hi Kim, sorry I've been out of touch for a long time, pressure of teenagers and work!! just got a bit of enforced free time on my hands at the mo as I broke my arm a few weeks ago. So now I can't drive the kids around or go to work it seemed a good time to take a trip up north to do a bit more research. thanks, the in-laws are fine and send there regards, and you will be delighted to know they have now caught the family history bug from me and are avidly researching the Ellis and Edwards lines. got a feeling there are planning another trip down under early next year so may be you can meet up again. Julie