Derek did you get the information I sent you the other day ? just in case you didn't here it is again, on the marriage certificate fof Levi and Martha Elizabeth July 13, 1872 Sion Chapel Bridge St., Bradford, Baptist father Thomas B. worsted weaver and Martha's father Abraham night watchman at a factory all of Beck Hill. Witnesses Edwin Wright and Alice Wright. Carol BARRACLOUGH-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 BARRACLOUGH-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: BARRACLOUGH- ["Kim Pasquill" #2 Re: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? ["Kim Pasquill" #3 Love in Beck Hill. ["de barraclough" #4 Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Love in Beck Hil ["john sidebotham" #5 Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: [WRY] : Was ["john sidebotham" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the BARRACLOUGH-D maillist, send a message to BARRACLOUGH-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. 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They are the Barraclough GenConnect Board at: http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/barraclough/ and Kim Pasquill's Barraclough Home Page at: http://users.net2000.com.au/~football/index.html ===================== ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:12:49 +1000 From: "Kim Pasquill" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #57 Hi Carol, The parents of Joseph B who married Hannah Robinson are Abraham Barraclough & Hannah Pullen, they married at Bradford PC 9 May 1734, they did not have a son Francis. Abraham's parents where Jonas Barraclough & Elizabeth Peel who married at Bradford PC 12 Nov 1712 (This Jonas married twice the second marriage was to Alice Longley 13 May 1720 at Bradford PC) He had children to both marriages) Jonas's parents where Jonas Barraclough & Margaret Copley who married at Bradford PC 8th Jan 1683 Jonas's parents I beleive are Jonas Barraclough & Ann ? (we have not been able to find the marriage yet) I will send you the family group sheets for each so that your head can stop spinning :-)))))))) PS, I have not been able to find the marriage of Thomas Barraclough to Amelia as yet. I think from memory it was my belief that they probably married but had not found the marriage. It certainly would help if you told Derek and I what certificate did state that Thomas was Levi's father, and what the certificate stated. Cheers Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Whitham" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #57 > > > My appologies for assuming you had all the information Jeff. I am filling it in for you and the rest of the list and maybe I can get it right. I am clear up to Joseph B. and Hannah Robinson. I am assuming also that Hannah Pollen and Pollard are the same person. I found spelled both ways and I have May 24 1734 as the marriage date. I had 2 sons attached somewhere in here as Francis one yours married to Martha Wood which I fixed and another. I guess my confusion is after Abraham and Hannah Pullen/Pollard to Joseph and Betty Smith. I have made a mistake in here and probably not just one but would like to get it right. So you listers anyone got the solution???? My head is spinning its the blone hair showing up again after all these years. Carol > > > Hi Carol, > > It's not simple and straightforward, is it? I'm afraid I can't really help > you on this one as I haven't put together that family line. It would have > helped if you had put some dates down, but I found the marriage of Abraham > and Betty Smith in 1764. I don't have a Hannah Pullen, but I do have a > marriage of Abraham to Hannah Pollard in 1734. Again I don't have a Jonas > marriage to a Hannah Peel, but I do have one to an Elizabeth Peel in 1712. > I remember sorting out Francis's family from his father's very detailed > Will. > I'm not sure what you mean by two Francis's; there were certainly two > Abraham's that caused me a problem born in 1676 and 1682, the first being > Francis's father who left the Will. > As I said, I don't suppose this helps very much. > Good luck. > > Jeff Sutcliffe > http://www.btinternet.com/~jeff.sutcliffe > Researching Ambler, Baker, Barraclough, Bates, Booth, Broadbent, Brook, > Brown, Chadwick, Collins, Coning, Crowther, Fearnley, Hanson, Hardcastle, > Hartas, Harwood, Holmes, Metcalf, Nowell, Oliver, Pennington, Pollard, > Radcliffe, Roebuck, Routh, Smith, Sugden, Sutcliffe, Tordoff, Ventress, > Walker, Whitaker, Whiteley, Wilkinson, Wilson > All of the Yorkshire Area. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Whitham [mailto:razorcc@yahoo.com] > Sent: 14 May 2004 13:54 > To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #55 > > Hi Folks: Been a while but I have been following all the chatter. Well > done Jeff but in doing so I have gone though my data collected from you, > Derek and Kim. My head is spinning. Now I'm very confused and that does > not take much. > > John and Susanna Ratcliffe: > > Derek: This is for you from you to me. > > Father of Thomas and Joseph (Derek beleive he is yours making Ray and you > cousins. :) Do you go further back here?????? > > Kim's original messages to me: working backwards > > Thomas Barraclough and Betty Barraclough (not married) : mother of Levi, > Amelia, Mary Jane, Lucy > > Betty's parents Joseph Terry Barraclough and Mary Jowett m sept 29 1811. > > Joseph's parents Joseph Barraclough and Hannah Robinson m Oct16 1786 > > Joseph's parents were Abraham Barraclough 1745 and Betty Smith apr 22 1764 three children Josesph may 8 1768, James dec 1 1788 and Abraham apr 20 1766. ( James may not