bates b. 1782 m. Jeremiah Green . first location I have for her is Newburg NY , then Middlebush NY , Glenfalls NY , Moreau NY , and then Moreau NY . With all this moving around , I can't seem to find other family or where she was actually from . Any suggestions would of help. Gordon Walk _____________________________________________________________________ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Hi, I recently joined this group and would like to post my husband's Bates family. Sarah Elizabeth Bates, b. July 1851 (or 1852) in MS. According to the 1900 IT/OK census, her parents were both b. in AL. She d. March 15, 1930 in Porum, Muskogee Co., OK. Elizabeth m. Abraham E. Stephens abt 1870-1874. They had eight children: Charles Arch, b. 1875 in IT/OK Lillie Mae, b. 1878 in Greenwood, Sebastian Co., AR Hamilton S., b. 1879 in Sebastian Co., AR Burrell, b. 1880 in AR Maud A., b. 1884 in AR Robert, b. 1886 in AR, Sarah Bell, b. 1888 in AR Laura Ellen, b. 1892 in LeFlore Co., IT/OK We know Elizabeth had brothers Ham and Will, one living in AR and the other in Chicago, IL, (not sure of time period). Thank you for any help on this family. Susan Hudspeth [email protected]

Hi Andrea and others, I need to correct my response to Andrea Crowell's question - the Oliver who I think may be a candidate as father of my 4th ggmother Almira Bates was a descendant of Edward Bates (b. 1605 of Boston, Lincolnshire, England, d. Mar 25 1665 in Boston MA). I had previously responded that Oliver was a descendant of Elder Edward Bates of Weymouth. Sorry about that. I found info yesterday that leads me to think that the Samuel Bates of Houndsfield, Jefferson Co, was NOT Oliver's brother/uncle, and was more likely to be Almira's father. A short bio in "History of Jefferson Co., NY, 1793-1894, by John A. Haddock, stated that Merrick M. Bates was a son of Samuel Bates of Houndsfield, and was born in Brimfield MA in 1801. The father Samuel came to Houndsfield in 1801, purchased 285 acres, built a house, then returned to MA to fetch his family, who then came in Dec 1802. Since my Almira was born in MA around 1800, maybe I've hit paydirt. Anyone have info on this Samuel Bates family living in Brimfield, MA? He served in the War of 1812 defending Sacketts Harbor, NY, and died in 1813. His wife's name was Sally, and she was listed as head of household in the 1820 census for Houndsfield. Wayne Olsen Bonney Lake, WA

How do I unsubscribe? Bob Jenkins wrote: > I came across the following which may be of some importance to the > Bates families. It adds some information to what I've previous > known and lists two (rather cryptic) sources for additional > information. > > Hope it is of use to some. > > >From the English Origins of New England Families, Series 1, Volume > 1, Page 155: > > Bates Entries in the Register of All Saints Church, Biddenden, > Kent, England > > 1624 - John, son of Clement Bates, bapt 18 October > 1624 - John, son of Clement Bates, buried 18 December > 1626 - Rachell, daughter of Clement Bate, bapt. 22 October > 1628 - Joseph, son of Clement Bate, bapt. 28 September > 1631 - A child of Clement Bat, buried unbaptized 2 April > 1632 - Benjamin, son of Clement Bate, bapt. 24 June > > [These entries show the English home of Clement Bates or Bate who > came to New England in 1635 and settled at Hingham > (REGISTER, vol 14, p. 305), and give information about his children > which supplements that given in Water's Gleanings, vol 2, p. 1308. > .... > Bob Jenkins

I came across the following which may be of some importance to the Bates families. It adds some information to what I've previous known and lists two (rather cryptic) sources for additional information. Hope it is of use to some. >From the English Origins of New England Families, Series 1, Volume 1, Page 155: Bates Entries in the Register of All Saints Church, Biddenden, Kent, England 1624 - John, son of Clement Bates, bapt 18 October 1624 - John, son of Clement Bates, buried 18 December 1626 - Rachell, daughter of Clement Bate, bapt. 22 October 1628 - Joseph, son of Clement Bate, bapt. 28 September 1631 - A child of Clement Bat, buried unbaptized 2 April 1632 - Benjamin, son of Clement Bate, bapt. 24 June [These entries show the English home of Clement Bates or Bate who came to New England in 1635 and settled at Hingham (REGISTER, vol 14, p. 305), and give information about his children which supplements that given in Water's Gleanings, vol 2, p. 1308. .... Bob Jenkins

