Can I say "I do not want em". I have the NY Bartons IGI sheets and can help other people now that my years of researching the old fashion way has finally paid off. I am so close to finishing my Barton line, just to prove three sibblings and this is the hardest part of all I am finding. But I love to help other people with all of the data that I have gathered. Especially people working on John. Dorothy ---------- > From: Jim Barton <jcbarto1@ix.netcom.com> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:46 PM > > Dorothy, Here are at least nine Thomas Barton's in the Roger Barton line. I may have missed > one. This is not to suggest there is any link to the Master of the Ship Fortune. They are just > something to add to your catalog. > > Thomas3 Barton (Elisha2, Roger1). > > Thomas3 Barton (Joseph2, Roger1). > > Thomas4 Barton (William3, Joseph2, Roger1). > > Thomas5 Barton (Elisha4, Roger3, Roger2, Roger1). > > Thomas5 Barton (Elisha 4, Thomas3, Elisha2, Roger1). > > Thomas5 Barton (Edward4, Elisha3, Roger2, Roger1). > > Thomas5 Barton (Gabriel4, Unk3, Elisha2, Roger1). > > Thomas6 Barton (Solomon5, Caleb4, Caleb3, Joseph2, Roger1). > > Thomas6 Barton (Smith5, Amos. A.4, Lewis3, Joseph2, Roger1). > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Dorothy wrote: > > > In all of my years of researching Bartons, have not found a Thomas > > anywhere. He is listed on the IGI sheets as a son of John & Lidea Barton > > b. 1680 Essex, Salem He m. Mary Willoughby 1 May 1710 then there is another > > m. to Rebecca Diamond in 1780 and one abt 1831 to a Mary ? Burris and a > > Thomas Anson Barton m. Minerva Snow 1830 Dorothy Muirhead > > > > ---------- > > > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > > > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > > > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:37 PM > > > > > > > > > Dear Sheila > > > You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect > > the dots. > > > Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed > > in > > > Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click > > here or > > > go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html > > > So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to > > our Edward > > > of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked > > to. We > > > hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for > > > responding .......................Leo > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

Dear Barbara Below is a copy from a Paul Barton web site click on it and it will take you there. http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~pwbarton/barton/i0000097.htm#s1 As you can see the Edward Barton moved around and on some Genealogy pages they refer to the Barton's being from different parts of New England. Hope this helps. Leo First Generation 1. Edward1 Barton was born circa 1620. Edward died June 1671 in Cape Porpoise, York, ME, at 50 years of age.(1) He married Elizabeth 1639 in Marblehead, MA.(2) (Additional notes for Elizabeth(3)) Elizabeth died after 1671/1672. In 1671 Elizabeth the widow of Edward, along with Griffin Montegue, gave bonds for L200 as security for Edwards estate which was valued at L81 with the house, lands and marsh valued at L40. Edward is the founder of our branch of the Barton family in America. His origins are unknown at this writing but he was established at Portsmouth, NH by 1646 when in August of that year Reynold Fernald was granted four acres of marsh at the great house at Little Harbor, on the Piscataqua and his grant mentions that he was bounded on the east by goodman Barton. He served in 1650 at Portsmouth as a trial juryman and in 1651 was brought to court for beating his wife. He received additional grants of land at Portsmouth in 1652 and 1653 and served as a grand juryman in 1656 and as a coroner's juryman in 1657, the same year in which he took the oath of fidelity at Exeter, NH to the Massachussetts Bay government. At the town meeting of March 20, 1656 James Johnson, William Seavey and Anthony Bracket were directed to settle a land dispute between Edward and Nicholas Row. In June of 1656, at Portsmouth, Susannah Trimmings, wife of Oliver Trimmings of Little Harbor, complained that she had been bewitched by Jane Walford, wife of Thomas Walford, formerly the first settler of Charlestown and among the witnesses was Eliza Barton, Edward's wife who testified to Susannah's unusual physical appearance. At the town meetings between 1658 and 1666 he was among those who subscribed to the minister's salary in the amount of 15 shillings. Probably about 1666 Edward moved from Portsmouth to Cape Porpoise, ME and settled on a farm of about 300 acres which he bought from Anthony Littlefield. The move may have been occasioned by Edward being a loyalist to MA. The Maine farm was situated on Montague's Neck bounded by the sea, Cape Porpoise River and Montegue River. Indian troubles forced Edward, his wife and family to abandon the Cape Porpoise farm for safe haven at Salem where he purchased a house and land which later were exchanged for a house and lands at Marblehead. His estate with the house, lands and marsh at Cape Porpoise and other property was valued at £ 81. Edward Barton and Elizabeth had the following children: + 2 i. William2 Barton. 3 ii. Benjaman Barton. He was at Kennebec in 1672 when Ruth Berry claimed land to the East of his. 4 iii. Joshua Barton. + 5 iv. Matthew Barton was born circa 1640. 6 v. Edward Barton was born circa 1647. In 1672 Edward and brother Benjamin (see below) Barton were among the petitioners at Cape Newagen, ME to the Massachussetts Bay Goverment for protection; and in 1674 Edward took the oath of fidelity both at Pemiquid and at Salem. He was a soldier in King Phillips war and was mentioned as being at the garrison at Mendon, now in Worcester County. In 1674 the General Court ordered that he be allowed to "keep a house of public entertainment and to retail beere, wyne and liquers at Cape Bonewagon in Boothbay Southport. He was jailed in Boston for resisting the draft for a Maine expedition and filed a suit there in 1682. 7 vi. Elisha Barton was born circa 1655. Elisha died after 1688/1689 in Kittery, York, ME. He married Mary Crockett. Mary was the daughter of Thomas Crockett and Ann Lynn Gunnison. Elisha and Ephriam Crockett registered an agreement at the Court of Sessions 28 October 1684 in York whereby for the sum of 12 pounds Elisha discharges his wife's right to her father's estate. The sum was payable over three years at 4 pounds a year. + 8 vii. Mary Barton was born circa 1657. Brassell wrote: > Have any of you researched the 17th Century Bartns of MD and VA? No link? > Barbara B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > > > > >Dear Sheila > >You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the > dots. > >Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in > >Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click > here or > >go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html > >So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our > Edward > >of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. > We > >hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for > >responding .......................Leo > > > >Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to > have > >> triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions > that I > >> started with. > >> > >> Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to > New > >> Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was > Roger? > >> Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > >> originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't > even > >> get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family > thought > >> it was English. > >> > >> Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone > have > >> any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not > sure > >> which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother > William? > >> Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. > But > >> that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > >> Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > >> > >> And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of > Mary > >> Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, > or > >> Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > >> against the Barton Index and found none of them. > >> > >> My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling > they > >> tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > >> background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early > ship's > >> captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > >> (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family > associated > >> with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no > ship), > >> and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > >> > >> All suggestions welcome. > >> > >> Sheila Connolly > >> > >> P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants > to > >> compare features. > >> > >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > >> All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their > writers. > >> Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > >> any message from this list. > > > > > >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > >Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > >for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other > helpful genealogy pages. > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

