Any comments about Barracloughs loving their Oates would be highly inappropriate and should not be made. :-) john s.

Derek did you get the information I sent you the other day ? just in case you didn't here it is again, on the marriage certificate fof Levi and Martha Elizabeth July 13, 1872 Sion Chapel Bridge St., Bradford, Baptist father Thomas B. worsted weaver and Martha's father Abraham night watchman at a factory all of Beck Hill. Witnesses Edwin Wright and Alice Wright. Carol BARRACLOUGH-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 BARRACLOUGH-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 59 Today's Topics: #1 Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: BARRACLOUGH- ["Kim Pasquill" #2 Re: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? ["Kim Pasquill" #3 Love in Beck Hill. ["de barraclough" #4 Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Love in Beck Hil ["john sidebotham" #5 Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: [WRY] : Was ["john sidebotham" Administrivia: To unsubscribe from the BARRACLOUGH-D maillist, send a message to BARRACLOUGH-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. 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They are the Barraclough GenConnect Board at: http://genforum.familytreemaker.com/barraclough/ and Kim Pasquill's Barraclough Home Page at: http://users.net2000.com.au/~football/index.html ===================== ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:12:49 +1000 From: "Kim Pasquill" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #57 Hi Carol, The parents of Joseph B who married Hannah Robinson are Abraham Barraclough & Hannah Pullen, they married at Bradford PC 9 May 1734, they did not have a son Francis. Abraham's parents where Jonas Barraclough & Elizabeth Peel who married at Bradford PC 12 Nov 1712 (This Jonas married twice the second marriage was to Alice Longley 13 May 1720 at Bradford PC) He had children to both marriages) Jonas's parents where Jonas Barraclough & Margaret Copley who married at Bradford PC 8th Jan 1683 Jonas's parents I beleive are Jonas Barraclough & Ann ? (we have not been able to find the marriage yet) I will send you the family group sheets for each so that your head can stop spinning :-)))))))) PS, I have not been able to find the marriage of Thomas Barraclough to Amelia as yet. I think from memory it was my belief that they probably married but had not found the marriage. It certainly would help if you told Derek and I what certificate did state that Thomas was Levi's father, and what the certificate stated. Cheers Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Whitham" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #57 > > > My appologies for assuming you had all the information Jeff. I am filling it in for you and the rest of the list and maybe I can get it right. I am clear up to Joseph B. and Hannah Robinson. I am assuming also that Hannah Pollen and Pollard are the same person. I found spelled both ways and I have May 24 1734 as the marriage date. I had 2 sons attached somewhere in here as Francis one yours married to Martha Wood which I fixed and another. I guess my confusion is after Abraham and Hannah Pullen/Pollard to Joseph and Betty Smith. I have made a mistake in here and probably not just one but would like to get it right. So you listers anyone got the solution???? My head is spinning its the blone hair showing up again after all these years. Carol > > > Hi Carol, > > It's not simple and straightforward, is it? I'm afraid I can't really help > you on this one as I haven't put together that family line. It would have > helped if you had put some dates down, but I found the marriage of Abraham > and Betty Smith in 1764. I don't have a Hannah Pullen, but I do have a > marriage of Abraham to Hannah Pollard in 1734. Again I don't have a Jonas > marriage to a Hannah Peel, but I do have one to an Elizabeth Peel in 1712. > I remember sorting out Francis's family from his father's very detailed > Will. > I'm not sure what you mean by two Francis's; there were certainly two > Abraham's that caused me a problem born in 1676 and 1682, the first being > Francis's father who left the Will. > As I said, I don't suppose this helps very much. > Good luck. > > Jeff Sutcliffe > http://www.btinternet.com/~jeff.sutcliffe > Researching Ambler, Baker, Barraclough, Bates, Booth, Broadbent, Brook, > Brown, Chadwick, Collins, Coning, Crowther, Fearnley, Hanson, Hardcastle, > Hartas, Harwood, Holmes, Metcalf, Nowell, Oliver, Pennington, Pollard, > Radcliffe, Roebuck, Routh, Smith, Sugden, Sutcliffe, Tordoff, Ventress, > Walker, Whitaker, Whiteley, Wilkinson, Wilson > All of the Yorkshire Area. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Whitham [mailto:razorcc@yahoo.com] > Sent: 14 May 2004 13:54 > To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #55 > > Hi Folks: Been a while but I have been following all the chatter. Well > done Jeff but in doing so I have gone though my data collected from you, > Derek and Kim. My head is spinning. Now I'm very confused and that does > not take much. > > John and Susanna Ratcliffe: > > Derek: This is for you from you to me. > > Father of Thomas and Joseph (Derek beleive he is yours making Ray and you > cousins. :) Do you go further back here?????? > > Kim's original messages to me: working backwards > > Thomas Barraclough and Betty Barraclough (not married) : mother of Levi, > Amelia, Mary Jane, Lucy > > Betty's parents Joseph Terry Barraclough and Mary Jowett m sept 29 1811. > > Joseph's parents Joseph Barraclough and Hannah Robinson m Oct16 1786 > > Joseph's parents were Abraham Barraclough 1745 and Betty Smith apr 22 1764 three children Josesph may 8 1768, James dec 1 1788 