`1847 would not be in England. I have both the Oxford Bartons and all of the MA Bartons but these Bartons desc from the early Bartons. I can check for marriages for Blow. Get back to you Dorothy ---------- > From: Darren & Leanne Button <btonvine@swanhill.net.au> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Barton > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 4:21 PM > > Hi Dorothy, > Just a favour, could you please look up the Oxford Barton genealogy for me. > I am chasing a George Barton born 1847. I presume in ENG. He married an > Ermina Blow. They had a son George Barton born in 1869 in Long Sutton's, > Lincolnshire, ENG. To whom my husband descends from. > Can you help, please!! > Thanks > Leanne > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dorothy" <muirhead@inebraska.com> > To: <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Barton > > > > Where are you getting in info that Edward is the father of Rufus. Not so. > > I have the Oxford Barton genealogy where Edward is the start of this > branch > > but I also have Bartons of R.I. which several of us have been researching > > for years. Two are direct desc of Wm. & Rhoda Carver Barton and the other > > Betsey Barton Perra who lives in R.I. comes down the same line. > > Dorothy Scott Muirhead@inebraska.com > > > > ---------- > > > From: Kenneth Johnson <kjohnson@iowahealth.net> > > > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > > > Subject: [BARTON-L] Barton > > > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:46 AM > > > > > > My direct Barton line begins with: > > > > > > Edward Barton, b. 1559 in England, d. 1671 in Cape Porporus, ME. His > > wife > > > was Elizabeth ?, b. Abt 1563 in England. Their son: > > > > > > Edward Barton b. 1585 in England, d. 1688 inWestchester, NY. He m. > > Mary > > > ?. > > > > > > Their son: Rufus Barton b. 1606 in England, d. 1648 in Portsmouth, RI > > > m. 1648 in Warwick, RI to Margaret Stafford b. 1603-1626 in Salisbury, > > > Eng. d. Bef 1648. > > > > > > Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1645 in RI d. 10/22/1720 in Warwick, > RI. > > > m. 6/10/1672 in Warwick, RI to Susannah Gorton > > > b. 1650 in Warwick d. 5/28/1734 in Roxbury, MA. > > > > > > Their son: Andrew Barton b. 1673 in RI d. 4/9/1723 in Warwick, RI > > > m. Rebecca Low, b. ?, d. Aft 1723. > > > > > > Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1703 in Warwick, RI d. 4/22/1773 in > > > Warren, RI > > > m. 5/26/1746 to Lydia Brown b. 4/28/1720 in > Swansea, > > MA > > > d. 10/9/1808 in Warren, RI > > > > > > Their son: William Barton (General) b. 5/26/1748 in Warren, RI d. > > > 10/22/1831 in Providence, RI > > > m. Rhoda Carver b. 10/9/1749 in Bridgewater, MA d. 12/15/1841 in > > RI > > > (Wm. was captured by the British in the Rev. War and made a dramatic > > escape > > > which is well documented) > > > > > > Their son: George Washington Barton b. 2/6/1776 in Providence, RI d. > > 1790 > > > at sea > > > m. Luthania Leland b. Abt 1770 d. Aft 1796 > > > > > > Their son: William Leland Barton b. 7/13/1796 in Providence, RI d. > 1865 > > in > > > KY > > > m. Mary (Polly) Thomason b. 8/22/1803 in Pendleton > > Co., > > > KY > > > d. 2/22/1875 in Pendleton Co., KY > > > > > > Their daughter: Luthania Leland Barton b. 2/26/1827 in Shelbyville, KY > > > d. 1/29/1915 in Shelbyville, KY > > > m. Elijah Yelton b. 1820 in Butler, KY d. 1910 in Butler, > > KY > > > > > > Elijah and Luthania were my great-great grandparents. > > > > > > I would appreciate any help in expanding the information I have on the > > > Bartons and their related families, Stafford, Gorton, Low, Brown, > > Carver, > > > Leland, Thomason, and Yelton. > > > > > > Ken Johnson > > > 401 3rd Street, Suite 203 > > > Des Moines, IA 50309 > > > (515) 243-2515 > > > > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a > > member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at > > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi > Calvert Brogan at christib@satx.rr.com > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves.

Hi Dorothy, Just a favour, could you please look up the Oxford Barton genealogy for me. I am chasing a George Barton born 1847. I presume in ENG. He married an Ermina Blow. They had a son George Barton born in 1869 in Long Sutton's, Lincolnshire, ENG. To whom my husband descends from. Can you help, please!! Thanks Leanne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dorothy" <muirhead@inebraska.com> To: <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Barton > Where are you getting in info that Edward is the father of Rufus. Not so. > I have the Oxford Barton genealogy where Edward is the start of this branch > but I also have Bartons of R.I. which several of us have been researching > for years. Two are direct desc of Wm. & Rhoda Carver Barton and the other > Betsey Barton Perra who lives in R.I. comes down the same line. > Dorothy Scott Muirhead@inebraska.com > > ---------- > > From: Kenneth Johnson <kjohnson@iowahealth.net> > > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: [BARTON-L] Barton > > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:46 AM > > > > My direct Barton line begins with: > > > > Edward Barton, b. 1559 in England, d. 1671 in Cape Porporus, ME. His > wife > > was Elizabeth ?, b. Abt 1563 in England. Their son: > > > > Edward Barton b. 1585 in England, d. 1688 inWestchester, NY. He m. > Mary > > ?. > > > > Their son: Rufus Barton b. 1606 in England, d. 1648 in Portsmouth, RI > > m. 1648 in Warwick, RI to Margaret Stafford b. 1603-1626 in Salisbury, > > Eng. d. Bef 1648. > > > > Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1645 in RI d. 10/22/1720 in Warwick, RI. > > m. 6/10/1672 in Warwick, RI to Susannah Gorton > > b. 1650 in Warwick d. 5/28/1734 in Roxbury, MA. > > > > Their son: Andrew Barton b. 1673 in RI d. 4/9/1723 in Warwick, RI > > m. Rebecca Low, b. ?, d. Aft 1723. > > > > Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1703 in Warwick, RI d. 4/22/1773 in > > Warren, RI > > m. 5/26/1746 to Lydia Brown b. 4/28/1720 in Swansea, > MA > > d. 10/9/1808 in Warren, RI > > > > Their son: William Barton (General) b. 5/26/1748 in Warren, RI d. > > 10/22/1831 in Providence, RI > > m. Rhoda Carver b. 10/9/1749 in Bridgewater, MA d. 12/15/1841 in > RI > > (Wm. was captured by the British in the Rev. War and made a dramatic > escape > > which is well documented) > > > > Their son: George Washington Barton b. 2/6/1776 in Providence, RI d. > 1790 > > at sea > > m. Luthania Leland b. Abt 1770 d. Aft 1796 > > > > Their son: William Leland Barton b. 7/13/1796 in Providence, RI d. 1865 > in > > KY > > m. Mary (Polly) Thomason b. 8/22/1803 in Pendleton > Co., > > KY > > d. 2/22/1875 in Pendleton Co., KY > > > > Their daughter: Luthania Leland Barton b. 2/26/1827 in Shelbyville, KY > > d. 1/29/1915 in Shelbyville, KY > > m. Elijah Yelton b. 1820 in Butler, KY d. 1910 in Butler, > KY > > > > Elijah and Luthania were my great-great grandparents. > > > > I would appreciate any help in expanding the information I have on the > > Bartons and their related families, Stafford, Gorton, Low, Brown, > Carver, > > Leland, Thomason, and Yelton. > > > > Ken Johnson > > 401 3rd Street, Suite 203 > > Des Moines, IA 50309 > > (515) 243-2515 > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a > member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at > http://www.rootsweb.com > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi Calvert Brogan at christib@satx.rr.com