Dorothy, Here are at least nine Thomas Barton's in the Roger Barton line. I may have missed one. This is not to suggest there is any link to the Master of the Ship Fortune. They are just something to add to your catalog. Thomas3 Barton (Elisha2, Roger1). Thomas3 Barton (Joseph2, Roger1). Thomas4 Barton (William3, Joseph2, Roger1). Thomas5 Barton (Elisha4, Roger3, Roger2, Roger1). Thomas5 Barton (Elisha 4, Thomas3, Elisha2, Roger1). Thomas5 Barton (Edward4, Elisha3, Roger2, Roger1). Thomas5 Barton (Gabriel4, Unk3, Elisha2, Roger1). Thomas6 Barton (Solomon5, Caleb4, Caleb3, Joseph2, Roger1). Thomas6 Barton (Smith5, Amos. A.4, Lewis3, Joseph2, Roger1). - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dorothy wrote: > In all of my years of researching Bartons, have not found a Thomas > anywhere. He is listed on the IGI sheets as a son of John & Lidea Barton > b. 1680 Essex, Salem He m. Mary Willoughby 1 May 1710 then there is another > m. to Rebecca Diamond in 1780 and one abt 1831 to a Mary ? Burris and a > Thomas Anson Barton m. Minerva Snow 1830 Dorothy Muirhead > > ---------- > > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:37 PM > > > > > > Dear Sheila > > You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect > the dots. > > Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed > in > > Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click > here or > > go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html > > So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to > our Edward > > of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked > to. We > > hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for > > responding .......................Leo