I am tyring to find the parents of the following Elizabeth her parents were not listed on the marriage record so any help leads or what ever are greatfully accepted. Subject* Elizabeth BATES Father* Mother* Marriage* 12 Apr 1740 Mamaroneck, New York. Spouse* Isaac HAVILAND Birth* b __ ___ 1725 Rye, New York. Death* a 16 Apr 1795 Father* Benjamin HAVILAND (1698- ) Mother* Charity FARRINGTON 1/F Hannah HAVILAND Birth* 22 Mar 1741 Washington, Colony of New York. Marriage* 22 Apr 1761 William HOAG (1737- ); Washington, Colony of New York. Death* 29 Dec 1823 2/F Elizabeth HAVILAND Birth* 03 May 1742 Colony of New York. 3/F Phoebe HAVILAND Birth* 10 May 1743 Colony of New York. Marriage* 22 Mar 1769 Jacob HAIGHT (1742-1822), son of Jacob HAIGHT and Sarah HICKS; Coffin Summit, Colony of New York. 4/F Martha HAVILAND Birth* 14 Mar 1745 Colony of New York. 5/F Sarah HAVILAND Birth* 20 Jul 1746 Colony of New York. 6/F Anne HAVILAND Birth* 30 Apr 1748 Colony of New York. 7/F Charity HAVILAND Birth* 08 Dec 1750 Colony of New York. 8/M John HAVILAND Birth* 20 Aug 1752 Colony of New York. 9/M Isaac HAVILAND Birth* 21 Aug 1755 Colony of New York. Death* 08 Dec 1835 New York. Josephine C. Frost, The Haviland Genealogy in no series (New York, New York: The Lyons Genealogical Co, MCMXIV). Frost, Haviland Genealogy, page 71. Frost, Haviland Genealogy. _________, Oblong Meeting Records in no series (n.p.: n.pub., n.d.). Frost, Haviland Genealogy, page 109. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. The Holy Bible (No. 122 Market Street Philadelphia, Penn.: Published by Mathew Carey, 1807, page 677, Ann Estelle Hamill. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. _________, Oblong Meeting Records. _________, Oblong Meeting Records.

BARKing up the wrong TREE, Wayne? Puleeze watch those early morning puns. 'Tis barely past cockcrow and I haven't had my eye opener yet! Jack Bates

In response to my inquiry, Andrea Crowell wrote: Can you tell me more about your likely immigrant ancestor? Do you mean Elder Edward Bates of Weymouth, b. around 1605 in England and d. 3-25-1686? If this is the immigrant you mean, I may be able to help you because I have collected information about him published by The Bates Assn. over the years and I have some of his descendants. I'm descended from him via Bates who moved to Vermont also. Let me know and hopefully I can help-- ****** Hi Andrea, Hope you can help. Yes, Elder Edward Bates is the immigrant ancestor of Oliver Bates who ended up at Henderson, Jefferson Co NY. He had an uncle Samuel, although I'm not positive this Samuel is the one who lived "next door" to my 4th GGparents Thomas Shaff and Almira Bates in Houndsfield, Jefferson Co NY in the 1820 census. I have nothing to connect Almira Bates to either Oliver or Samuel, but the coincidences are great. I'm not so much looking for the 1600 vintage Bates history yet, ... I know that is available. I'd just like to make sure I'm barking up the right tree before I proceed! Thanks Wayne Olsen Bonney Lake, WA

Hi-- Can you tell me more about your likely immigrant ancestor? Do you mean Elder Edward Bates of Weymouth, b. around 1605 in England and d. 3-25-1686? If this is the immigrant you mean, I may be able to help you because I have collected information about him published by The Bates Assn. over the years and I have some of his descendants. I'm descended from him via Bates who moved to Vermont also. Let me know and hopefully I can help-- Andrea Crowell