Where are you getting in info that Edward is the father of Rufus. Not so. I have the Oxford Barton genealogy where Edward is the start of this branch but I also have Bartons of R.I. which several of us have been researching for years. Two are direct desc of Wm. & Rhoda Carver Barton and the other Betsey Barton Perra who lives in R.I. comes down the same line. Dorothy Scott Muirhead@inebraska.com ---------- > From: Kenneth Johnson <kjohnson@iowahealth.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BARTON-L] Barton > Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:46 AM > > My direct Barton line begins with: > > Edward Barton, b. 1559 in England, d. 1671 in Cape Porporus, ME. His wife > was Elizabeth ?, b. Abt 1563 in England. Their son: > > Edward Barton b. 1585 in England, d. 1688 inWestchester, NY. He m. Mary > ?. > > Their son: Rufus Barton b. 1606 in England, d. 1648 in Portsmouth, RI > m. 1648 in Warwick, RI to Margaret Stafford b. 1603-1626 in Salisbury, > Eng. d. Bef 1648. > > Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1645 in RI d. 10/22/1720 in Warwick, RI. > m. 6/10/1672 in Warwick, RI to Susannah Gorton > b. 1650 in Warwick d. 5/28/1734 in Roxbury, MA. > > Their son: Andrew Barton b. 1673 in RI d. 4/9/1723 in Warwick, RI > m. Rebecca Low, b. ?, d. Aft 1723. > > Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1703 in Warwick, RI d. 4/22/1773 in > Warren, RI > m. 5/26/1746 to Lydia Brown b. 4/28/1720 in Swansea, MA > d. 10/9/1808 in Warren, RI > > Their son: William Barton (General) b. 5/26/1748 in Warren, RI d. > 10/22/1831 in Providence, RI > m. Rhoda Carver b. 10/9/1749 in Bridgewater, MA d. 12/15/1841 in RI > (Wm. was captured by the British in the Rev. War and made a dramatic escape > which is well documented) > > Their son: George Washington Barton b. 2/6/1776 in Providence, RI d. 1790 > at sea > m. Luthania Leland b. Abt 1770 d. Aft 1796 > > Their son: William Leland Barton b. 7/13/1796 in Providence, RI d. 1865 in > KY > m. Mary (Polly) Thomason b. 8/22/1803 in Pendleton Co., > KY > d. 2/22/1875 in Pendleton Co., KY > > Their daughter: Luthania Leland Barton b. 2/26/1827 in Shelbyville, KY > d. 1/29/1915 in Shelbyville, KY > m. Elijah Yelton b. 1820 in Butler, KY d. 1910 in Butler, KY > > Elijah and Luthania were my great-great grandparents. > > I would appreciate any help in expanding the information I have on the > Bartons and their related families, Stafford, Gorton, Low, Brown, Carver, > Leland, Thomason, and Yelton. > > Ken Johnson > 401 3rd Street, Suite 203 > Des Moines, IA 50309 > (515) 243-2515 > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at http://www.rootsweb.com

Hi Ken, Saw your email & just wanted to ask if you ever come across having a Martha N. Barton on your family tree? Please contact me. Have not been able to find anything on her w/ one exception. She married my G Grandfather Robert Simon Bell in Indian Territory 10-13-1871, now known as Oklahoma & Woodville is the town. They had three children to which one was named Joseph Bell but do not have the names of the other two. Can't find her in any cemeteries in Oklahoma thus far. She died & he remarried in 10-1-1890. I have a feeling she was probably taken back by a train to one of the neighboring states around Oklahoma to be buried in the Barton plot . Thank you Vicki rreynolds@pdq.net -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Johnson <kjohnson@iowahealth.net> To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, February 27, 2000 11:56 AM Subject: [BARTON-L] Barton >My direct Barton line begins with: > >Edward Barton, b. 1559 in England, d. 1671 in Cape Porporus, ME. His wife >was Elizabeth ?, b. Abt 1563 in England. Their son: > >Edward Barton b. 1585 in England, d. 1688 inWestchester, NY. He m. Mary >?. > >Their son: Rufus Barton b. 1606 in England, d. 1648 in Portsmouth, RI > m. 1648 in Warwick, RI to Margaret Stafford b. 1603-1626 in Salisbury, >Eng. d. Bef 1648. > >Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1645 in RI d. 10/22/1720 in Warwick, RI. > m. 6/10/1672 in Warwick, RI to Susannah Gorton > b. 1650 in Warwick d. 5/28/1734 in Roxbury, MA. > >Their son: Andrew Barton b. 1673 in RI d. 4/9/1723 in Warwick, RI > m. Rebecca Low, b. ?, d. Aft 1723. > >Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1703 in Warwick, RI d. 4/22/1773 in >Warren, RI > m. 5/26/1746 to Lydia Brown b. 4/28/1720 in Swansea, MA > d. 10/9/1808 in Warren, RI > >Their son: William Barton (General) b. 5/26/1748 in Warren, RI d. >10/22/1831 in Providence, RI > m. Rhoda Carver b. 10/9/1749 in Bridgewater, MA d. 12/15/1841 in RI >(Wm. was captured by the British in the Rev. War and made a dramatic escape >which is well documented) > >Their son: George Washington Barton b. 2/6/1776 in Providence, RI d. 1790 >at sea > m. Luthania Leland b. Abt 1770 d. Aft 1796 > >Their son: William Leland Barton b. 7/13/1796 in Providence, RI d. 1865 in >KY > m. Mary (Polly) Thomason b. 8/22/1803 in Pendleton Co., >KY > d. 2/22/1875 in Pendleton Co., KY > >Their daughter: Luthania Leland Barton b. 2/26/1827 in Shelbyville, KY > d. 1/29/1915 in Shelbyville, KY > m. Elijah Yelton b. 1820 in Butler, KY d. 1910 in Butler, KY > >Elijah and Luthania were my great-great grandparents. > >I would appreciate any help in expanding the information I have on the >Bartons and their related families, Stafford, Gorton, Low, Brown, Carver, >Leland, Thomason, and Yelton. > >Ken Johnson >401 3rd Street, Suite 203 >Des Moines, IA 50309 >(515) 243-2515 > > >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at http://www.rootsweb.com > >

Once again, thank you all for your very informative responses. I have now incorporated them, checked through many IGI references, checked Massachusetts census records 1790-1850, and reviewed the William Eleazar Barton text and some others (it's been a busy few days!). My conclusions to date: while I cannot yet make a direct connection, my line would seem to spring from the Oxford MA group, migrating west along (current) Routes 9 and 202 toward Northampton. My great-great-great-grandfather, Daniel Barton, is buried in Ware (based on the cemetery inscription, he died on 12 December 1859, aged 71 years 5 months, which puts his birth date in August 1788). His wife, Vila Towne, is also buried there; she was born in Belchertown, so Daniel probably met her in the area. Also in the same plot is William F. Barton, died 4 December 1862, age 87 (born 1775). I haven't been able to connect him with anyone, but he could be Daniel's uncle or a cousin. Daniel had a son, William F. Barton, but he was born in 1825. Daniel's son, Silas Demey Kellogg Barton, was living in West Brookfield when he died (21 December 1886)(his birthplace is given as Pittsford, and I have seen a reference to Vermont somewhere, but that doesn't help at all), and he is buried in a different cemetery in Ware, with his wife Eliza Mariah Johnson (said to have been born in Moriah, NY 22 June 1811--ring any bells?), his son Willard Allen Barton, and his daughter Vila Mariah Barton. Vila taught at Smith College, another local tie. [The first interment in that plot, on 11 June 1849, was a Mary E. Root--I am at a loss to explain her. Possibly Silas Barton bought the lot from the Root family? Silas did have a daughter Mary Elizabeth, but she did not die until 1869.) Frederick S. Barton was interred in the adjoining plot, deeded to Moses Putnam, who was married to Mary Ann Barton, a daughter of Daniel Barton and sister of Silas; she is also buried there. I'm not sure who Frederick is--he died 6 April 1858, before either Mary or Moses. Perhaps Silas Barton originally owned both plots, and deeded one to his brother-in-law. My great-great-grandfather, Silas Abbott Barton, was born 22 November 1846 in Ware, according to his birth record, and his father Silas was said to be living there at that time. Turning now to census indexes: The 1790 Census shows a Jedediah Barton and a David Barton living in Belchertown. The 1820 census does not mention either, but shows a Daniel Barton (my Daniel?) in Granby, and he appears again in the 1830 census. The 1840 census does not show any Bartons along the Ware-Northampton axis. In the 1850 census, Silas K. Barton appears in household #388, while a brother Robert L(oveland), Silas (A.), and Daniel (M.), appear in household #389. There is no mention of any Barton women or sons William, Willard or Henry in Ware in that census. Can those of you who are expert in the Oxford line shed some light on this? In this forum it has been suggested that my Daniel comes from the Roger Barton line in New York, but that doesn't account for William. On the other hand, Jedediah springs from the Matthew Barton line, in Massachusetts. Help! I look forward to the next wave of responses. Sheila Connolly