Dear Jim I agree with about people adding un-documented info but we do need a forum or something to be able to view these assertions so we can investigate them and try to validate or discard them. I am new to a great deal about Genealogy but I and many others have run into many inconsistencies. Some of which include people referring to others as brother or sister and people using their middle name or baptismal name. We are dealing with people that were not well schooled or that came from different nationalities that changed their names for a multitude of reasons. I guess that is what makes it so much fun. You mention a Captain Edward Barton that intrigues me could he be related to the Ship Master Thomas Barton that sailed the ship " Fortune " that landed in PLymouth in 1621 ?? All the recent dialog we've received in the last few days is quite exciting. Thanks for responding................Leo Jim Barton wrote: > Shiela, > > Please see McCracken's "Roger Barton of Westchester County, NY." I don't keep all the > e-mail, but as I recall, you were interested in a Peter Barton married to Esther Howland > with a son Daniel. > > Roger1 Barton 1628 - 1688, Mary ______ > Joseph2 Barton abt 1672 - 1762, 2nd wife, Abigail4 Lewis (Philip3, William2, William1) > Caleb3 Barton abt 1725 - 1819, Rose _______ > Peter4 Barton abt 1756 - ab 1818, Esther Howland. > Daniel5 Barton 1789 - > Or Peter5 Barton 1799 then Daniel6 if there was one. > > McCracken did not carry this family beyond what is above, the generation of Daniel5 and > Peter5. > > Peter4 was born in Nine Partners, Dutchess, Co., NY and died in Kinderhook, Columbia Co., > NY. Thus he was probably a Quaker. He married Esther Howland on Dec. 21, 1781. She is the > daughter of Samuel Howland, and was recorded in Pawling in the 1800 census. > > As you have found from the recent messages, the question of Roger Barton's ancestry has > contradictory answers. We have one current entry from Wales, another from Holland. Thus we > add the entry from Barbadoes, and several more. > > Writing in the N.Y. Gen. & Biogr. Rec. in 1928, Dr. Joshua Lindley Barton suggested that > Roger and Rufus were the sons of Edward Barton, a sea-captain. He suggested that the two > sons came from Barbadoes to the Island of Manhattan about 1641. He suggested that Rufus > went shortly thereafter to Rhode Island, and Roger settled among the Dutch and leased land > from Reverend Everardus Bogardus in 1642. McCracken proved that Rufus Barton, not Roger, > signed the lease. This was published in The American Genealogist in July, 1951. > > A recent message on this mailing list suggested that since it was Rufus who signed the > lease, he probably just turned the lease over to Roger and went on his way to Rhode > Island. However, Roger1 testified in 1688 that he was about 60 years old. Thus he was born > about 1628. Thus he would have been about 14 years old when the lease was signed in 1642. > It would take a lot of faith to turn over a property to a 14 year-old boy, especially > since it was among a people of another country, i.e, Dutch, not English. > > In 1937, Adolph Law Voge mentioned the stories extant at that time. One was, of course, > Captain Edward Barton in Barbadoes as the father of Roger. Another says one brother went > to Oxford, MA, one to Philadelphia and one to Dutchess Co. Another that three brothers > came to New York, one remained, one went to New England and one went South. These two are > not necessarily inconsistent. > > Voge also suggests a Roger Barton born in Walton, six miles north of Liverpool, England. > He has no known brothers. His father is Thomas, not Edward. > > The first documented mention of Roger1 Barton is in 1662 in Brookhaven, Long Island. From > that time on he is quite active and is documented repeatedly. If Roger1 was a brother of > Rufus, and if the two arrived together in 1641 or so, one would think there would be some > Roger1 Barton documentation during the 21 or 22 years between 1641 and 1662. There is not. > > >From the literature, one learns that more than a few people have gone through records in > England (at least) searching for a Roger Barton that fits any of the various theories. > There isn't any. > > I think it is good that everyone add their thoughts and data to this subject. As > individuals, we are all free to believe whatever we wish and to include whatever Roger > Barton ancestry we desire in our own family histories. However, I do object to including > undocumented Roger Barton ancestries in family trees which are submitted to public view > such as the FTM, RootsWeb and the LDS. In my opinion, it is not helpful to anyone to > publish undocumented genealogy, especially since the subject at hand has been thoroughly > researched for over 70 years without any supporting evidence being uncovered. > > If you wish, McCracken does suggest a brother of Roger Barton. See page 179 of Vol 106 > (July 1952 issue). McCracken notes a William Barton in New Jersey, and writes, "This > William Barton cannot have been a son of Roger1 Barton but he may have been a nephew." One > cannot have a nephew with the same surname without a brother. Voge writes that there was a > Thomas Barton in Burlington Co., NJ, in 1642, and that Roger's son Enoch died in southern > NJ near where Thomas Barton's family lived. Voge thought that to be somewhat compelling. > > Jim > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > > started with. > > > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > > it was English. > > > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > > > All suggestions welcome. > > > > Sheila Connolly > > > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > > compare features. > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > > any message from this list. > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves.

I have the IGI sheets for both MD & VA can I look up something? Dorothy Muirhead@inebraska.com ---------- > From: Brassell <bbrassell@mindspring.com> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 4:50 PM > > > > > > Have any of you researched the 17th Century Bartns of MD and VA? No link? > Barbara B. > -----Original Message----- > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:38 PM > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > > > > > >Dear Sheila > >You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the > dots. > >Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in > >Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click > here or > >go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html > >So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our > Edward > >of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. > We > >hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for > >responding .......................Leo > > > >Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > >> Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to > have > >> triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions > that I > >> started with. > >> > >> Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to > New > >> Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was > Roger? > >> Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > >> originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't > even > >> get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family > thought > >> it was English. > >> > >> Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone > have > >> any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not > sure > >> which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother > William? > >> Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. > But > >> that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > >> Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > >> > >> And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of > Mary > >> Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, > or > >> Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > >> against the Barton Index and found none of them. > >> > >> My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling > they > >> tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > >> background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early > ship's > >> captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > >> (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family > associated > >> with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no > ship), > >> and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > >> > >> All suggestions welcome. > >> > >> Sheila Connolly > >> > >> P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants > to > >> compare features. > >> > >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > >> All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their > writers. > >> Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > >> any message from this list. > > > > > >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > >Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > >for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other > helpful genealogy pages. > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

In all of my years of researching Bartons, have not found a Thomas anywhere. He is listed on the IGI sheets as a son of John & Lidea Barton b. 1680 Essex, Salem He m. Mary Willoughby 1 May 1710 then there is another m. to Rebecca Diamond in 1780 and one abt 1831 to a Mary ? Burris and a Thomas Anson Barton m. Minerva Snow 1830 Dorothy Muirhead ---------- > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:37 PM > > > Dear Sheila > You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the dots. > Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in > Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click here or > go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html > So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our Edward > of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. We > hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for > responding .......................Leo > > Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > > started with. > > > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > > it was English. > > > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > > > All suggestions welcome. > > > > Sheila Connolly > > > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > > compare features. > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > > any message from this list. > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

I found a Daniel born born 21 Jul 1768 in Worchester, Oxford to Reuben & Catherine Learned Barton and they also had a William b. 26 Aug 1762 in Worchester, Charlton or Spencer.\ On the Mass IGI sheets There are 53 of them x 08 cents per page plus a little tx and postage. Dorothy Muirhead@inebraska.com ---------- > From: Sheila328@aol.com > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 12:48 PM > > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > started with. > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > it was English. > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > All suggestions welcome. > > Sheila Connolly > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > compare features. > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > any message from this list.