My gggreatgranparents were Martin Bates (1817-1891) and Margaretha Rausch Kolb (1837). My ggreatgranmother was Mary F. Bates. She married John C. Hesley, in Syracuse, New York, on May 20, 1890. I know this one for a fact, because I have their marriage certificate. I am pulling my hair out trying to find any reference to either one of them. Is their anyone out there that can offer some assistance? Now, I have been trying to track a Nettie Bates for a long time, but I am not sure how she fits into the picture. I have her silver teaspoon as well as many pictures of her. She must have played an important part in my Family's life but I am beleiving my attention has, maybe been too focused on her. Nettie could have been one of the above's mother or Aunt. Who knows? Well, anyway, can anyone help me link up Martin and Margaretha to anyone? Thanks! Suzanne [email protected]

Hi everyone, I've posted a couple of notes about Almira BATES of Oswego Co NY (early 1800's) on this list over the last few months and got very nice/useful responses. Reviewing the LDS IGI, Ancestral File, and 1800 thru 1830 census and reading between the lines, I'm now leaning in a different direction, still searching for her parents. I suspect now that her father may have been either Oliver Bates (b. 7 Jun 1784 Shelburne, Franklin, MA), his father Oliver (b. Aug 7, 1763 Ashby or Shelburne MA) or Oliver Sr's brother Samuel (b. abt 1765 probably Shelburne). The lines of these three lead back to the immigrant ancestor Edward Bates of Boston of the 1630's, but I still have no documentatation connecting Almira with any of them. Here's a rough timeline,.. I'm hoping someone may have some extra details to add to or refute this theory, or to determine for sure if it was Oliver Sr, Oliver Jr, or Samuel! (as well as who the wives were). Bef 1790 - Oliver Bates removed from MA to Randolph VT (reported by letter from Bates Assn included in the Rev. War Pension Application microfilm for Oliver...... that would seem to downgrade Oliver's chances for Almira's fatherhood.... maybe Samuel stayed behind in MA??) Abt 1800 - Almira Bates born in MA (based on 1850 census info). Bef 1810 - Oliver and Samuel Bates families migrated to Jefferson Co, northern NY. Samuel Bates family lived "next door" to Henry Shaff family in Houndsfield or Henderson, Jefferson Co (based on sequence in 1810 census) 1820 - Henry Shaff's son Thomas Shaff had married Almira Bates, and the young family was also living "next door" to Henry Shaff and Oliver Bates Jr in Houndsfield. Samuel Bates had evidently died before the 1820 census, since he was not listed anywhere and an older family headed by Sally Bates was the "next door" neighbor. Abt 1822 - Thomas Shaff and wife Almira Bates moved to Hannibal, Oswego Co NY and had at least 4 children born there or Oswego the next 10 years. 1828 - Oliver Bates Sr died in Henderson, Jefferson Co. (Rev. War Pension Application files and LDS IGI/Ancestral File) 1830 - (census) Thomas Shaff family living in Hannibal. Oliver Bates Jr, and another brother Asa Bates had moved from Jefferson Co to Volney, Oswego Co. Thanks in advance to anyone who can help. Wayne Olsen Bonney Lake, WA

---------- > From: J & V Bates <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Subject: re MARK BATES > Date: Thursday, 30 April 1998 12:11 > > Hello from Australia: > I am trying to trace descendants of Mark Bates born in Derbyshire UK around > 1840, had siblings - George, Silas, Sarah, and Walter (Walter became > Rev.Walter Bates with the New Jerusalem Church in the Derbyshire Area of > UK) - Mark Bates went to USA between 1870 and 1880, can anyone please > assist in trying to find out any information on what became of him. > Thanks, Ronnie Bates, Dawesville Western Australia.

Hello from Australia: I am trying to trace descendants of Mark Bates born in Derbyshire UK around 1840, had siblings - George, Silas, Sarah, and Walter (Walter became Rev.Walter Bates with the New Jerusalem Church in the Derbyshire Area of UK) - Mark Bates went to USA between 1870 and 1880, can anyone please assist in trying to find out any information on what became of him. Thanks, Ronnie Bates, Dawesville Western Australia.

