Shiela, Please see McCracken's "Roger Barton of Westchester County, NY." I don't keep all the e-mail, but as I recall, you were interested in a Peter Barton married to Esther Howland with a son Daniel. Roger1 Barton 1628 - 1688, Mary ______ Joseph2 Barton abt 1672 - 1762, 2nd wife, Abigail4 Lewis (Philip3, William2, William1) Caleb3 Barton abt 1725 - 1819, Rose _______ Peter4 Barton abt 1756 - ab 1818, Esther Howland. Daniel5 Barton 1789 - Or Peter5 Barton 1799 then Daniel6 if there was one. McCracken did not carry this family beyond what is above, the generation of Daniel5 and Peter5. Peter4 was born in Nine Partners, Dutchess, Co., NY and died in Kinderhook, Columbia Co., NY. Thus he was probably a Quaker. He married Esther Howland on Dec. 21, 1781. She is the daughter of Samuel Howland, and was recorded in Pawling in the 1800 census. As you have found from the recent messages, the question of Roger Barton's ancestry has contradictory answers. We have one current entry from Wales, another from Holland. Thus we add the entry from Barbadoes, and several more. Writing in the N.Y. Gen. & Biogr. Rec. in 1928, Dr. Joshua Lindley Barton suggested that Roger and Rufus were the sons of Edward Barton, a sea-captain. He suggested that the two sons came from Barbadoes to the Island of Manhattan about 1641. He suggested that Rufus went shortly thereafter to Rhode Island, and Roger settled among the Dutch and leased land from Reverend Everardus Bogardus in 1642. McCracken proved that Rufus Barton, not Roger, signed the lease. This was published in The American Genealogist in July, 1951. A recent message on this mailing list suggested that since it was Rufus who signed the lease, he probably just turned the lease over to Roger and went on his way to Rhode Island. However, Roger1 testified in 1688 that he was about 60 years old. Thus he was born about 1628. Thus he would have been about 14 years old when the lease was signed in 1642. It would take a lot of faith to turn over a property to a 14 year-old boy, especially since it was among a people of another country, i.e, Dutch, not English. In 1937, Adolph Law Voge mentioned the stories extant at that time. One was, of course, Captain Edward Barton in Barbadoes as the father of Roger. Another says one brother went to Oxford, MA, one to Philadelphia and one to Dutchess Co. Another that three brothers came to New York, one remained, one went to New England and one went South. These two are not necessarily inconsistent. Voge also suggests a Roger Barton born in Walton, six miles north of Liverpool, England. He has no known brothers. His father is Thomas, not Edward. The first documented mention of Roger1 Barton is in 1662 in Brookhaven, Long Island. From that time on he is quite active and is documented repeatedly. If Roger1 was a brother of Rufus, and if the two arrived together in 1641 or so, one would think there would be some Roger1 Barton documentation during the 21 or 22 years between 1641 and 1662. There is not. >From the literature, one learns that more than a few people have gone through records in England (at least) searching for a Roger Barton that fits any of the various theories. There isn't any. I think it is good that everyone add their thoughts and data to this subject. As individuals, we are all free to believe whatever we wish and to include whatever Roger Barton ancestry we desire in our own family histories. However, I do object to including undocumented Roger Barton ancestries in family trees which are submitted to public view such as the FTM, RootsWeb and the LDS. In my opinion, it is not helpful to anyone to publish undocumented genealogy, especially since the subject at hand has been thoroughly researched for over 70 years without any supporting evidence being uncovered. If you wish, McCracken does suggest a brother of Roger Barton. See page 179 of Vol 106 (July 1952 issue). McCracken notes a William Barton in New Jersey, and writes, "This William Barton cannot have been a son of Roger1 Barton but he may have been a nephew." One cannot have a nephew with the same surname without a brother. Voge writes that there was a Thomas Barton in Burlington Co., NJ, in 1642, and that Roger's son Enoch died in southern NJ near where Thomas Barton's family lived. Voge thought that to be somewhat compelling. Jim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > started with. > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > it was English. > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > All suggestions welcome. > > Sheila Connolly > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > compare features. > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > any message from this list.