My direct Barton line begins with: Edward Barton, b. 1559 in England, d. 1671 in Cape Porporus, ME. His wife was Elizabeth ?, b. Abt 1563 in England. Their son: Edward Barton b. 1585 in England, d. 1688 inWestchester, NY. He m. Mary ?. Their son: Rufus Barton b. 1606 in England, d. 1648 in Portsmouth, RI m. 1648 in Warwick, RI to Margaret Stafford b. 1603-1626 in Salisbury, Eng. d. Bef 1648. Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1645 in RI d. 10/22/1720 in Warwick, RI. m. 6/10/1672 in Warwick, RI to Susannah Gorton b. 1650 in Warwick d. 5/28/1734 in Roxbury, MA. Their son: Andrew Barton b. 1673 in RI d. 4/9/1723 in Warwick, RI m. Rebecca Low, b. ?, d. Aft 1723. Their son: Benjamin Barton b. 1703 in Warwick, RI d. 4/22/1773 in Warren, RI m. 5/26/1746 to Lydia Brown b. 4/28/1720 in Swansea, MA d. 10/9/1808 in Warren, RI Their son: William Barton (General) b. 5/26/1748 in Warren, RI d. 10/22/1831 in Providence, RI m. Rhoda Carver b. 10/9/1749 in Bridgewater, MA d. 12/15/1841 in RI (Wm. was captured by the British in the Rev. War and made a dramatic escape which is well documented) Their son: George Washington Barton b. 2/6/1776 in Providence, RI d. 1790 at sea m. Luthania Leland b. Abt 1770 d. Aft 1796 Their son: William Leland Barton b. 7/13/1796 in Providence, RI d. 1865 in KY m. Mary (Polly) Thomason b. 8/22/1803 in Pendleton Co., KY d. 2/22/1875 in Pendleton Co., KY Their daughter: Luthania Leland Barton b. 2/26/1827 in Shelbyville, KY d. 1/29/1915 in Shelbyville, KY m. Elijah Yelton b. 1820 in Butler, KY d. 1910 in Butler, KY Elijah and Luthania were my great-great grandparents. I would appreciate any help in expanding the information I have on the Bartons and their related families, Stafford, Gorton, Low, Brown, Carver, Leland, Thomason, and Yelton. Ken Johnson 401 3rd Street, Suite 203 Des Moines, IA 50309 (515) 243-2515

Hello all, I am searching for the family of James Barton b. 1797 in Oakhill, Somerset was listed as a mason until he enlisted in the British Army at 19. Served in India with HMs 55th Foot married Ellen Mathews, spinst. 29.6.31, St Mary Madras Had two children that we know of, there could possibly be more Clara Anna Ellen Barton b. 21/9/1843, Chaplains Stations in the Archdeconry of Madras Elizabeth Margaret Jane Barton b. 1847, Mhow, West Bengal India

Thank you so much for pointing out the fact that in England Barton is a very common name. In the time when freemen were allowed to become landowners it was very common for people to take the name of the town from which they came. Thus a man would be called "John of Barton or Thomas of Barton". This allowed for many unrelated families to end up with the same surname. Using this practise those of us trying desperatly to find our links to the old world may be somewhat out of luck. As one of the names in my family is Jones, I am becoming familier with the proverbial brick wall. Some real documentation would really help alot. L Barton

Just a point of interest. There is a Thomas Barton buried in one of the old cemetaries in Boston. I dont remember the name of the cemetary, just that it dated back to about 1620 and there was a 2nd unrelated name sharing the headstone. This cemetary is next to an old Episcopalian church and is across the stree from the cemetary where Paul Revere, the woman known as mother goose and other famous revolutionary figures are buried. I believe it is known as cemetary hill. At the time I saw it I had not started doing any geneology research so I only have a photograph and a memory from a brief visit. Best always. L Barton

Linda, thanks for looking. Julie Wakosmom2@aol.com wrote: > > Julie, > Sorry, no match with any on my Margarets. > Linda > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please send email to: > barton-l-request@rootsweb.com (for list mail) or barton-d-request@rootsweb (for digest mail) > with the body message of > UNSUBSCRIBE

Linda, this is all I know so far. It is not documented. William Miller & Margaret BARTON married May 23, 1824 Glasgow regards, Julie Wakosmom2@aol.com wrote: > > Julie, > Do you know the time frame and place of your Margaret Barton? > Linda > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please support the Rootsweb Genealogical Cooperative by becoming a member, sponsor, or donor. For more information, visit Rootsweb at http://www.rootsweb.com

Julie, Sorry, no match with any on my Margarets. Linda

Dear Leo, My message was twofold. 1). It is better that people not put undocumented family relationships into public presentations of genealogy as if they were fact. 2). Research will be more productive if people study what has been done before embarking on what they think is new. Here is an example of the first point. The LDS Family Ancestry files can be used to show that many descendants of Roger1 Barton are descended from an English knight who probably came from Normandy with William the Conqueror in 1066 (shortly thereafter, of course, King William I). Through the knight, we are related to such people as Princess Diane. That entire line depends on one connection that is without any documentation, that of the wife of Robert Ashley, Mary, who was the widow of one of several Thomas Hortons. Yet that connection is there on the computer for any of us to discover. How did it get there? Either someone entered it as data because they were content to believe it was so, or the computer software linked two unrelated files through a common name. Organizations such as the DAR, SAR, Mayflower Society, etc. have rules governing the acceptable sources of data for pedigrees submitted for membership. In my view, the rules are reasonable and realistic. It would be well to get the rules and follow them, not necessarily because one wants to become a member, but because they provide good guidelines for what we do in our family research. Regarding research: In 1900, William Eleazar Barton wrote of his ancestor, Lieutenant William Barton of Morris County, New Jersey. This researcher and author wrote of the 12th century manor in Lancashire and of Gilbert de Nottum, founder of the Lancashire family of Bartons. Among other things, the author had studied the parish registers of Lancashire and found the Barton name was long gone from the area. He concluded that the early family of the name Barton had assumed other names. He found that at least 28 families of the name Barton have registered coats of arms. (ONE of the 28 is sold commercially as THE Barton coat of arms). He cited several pedigrees of Bartons listed in a British genealogists guide of 1879, and cited others he had found. He provided notes on American Barton families, the "Massachusetts Bartons," the "Maine Bartons," the "New Hampshire Bartons," the "Rhode Island Bartons," the "New York Bartons," etc. How much time, money and energy might one expend in research only to find that one had merely duplicated what William Eleazar Barton had done and written one hundred years ago. With all of our modern computers and e-mail systems, who has dug out the many Barton pedigrees referenced by W. E. Barton in 1900 from an 1879 publication? I mention all of this in connection with the discussion of the ancestry and possible brothers of Roger1 Barton of Westchester County, NY. In 1937, Adolph Law Voge wrote his brief 12 page address to the organizational meeting of "Roger Barton's Kinsmen." Voge mentions again researching some of the same kinds of material from England. Voge was most interested in the parish register of Walton which includes the entry "Roger, Alice and Elizabeth, children of Thomas Barton, bapt. (respectively) 25, 18, and 15 Feb 1602/3." Voge wrote, "Strangely enough the Walton volume has all of the Barton entries checked in pencil by some earlier New York searcher. No other volume has such checks against Barton names." Perhaps William Eleazar Barton checked the entries in pencil. Who will volunteer to repeat this exercise yet again? If one does not know what has been done already, does not know all of the material already in print, how can one do research? How can one know when he or she has found something new? How much time might one spend to discover the existence of a Barton pedigree that was already listed in an 1879 guide to pedigrees and referenced by W.E. Barton in 1900? Perhaps the one piece of Barton literature that is most needed today is a listing of all the Barton genealogy already available and where to obtain it. The three I mentioned, McCracken, Voge and Joshua Lindley Barton are only a start. A very good start, but only a start. Based on my decades as a professional researcher, and on my one year stint as a genealogist of one branch of the Roger Barton family, I don't agree that new researchers bring out new questions. They seldom do, if ever. For some period of time, they ask questions that have been asked and answered years earlier. Based on the same experience, I don't agree that the more people that are interested in solving a puzzle the more likely we are going to find some answers. My experience as a professional researcher was that two or three people could accomplish what teams had failed to do again and again over the years. There is a reason for that, but that is another subject. Jim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Leo K. Barton wrote: Dear Jim I hope my inquiries have not offended anyone. Like I mentioned I am relatively new to researching Genealogy. I for one have not read the published works of George McCracken, Adolph Law Voge and Joshua Lindley Barton. Thanks to you I will now inquire about obtaining these works. I'm sure you are not suggesting that we give up searching because these writers could not find the answers we are seeking. I would think that in this day of the computer and our ability to reach people all over the world that just maybe some one has some recently discovered information they might divulge to us. I know that if their are as many good people like you and the others I have corresponded with on rootsweb it won't be long until we uncover some very pleasant news that will be of great help to most of us. Do you agree that new researchers bring out new questions and that the more people that are interested in solving a puzzle the more likely we are going to find some answers? Thanks again and I hope to hear from you soon...................Leo - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Jim Barton wrote: Dear Leo, We agree this is a good forum for the subject, and we agree that it isn't good to present undocumented info as fact in the publication or presentation of family trees. I am trying to point out that the subject of Rufus and Roger and the brother stories has been under investigation at various times for at least 70 years by some very skilled amateurs and at least one very good professional. The results have been published and are available to the public. As a researcher by education and profession (but not genealogy), I try to avoid reinventing the same wheel. That is neither satisfying nor rewarding. Therefore, I study the existing literature first. I will agree that it is exciting to jump into some of these things. But in the long run, I think everyone better serves themselves and others by finding and studying what has already been done. With regard to Roger Barton, the published works of George McCracken, Adolph Law Voge and Joshua Lindley Barton will be of great benefit and will lead you to other related published material by reference. Having digested that material, a person can sit back and ask themselves what aspect of it they want to research further, and what aspect do they have the time, money and ability to research further. I found more than enough to do just bringing my line up to date, and correcting the inevitable errors already in the literature regarding my line. Although Barton is not an unusual name, it is also not very common these days in the USA, thus we are inclined to connect the dots. However, the name Barton is quite common in England and has been for centuries. Without going back and counting again, I believe there are at least 23 towns in England named Barton. There aren't a fraction that many in the much, much larger USA. Thus it indicates there were a lot of Bartons in England, quite possibly totally unrelated. The explanations given for the name "Barton" allow for the name to arise independently in a lot of different places, thus there is no one "Barton" from whom all other Bartons are descended. By and large the Roger Barton line were schooled. One doesn't find their mark "x" on documents. To some small degree they followed traditional ways of naming children, but they were not rigorous about that. One thing I noticed in my line was that siblings would want to name their children after the same ancestor. The first sibling there got the name. The other siblings then gave the same name to their children, but as a middle name to avoid confusion. The children themselves, of course, then used the middle name and created the confusion. That's what children are for. Jim