and Abraham apr 20 1766. ( James may not even fit in here the date is off) I have Ann Attack as a second wife m. dec 28 1767 with Joseph mar 25 1768 and John July 12 1772 as children. None of this seems to fit. > Now it is here I have really made a lot of mistakes I think. Where does the above Abraham and Betty Smith with son Joseph fit in. I have dates for the above > Abraham's parents where Abraham Barraclough and Hannah Pullen/Pollard May 24,1734 children Abraham and Hannah feb 26 1737m Jonas Kellet feb 5 1758. > > > Abraham's jan 6 1714parents where Jonas Barraclough Dec 2 1688 and Hannah Elizabeth Peel Nov. 12 1712 and I assume the children are Abraham Jan 6 1714, Ann July 26 1719 and Joshua abt 1717. I have a second wife Alice Longley m. May 13 1720 with three children 1. Thomas Dec 25 1723 m. Hannah Barraclough with children Abraham (date above) with a child Hannah June 17, 1770, Samuel Sept 2 1746 and John Jan 28 1749, 2.Francis dec 25, 1725 and 3.Jonas abt 1726. > > Abraham > Carol Whitham > > > > > > > > > > - ------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > ______________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > This List is set so that, by default, replies go to the whole List. So, if you use "Return to Sender" everyone sees your reply. > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 20:15:32 +1000 From: "Kim Pasquill" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? Hi Derek, We you learn something every day! I always thought a cordwainer had something to do with Weaving Only goes to show we never stop learning. Cheers Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "de barraclough" To: Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? > Hi John, > Throughout the 18th century,and well into the > 19th,shoemakers were known more often as > cordwainers. > Cheers--------Derek. > ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Mon, 17 May 2004 17:32:06 +0100 From: "de barraclough" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Love in Beck Hill. My father,Lucius Barraclough,married my mother,Hilda Oates,in 1926.At the reception dad's mother said to her new daughter-in-law 'Aye well tha's noan t'fust Oites lass to wed inta ar famly'. And for those whose first language is English, that meant--'Yes,but you're not the first Oates girl to marry into this family' Grandma Barraclough didn't explain further,and it wasn't until I took up family history almost 60 years later,that I discovered the truth behind this mysterious statement,much to my parent's surprise. The two families involved in this marital saga were those of John Barraclough (labourer),and Richard Oates (butcher),both living on Beck Hill,Buttershaw.In 1841 they actually lived in adjoining houses. The first marriage between members of these two families was between John B's grandson Samuel B.and Richard O's daughter Elizabeth. John B. Richard O. * * * * Joseph B. * * * * * Samuel B. Elizabeth O. Elizabeth had married a Shelf farmer,James Blackburn,who died tragically young leaving her with 3 small sons to bring up.She went home to Beck Hill to live with her parents [1851],and there became re-acquainted with Samuel.They married at Bradford PC on the 28th.Sept.1863,and continued to live on Beck Hill. The second marriage between the Barraclough and Oates families took place just 9 years later.Again this involved a grandson of John B and this time a grand-daughter of Richard O. John B. Richard O. * * * * Thomas B. Sarah O. * (mar.Abraham B.) * * * * Levi B. Martha Elizabeth B. Levi was the illegitimate son of Thomas and the 'girl next door' Betty Barraclough (no relation) ; and the Abraham who married Sarah O.was from yet another Barraclough line. Levi married Martha E.on July 13th.1872,at Sion Chapel (Baptist),Bridge St.Bradford. So now we come to the third (last ?) union of members of these dynasties ! My parents. John B. Richard O. * * Joseph B. Thomas O. * * William B. Ben O. * * Willie B. Thomas William O. * * Lucius B. Hilda O. My parents weren't living on Beck Hill when they first met,but the meeting place was Beck Hill Fish & Chip Shop ! It was no Romeo and Juliet affair.It WAS Beck Hill after all ; and Buttershaw is a far cry from Verona ! They were teen-agers and it was just after the end of The Great War.Apparently dad called her 'Bacon Face',at which mum stuck her tongue out at him,and replied with something equally rude A few years later mother went to work at Buttershaw Mill,where father was a young weaving-overlooker. The rest,as they say,is history. Derek Barraclough. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:31:29 +1000 From: "john sidebotham" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Love in Beck Hill. Any comments about Barracloughs loving their Oates would be highly inappropriate and should not be made. :-) john s. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 6 message/rfc822 Date: Tue, 18 May 2004 08:43:40 +1000 From: "john sidebotham" To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? Cordwainers were shoe makers, and cobblers were (and are) shoe repairers. The word apparently is derived from the Spanish city of Cordoba (pronounced Cordova) which was famous for its leather goods. I believe that high quality leather was known as Cordoba. My ancestor (and brick wall) Joseph Barraclough was a cordwainer. He was born sometime in the 1790s, married Martha Wilson at Bingley on 16/7/1811 and sadly died at Eccleshill in 1825. His admon, sworn by Martha, showed that he had left property worth less than five pounds. If any of you have any info on either him or Martha, I would like to hear from you. They seem to be the forgotten Eccleshill Barracloughs! john s --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.

