Hi Pete, The reason my notes get a bit vague later on is that I aren't researching Barraclough after about 1800. My own connections occur before then. I will have got the references to the children from the two brothers' Wills, especially John's which was made in 1836/37. Abraham's brothers, Frank b. 1759 and John b. 1756 were the children of Francis and Hannah Tordoff. Betty Oats married Abraham Barraclough b.1761 at Bradford Parish Church on 17 April 1786 and was a spinster. What happened after that I couldn't really say. I prefer the second wife theory, there were a lot of Betty's around and it was not uncommon for men to remarry. Jeff. -----Original Message----- From: Peter Northing [mailto:petn@slayleigh63.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 28 March 2004 20:54 To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] DESPERATELY SEEKING ABRAHAM !!!! Hi Jeff Now I am getting a bit confused. Fairly normal for me. I do have copies of the wills of the brothers Frank & John. But have those two gents as the sons of Betty ODDY. It occurs to me that your Betty OATS and my Betty ODDY just might be the same persons. Just a little error in the nameOats / Oddy would cover this. And such a transcription error would be easy. Also I have the Bap of this Abraham as Parish Register entry reads: : Abram. son of Francis Barraclough baptised 5th July 1761 Compares with your date of 11th July. Could this be another error ? Or dates of Birth then Baptism ? My problem now is that I don't know the source of the Betty ODDY name. I think I took it from the Barraclough List some long time ago. And I have not much information about her. Only the 1851 census when she was living with her daughter Hannah SMITH & fam 1851 Census piece2304 ed2 folio33 sched24 Dwelling: Slack Side Census Place : North Bierley, Yorkshire, England George Smith Head Mar M 48 Ag Lab Yorks., ? Hannah Smith Wife Mar F 43 Yorks., North Bierley George Smith Son Un M 24 Engin Tender Yorks., North Bierley John Smith Son Un M 15 Worster Spinner Yorks., North Bierley Martha Smith Daughter F 13 Worster Spinner Yorks., North Bierley Frederick Smith Son M 12 Worster Spinner Yorks., North Bierley Betty Barraclough Mother Wid F 66 Pauper Yorks., North Bierley Who were the six children born after b1800 ? May I please have details of the marriage 17 Apr 1786. The real problem seems to be that the Betty, mother of Hannah SMITH was age 66 on 1851 census so born about 1784 so would have been only age 2 at time of the marriage in 1786. So presumably marriied an Abraham a generation up. There were enough of them to go round. Puzzled Pete Jeff Sutcliffe wrote: >I have Abraham Barraclough, son of Francis and Hannah baptised 11 July 1761, >marrying Betty Oats on 17 April 1786. After that my notes are a bit vague. >They had six children born after 1800 who were alive in 1836 and there are >references to the family in the Wills of Abraham's brothers Frank and John. >Perhaps Betty Oddy was Abraham's second wife, that would explain a lot. > >Jeff > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Northing [mailto:petn@slayleigh63.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: 27 March 2004 14:30 >To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] DESPERATELY SEEKING ABRAHAM !!!! > >Hello de b > >I have this noted as >Parish Register entry reads: >Abram. son of Francis Barraclough baptised 5th July 1761 > >Is there a problem with this ??? > >Pete > >de barraclough wrote: > > > >>Greetings Kim,Linda and every other Barraclough Lister. >>please,Please,PLEASE can't anyone tell which >>Abraham B.it was that married Betty Oddy ? >>They were the parents of Hannah B.,bap.in 1807,who later marr.George Smith >>in 1823. >>Surely Abraham must be lurking somewhere in Kim's vast Barraclough Database >>??? >>Cheers------Desperate Derek 1. >> >> >>==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== >>Would you like to record a Barraclough Biography? >>Check out "Biographies" at >>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/barraclough/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> > >______________________________ > > >==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== >The Home Page for this List is at: >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/barraclough/index.html > > > > ______________________________

Hello Jeff Thanks for the mail. You can't be any more vague than I am at present ! I have copies of the wills of Frank & John B. Brothers of young Abraham (1761 - 1815) The second marriage theory would certainly run. If so there should be a burial of Betty Barraclough ( Oates ) That marriage in 1761 would be possible . Abraham would have been age 25. A good mariagable age. But no children ??. The first of the next marriage bap 1803. Seems to be too long a gap. More work needed. Looking at the dates I have Abraham died and buried 17 May 1815 age 54 - at Holy Trinity, Wibsey. Possibly there is a generation (Anothe Abraham ?) missed out. I have the birth of his last child, another Abraham, as bap at Wibsey 24 Jan 1816 BUT noted as "Abraham son of Abraham & Elizabeth Barraclough, of Wibsey, Manufacturer baptised 14 January 1816" This suggests he has been attached to the wrong family. As his previous children are all shown as of Francis son of Abraham Barraclough ofWibsey Stuff