Looking for connections to Nelson Bates, born 1831 in New York, died 1893 in Ohio, married to Serepta Parrish (1835-1915) , their son, William Pitt Bates, born April 19, 1871 in Ohio, died 1951 in McAllen, Texas, married Lydia Robbins (1873-1926) and their son, Frank Delmar Bates, born March 11,1891 in Floral, KS, died 1972 in Arcadia, CA, married Lucile Nowlin (1895-1985)

Seeking exchange on: Moses BATES/BETZ, s/o Christian & Christiana BETZ *born ca 1819, Jenners twp., Somerset Co PA *died as Moses BATES, 1875, Millcreek twp, Williams Co OH *military service, as Moses BATES, Civil War, 1862-1863 *surname BETZ is German, Lutheran/Reformed; other siblings used spelling variation, BETTS. *mar. as Moses BATES, 1836, prob. Bath twp., Summit Co OH, to: Anna PEACH d/o Jacob & Rachael (BRELSFORD) PEACH *born ca1819, Jackson twp, Stark Co OH *died ca 1864, Millcreek twp., Williams Co OH Children of Moses & Anna BATES: i. Chris S. BATES 1838-1904, single ii. Rachael Jane BATES 1841-1915, mar. Benjamin K. SEVERENCE/SEVRENCE iii. John BATES 1843-1864, died in Civil War iv. Oscar BATES b ca1845-d. bef. 1930 v. Irvin BATES 1846-1930 vi. Mahala BATES 1848-1930, mar. Samuel KINSEY vii. Anna Elizabeth/Lisa BATES 1852- d. aft 1930, mar. Mitchell HADICKS viii. Huldah Susan BATES 1854-1892, mar. David Snyder PICKING ix. Samuel BATES b. ca 1856- d. bef 1930 x. Mary Alice BATES b ca 1858, mar. Albert BAKER xi. Francis Leroy BATES b. ca1860- d. aft 1930

Hi.. I'm looking for information on my ggggm. Her name was Elizabeth Bates. She was born 5 July 1820 in Al (I think Franklin Co) and died 12 Sep 1857 in Franklin Co. She married Peter Patterson (1815-1899) on 12 Sep 1839 in Franklin Co. She is also buried in Franklin County at Weatherbee Cemetery. I think but I'm not sure Elizabeth Bates' father was Henderson Bates. He is on the 1830 Census with a dau old enough to be Elizabeth. She would have been 10. Is anyone else researching the Bates family in Franklin County. I would love to exchange information. I don't have alot of Bates information but I do have ALOT of Patterson info. I also believe but have not proven that Elizabeth had a sister/cousin that married Peter's brother - David Nolan Patterson. Does anyone know anything about this marriage? thank you so much, cay devin born in AL living in WA state. [email protected]

I have just discovered that my Great Grandfather, WILLIAM E. BATES, had a brother, SAMUEL A. BATES. William's wife, who died, abt 1860, Elbert County, Georgia, when their son was born, was SALLIE (Sally, Salley, Sarah, COKER), and the wife of Samuel (md 1856, Hall County, Georgia) was NICEY (COKER also spelled KOCHER). Sallie and Nicey (b 1842), were sisters. Brothers married sisters. But I still don't know the names of the parents of either the Bates brothers or the Coker sisters. Nicey and Samuel had at least two children; Sarah Adeline, b-1858, Franklin County, Georgia, and Florence Elizabeth, b-1860, Covington, Newton County, Georgia. FLORENCE ELIZABETH BATES married JULIUS HILLIARD DICKSON, and they had at least eleven children. One of their grandsons, WILLIE ARTHUR PILGRAM, said (in a letter I found) that they were "double cousins" of My Great Grandfather, WILLIAM WEBSTER BATES. Reportedly W.W. was raised by a Coker sister, but I don't know who.. Does anyone have any of the above family in their records? Thank you, LaShelle http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6097