BARTON-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in Massachusetts & New York > Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 11:02:34 -0600 > From: "Dorothy" <muirhead@inebraska.com> > You are into the Oxford Bartons. I have this little booklet on the whole > family, showing names of children etc. I studied the two Nathans, for I > was so sure at one time I would be related to him but I hit a brick wall > and then I went back to R.I. and low and behold my Oxford Barton came to > Providence and its a long story. Hi Dorothy, Can you tell me where to buy this booklet? Thanks, Sue -- email: roods@ct.net http://www.ct.net/~roods Researching Canada/US: BROUSSEAU, HOYT/WEBSTER, SHAVER/VAN KUEREN US: BASSETT, BARTON/FAIRFIELD, KEOUGH, MOREY/THOMAS/DURYEE

BARTON-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 19:37:08 -0800 > From: "Leo K. Barton" <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > > Dear Dorothy > Thank you for responding. It sounds like you are the person I've been looking for. This is my family > line. > 2461. Max10 Barton (Lewis Wilson9, Reuben Almon8, > Reuben7, Nathan6, Nathan5, Joshua4, Samuel3, Matthew2, > Edward1)(1484) was born in Meadville, NE 26 December > 1908. Max died April 1982 at 73 years of age. Hi Leo, I have been monitoring the notes on this line. I have been tying to prove or disprove a connection to (Nathan5, Joshua4, Samuel3, Matthew2, Edward1) The earliest BARTON I can document is Thadeus F. Barton b. 27 Nov 1811 (from gs) in possibly MA and died 5 Aug 1895 in Corry, Erie Co., PA (from gs & obit) >From son David Barton's marriage certificate & Death certificate he married (1) Susan FAIRFIELD [b. 2 Oct 1811, d. 4 Sep 1843 on gs] and from census records (2) Jane ___ & (3) Melissa ___. He is listed in 23 Aug 1850 US census Little Valley, Cattaraugus Co., NY, dwelling #173, family #173 Barton, Thaddeus, ae 37 Occupation Mechanic Barton, Jane ae 28 Tamn, ae 16, b. NY Maryett, ae 14, b. NY David, ae 10, b. NY There is circumstantial evidence that he is the same Thadeus Barton son of David that Paul Barton has listed on his web site http://nh.ultranet.com/~pwbarton/barton/i0002646.htm#i7819 David6 Barton (Nathan5, Joshua4, Samuel3, Matthew2, Edward1) Do you have any information on the family of David? As my Thadeus Barton seems to have married a Susan Fairfield and is the son of David & Susan Fairfield, 2 generations would have married a Susan Fairfield. This seems extremely suspicious. I have not been able to identify parents for Susan the wife of Thadeus. However, Susan Fairfield, the wife of David, is the daughter of Thadeus Fairfield & Kezia Lee. If you or anyone in the Barton discussion group can shed any light on this family, I would greatly appreciate it. Sue