even fit in here the date is off) I have Ann Attack as a second wife m. dec 28 1767 with Joseph mar 25 1768 and John July 12 1772 as children. None of this seems to fit. > Now it is here I have really made a lot of mistakes I think. Where does the above Abraham and Betty Smith with son Joseph fit in. I have dates for the above > Abraham's parents where Abraham Barraclough and Hannah Pullen/Pollard May 24,1734 children Abraham and Hannah feb 26 1737m Jonas Kellet feb 5 1758. > > > Abraham's jan 6 1714parents where Jonas Barraclough Dec 2 1688 and Hannah Elizabeth Peel Nov. 12 1712 and I assume the children are Abraham Jan 6 1714, Ann July 26 1719 and Joshua abt 1717. I have a second wife Alice Longley m. May 13 1720 with three children 1. Thomas Dec 25 1723 m. Hannah Barraclough with children Abraham (date above) with a child Hannah June 17, 1770, Samuel Sept 2 1746 and John Jan 28 1749, 2.Francis dec 25, 1725 and 3.Jonas abt 1726. > > Abraham > Carol Whitham > > > > > > > > > > - ------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > ______________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > This List is set so that, by default, replies go to the whole List. So, if you use "Return to Sender" everyone sees your reply. > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:15:32 +1000 From: "Kim Pasquill" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? Hi Derek, We you learn something every day! I always thought a cordwainer had something to do with Weaving Only goes to show we never stop learning. Cheers Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "de barraclough" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? > Hi John, > Throughout the 18th century,and well into the > 19th,shoemakers were known more often as > cordwainers. > Cheers--------Derek. > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:32:06 +0100 From: "de barraclough" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Love in Beck Hill. My father,Lucius Barraclough,married my mother,Hilda Oates,in 1926.At the reception dad's mother said to her new daughter-in-law 'Aye well tha's noan t'fust Oites lass to wed inta ar famly'. And for those whose first language is English, that meant--'Yes,but you're not the first Oates girl to marry into this family' Grandma Barraclough didn't explain further,and it wasn't until I took up family history almost 60 years later,that I discovered the truth behind this mysterious statement,much to my parent's surprise. The two families involved in this marital saga were those of John Barraclough (labourer),and Richard Oates (butcher),both living on Beck Hill,Buttershaw.In 1841 they actually lived in adjoining houses. The first marriage between members of these two families was between John B's grandson Samuel B.and Richard O's daughter Elizabeth. John B. Richard O. * * * * Joseph B. * * * * * Samuel B. Elizabeth O. Elizabeth had married a Shelf farmer,James Blackburn,who died tragically young leaving her with 3 small sons to bring up.She went home to Beck Hill to live with her parents [1851],and there became re-acquainted with Samuel.They married at Bradford PC on the 28th.Sept.1863,and continued to live on Beck Hill. The second marriage between the Barraclough and Oates families took place just 9 years later.Again this involved a grandson of John B and this time a grand-daughter of Richard O. John B. Richard O. * * * * Thomas B. Sarah O. * (mar.Abraham B.) * * * * Levi B. Martha Elizabeth B. Levi was the illegitimate son of Thomas and the 'girl next door' Betty Barraclough (no relation) ; and the Abraham who married Sarah O.was from yet another Barraclough line. Levi married Martha E.on July 13th.1872,at Sion Chapel (Baptist),Bridge St.Bradford. So now we come to the third (last ?) union of members of these dynasties ! My parents. John B. Richard O. * * Joseph B. Thomas O. * * William B. Ben O. * * Willie B. Thomas William O. * * Lucius B. Hilda O. My parents weren't living on Beck Hill when they first met,but the meeting place was Beck Hill Fish & Chip Shop ! It was no Romeo and Juliet affair.It WAS Beck Hill after all ; and Buttershaw is a far cry from Verona ! They were teen-agers and it was just after the end of The Great War.Apparently dad called her 'Bacon Face',at which mum stuck her tongue out at him,and replied with something equally rude A few years later mother went to work at Buttershaw Mill,where father was a young weaving-overlooker. The rest,as they say,is history. Derek Barraclough. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:31:29 +1000 From: "john sidebotham" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Love in Beck Hill. Any comments about Barracloughs loving their Oates would be highly inappropriate and should not be made. :-) john s. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:43:40 +1000 From: "john sidebotham" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? Cordwainers were shoe makers, and cobblers were (and are) shoe repairers. The word apparently is derived from the Spanish city of Cordoba (pronounced Cordova) which was famous for its leather goods. I believe that high quality leather was known as Cordoba. My ancestor (and brick wall) Joseph Barraclough was a cordwainer. He was born sometime in the 1790s, married Martha Wilson at Bingley on 16/7/1811 and sadly died at Eccleshill in 1825. His admon, sworn by Martha, showed that he had left property worth less than five pounds. If any of you have any info on either him or Martha, I would like to hear from you. They seem to be the forgotten Eccleshill Barracloughs! john s --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.