Hi Derek, We you learn something every day! I always thought a cordwainer had something to do with Weaving Only goes to show we never stop learning. Cheers Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "de barraclough" <debarraclough1@activemail.co.uk> To: <WEST-RIDING-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:03 PM Subject: [WRY] : Was he a shoemaker? > Hi John, > Throughout the 18th century,and well into the > 19th,shoemakers were known more often as > cordwainers. > Cheers--------Derek. >

Hi Carol, The parents of Joseph B who married Hannah Robinson are Abraham Barraclough & Hannah Pullen, they married at Bradford PC 9 May 1734, they did not have a son Francis. Abraham's parents where Jonas Barraclough & Elizabeth Peel who married at Bradford PC 12 Nov 1712 (This Jonas married twice the second marriage was to Alice Longley 13 May 1720 at Bradford PC) He had children to both marriages) Jonas's parents where Jonas Barraclough & Margaret Copley who married at Bradford PC 8th Jan 1683 Jonas's parents I beleive are Jonas Barraclough & Ann ? (we have not been able to find the marriage yet) I will send you the family group sheets for each so that your head can stop spinning :-)))))))) PS, I have not been able to find the marriage of Thomas Barraclough to Amelia as yet. I think from memory it was my belief that they probably married but had not found the marriage. It certainly would help if you told Derek and I what certificate did state that Thomas was Levi's father, and what the certificate stated. Cheers Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray Whitham" <razorcc@yahoo.com> To: <BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 16, 2004 11:00 PM Subject: [BARRACLOUGH] Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #57 > > > My appologies for assuming you had all the information Jeff. I am filling it in for you and the rest of the list and maybe I can get it right. I am clear up to Joseph B. and Hannah Robinson. I am assuming also that Hannah Pollen and Pollard are the same person. I found spelled both ways and I have May 24 1734 as the marriage date. I had 2 sons attached somewhere in here as Francis one yours married to Martha Wood which I fixed and another. I guess my confusion is after Abraham and Hannah Pullen/Pollard to Joseph and Betty Smith. I have made a mistake in here and probably not just one but would like to get it right. So you listers anyone got the solution???? My head is spinning its the blone hair showing up again after all these years. Carol > > > Hi Carol, > > It's not simple and straightforward, is it? I'm afraid I can't really help > you on this one as I haven't put together that family line. It would have > helped if you had put some dates down, but I found the marriage of Abraham > and Betty Smith in 1764. I don't have a Hannah Pullen, but I do have a > marriage of Abraham to Hannah Pollard in 1734. Again I don't have a Jonas > marriage to a Hannah Peel, but I do have one to an Elizabeth Peel in 1712. > I remember sorting out Francis's family from his father's very detailed > Will. > I'm not sure what you mean by two Francis's; there were certainly two > Abraham's that caused me a problem born in 1676 and 1682, the first being > Francis's father who left the Will. > As I said, I don't suppose this helps very much. > Good luck. > > Jeff Sutcliffe > http://www.btinternet.com/~jeff.sutcliffe > Researching Ambler, Baker, Barraclough, Bates, Booth, Broadbent, Brook, > Brown, Chadwick, Collins, Coning, Crowther, Fearnley, Hanson, Hardcastle, > Hartas, Harwood, Holmes, Metcalf, Nowell, Oliver, Pennington, Pollard, > Radcliffe, Roebuck, Routh, Smith, Sugden, Sutcliffe, Tordoff, Ventress, > Walker, Whitaker, Whiteley, Wilkinson, Wilson > All of the Yorkshire Area. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ray Whitham [mailto:razorcc@yahoo.com] > Sent: 14 May 2004 13:54 > To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #55 > > Hi Folks: Been a while but I have been following all the chatter. Well > done Jeff but in doing so I have gone though my data collected from you, > Derek and Kim. My head is spinning. Now I'm very confused and that does > not take much. > > John and Susanna Ratcliffe: > > Derek: This is for you from you to me. > > Father of Thomas and Joseph (Derek beleive he is yours making Ray and you > cousins. :) Do you go further back here?????? > > Kim's original messages to me: working backwards > > Thomas Barraclough and Betty Barraclough (not married) : mother of Levi, > Amelia, Mary Jane, Lucy > > Betty's parents Joseph Terry Barraclough and Mary Jowett m sept 29 1811. > > Joseph's parents Joseph Barraclough and Hannah Robinson m Oct16 1786 > > Joseph's parents were Abraham Barraclough 1745 and Betty Smith apr 22 1764 three children Josesph may 8 1768, James dec 1 1788 and Abraham apr 20 1766. ( James may not even fit in here the date is off) I have Ann Attack as a second wife m. dec 28 1767 with Joseph mar 25 1768 and John July 12 1772 as children. None of this seems to fit. > Now it is here I have really made a lot of mistakes I think. Where does the above Abraham and Betty Smith with son Joseph fit in. I have dates for the above > Abraham's parents where Abraham Barraclough and Hannah Pullen/Pollard May 24,1734 children Abraham and Hannah feb 26 1737m Jonas Kellet feb 5 1758. > > > Abraham's jan 6 1714parents where Jonas Barraclough Dec 2 1688 and Hannah Elizabeth Peel Nov. 12 1712 and I assume the children are Abraham Jan 6 1714, Ann July 26 1719 and Joshua abt 1717. I have a second wife Alice Longley m. May 13 1720 with three children 1. Thomas Dec 25 1723 m. Hannah Barraclough with children Abraham (date above) with a child Hannah June 17, 1770, Samuel Sept 2 1746 and John Jan 28 1749, 2.Francis dec 25, 1725 and 3.Jonas abt 1726. > > Abraham > Carol Whitham > > > > > > > > > > - ------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > ______________________________ > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Do you Yahoo!? > SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > This List is set so that, by default, replies go to the whole List. So, if you use "Return to Sender" everyone sees your reply. >