Maker,baptised 28 Jul 1803 Martha daughter of Abraham Barraclough,of Rawnook, Labourer baptised 21st October 1804 Hannah daughter of Abraham Barraclough, of Bank, Weaver baptised 11th January 1807 Mary daughter of Abraham& Betty Barraclough of Wibsey, Labourer, baptised 1st January 1814 Joseph son of Abraham & Betty Barraclough, of Wibsey Labourer, baptised 1 Jan 1814 Abraham son of Abraham & Elizabeth Barraclough, of Wibsey, Manufacturer baptised 14 January 1816 Is this too many changes of occupation for one Abraham ? Do you know if Abraham died 1815 left a will ? Pete Jeff Sutcliffe wrote: >Hi Pete, > >The reason my notes get a bit vague later on is that I aren't researching >Barraclough after about 1800. My own connections occur before then. I will >have got the references to the children from the two brothers' Wills, >especially John's which was made in 1836/37. >Abraham's brothers, Frank b. 1759 and John b. 1756 were the children of >Francis and Hannah Tordoff. Betty Oats married Abraham Barraclough b.1761 at >Bradford Parish Church on 17 April 1786 and was a spinster. What happened >after that I couldn't really say. >I prefer the second wife theory, there were a lot of Betty's around and it >was not uncommon for men to remarry. > >Jeff. > >-----Original Message----- >From: Peter Northing [mailto:petn@slayleigh63.freeserve.co.uk] >Sent: 28 March 2004 20:54 >To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] DESPERATELY SEEKING ABRAHAM !!!! > >Hi Jeff >Now I am getting a bit confused. Fairly normal for me. > >I do have copies of the wills of the brothers Frank & John. >But have those two gents as the sons of Betty ODDY. >It occurs to me that your Betty OATS and my Betty ODDY just might be the >same persons. >Just a little error in the nameOats / Oddy would cover this. And such a >transcription error would be easy. > >Also I have the Bap of this Abraham as >Parish Register entry reads: : Abram. son of Francis Barraclough >baptised 5th July 1761 >Compares with your date of 11th July. >Could this be another error ? Or dates of Birth then Baptism ? > >My problem now is that I don't know the source of the Betty ODDY name. >I think I took it from the Barraclough List some long time ago. >And I have not much information about her. Only the 1851 census when she >was living with her daughter Hannah SMITH & fam > >1851 Census piece2304 ed2 folio33 sched24 >Dwelling: Slack Side Census Place : North Bierley, Yorkshire, England >George Smith Head Mar M 48 Ag Lab Yorks., ? >Hannah Smith Wife Mar F 43 Yorks., North Bierley >George Smith Son Un M 24 Engin Tender Yorks., North Bierley >John Smith Son Un M 15 Worster Spinner Yorks., North Bierley >Martha Smith Daughter F 13 Worster Spinner Yorks., North Bierley >Frederick Smith Son M 12 Worster Spinner Yorks., North Bierley >Betty Barraclough Mother Wid F 66 Pauper Yorks., North >Bierley > >Who were the six children born after b1800 ? >May I please have details of the marriage 17 Apr 1786. > >The real problem seems to be that the Betty, mother of Hannah SMITH was >age 66 on 1851 census so born about 1784 so would have been only age 2 >at time of the marriage in 1786. So presumably marriied an Abraham a >generation up. There were enough of them to go round. > >Puzzled Pete > > > >Jeff Sutcliffe wrote: > > > >>I have Abraham Barraclough, son of Francis and Hannah baptised 11 July >> >> >1761, > > >>marrying Betty Oats on 17 April 1786. After that my notes are a bit vague. >>They had six children born after 1800 who were alive in 1836 and there are >>references to the family in the Wills of Abraham's brothers Frank and John. >>Perhaps Betty Oddy was Abraham's second wife, that would explain a lot. >> >>Jeff >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Peter Northing [mailto:petn@slayleigh63.freeserve.co.uk] >>Sent: 27 March 2004 14:30 >>To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] DESPERATELY SEEKING ABRAHAM !!!! >> >>Hello de b >> >>I have this noted as >>Parish Register entry reads: >>Abram. son of Francis Barraclough baptised 5th July 1761 >> >>Is there a problem with this ??? >> >>Pete >> >>de barraclough wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>>Greetings Kim,Linda and every other Barraclough Lister. >>>please,Please,PLEASE can't anyone tell which >>>Abraham B.it was that married Betty Oddy ? >>>They were the parents of Hannah B.,bap.in 1807,who later marr.George Smith >>>in 1823. >>>Surely Abraham must be lurking somewhere in Kim's vast Barraclough >>> >>> >Database > > >>>??? >>>Cheers------Desperate Derek 1. >>> >>> >>>==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== >>>Would you like to record a Barraclough Biography? >>>Check out "Biographies" at >>>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/barraclough/index.html >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>______________________________ >> >> >>==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== >>The Home Page for this List is at: >>http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/barraclough/index.html >> >> >> >> >> >> > >______________________________ > > >==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== >Would you like to record a Barraclough Biography? >Check out "Biographies" at >http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/barraclough/index.html > > > >