Have any of you researched the 17th Century Bartns of MD and VA? No link? Barbara B. -----Original Message----- From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:38 PM Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > >Dear Sheila >You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the dots. >Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in >Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click here or >go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html >So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our Edward >of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. We >hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for >responding .......................Leo > >Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > >> Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have >> triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I >> started with. >> >> Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New >> Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? >> Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons >> originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even >> get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought >> it was English. >> >> Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have >> any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure >> which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? >> Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But >> that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, >> Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) >> >> And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary >> Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or >> Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names >> against the Barton Index and found none of them. >> >> My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they >> tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky >> background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's >> captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies >> (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated >> with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), >> and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? >> >> All suggestions welcome. >> >> Sheila Connolly >> >> P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to >> compare features. >> >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >> All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. >> Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing >> any message from this list. > > >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html >for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages. >

Dear Sheila You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the dots. Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click here or go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our Edward of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. We hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for responding .......................Leo Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > started with. > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > it was English. > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > All suggestions welcome. > > Sheila Connolly > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > compare features. > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > any message from this list.

---------- > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in Massachusetts & New York > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 11:46 AM > > I am looking for a connection between the Edward Barton ca.1620-1671 at: > http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~pwbarton/barton/nindex.htm#sx > And the Barton' of New York. I also see that Towne is also listed in the index. Some believe that > Edward Barton had at least 3 brothers that came to America with him but settled in New York and > other parts of New England. Edwards grand son Samuel > married Hannah Bridges circa 1690. Hannah was born June 9, 1669 in Salem, Essex, MA. Hannah was > the daughter of > Edmond Bridges and Sarah Towne. Let me know if any of this > helps..........................................Leo Barton > > Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > I'm new to this list, so I'll give you all that I know and hope that someone > > will come up with a connection. > > > > The furthest back I can take my Barton line at the moment is to Daniel W. > > Barton (1788-1859), who was said to come from New York, and who died in Ware, > > MA. He married Vila Towne (1792-1858) from Massachusetts (I don't have a > > year for the marriage). They had nine children: > > > > Mary Anne (1811-1885) > > Silas Demey Kellogg (1813-1886) > > Hannah (1816-1818) > > Robert Loveland (1818-?) > > Eunice (1821-1840) > > Fannie (1823-1845) > > William F. (1825-1862) > > Charles B. (1830-1869) > > Andrew (1837-1839) > > > > Daniel apparently had a brother William (b. 1775)(I don't know where). > > > > Silas is my direct ancestor. He married Eliza Johnson (1811-1873), who was > > born in Moriah NY. They had seven children: > > > > Willard Allen (1838-1865) > > Henry Byron (1839-1911) > > Vila Mariah (1841-1926) > > Daniel Moody (1843-1913) > > Betsy Ann (1845-1846) > > Silas Abbott (1846-1914) > > Mary Elizabeth (1848-1869) > > > > They all stuck pretty close to Massachusetts (most are buried in Ware, MA). > > Silas A. was my great-great-grandfather, and I have a letter and a few notes > > in his hand. He was instrumental in founding the General Electric Company in > > Lynn, MA, and I believe his brother Henry worked for them in Schenectady NY, > > where he is buried. Vila taught at Smith College and never married. > > > > The only other historical point of interest comes from a letter written by an > > aged cousin to my great-grandmother (Silas's only child) when she was working > > on the family genealogy. In this letter in 1928 he said something to the > > effect that there was something irregular in the Barton history, and perhaps > > my great-grandmother did not want to probe too closely... (this after noting > > that someone in another family line had had to hurry up a wedding a little, > > according to the dates in the family bible!). > > > > While some of the above died young or unmarried, I know that some of them did > > marry, and I'm hoping there are descendants out there somewhere. Also, I'd > > like to take the line back from Daniel, but I'm not sure where to look. Any > > suggestions? > > > > Sheila Connolly > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves. > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at http://www.rootsweb.com