My father,Lucius Barraclough,married my mother,Hilda Oates,in 1926.At the reception dad's mother said to her new daughter-in-law 'Aye well tha's noan t'fust Oites lass to wed inta ar famly'. And for those whose first language is English, that meant--'Yes,but you're not the first Oates girl to marry into this family' Grandma Barraclough didn't explain further,and it wasn't until I took up family history almost 60 years later,that I discovered the truth behind this mysterious statement,much to my parent's surprise. The two families involved in this marital saga were those of John Barraclough (labourer),and Richard Oates (butcher),both living on Beck Hill,Buttershaw.In 1841 they actually lived in adjoining houses. The first marriage between members of these two families was between John B's grandson Samuel B.and Richard O's daughter Elizabeth. John B. Richard O. * * * * Joseph B. * * * * * Samuel B. Elizabeth O. Elizabeth had married a Shelf farmer,James Blackburn,who died tragically young leaving her with 3 small sons to bring up.She went home to Beck Hill to live with her parents [1851],and there became re-acquainted with Samuel.They married at Bradford PC on the 28th.Sept.1863,and continued to live on Beck Hill. The second marriage between the Barraclough and Oates families took place just 9 years later.Again this involved a grandson of John B and this time a grand-daughter of Richard O. John B. Richard O. * * * * Thomas B. Sarah O. * (mar.Abraham B.) * * * * Levi B. Martha Elizabeth B. Levi was the illegitimate son of Thomas and the 'girl next door' Betty Barraclough (no relation) ; and the Abraham who married Sarah O.was from yet another Barraclough line. Levi married Martha E.on July 13th.1872,at Sion Chapel (Baptist),Bridge St.Bradford. So now we come to the third (last ?) union of members of these dynasties ! My parents. John B. Richard O. * * Joseph B. Thomas O. * * William B. Ben O. * * Willie B. Thomas William O. * * Lucius B. Hilda O. My parents weren't living on Beck Hill when they first met,but the meeting place was Beck Hill Fish & Chip Shop ! It was no Romeo and Juliet affair.It WAS Beck Hill after all ; and Buttershaw is a far cry from Verona ! They were teen-agers and it was just after the end of The Great War.Apparently dad called her 'Bacon Face',at which mum stuck her tongue out at him,and replied with something equally rude A few years later mother went to work at Buttershaw Mill,where father was a young weaving-overlooker. The rest,as they say,is history. Derek Barraclough.

Hello listers :) My husband's cousin's death certificate finally arrived a while back and I was wondering if anyone recognised him or his wife. Christopher Edmond Barraclough born 23 Dec 1946 in Bradford. Died 1 Jan 1991 (sad way to remember New Years Day, isn't it.) in Bridgwater, Somerset. Informant was his wife, which we didn't know about, Jennifer Margaret Barraclough. Thanks to Denise, I already knew that he was buried with his parents and grandparents in a family plot at North Bierley cemetery, Buttershaw. But I still can't find any present day rellies. I'd love to be able plant myself by that graveside and pounce on anyone who visits, but travelling from Australia is a bit too far and I don't think the Cemetery people would approve of my camping out there either. <g> I have also found out that Christopher's grandfather, Walter Barraclough was an Alderman, and later Mayor of Bradford in 1943. He was born 1880/1881, possibly in the Manningham area of the city. He was Chief Librarian in 1925 and retired in 1946. His death was apparently reported in an article dated 11th March 1950, although I haven't accessed this yet. I am told that he left a widow, two sons - Stanley Edmund (Christopher's father) and Ronald, and a married daughter whose name was given as Mrs. Lightowler. He had an interest in local history, and the library holds copies of several articles which he had published in the Bradford Antiquary journal between 1912 and 1936. So. Do these names ring any bells for anyone? We are desperately trying to find family in the UK. kind regards, Lyn in Australia. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.686 / Virus Database: 447 - Release Date: 5/14/2004