Leo, thank you for sending me copies of he material on your branch of the family. Very interesting. Barbara B. -----Original Message----- From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA >Dear Barbara >Below is a copy from a Paul Barton web site click on it and it will take you there. >http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~pwbarton/barton/i0000097.htm#s1 >As you can see the Edward Barton moved around and on some Genealogy pages they refer to the Barton's >being from different parts of New England. Hope this helps. Leo > >First Generation > >1. Edward1 Barton was born circa 1620. Edward died June 1671 in Cape Porpoise, York, ME, at 50 years of >age.(1) > >He married Elizabeth 1639 in Marblehead, MA.(2) (Additional notes for Elizabeth(3)) Elizabeth died after >1671/1672. > >In 1671 Elizabeth the widow of Edward, along with Griffin Montegue, gave bonds for L200 as security for >Edwards estate >which was valued at L81 with the house, lands and marsh valued at L40. > >Edward is the founder of our branch of the Barton family in America. His origins are unknown at this >writing but he was >established at Portsmouth, NH by 1646 when in August of that year Reynold Fernald was granted four acres >of marsh at the >great house at Little Harbor, on the Piscataqua and his grant mentions that he was bounded on the east by >goodman Barton. He >served in 1650 at Portsmouth as a trial juryman and in 1651 was brought to court for beating his wife. He >received additional >grants of land at Portsmouth in 1652 and 1653 and served as a grand juryman in 1656 and as a coroner's >juryman in 1657, the >same year in which he took the oath of fidelity at Exeter, NH to the Massachussetts Bay government. At >the town meeting of >March 20, 1656 James Johnson, William Seavey and Anthony Bracket were directed to settle a land dispute >between Edward >and Nicholas Row. In June of 1656, at Portsmouth, Susannah Trimmings, wife of Oliver Trimmings of Little >Harbor, >complained that she had been bewitched by Jane Walford, wife of Thomas Walford, formerly the first >settler of Charlestown >and among the witnesses was Eliza Barton, Edward's wife who testified to Susannah's unusual physical >appearance. At the town >meetings between 1658 and 1666 he was among those who subscribed to the minister's salary in the amount >of 15 shillings. >Probably about 1666 Edward moved from Portsmouth to Cape Porpoise, ME and settled on a farm of about 300 >acres which >he bought from Anthony Littlefield. The move may have been occasioned by Edward being a loyalist to MA. >The Maine farm >was situated on Montague's Neck bounded by the sea, Cape Porpoise River and Montegue River. Indian >troubles forced >Edward, his wife and family to abandon the Cape Porpoise farm for safe haven at Salem where he purchased >a house and land >which later were exchanged for a house and lands at Marblehead. His estate with the house, lands and >marsh at Cape Porpoise >and other property was valued at £ 81. > >Edward Barton and Elizabeth had the following children: > > + 2 i. William2 Barton. > > 3 ii. Benjaman Barton. > >He was at Kennebec in 1672 when Ruth Berry claimed land to the East of his. > > 4 iii. Joshua Barton. > > + 5 iv. Matthew Barton was born circa 1640. > > 6 v. Edward Barton was born circa 1647. > >In 1672 Edward and brother Benjamin (see below) Barton were among the petitioners at Cape Newagen, ME to >the >Massachussetts Bay Goverment for protection; and in 1674 Edward took the oath of fidelity both at >Pemiquid and at Salem. >He was a soldier in King Phillips war and was mentioned as being at the garrison at Mendon, now in >Worcester County. In >1674 the General Court ordered that he be allowed to "keep a house of public entertainment and to retail >beere, wyne and >liquers at Cape Bonewagon in Boothbay Southport. He was jailed in Boston for resisting the draft for a >Maine expedition and >filed a suit there in 1682. > > 7 vi. Elisha Barton was born circa 1655. Elisha died after 1688/1689 in Kittery, York, ME. He married >Mary Crockett. >Mary was the daughter of Thomas Crockett and Ann Lynn Gunnison. > >Elisha and Ephriam Crockett registered an agreement at the Court of Sessions 28 October 1684 in York >whereby for the sum >of 12 pounds Elisha discharges his wife's right to her father's estate. The sum was payable over three >years at 4 pounds a year. > > + 8 vii. Mary Barton was born circa 1657. > > >Brassell wrote: > >> Have any of you researched the 17th Century Bartns of MD and VA? No link? >> Barbara B. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> >> To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA >> >> > >> >Dear Sheila >> >You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the >> dots. >> >Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in >> >Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click >> here or >> >go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html >> >So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our >> Edward >> >of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. >> We >> >hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for >> >responding .......................Leo >> > >> >Sheila328@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >> Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to >> have >> >> triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions >> that I >> >> started with. >> >> >> >> Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to >> New >> >> Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was >> Roger? >> >> Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons >> >> originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't >> even >> >> get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family >> thought >> >> it was English. >> >> >> >> Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone >> have >> >> any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not >> sure >> >> which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother >> William? >> >> Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. >> But >> >> that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, >> >> Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) >> >> >> >> And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of >> Mary >> >> Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, >> or >> >> Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names >> >> against the Barton Index and found none of them. >> >> >> >> My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling >> they >> >> tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky >> >> background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early >> ship's >> >> captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies >> >> (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family >> associated >> >> with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no >> ship), >> >> and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? >> >> >> >> All suggestions welcome. >> >> >> >> Sheila Connolly >> >> >> >> P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants >> to >> >> compare features. >> >> >> >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >> >> All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their >> writers. >> >> Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing >> >> any message from this list. >> > >> > >> >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >> >Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html >> >for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other >> helpful genealogy pages. >> > >> >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >> Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html >> for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages. > > >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. >Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing >any message from this list. >

Dear Jim I hope my inquiries have not offended anyone. Like I mentioned I am relatively new to researching Genealogy I for one have not read the published works of George McCracken, Adolph Law Voge and Joshua Lindley Barton. Thanks to you I will now inquire about obtaining these works. I'm sure you are not suggesting that we give up searching because these writers could not find the answers we are seeking. I would think that in this day of the computer and our ability to reach people all over the world that just maybe some one has some recently discovered information they might divulge to us. I know that if their are as many good people like you and the others I have corresponded with on rootsweb it won't be long until we uncover some very pleasant news that will be of great help to most of us. Do you agree that new researchers bring out new questions and that the more people that are interested in solving a puzzle the more likely we are going to find some answers? Thanks again and I hope to hear from you soon...................Leo Jim Barton wrote: > Dear Leo, > > We agree this is a good forum for the subject, and we agree that it isn't good to present undocumented info as > fact in the publication or presentation of family trees. > > I am trying to point out that the subject of Rufus and Roger and the brother stories has been under > investigation at various times for at least 70 years by some very skilled amateurs and at least one very good > professional. The results have been published and are available to the public. As a researcher by education and > profession (but not genealogy), I try to avoid reinventing the same wheel. That is neither satisfying nor > rewarding. Therefore, I study the existing literature first. > > I will agree that it is exciting to jump into some of these things. But in the long run, I think everyone > better serves themselves and others by finding and studying what has already been done. With regard to Roger > Barton, the published works of George McCracken, Adolph Law Voge and Joshua Lindley Barton will be of great > benefit and will lead you to other related published material by reference. Having digested that material, a > person can sit back and ask themselves what aspect of it they want to research further, and what aspect do they > have the time, money and ability to research further. I found more than enough to do just bringing my line up > to date, and correcting the inevitable errors already in the literature regarding my line. > > Although Barton is not an unusual name, it is also not very common these days in the USA, thus we are inclined > to connect the dots. However, the name Barton is quite common in England and has been for centuries. Without > going back and counting again, I believe there are at least 23 towns in England named Barton. There aren't a > fraction that many in the much, much larger USA. Thus it indicates there were a lot of Bartons in England, > quite possibly totally unrelated. The explanations given for the name "Barton" allow for the name to arise > independently in a lot of different places, thus there is no one "Barton" from whom all other Bartons are > descended. > > By and large the Roger Barton line were schooled. One doesn't find their mark "x" on documents. To some small > degree they followed traditional ways of naming children, but they were not rigorous about that. One thing I > noticed in my line was that siblings would want to name their children after the same ancestor. The first > sibling there got the name. The other siblings then gave the same name to their children, but as a middle name > to avoid confusion. The children themselves, of course, then used the middle name and created the confusion. > That's what children are for. > > Jim > > Leo K. Barton wrote: > > > Dear Jim > > I agree with about people adding un-documented info but we do need a forum or something to be > > able to view these assertions so we can investigate them and try to validate or discard them. I > > am new to a great deal about Genealogy but I and many others have run into many inconsistencies. > > Some of which include people referring to others as brother or sister and people using their > > middle name or baptismal name. We are dealing with people that were not well schooled or that > > came from different nationalities that changed their names for a multitude of reasons. I guess > > that is what makes it so much fun. You mention a Captain Edward Barton that intrigues me could he > > be related to the Ship Master Thomas Barton that sailed the ship " Fortune " that landed in > > PLymouth in 1621 ?? All the recent dialog we've received in the last few days is quite > > exciting. Thanks for responding................Leo > > > > Jim Barton wrote: > > > > > Shiela, > > > > > > Please see McCracken's "Roger Barton of Westchester County, NY." I don't keep all the > > > e-mail, but as I recall, you were interested in a Peter Barton married to Esther Howland > > > with a son Daniel. > > > > > > Roger1 Barton 1628 - 1688, Mary ______ > > > Joseph2 Barton abt 1672 - 1762, 2nd wife, Abigail4 Lewis (Philip3, William2, William1) > > > Caleb3 Barton abt 1725 - 1819, Rose _______ > > > Peter4 Barton abt 1756 - ab 1818, Esther Howland. > > > Daniel5 Barton 1789 - > > > Or Peter5 Barton 1799 then Daniel6 if there was one. > > > > > > McCracken did not carry this family beyond what is above, the generation of Daniel5 and > > > Peter5. > > > > > > Peter4 was born in Nine Partners, Dutchess, Co., NY and died in Kinderhook, Columbia Co., > > > NY. Thus he was probably a Quaker. He married Esther Howland on Dec. 21, 1781. She is the > > > daughter of Samuel Howland, and was recorded in Pawling in the 1800 census. > > > > > > As you have found from the recent messages, the question of Roger Barton's ancestry has > > > contradictory answers. We have one current entry from Wales, another from Holland. Thus we > > > add the entry from Barbadoes, and several more. > > > > > > Writing in the N.Y. Gen. & Biogr. Rec. in 1928, Dr. Joshua Lindley Barton suggested that > > > Roger and Rufus were the sons of Edward Barton, a sea-captain. He suggested that the two > > > sons came from Barbadoes to the Island of Manhattan about 1641. He suggested that Rufus > > > went shortly thereafter to Rhode Island, and Roger settled among the Dutch and leased land > > > from Reverend Everardus Bogardus in 1642. McCracken proved that Rufus Barton, not Roger, > > > signed the lease. This was published in The American Genealogist in July, 1951. > > > > > > A recent message on this mailing list suggested that since it was Rufus who signed the > > > lease, he probably just turned the lease over to Roger and went on his way to Rhode > > > Island. However, Roger1 testified in 1688 that he was about 60 years old. Thus he was born > > > about 1628. Thus he would have been about 14 years old when the lease was signed in 1642. > > > It would take a lot of faith to turn over a property to a 14 year-old boy, especially > > > since it was among a people of another country, i.e, Dutch, not English. > > > > > > In 1937, Adolph Law Voge mentioned the stories extant at that time. One was, of course, > > > Captain Edward Barton in Barbadoes as the father of Roger. Another says one brother went > > > to Oxford, MA, one to Philadelphia and one to Dutchess Co. Another that three brothers > > > came to New York, one remained, one went to New England and one went South. These two are > > > not necessarily inconsistent. > > > > > > Voge also suggests a Roger Barton born in Walton, six miles north of Liverpool, England. > > > He has no known brothers. His father is Thomas, not Edward. > > > > > > The first documented mention of Roger1 Barton is in 1662 in Brookhaven, Long Island. From > > > that time on he is quite active and is documented repeatedly. If Roger1 was a brother of > > > Rufus, and if the two arrived together in 1641 or so, one would think there would be some > > > Roger1 Barton documentation during the 21 or 22 years between 1641 and 1662. There is not. > > > > > > >From the literature, one learns that more than a few people have gone through records in > > > England (at least) searching for a Roger Barton that fits any of the various theories. > > > There isn't any. > > > > > > I think it is good that everyone add their thoughts and data to this subject. As > > > individuals, we are all free to believe whatever we wish and to include whatever Roger > > > Barton ancestry we desire in our own family histories. However, I do object to including > > > undocumented Roger Barton ancestries in family trees which are submitted to public view > > > such as the FTM, RootsWeb and the LDS. In my opinion, it is not helpful to anyone to > > > publish undocumented genealogy, especially since the subject at hand has been thoroughly > > > researched for over 70 years without any supporting evidence being uncovered. > > > > > > If you wish, McCracken does suggest a brother of Roger Barton. See page 179 of Vol 106 > > > (July 1952 issue). McCracken notes a William Barton in New Jersey, and writes, "This > > > William Barton cannot have been a son of Roger1 Barton but he may have been a nephew." One > > > cannot have a nephew with the same surname without a brother. Voge writes that there was a > > > Thomas Barton in Burlington Co., NJ, in 1642, and that Roger's son Enoch died in southern > > > NJ near where Thomas Barton's family lived. Voge thought that to be somewhat compelling. > > > > > > Jim > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > > Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > > > > > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > > > > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > > > > started with. > > > > > > > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > > > > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > > > > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > > > > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > > > > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > > > > it was English. > > > > > > > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > > > > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > > > > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > > > > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > > > > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > > > > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > > > > > > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > > > > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > > > > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > > > > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > > > > > > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > > > > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > > > > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > > > > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > > > > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > > > > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > > > > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > > > > > > > All suggestions welcome. > > > > > > > > Sheila Connolly > > > > > > > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > > > > compare features. > > > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > > > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > > > > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > > > > any message from this list. > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves. > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi Calvert Brogan at christib@satx.rr.com > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages.

Leo, I am not seeking help. I proved my descent from the MD Branch some years ago. I just wondered what all of you had researched and thought my suggestion might be helpful. I shall look at the web site of Paul Barton and thank you for sending the address. I am not familiar with it. Happy hunting. Barbara B. -----Original Message----- From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:59 PM Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA >Dear Barbara >Below is a copy from a Paul Barton web site click on it and it will take you there. >http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~pwbarton/barton/i0000097.htm#s1 >As you can see the Edward Barton moved around and on some Genealogy pages they refer to the Barton's >being from different parts of New England. Hope this helps. Leo > >First Generation > >1. Edward1 Barton was born circa 1620. Edward died June 1671 in Cape Porpoise, York, ME, at 50 years of >age.(1) > >He married Elizabeth 1639 in Marblehead, MA.(2) (Additional notes for Elizabeth(3)) Elizabeth died after >1671/1672. > >In 1671 Elizabeth the widow of Edward, along with Griffin Montegue, gave bonds for L200 as security for >Edwards estate >which was valued at L81 with the house, lands and marsh valued at L40. > >Edward is the founder of our branch of the Barton family in America. His origins are unknown at this >writing but he was >established at Portsmouth, NH by 1646 when in August of that year Reynold Fernald was granted four acres >of marsh at the >great house at Little Harbor, on the Piscataqua and his grant mentions that he was bounded on the east by >goodman Barton. He >served in 1650 at Portsmouth as a trial juryman and in 1651 was brought to court for beating his wife. He >received additional >grants of land at Portsmouth in 1652 and 1653 and served as a grand juryman in 1656 and as a coroner's >juryman in 1657, the >same year in which he took the oath of fidelity at Exeter, NH to the Massachussetts Bay government. At >the town meeting of >March 20, 1656 James Johnson, William Seavey and Anthony Bracket were directed to settle a land dispute >between Edward >and Nicholas Row. In June of 1656, at Portsmouth, Susannah Trimmings, wife of Oliver Trimmings of Little >Harbor, >complained that she had been bewitched by Jane Walford, wife of Thomas Walford, formerly the first >settler of Charlestown >and among the witnesses was Eliza Barton, Edward's wife who testified to Susannah's unusual physical >appearance. At the town >meetings between 1658 and 1666 he was among those who subscribed to the minister's salary in the amount >of 15 shillings. >Probably about 1666 Edward moved from Portsmouth to Cape Porpoise, ME and settled on a farm of about 300 >acres which >he bought from Anthony Littlefield. The move may have been occasioned by Edward being a loyalist to MA. >The Maine farm >was situated on Montague's Neck bounded by the sea, Cape Porpoise River and Montegue River. Indian >troubles forced >Edward, his wife and family to abandon the Cape Porpoise farm for safe haven at Salem where he purchased >a house and land >which later were exchanged for a house and lands at Marblehead. His estate with the house, lands and >marsh at Cape Porpoise >and other property was valued at £ 81. > >Edward Barton and Elizabeth had the following children: > > + 2 i. William2 Barton. > > 3 ii. Benjaman Barton. > >He was at Kennebec in 1672 when Ruth Berry claimed land to the East of his. > > 4 iii. Joshua Barton. > > + 5 iv. Matthew Barton was born circa 1640. > > 6 v. Edward Barton was born circa 1647. > >In 1672 Edward and brother Benjamin (see below) Barton were among the petitioners at Cape Newagen, ME to >the >Massachussetts Bay Goverment for protection; and in 1674 Edward took the oath of fidelity both at >Pemiquid and at Salem. >He was a soldier in King Phillips war and was mentioned as being at the garrison at Mendon, now in >Worcester County. In >1674 the General Court ordered that he be allowed to "keep a house of public entertainment and to retail >beere, wyne and >liquers at Cape Bonewagon in Boothbay Southport. He was jailed in Boston for resisting the draft for a >Maine expedition and >filed a suit there in 1682. > > 7 vi. Elisha Barton was born circa 1655. Elisha died after 1688/1689 in Kittery, York, ME. He married >Mary Crockett. >Mary was the daughter of Thomas Crockett and Ann Lynn Gunnison. > >Elisha and Ephriam Crockett registered an agreement at the Court of Sessions 28 October 1684 in York >whereby for the sum >of 12 pounds Elisha discharges his wife's right to her father's estate. The sum was payable over three >years at 4 pounds a year. > > + 8 vii. Mary Barton was born circa 1657. > > >Brassell wrote: > >> Have any of you researched the 17th Century Bartns of MD and VA? No link? >> Barbara B. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> >> To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> >> Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:38 PM >> Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA >> >> > >> >Dear Sheila >> >You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the >> dots. >> >Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in >> >Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click >> here or >> >go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html >> >So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our >> Edward >> >of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. >> We >> >hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for >> >responding .......................Leo >> > >> >Sheila328@aol.com wrote: >> > >> >> Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to >> have >> >> triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions >> that I >> >> started with. >> >> >> >> Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to >> New >> >> Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was >> Roger? >> >> Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons >> >> originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't >> even >> >> get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family >> thought >> >> it was English. >> >> >> >> Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone >> have >> >> any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not >> sure >> >> which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother >> William? >> >> Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. >> But >> >> that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, >> >> Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) >> >> >> >> And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of >> Mary >> >> Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, >> or >> >> Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names >> >> against the Barton Index and found none of them. >> >> >> >> My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling >> they >> >> tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky >> >> background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early >> ship's >> >> captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies >> >> (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family >> associated >> >> with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no >> ship), >> >> and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? >> >> >> >> All suggestions welcome. >> >> >> >> Sheila Connolly >> >> >> >> P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants >> to >> >> compare features. >> >> >> >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >> >> All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their >> writers. >> >> Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing >> >> any message from this list. >> > >> > >> >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >> >Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: >> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html >> >for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other >> helpful genealogy pages. >> > >> >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >> Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html >> for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages. > > >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== >All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. >Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing >any message from this list. >

Dear Leo, We agree this is a good forum for the subject, and we agree that it isn't good to present undocumented info as fact in the publication or presentation of family trees. I am trying to point out that the subject of Rufus and Roger and the brother stories has been under investigation at various times for at least 70 years by some very skilled amateurs and at least one very good professional. The results have been published and are available to the public. As a researcher by education and profession (but not genealogy), I try to avoid reinventing the same wheel. That is neither satisfying nor rewarding. Therefore, I study the existing literature first. I will agree that it is exciting to jump into some of these things. But in the long run, I think everyone better serves themselves and others by finding and studying what has already been done. With regard to Roger Barton, the published works of George McCracken, Adolph Law Voge and Joshua Lindley Barton will be of great benefit and will lead you to other related published material by reference. Having digested that material, a person can sit back and ask themselves what aspect of it they want to research further, and what aspect do they have the time, money and ability to research further. I found more than enough to do just bringing my line up to date, and correcting the inevitable errors already in the literature regarding my line. Although Barton is not an unusual name, it is also not very common these days in the USA, thus we are inclined to connect the dots. However, the name Barton is quite common in England and has been for centuries. Without going back and counting again, I believe there are at least 23 towns in England named Barton. There aren't a fraction that many in the much, much larger USA. Thus it indicates there were a lot of Bartons in England, quite possibly totally unrelated. The explanations given for the name "Barton" allow for the name to arise independently in a lot of different places, thus there is no one "Barton" from whom all other Bartons are descended. By and large the Roger Barton line were schooled. One doesn't find their mark "x" on documents. To some small degree they followed traditional ways of naming children, but they were not rigorous about that. One thing I noticed in my line was that siblings would want to name their children after the same ancestor. The first sibling there got the name. The other siblings then gave the same name to their children, but as a middle name to avoid confusion. The children themselves, of course, then used the middle name and created the confusion. That's what children are for. Jim Leo K. Barton wrote: > Dear Jim > I agree with about people adding un-documented info but we do need a forum or something to be > able to view these assertions so we can investigate them and try to validate or discard them. I > am new to a great deal about Genealogy but I and many others have run into many inconsistencies. > Some of which include people referring to others as brother or sister and people using their > middle name or baptismal name. We are dealing with people that were not well schooled or that > came from different nationalities that changed their names for a multitude of reasons. I guess > that is what makes it so much fun. You mention a Captain Edward Barton that intrigues me could he > be related to the Ship Master Thomas Barton that sailed the ship " Fortune " that landed in > PLymouth in 1621 ?? All the recent dialog we've received in the last few days is quite > exciting. Thanks for responding................Leo > > Jim Barton wrote: > > > Shiela, > > > > Please see McCracken's "Roger Barton of Westchester County, NY." I don't keep all the > > e-mail, but as I recall, you were interested in a Peter Barton married to Esther Howland > > with a son Daniel. > > > > Roger1 Barton 1628 - 1688, Mary ______ > > Joseph2 Barton abt 1672 - 1762, 2nd wife, Abigail4 Lewis (Philip3, William2, William1) > > Caleb3 Barton abt 1725 - 1819, Rose _______ > > Peter4 Barton abt 1756 - ab 1818, Esther Howland. > > Daniel5 Barton 1789 - > > Or Peter5 Barton 1799 then Daniel6 if there was one. > > > > McCracken did not carry this family beyond what is above, the generation of Daniel5 and > > Peter5. > > > > Peter4 was born in Nine Partners, Dutchess, Co., NY and died in Kinderhook, Columbia Co., > > NY. Thus he was probably a Quaker. He married Esther Howland on Dec. 21, 1781. She is the > > daughter of Samuel Howland, and was recorded in Pawling in the 1800 census. > > > > As you have found from the recent messages, the question of Roger Barton's ancestry has > > contradictory answers. We have one current entry from Wales, another from Holland. Thus we > > add the entry from Barbadoes, and several more. > > > > Writing in the N.Y. Gen. & Biogr. Rec. in 1928, Dr. Joshua Lindley Barton suggested that > > Roger and Rufus were the sons of Edward Barton, a sea-captain. He suggested that the two > > sons came from Barbadoes to the Island of Manhattan about 1641. He suggested that Rufus > > went shortly thereafter to Rhode Island, and Roger settled among the Dutch and leased land > > from Reverend Everardus Bogardus in 1642. McCracken proved that Rufus Barton, not Roger, > > signed the lease. This was published in The American Genealogist in July, 1951. > > > > A recent message on this mailing list suggested that since it was Rufus who signed the > > lease, he probably just turned the lease over to Roger and went on his way to Rhode > > Island. However, Roger1 testified in 1688 that he was about 60 years old. Thus he was born > > about 1628. Thus he would have been about 14 years old when the lease was signed in 1642. > > It would take a lot of faith to turn over a property to a 14 year-old boy, especially > > since it was among a people of another country, i.e, Dutch, not English. > > > > In 1937, Adolph Law Voge mentioned the stories extant at that time. One was, of course, > > Captain Edward Barton in Barbadoes as the father of Roger. Another says one brother went > > to Oxford, MA, one to Philadelphia and one to Dutchess Co. Another that three brothers > > came to New York, one remained, one went to New England and one went South. These two are > > not necessarily inconsistent. > > > > Voge also suggests a Roger Barton born in Walton, six miles north of Liverpool, England. > > He has no known brothers. His father is Thomas, not Edward. > > > > The first documented mention of Roger1 Barton is in 1662 in Brookhaven, Long Island. From > > that time on he is quite active and is documented repeatedly. If Roger1 was a brother of > > Rufus, and if the two arrived together in 1641 or so, one would think there would be some > > Roger1 Barton documentation during the 21 or 22 years between 1641 and 1662. There is not. > > > > >From the literature, one learns that more than a few people have gone through records in > > England (at least) searching for a Roger Barton that fits any of the various theories. > > There isn't any. > > > > I think it is good that everyone add their thoughts and data to this subject. As > > individuals, we are all free to believe whatever we wish and to include whatever Roger > > Barton ancestry we desire in our own family histories. However, I do object to including > > undocumented Roger Barton ancestries in family trees which are submitted to public view > > such as the FTM, RootsWeb and the LDS. In my opinion, it is not helpful to anyone to > > publish undocumented genealogy, especially since the subject at hand has been thoroughly > > researched for over 70 years without any supporting evidence being uncovered. > > > > If you wish, McCracken does suggest a brother of Roger Barton. See page 179 of Vol 106 > > (July 1952 issue). McCracken notes a William Barton in New Jersey, and writes, "This > > William Barton cannot have been a son of Roger1 Barton but he may have been a nephew." One > > cannot have a nephew with the same surname without a brother. Voge writes that there was a > > Thomas Barton in Burlington Co., NJ, in 1642, and that Roger's son Enoch died in southern > > NJ near where Thomas Barton's family lived. Voge thought that to be somewhat compelling. > > > > Jim > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > > > Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to have > > > triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions that I > > > started with. > > > > > > Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to New > > > Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was Roger? > > > Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > > > originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't even > > > get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family thought > > > it was English. > > > > > > Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone have > > > any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not sure > > > which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother William? > > > Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. But > > > that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > > > Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > > > > > And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of Mary > > > Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, or > > > Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > > > against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > > > > > My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling they > > > tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > > > background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early ship's > > > captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > > > (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family associated > > > with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no ship), > > > and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > > > > > All suggestions welcome. > > > > > > Sheila Connolly > > > > > > P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants to > > > compare features. > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > > > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > > > any message from this list. > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > No copyrighted materials are permitted on this list unless by the copyright owner themselves. > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > Any list problems or questions can be sent to the listowner, Christi Calvert Brogan at christib@satx.rr.com