Julie, Do you know the time frame and place of your Margaret Barton? Linda

Shiela, Please see McCracken's "Roger Barton of Westchester County, NY." I don't keep all the e-mail, but as I recall, you were interested in a Peter Barton married to Esther Howland with a son Daniel. Roger1 Barton 1628 - 1688, Mary ______ Joseph2 Barton abt 1672 - 1762, 2nd wife, Abigail4 Lewis (Philip3, William2, William1) Caleb3 Barton abt 1725 - 1819, Rose _______ Peter4 Barton abt 1756 - ab 1818, Esther Howland. Daniel5 Barton 1789 - Or Peter5 Barton 1799 then Daniel6 if there was one. McCracken did not carry this family beyond what is above, the generation of Daniel5 and Peter5. Peter4 was born in Nine Partners, Dutchess, Co., NY and died in Kinderhook, Columbia Co., NY. Thus he was probably a Quaker. He married Esther Howland on Dec. 21, 1781. She is the daughter of Samuel Howland, and was recorded in Pawling in the 1800 census. As you have found from the recent messages, the question of Roger Barton's ancestry has contradictory answers. We have one current entry from Wales, another from Holland. Thus we add the entry from Barbadoes, and several more. Writing in the N.Y. Gen. & Biogr. Rec. in 1928, Dr. Joshua Lindley Barton suggested that Roger and Rufus were the sons of Edward Barton, a sea-captain. He suggested that the two sons came from Barbadoes to the Island of Manhattan about 1641. He suggested that Rufus went shortly thereafter to Rhode Island, and Roger settled among the Dutch and leased land from Reverend Everardus Bogardus in 1642. McCracken proved that Rufus Barton, not Roger, signed the lease. This was published in The American Genealogist in July, 1951. A recent message on this mailing list suggested that since it was Rufus who signed the lease, he probably just turned the lease over to Roger and went on his way to Rhode Island. However, Roger1 testified in 1688 that he was about 60 years old. Thus he was born about 1628. Thus he would have been about 14 years old when the lease was signed in 1642. It would take a lot of faith to turn over a property to a 14 year-old boy, especially since it was among a people of another country, i.e, Dutch, not English. In 1937, Adolph Law Voge mentioned the stories extant at that time. One was, of course, Captain Edward Barton in Barbadoes as the father of Roger. Another says one brother went to Oxford, MA, one to Philadelphia and one to Dutchess Co. Another that three brothers came to New York, one remained, one went to New England and one went South. These two are not necessarily inconsistent. Voge also suggests a Roger Barton born in Walton, six miles north of Liverpool, England. He has no known brothers. His father is Thomas, not Edward. The first documented mention of Roger1 Barton is in 1662 in Brookhaven, Long Island. From that time on he is quite active and is documented repeatedly. If Roger1 was a brother of Rufus, and if the two arrived together in 1641 or so, one would think there would be some Roger1 Barton documentation during the 21 or 22 years between 1641 and 1662. There is not. >From the literature, one learns that more than a few people have gone through records in England (at least) searching for a Roger Barton that fits any of the various theories. There isn't any. I think it is good that everyone add their thoughts and data to this subject. As individuals, we are all free to believe whatever we wish and to include whatever Roger Barton ancestry we desire in our own family histories. However, I do object to including undocumented Roger Barton ancestries in family trees which are submitted to public view such as the FTM, RootsWeb and the LDS. In my opinion, it is not helpful to anyone to publish undocumented genealogy, especially since the subject at hand has been thoroughly researched for over 70 years without any supporting evidence being uncovered. If you wish, McCracken does suggest a brother of Roger Barton. See page 179 of Vol 106 (July 1952 issue). McCracken notes a William Barton in New Jersey, and writes, "This William Barton cannot have been a son of Roger1 Barton but he may have been a nephew." One cannot have a nephew with the same surname without a brother. Voge writes that there was a Thomas Barton in Burlington Co., NJ, in 1642, and that Roger's son Enoch died in southern NJ near where Thomas Barton's family lived. Voge thought that to be somewhat compelling. Jim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > started with. > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > it was English. > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > All suggestions welcome. > > Sheila Connolly > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > compare features. > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > any message from this list.

Hi Bartons, I just found out the other day, where my father got the middle name of BARTON from. All I was ever told was the middle names came from cousins of the Campbells & Ellises. Now it looks like one of my GGG grandmothers was a BARTON.I have gone back as far I can at the moment, so this is all I know. Maybe this info will help someone with their search. Does anyone know the parents of Margaret BARTON? Julie Campbell-Peters my father: Vincent BARTON Campbell his twin : Vernon ABBOTT Campbell born Egremont Twp, Grey County, Ontario, Canada THEIR MOTHER: Christina Mae Miller Ellis & John Ritchie Campbell b/Ontario m/1905 Christina Ellis' parents: Janet Pride & Joseph Ellis (Janet born in Glasgow) (Joseph, Ontario) Janet Pride's parents: Christian Miller & David Pride m/ Oct 18, 1846, Barony, Lanark, Scotland Christian Miller's parents: William Miller & Margaret BARTON m/May 23, 1824 Glasgow THEIR FATHER: John Ritchie Campbell & Christina Mae Miller Ellis John R. Campbell's parents: Annie ABBOTT & William John Campbell m/1878 Ontario Annie Abbott's parents: John Abbott & Elizabeth Mahoney