My appologies for assuming you had all the information Jeff. I am filling it in for you and the rest of the list and maybe I can get it right. I am clear up to Joseph B. and Hannah Robinson. I am assuming also that Hannah Pollen and Pollard are the same person. I found spelled both ways and I have May 24 1734 as the marriage date. I had 2 sons attached somewhere in here as Francis one yours married to Martha Wood which I fixed and another. I guess my confusion is after Abraham and Hannah Pullen/Pollard to Joseph and Betty Smith. I have made a mistake in here and probably not just one but would like to get it right. So you listers anyone got the solution???? My head is spinning its the blone hair showing up again after all these years. Carol Hi Carol, It's not simple and straightforward, is it? I'm afraid I can't really help you on this one as I haven't put together that family line. It would have helped if you had put some dates down, but I found the marriage of Abraham and Betty Smith in 1764. I don't have a Hannah Pullen, but I do have a marriage of Abraham to Hannah Pollard in 1734. Again I don't have a Jonas marriage to a Hannah Peel, but I do have one to an Elizabeth Peel in 1712. I remember sorting out Francis's family from his father's very detailed Will. I'm not sure what you mean by two Francis's; there were certainly two Abraham's that caused me a problem born in 1676 and 1682, the first being Francis's father who left the Will. As I said, I don't suppose this helps very much. Good luck. Jeff Sutcliffe http://www.btinternet.com/~jeff.sutcliffe Researching Ambler, Baker, Barraclough, Bates, Booth, Broadbent, Brook, Brown, Chadwick, Collins, Coning, Crowther, Fearnley, Hanson, Hardcastle, Hartas, Harwood, Holmes, Metcalf, Nowell, Oliver, Pennington, Pollard, Radcliffe, Roebuck, Routh, Smith, Sugden, Sutcliffe, Tordoff, Ventress, Walker, Whitaker, Whiteley, Wilkinson, Wilson All of the Yorkshire Area. -----Original Message----- From: Ray Whitham [mailto:razorcc@yahoo.com] Sent: 14 May 2004 13:54 To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: BARRACLOUGH-D Digest V04 #55 Hi Folks: Been a while but I have been following all the chatter. Well done Jeff but in doing so I have gone though my data collected from you, Derek and Kim. My head is spinning. Now I'm very confused and that does not take much. John and Susanna Ratcliffe: Derek: This is for you from you to me. Father of Thomas and Joseph (Derek beleive he is yours making Ray and you cousins. :) Do you go further back here?????? Kim's original messages to me: working backwards Thomas Barraclough and Betty Barraclough (not married) : mother of Levi, Amelia, Mary Jane, Lucy Betty's parents Joseph Terry Barraclough and Mary Jowett m sept 29 1811. Joseph's parents Joseph Barraclough and Hannah Robinson m Oct16 1786 Joseph's parents were Abraham Barraclough 1745 and Betty Smith apr 22 1764 three children Josesph may 8 1768, James dec 1 1788 and Abraham apr 20 1766. ( James may not even fit in here the date is off) I have Ann Attack as a second wife m. dec 28 1767 with Joseph mar 25 1768 and John July 12 1772 as children. None of this seems to fit. Now it is here I have really made a lot of mistakes I think. Where does the above Abraham and Betty Smith with son Joseph fit in. I have dates for the above Abraham's parents where Abraham Barraclough and Hannah Pullen/Pollard May 24,1734 children Abraham and Hannah feb 26 1737m Jonas Kellet feb 5 1758. Abraham's jan 6 1714parents where Jonas Barraclough Dec 2 1688 and Hannah Elizabeth Peel Nov. 12 1712 and I assume the children are Abraham Jan 6 1714, Ann July 26 1719 and Joshua abt 1717. I have a second wife Alice Longley m. May 13 1720 with three children 1. Thomas Dec 25 1723 m. Hannah Barraclough with children Abraham (date above) with a child Hannah June 17, 1770, Samuel Sept 2 1746 and John Jan 28 1749, 2.Francis dec 25, 1725 and 3.Jonas abt 1726. Abraham Carol Whitham - ------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price. ______________________________ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.

Hello Carol, How nice to hear from you again.I'm sorry but I'm no nearer breaking down my very solid brick wall----that John Barraclough who married Susanna(h) Radcliffe/Ratcliffe ; my gt.gt.gt grandparents,and Ray's ancestors too of course. For the benefit of the list here's a re-cap-- John Barraclough [dob & parents unknown], marr.Susannah Radcliffe at Bradford PC 28.4.1811. He died before the 1841 census,and pre-1837 registration,leaving no clues as to his identity. Children of the marriage that I'm sure of-- a)Joseph bap.17.11.1811 [my gt.gt.grandad] b)Thomas bap.12.12.1813 [Ray's ancestor] c)John bap.27.1.1816. d)Sarah bap.21.9.1817. e)Squire b.c.1820-21. I've long held the theory that the father of this 'mysterious' John,was probably called Joseph,because he named his eldest son Joseph and in turn Joseph named HIS eldest son John. Unfortunately I can't prove this theory. Carol,please can you remind me which certificate of Levi's names Thomas as his father ? Was it birth cert.or marriage cert.? Whichever it was please can you send me the date,so that I can get my own copy. Cheers-------Derek.

Hi Folks: Been a while but I have been following all the chatter. Well done Jeff but in doing so I have gone though my data collected from you, Derek and Kim. My head is spinning. Now I'm very confused and that does not take much. John and Susanna Ratcliffe: Derek: This is for you from you to me. Father of Thomas and Joseph (Derek beleive he is yours making Ray and you cousins. :) Do you go further back here?????? Kim's original messages to me: working backwards Thomas Barraclough and Betty Barraclough (not married) : mother of Levi, Amelia, Mary Jane, Lucy Betty's parents Joseph Barraclough and Mary Jowett Joseph's parents Joseph Barraclough and Hannah Robinson Joseph's parents were Abraham Barraclough and Betty Smith Abraham's parents where Abraham Barraclough and Hannah Pullen Abraham's parents where Jonas Barraclough and Hannah Peel I copied this off an old e-mail. In checking with Jeff's data I came accross Francis and Martha Wood which I had put with Abraham and Hannah Pullen's brood. I have corrected this as there were two Francis's I assumed I had made an error somewhere in here and hope you all can fix me up again. Are we having fun yet???? Carol Whitham --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! - Internet access at a great low price.

Julie I'm in the Vale of Glamorgan. Anne

Hi Kim, You say "as yet we do not know what happend to Francis bp: 1610 at Fewston, if he married or not ?" According to me he married Elizabeth and had at least two sons, William and Abraham, as I have indicated on my family group 6/27 on my web site. It is that line of Abrahams which I have traced forwards to Abraham and Ann Beetham on my family group 6/2. Also according to me Jane Awbrey (Awdrey) died in Sowerby and was buried at Halifax Parish Church. Hopefully the remaining Wills will shed some light and sort out the confusion. Just one last word, if I dare utter it, Elizabeth Judson. That's as far back as I have got for now. Thanks for the vote of thanks, much appreciated. Jeff Sutcliffe http://www.btinternet.com/~jeff.sutcliffe Researching Ambler, Baker, Barraclough, Bates, Booth, Broadbent, Brook, Brown, Chadwick, Collins, Coning, Crowther, Fearnley, Hanson, Hardcastle, Hartas, Harwood, Holmes, Metcalf, Nowell, Oliver, Pennington, Pollard, Radcliffe, Roebuck, Routh, Smith, Sugden, Sutcliffe, Tordoff, Ventress, Walker, Whitaker, Whiteley, Wilkinson, Wilson All of the Yorkshire Area.

hi Anne, yes we live in-between brecon and abergavenny, do you know the area.? Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Welch <anne@welch5171.fslife.co.uk> To: <BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Early Wills before 1640 > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > Would you like to record a Barraclough Biography? > Check out "Biographies" at > http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~surreal/barraclough/index.html >

Dear Jeff & All, It appears there was a marrige licence for Abraham Barraclough. It says he may marry "Either in Halifax or Hearshead" a woman named Agnes Rayner of Hartshead. But June had not yet found the actual marriage. > Abraham Barraclough and Agnes Rayner, which was probably the Abraham who > moved to Fewston's first marriage. It was a marriage by Licence, which could > be an indicator of the move from one parish to another. His eldest child > Mary was baptised in Fewston in 1604. > I have not disproved or proved any research carried out by June Benn. My > research is completely separate to June Benn's as are my conclusions. > Obviously there is only one right answer, but certainty is difficult. I am > confident in my conclusions as they are backed up by evidence and I have > carried out my own research. To be certain there are a lot of early wills, > which still need to be examined. > > Jeff Sutcliffe As to which is the right marriages for Abraham, is still debatable, amd we might never really know for sure. Simply because of the lack of extra source material. And as Jeff has stated, there are still a lot of will's that will need to be looked at (and that is costly, in terms of dollars and pounds) for the time period involved. These may through up a few clues, but at the end of it all, we still might just be left with "We think so and so married so and so". But we always keep our options open, and if we just stumble on a bit of source material that confirms information we have, we go with it. The more source material we collect to prove or disprove our facts the better. I would like to publicly thank both Jeff and Derek, for the enormous amount of work they both do on our particular Barraclough family tree. Not to mention the research carried out by June. Both Derek and Jeff, spend as much time on it as I do, if not more. And I think it will always be a work in progress. Cheers Kim

Julie It wouldn't be South Wales by any chance???? Anne

Hi Julie, Just to unconfuse you. No we do not descend from Francis B bp: 21/2/1610 at Fewston. We descend from his younger brother Jonas bp: 2/98/1627 who is from the second marriage of Abraham Barraclough to Agnes Riley. His first wife was Jane Awdrey.From what I can gather I think the banns where read for Abraham to marry Agnes Rayner, but they never married. June thinks from her article that Agnes jilted Abraham ? No, as yet we do not know what happend to Francis bp: 1610 at Fewston, if he married or not ? Yes, Jane Awdrey Abraham's first wife was buried 24/4/1614 at Fewston Parish Church. It is not hard to get confused, June did originally think that we descend from Francis born 1610 at Fewston. But she did more research and her new finding are in the Yorkshire Historian magazine articles, of which you now have a copy. I have all the new info in my family tree and will send it to you so that you can follow the line back from John B & Mary Pollard. Cheers Kim ----- Original Message ----- From: "ellis.spj" <ellis.spj@tiscali.co.uk> To: <BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Early Wills before 1640 > Hi Derek, yes I did get to the archives but think I am even more confused > now than before! > my tree goes back to Francis B 1685 - 1742 it appears that his father is the > subject of much discussion as I seem to remember reading recent postings > regarding this subject, but am I right in assuming that his grandfather was > Francis born 1610 in Fewston? and if so this Francis's father was Abraham > baptised 1.5.1574. He married twice according to the notes from June firstly > to Agnes rayner and then to Agnes riley. > so after 2 1/2 hours I had got to this point (my lift was waiting outside, > can't drive cos of the arm!!) > The lady at the archives then said they had been a few new additions to the > box that didn't seem to be listed and would I like to look at those as well. > 'oh yes please', I replied, and this is where the confusion really set in. > In an article written by June for the Yorkshire family historian magazine, > dec 1999, it states that Abraham didn't marry Agnes rayner after all he > married a Jane Awdrey, at this point I had to ask for a quick photocopy of > this article and make my way home. > So does this info correspond with your findings? and did Jane also die in > 1614, the date originally given for the first wife's death(Agnes rayner). > and do you by any chance know who Francis B. (1610) married? > confused and back in Wales!! > Julie > > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > > For a list of other Rootsweb Mailing Lists world-wide: > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > If replying to a previous message, please make sure you cut out most of the previous message. This makes people who receive the Digest form of the List much happier. >

Hi Julie, We appear to have common ancestors in Francis (1685) and Mary Pollard. After that I have John and Mary Wilson and Stephen and Mary Bateman nee Fearnley. Francis' parents were Abraham and Susannah Walker, married in 1679. I haven't been able to make the link further back yet, but I am fairly confident that Abraham's father was Jonas Barraclough, the youngest son of Abraham and his third wife. There was a Richard who married Alice Hoyle in 1566. Alice became a widow and left a Will in 1605. I have now included that family group on my web site, but I don't have any links for it. The Will transcript is also there. I am also aware of Abraham and Jane Awdrey (actually Awbrey). They married in 1603 and lived in Sowerby, where Jane died in childbirth in 1606. The Abraham who moved to Fewston had at least three wives. I am not aware of Agnes Riley but there was a marriage in 1604 between Abraham Barraclough and Agnes Rayner, which was probably the Abraham who moved to Fewston's first marriage. It was a marriage by Licence, which could be an indicator of the move from one parish to another. His eldest child Mary was baptised in Fewston in 1604. I have not disproved or proved any research carried out by June Benn. My research is completely separate to June Benn's as are my conclusions. Obviously there is only one right answer, but certainty is difficult. I am confident in my conclusions as they are backed up by evidence and I have carried out my own research. To be certain there are a lot of early wills, which still need to be examined. Jeff Sutcliffe http://www.btinternet.com/~jeff.sutcliffe Researching Ambler, Baker, Barraclough, Bates, Booth, Broadbent, Brook, Brown, Chadwick, Collins, Coning, Crowther, Fearnley, Hanson, Hardcastle, Hartas, Harwood, Holmes, Metcalf, Nowell, Oliver, Pennington, Pollard, Radcliffe, Roebuck, Routh, Smith, Sugden, Sutcliffe, Tordoff, Ventress, Walker, Whitaker, Whiteley, Wilkinson, Wilson All of the Yorkshire Area. -----Original Message----- From: ellis.spj [mailto:ellis.spj@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 10 May 2004 23:02 To: BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [BARRACLOUGH] Barraclough's 1540 to 1800 Hi Jeff, wow what a lot of info in one go, it has confused me a bit as I have only just got to grips with the research of June Benn and this now confuses me even more! I have a direct link back to Francis(1685) who married Mary Pollard in1714. but I was under the impression that Richard 1546 had married alike hoyle, has this now been disproved? their son Abraham I believe married a Jane Awdrey and then an Agnes riley, but neither of these names appear in your tree. anyway from Francis and mary i have a Stephen who married Hannah longbottom. they had john who married ann. brooks. they had Thomas who married mary harker they had Henry brook who married alice ann platts they had john who married Lucy bottomley they had Herbert who married Annie Barrett they had Michael who is my father. any help with the confusing bits will be gratefully accepted. well done on the research a sterling job!!! Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Sutcliffe <Jeff.Sutcliffe@btinternet.com> To: <BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: [BARRACLOUGH] Barraclough's 1540 to 1800 > > > > > > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > For a list of other Rootsweb Mailing Lists world-wide: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/ > ______________________________

Hi Derek, yes I did get to the archives but think I am even more confused now than before! my tree goes back to Francis B 1685 - 1742 it appears that his father is the subject of much discussion as I seem to remember reading recent postings regarding this subject, but am I right in assuming that his grandfather was Francis born 1610 in Fewston? and if so this Francis's father was Abraham baptised 1.5.1574. He married twice according to the notes from June firstly to Agnes rayner and then to Agnes riley. so after 2 1/2 hours I had got to this point (my lift was waiting outside, can't drive cos of the arm!!) The lady at the archives then said they had been a few new additions to the box that didn't seem to be listed and would I like to look at those as well. 'oh yes please', I replied, and this is where the confusion really set in. In an article written by June for the Yorkshire family historian magazine, dec 1999, it states that Abraham didn't marry Agnes rayner after all he married a Jane Awdrey, at this point I had to ask for a quick photocopy of this article and make my way home. So does this info correspond with your findings? and did Jane also die in 1614, the date originally given for the first wife's death(Agnes rayner). and do you by any chance know who Francis B. (1610) married? confused and back in Wales!! Julie > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > For a list of other Rootsweb Mailing Lists world-wide: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi Jeff, wow what a lot of info in one go, it has confused me a bit as I have only just got to grips with the research of June Benn and this now confuses me even more! I have a direct link back to Francis(1685) who married Mary Pollard in1714. but I was under the impression that Richard 1546 had married alike hoyle, has this now been disproved? their son Abraham I believe married a Jane Awdrey and then an Agnes riley, but neither of these names appear in your tree. anyway from Francis and mary i have a Stephen who married Hannah longbottom. they had john who married ann. brooks. they had Thomas who married mary harker they had Henry brook who married alice ann platts they had john who married Lucy bottomley they had Herbert who married Annie Barrett they had Michael who is my father. any help with the confusing bits will be gratefully accepted. well done on the research a sterling job!!! Julie ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Sutcliffe <Jeff.Sutcliffe@btinternet.com> To: <BARRACLOUGH-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: [BARRACLOUGH] Barraclough's 1540 to 1800 > > > > > > > > ==== BARRACLOUGH Mailing List ==== > For a list of other Rootsweb Mailing Lists world-wide: > http://lists.rootsweb.com/ >

Hi Jeff - I have Barraclough in my line. I have the same Abraham B. and Ann Beetham, whose daughter, Ann married James Smith. Their daughter Abigail Smith married into the William Cockroft family on 24 Jan 1811. Their son, William married Lydia Teal on 13 Sep 1834. Their son Richard, born in 1839 was my grt. grandfather. He married Abigail Tetley in 1862. My grandmother, Kate, was born in 1871 in Bradford. Have you seen these names before? Diane in California

Dear All, I am now pleased to say that I have researched a premier Barraclough line back to 1574, complete with all the sources documented and have put it onto my web site. If anyone has any connection with the following marriages: 07 August 1769 Ann Barraclough and James Smith; 14 May 1746 Abraham Barraclough and Ann Beetham; 07 May 1733 Abraham Barraclough and Mary Holdsworth; 07 September 1731 Elizabeth Barraclough and Joseph Smith; 21 June 1730 Joshua Barraclough and Sarah Smith; 05 May 1725 Sarah Barraclough and Jonas Seed; 17 December 1724 Francis Barraclough and Martha Wood; 22 November 1704 Abraham Barraclough and Eleanor Priestley; and 10 December 1700 Ellen Barraclough and Richard Cordingley; then according to me, you are descendents of Richard Barraclough and Elizabeth Judson, who married in 1566. The relevant family trees are there complete with cross-references and navigation links. I have also updated my database of individuals so it is possible to get additional information, not on the ‘trees’ from the database. I would be pleased to hear from anyone descended from these marriages, where there is further information that I could usefully add. I have details of dozens of other family groups, but this is the only continuous line that I have traced back to 1540. I will add these other groups from time to time. I would also be pleased to hear from anyone with comments; good or bad. I haven’t had any positive response yet to my request for early Wills. The intention is to share the information and to assist others. You will find the information on my Barraclough page. Jeff Sutcliffe http://www.btinternet.com/~jeff.sutcliffe Researching Ambler, Baker, Barraclough, Bates, Booth, Broadbent, Brook, Brown, Chadwick, