Hello Carol, How nice to hear from you again.I'm sorry but I'm no nearer breaking down my very solid brick wall----that John Barraclough who married Susanna(h) Radcliffe/Ratcliffe ; my gt.gt.gt grandparents,and Ray's ancestors too of course. For the benefit of the list here's a re-cap-- John Barraclough [dob & parents unknown], marr.Susannah Radcliffe at Bradford PC 28.4.1811. He died before the 1841 census,and pre-1837 registration,leaving no clues as to his identity. Children of the marriage that I'm sure of-- a)Joseph bap.17.11.1811 [my gt.gt.grandad] b)Thomas bap.12.12.1813 [Ray's ancestor] c)John bap.27.1.1816. d)Sarah bap.21.9.1817. e)Squire b.c.1820-21. I've long held the theory that the father of this 'mysterious' John,was probably called Joseph,because he named his eldest son Joseph and in turn Joseph named HIS eldest son John. Unfortunately I can't prove this theory. Carol,please can you remind me which certificate of Levi's names Thomas as his father ? Was it birth cert.or marriage cert.? Whichever it was please can you send me the date,so that I can get my own copy. Cheers-------Derek.