If you read the Barton List. Betsey Barton Perra has written several times. She lives in R.I. and she really knows her Bartons. And so much of the old genealogy, they were wrong about who was a brother to whom. This booklet was written by a Rev. Barton. You can read it and make up your own mind. Dorothy ---------- > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in Massachusetts & New York > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 10:10 PM > > > I agree with you about word of mouth history. Here is something that intrigues me that you might find interesting. Below is an > excerpt from http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6804/bartonhistory.htm " The History of the Barton Family " > by Alvin Barton 1846 second page. > Grandfather Barton's wife was Hepzibah Stow who had a brother Jonathan and Josiah and how many > other relatives, I know not. Some of my progenitors, either by Grandfather or Grandmother were named > Brown and More. Grandfather's grandfather or great grandfather emigrated from Wales. There were four > brothers of them; one settled in New York, one in Rhode Island, one in Mass. and the fourth went back. > They were shipwrecked coming over. I sprang from the Mass. Bartons. I know nothing of these ancient > Bartons except one was Penuel Barton. My great grandfather's name was Joshua Barton. His sons were > Joshua, Reuben, and Nathan, besides Grandfather. He had a daughter Anna who married a Robinson, > another who married a Rich and how many others I have no means of ascertaining. Grandfather had a > second wife, Amy Allen and married one Persis Livermore. My Mother was Hannah Dix, daughter of > Benjamin Dix of Scotch descent and Mehitable Sanderson of Danish origin. Pease see the complete document at the above > address..........................................................Leo > > BBPERRA@aol.com wrote: > > > Ok, now how is the Rufus line related to the decendants of Edward? There is > > still no proof that Rufus was son of Edward to my knowledge. Unless that > > Edward and Rufus were brothers. What are Edwards b & d dates in relation to > > Rufus b date? I still believe in the family lore until someone can > > document. My original family oral history says four brothers came from > > Holland to New Amsterdam, and then very shortly to New England. Rufus to RI, > > others to Mass, Maine. and no location of the fourth. THat could have been > > Roger who stayed in NY according to recent documents. No family lore > > mentions the Barbadoes. I'm glad you finally found your line. I know I > > have my direct line back to Rufus. They all stayed on the original farm down > > to my ggfather, and he was up Division Street about 7 miles. Then moved to > > my present location in 1857.In a family that had such long livers, oral > > history dosen't get changed much. My ggfather's father was born in 1785. > > Puts it back there quickly, right? I really wish we could document Rufus > > parentage. that might unravel a bunch of stuff. Also the wide spread of > > the ages of the children leads to overlaping of generations. Only time will > > tell. Hope you are well, and coping with your daily tasks. God Bless. > > Betsey > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at http://www.rootsweb.com

You are into the Oxford Bartons. I have this little booklet on the whole family, showing names of children etc. I studied the two Nathans, for I was so sure at one time I would be related to him but I hit a brick wall and then I went back to R.I. and low and behold my Oxford Barton came to Providence and its a long story. Send me you mailing address and I will send this to you. Nathan 5 1734 m. his 1st cousin Tamar Barton and #2 Lydia Rice. By Tamar they had Nation 1764-1768 and then they had another Nathan 17790 whoi m. Sarah Burroughs. This booklet does not go forward with this Nathan. I can check my files to see what I found on them. This was the line I worked so hard on. You probably have more ond Nathan 6 and his family from there. But the booklet will fill in the past. I am now very confident that I come off Edward, Matthew, Samuel to Caleb to John, to John to John that went to Providence.,Dorothy ---------- > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in Massachusetts & New York > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 9:37 PM > > Dear Dorothy > Thank you for responding. It sounds like you are the person I've been looking for. This is my family > line. > 2461. Max10 Barton (Lewis Wilson9, Reuben Almon8, > Reuben7, Nathan6, Nathan5, Joshua4, Samuel3, Matthew2, > Edward1)(1484) was born in Meadville, NE 26 December > 1908. Max died April 1982 at 73 years of age. > > He married twice. He married Rose Novey 3 July 1930 in > Valentine, NE. He married Mary Angeline Becker 6 April 1938. > > Max Barton and Rose Novey had the following child: > > 2837 i. Joan11 Barton (living status unknown). > > Max Barton and Mary Angeline Becker had the following children: > > + 2838 ii. William Barton (still alive). > > 2839 iii. Leo Barton (still alive). > My father,Grandfather, and a lot of aunts and uncles were born in Meadville, Nebraska My Great > Grandfather homesteaded there also. Is the Joseph Barton you refer to in your letter the same as this > Joseph: > > > 23. Benjamin3 Barton (Matthew2, Edward1) was born in Salem, Essex, MA October 10, 1708. > > He married Mary wife of Benjamin Barton. > > This may be the Benjamin Barton who appraised Robert McIntire's estate in 1752. McIntire was of St. > George's and ran a > sloop from there to York and Boston. > > Benjamin Barton and Mary wife of Benjamin Barton had the following child: > > 63 i. Joseph4 Barton was born in Leicester, Worcester, MA December 11, 1728. > > I have been attempting to confirm that Edward Barton came to America with 3 or 4 brothers and possibly a > Father. I believe the brothers settled in N.Y. The brothers named Rufus,Marmaduke,Thomas and possibly > Roger or William. If you could help me solve some of these mysteries I would appreciate it very much. > How may I obtain the NY & Mass.IGI sheets you mention? > Thanks again for offering to help..........................................Leo > > > > > > Dorothy wrote: > > > On the NY IGI sheets for Barton I found Daniel born 1789/92 son of Peter > > Barton & Esther Howland. It looks like Peter also had a Jr. born 1797 and > > that Peter Sr. was the son of Caleb & Rose Palmer Barton and this Caleb > > was the son of Joseph & Abigail Lewis Barton born 1723/8. I can follow > > this back, have been off line for a few days. I can send you copies of the > > NY Bartons and I have all of the MA IGI sheets. Will get back to you. > > Dorothy Scott Muirhead@inebraska.com > > > > ---------- > > > From: Sheila328@aol.com > > > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [BARTON-L] Bartons in Massachusetts & New York > > > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 8:15 AM > > > > > > I'm new to this list, so I'll give you all that I know and hope that > > someone > > > will come up with a connection. > > > > > > The furthest back I can take my Barton line at the moment is to Daniel W. > > > > > Barton (1788-1859), who was said to come from New York, and who died in > > Ware, > > > MA. He married Vila Towne (1792-1858) from Massachusetts (I don't have a > > > > > year for the marriage). They had nine children: > > > > > > Mary Anne (1811-1885) > > > Silas Demey Kellogg (1813-1886) > > > Hannah (1816-1818) > > > Robert Loveland (1818-?) > > > Eunice (1821-1840) > > > Fannie (1823-1845) > > > William F. (1825-1862) > > > Charles B. (1830-1869) > > > Andrew (1837-1839) > > > > > > Daniel apparently had a brother William (b. 1775)(I don't know where). > > > > > > Silas is my direct ancestor. He married Eliza Johnson (1811-1873), who > > was > > > born in Moriah NY. They had seven children: > > > > > > Willard Allen (1838-1865) > > > Henry Byron (1839-1911) > > > Vila Mariah (1841-1926) > > > Daniel Moody (1843-1913) > > > Betsy Ann (1845-1846) > > > Silas Abbott (1846-1914) > > > Mary Elizabeth (1848-1869) > > > > > > They all stuck pretty close to Massachusetts (most are buried in Ware, > > MA). > > > Silas A. was my great-great-grandfather, and I have a letter and a few > > notes > > > in his hand. He was instrumental in founding the General Electric > > Company in > > > Lynn, MA, and I believe his brother Henry worked for them in Schenectady > > NY, > > > where he is buried. Vila taught at Smith College and never married. > > > > > > The only other historical point of interest comes from a letter written > > by an > > > aged cousin to my great-grandmother (Silas's only child) when she was > > working > > > on the family genealogy. In this letter in 1928 he said something to the > > > > > effect that there was something irregular in the Barton history, and > > perhaps > > > my great-grandmother did not want to probe too closely... (this after > > noting > > > that someone in another family line had had to hurry up a wedding a > > little, > > > according to the dates in the family bible!). > > > > > > While some of the above died young or unmarried, I know that some of them > > did > > > marry, and I'm hoping there are descendants out there somewhere. Also, > > I'd > > > like to take the line back from Daniel, but I'm not sure where to look. > > Any > > > suggestions? > > > > > > Sheila Connolly > > > > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the > > copyright owner themselves. > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages. > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi Calvert Brogan at christib@satx.rr.com