The booklet says he was of Salem, Marblehead, Portsmouth NH and Cape Porpoise now Kennebunkport ME died at Cape P not later than Apr 1671 Its quite detailed. Dorothy ---------- > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 6:58 PM > > Dear Barbara > Below is a copy from a Paul Barton web site click on it and it will take you there. > http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~pwbarton/barton/i0000097.htm#s1 > As you can see the Edward Barton moved around and on some Genealogy pages they refer to the Barton's > being from different parts of New England. Hope this helps. Leo > > First Generation > > 1. Edward1 Barton was born circa 1620. Edward died June 1671 in Cape Porpoise, York, ME, at 50 years of > age.(1) > > He married Elizabeth 1639 in Marblehead, MA.(2) (Additional notes for Elizabeth(3)) Elizabeth died after > 1671/1672. > > In 1671 Elizabeth the widow of Edward, along with Griffin Montegue, gave bonds for L200 as security for > Edwards estate > which was valued at L81 with the house, lands and marsh valued at L40. > > Edward is the founder of our branch of the Barton family in America. His origins are unknown at this > writing but he was > established at Portsmouth, NH by 1646 when in August of that year Reynold Fernald was granted four acres > of marsh at the > great house at Little Harbor, on the Piscataqua and his grant mentions that he was bounded on the east by > goodman Barton. He > served in 1650 at Portsmouth as a trial juryman and in 1651 was brought to court for beating his wife. He > received additional > grants of land at Portsmouth in 1652 and 1653 and served as a grand juryman in 1656 and as a coroner's > juryman in 1657, the > same year in which he took the oath of fidelity at Exeter, NH to the Massachussetts Bay government. At > the town meeting of > March 20, 1656 James Johnson, William Seavey and Anthony Bracket were directed to settle a land dispute > between Edward > and Nicholas Row. In June of 1656, at Portsmouth, Susannah Trimmings, wife of Oliver Trimmings of Little > Harbor, > complained that she had been bewitched by Jane Walford, wife of Thomas Walford, formerly the first > settler of Charlestown > and among the witnesses was Eliza Barton, Edward's wife who testified to Susannah's unusual physical > appearance. At the town > meetings between 1658 and 1666 he was among those who subscribed to the minister's salary in the amount > of 15 shillings. > Probably about 1666 Edward moved from Portsmouth to Cape Porpoise, ME and settled on a farm of about 300 > acres which > he bought from Anthony Littlefield. The move may have been occasioned by Edward being a loyalist to MA. > The Maine farm > was situated on Montague's Neck bounded by the sea, Cape Porpoise River and Montegue River. Indian > troubles forced > Edward, his wife and family to abandon the Cape Porpoise farm for safe haven at Salem where he purchased > a house and land > which later were exchanged for a house and lands at Marblehead. His estate with the house, lands and > marsh at Cape Porpoise > and other property was valued at £ 81. > > Edward Barton and Elizabeth had the following children: > > + 2 i. William2 Barton. > > 3 ii. Benjaman Barton. > > He was at Kennebec in 1672 when Ruth Berry claimed land to the East of his. > > 4 iii. Joshua Barton. > > + 5 iv. Matthew Barton was born circa 1640. > > 6 v. Edward Barton was born circa 1647. > > In 1672 Edward and brother Benjamin (see below) Barton were among the petitioners at Cape Newagen, ME to > the > Massachussetts Bay Goverment for protection; and in 1674 Edward took the oath of fidelity both at > Pemiquid and at Salem. > He was a soldier in King Phillips war and was mentioned as being at the garrison at Mendon, now in > Worcester County. In > 1674 the General Court ordered that he be allowed to "keep a house of public entertainment and to retail > beere, wyne and > liquers at Cape Bonewagon in Boothbay Southport. He was jailed in Boston for resisting the draft for a > Maine expedition and > filed a suit there in 1682. > > 7 vi. Elisha Barton was born circa 1655. Elisha died after 1688/1689 in Kittery, York, ME. He married > Mary Crockett. > Mary was the daughter of Thomas Crockett and Ann Lynn Gunnison. > > Elisha and Ephriam Crockett registered an agreement at the Court of Sessions 28 October 1684 in York > whereby for the sum > of 12 pounds Elisha discharges his wife's right to her father's estate. The sum was payable over three > years at 4 pounds a year. > > + 8 vii. Mary Barton was born circa 1657. > > > Brassell wrote: > > > Have any of you researched the 17th Century Bartns of MD and VA? No link? > > Barbara B. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Leo K. Barton <lbarton@wizzards.net> > > To: BARTON-L@rootsweb.com <BARTON-L@rootsweb.com> > > Date: Wednesday, February 23, 2000 3:38 PM > > Subject: Re: [BARTON-L] Bartons in NY and MA > > > > > > > >Dear Sheila > > >You have some very good info,so don't give up. We just need to connect the > > dots. > > >Here is a link to the passenger list of the ship " Fortune " that landed in > > >Plymouth in 1621. The Master of the ship is named Thomas Barton. Click > > here or > > >go to: http://istg.rootsweb.com/v2/1600v2/fortune16211109.html > > >So far it is unknown whether or not this Thomas Barton has any link to our > > Edward > > >of 1620,but it would be nice to find what line of Barton' he is linked to. > > We > > >hope someone out their can help the rest of us. Thank you very much for > > >responding .......................Leo > > > > > >Sheila328@aol.com wrote: > > > > > >> Thank you to all those who responded, even third-hand--I really seem to > > have > > >> triggered something. But I think I am still left with more questions > > that I > > >> started with. > > >> > > >> Betsey (Perra?) has the original Barton settler coming from Holland to > > New > > >> Amsterdam, with four brothers, three of whom stayed. One of these was > > Roger? > > >> Then Leo Barton cites the Alvin Barton text that suggests the Bartons > > >> originated in Wales (at least there are still four brothers). We won't > > even > > >> get into the discussion whether Barton is an Irish name. My family > > thought > > >> it was English. > > >> > > >> Someone else suggested my Daniel was descended from Roger. Does anyone > > have > > >> any detail on that line? I have access to the IGI, but I'm still not > > sure > > >> which Daniel I'm supposed to be following--and did he have a brother > > William? > > >> Dorothy Muirhead suggested that my Daniel was the son of Peter Barton. > > But > > >> that line leads back to Edward (Edward1, Matthew2, Benjamin3, Joseph4, > > >> Caleb5, Peter6, Peter Jr.7, then Daniel and William?) > > >> > > >> And, to go back to my original question, are there any descendants of > > Mary > > >> Anne, Robert Loveland, William F., Charles B, Willard Allen, Henry Byron, > > or > > >> Daniel Moody Barton lurking out there? I did check all the middle names > > >> against the Barton Index and found none of them. > > >> > > >> My family did pass on a number of stories, but I have a sneaking feeling > > they > > >> tended to get mixed up over time. The reference to the slightly murky > > >> background of the Barton side of the family was attached to an early > > ship's > > >> captain who was reputed to have a wife in England and in the colonies > > >> (presumably the English one came first)--but the name my family > > associated > > >> with that little myth turns out to have been a military captain (no > > ship), > > >> and have a clean record. So was it a Barton story? > > >> > > >> All suggestions welcome. > > >> > > >> Sheila Connolly > > >> > > >> P.S. I have a lovely photo of Silas Abbott Barton, in case anyone wants > > to > > >> compare features. > > >> > > >> ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > >> All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their > > writers. > > >> Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > > >> any message from this list. > > > > > > > > >==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > >Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: > > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > > >for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other > > helpful genealogy pages. > > > > > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > > Please visit the surname mailing list homepage at: http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cbrogan/barton.html > > for information on this list, it's member's pages, queries and other helpful genealogy pages. > > > ==== BARTON Mailing List ==== > All messages posted to this mailing list are the property of their writers. > Please obtain permission from all parties before forwarding or publishing > any message from this list.