Would you please email that pic to me I'd love to see it. JClara Mom YMik 1s t born Son YACE 2nd Son ( Rat terrier)

Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I started with. Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought it was English. Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names against the Barton Index and found none of them. My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? All suggestions welcome. Sheila Connolly P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to compare features.

I agree with you about word of mouth history. Here is something that intrigues me that you might find interesting. Below is an excerpt from http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/6804/bartonhistory.htm " The History of the Barton Family " by Alvin Barton 1846 second page. Grandfather Barton's wife was Hepzibah Stow who had a brother Jonathan and Josiah and how many other relatives, I know not. Some of my progenitors, either by Grandfather or Grandmother were named Brown and More. Grandfather's grandfather or great grandfather emigrated from Wales. There were four brothers of them; one settled in New York, one in Rhode Island, one in Mass. and the fourth went back. They were shipwrecked coming over. I sprang from the Mass. Bartons. I know nothing of these ancient Bartons except one was Penuel Barton. My great grandfather's name was Joshua Barton. His sons were Joshua, Reuben, and Nathan, besides Grandfather. He had a daughter Anna who married a Robinson, another who married a Rich and how many others I have no means of ascertaining. Grandfather had a second wife, Amy Allen and married one Persis Livermore. My Mother was Hannah Dix, daughter of Benjamin Dix of Scotch descent and Mehitable Sanderson of Danish origin. Pease see the complete document at the above address..........................................................Leo BBPERRA@aol.com wrote: > Ok, now how is the Rufus line related to the decendants of Edward? There is > still no proof that Rufus was son of Edward to my knowledge. Unless that > Edward and Rufus were brothers. What are Edwards b & d dates in relation to > Rufus b date? I still believe in the family lore until someone can > document. My original family oral history says four brothers came from > Holland to New Amsterdam, and then very shortly to New England. Rufus to RI, > others to Mass, Maine. and no location of the fourth. THat could have been > Roger who stayed in NY according to recent documents. No family lore > mentions the Barbadoes. I'm glad you finally found your line. I know I > have my direct line back to Rufus. They all stayed on the original farm down > to my ggfather, and he was up Division Street about 7 miles. Then moved to > my present location in 1857.In a family that had such long livers, oral > history dosen't get changed much. My ggfather's father was born in 1785. > Puts it back there quickly, right? I really wish we could document Rufus > parentage. that might unravel a bunch of stuff. Also the wide spread of > the ages of the children leads to overlaping of generations. Only time will > tell. Hope you are well, and coping with your daily tasks. God Bless. > Betsey > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at http://www.rootsweb.com

Dear Dorothy Thank you for responding. It sounds like you are the person I've been looking for. This is my family line. 2461. Max10 Barton (Lewis Wilson9, Reuben Almon8, Reuben7, Nathan6, Nathan5, Joshua4, Samuel3, Matthew2, Edward1)(1484) was born in Meadville, NE 26 December 1908. Max died April 1982 at 73 years of age. He married twice. He married Rose Novey 3 July 1930 in Valentine, NE. He married Mary Angeline Becker 6 April 1938. Max Barton and Rose Novey had the following child: 2837 i. Joan11 Barton (living status unknown). Max Barton and Mary Angeline Becker had the following children: + 2838 ii. William Barton (still alive). 2839 iii. Leo Barton (still alive). My father,Grandfather, and a lot of aunts and uncles were born in Meadville, Nebraska My Great Grandfather homesteaded there also. Is the Joseph Barton you refer to in your letter the same as this Joseph: 23. Benjamin3 Barton (Matthew2, Edward1) was born in Salem, Essex, MA October 10, 1708. He married Mary wife of Benjamin Barton. This may be the Benjamin Barton who appraised Robert McIntire's estate in 1752. McIntire was of St. George's and ran a sloop from there to York and Boston. Benjamin Barton and Mary wife of Benjamin Barton had the following child: 63 i. Joseph4 Barton was born in Leicester, Worcester, MA December 11, 1728. I have been attempting to confirm that Edward Barton came to America with 3 or 4 brothers and possibly a Father. I believe the brothers settled in N.Y. The brothers named Rufus,Marmaduke,Thomas and possibly Roger or William. If you could help me solve some of these mysteries I would appreciate it very much. How may I obtain the NY & Mass.IGI sheets you mention? Thanks again for offering to help..........................................Leo Dorothy wrote: > On the NY IGI sheets for Barton I found Daniel born 1789/92 son of Peter > Barton & Esther Howland. It looks like Peter also had a Jr. born 1797 and > that Peter Sr. was the son of Caleb & Rose Palmer Barton and this Caleb > was the son of Joseph & Abigail Lewis Barton born 1723/8. I can follow > this back, have been off line for a few days. I can send you copies of the > NY Bartons and I have all of the MA IGI sheets. Will get back to you. > Dorothy Scott Muirhead@inebraska.com > > ---------- > > From: Sheila328@aol.com > > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BARTON-L] Bartons in Massachusetts & New York > > Date: Tuesday, February 22, 2000 8:15 AM > > > > I'm new to this list, so I'll give you all that I know and hope that > someone > > will come up with a connection. > > > > The furthest back I can take my Barton line at the moment is to Daniel W. > > > Barton (1788-1859), who was said to come from New York, and who died in > Ware, > > MA. He married Vila Towne (1792-1858) from Massachusetts (I don't have a > > > year for the marriage). They had nine children: > > > > Mary Anne (1811-1885) > > Silas Demey Kellogg (1813-1886) > > Hannah (1816-1818) > > Robert Loveland (1818-?) > > Eunice (1821-1840) > > Fannie (1823-1845) > > William F. (1825-1862) > > Charles B. (1830-1869) > > Andrew (1837-1839) > > > > Daniel apparently had a brother William (b. 1775)(I don't know where). > > > > Silas is my direct ancestor. He married Eliza Johnson (1811-1873), who > was > > born in Moriah NY. They had seven children: > > > > Willard Allen (1838-1865) > > Henry Byron (1839-1911) > > Vila Mariah (1841-1926) > > Daniel Moody (1843-1913) > > Betsy Ann (1845-1846) > > Silas Abbott (1846-1914) > > Mary Elizabeth (1848-1869) > > > > They all stuck pretty close to Massachusetts (most are buried in Ware, > MA). > > Silas A. was my great-great-grandfather, and I have a letter and a few > notes > > in his hand. He was instrumental in founding the General Electric > Company in > > Lynn, MA, and I believe his brother Henry worked for them in Schenectady > NY, > > where he is buried. Vila taught at Smith College and never married. > > > > The only other historical point of interest comes from a letter written > by an > > aged cousin to my great-grandmother (Silas's only child) when she was > working > > on the family genealogy. In this letter in 1928 he said something to the > > > effect that there was something irregular in the Barton history, and > perhaps > > my great-grandmother did not want to probe too closely... (this after > noting > > that someone in another family line had had to hurry up a wedding a > little, > > according to the dates in the family bible!). > > > > While some of the above died young or unmarried, I know that some of them > did > > marry, and I'm hoping there are descendants out there somewhere. Also, > I'd > > like to take the line back from Daniel, but I'm not sure where to look. > Any > > suggestions? > > > > Sheila Connolly > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the > copyright owner themselves. > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

Hi Dorothy my Clara Elizabeth Barton was born in 1899 to Stephen R. Barton and Judith Basque/Burke . Stephen R. was born in Nova Scotia and his father Stephen Barton, was born there also. Judith Basque was born in Cape Breton To Savill and Lusy Basque .I don't know where Stephen Barton came from before he popped up in Canada I've got feelers out just no responses yet JClara Mom YMik 1s t born Son YACE 2nd Son ( Rat terrier)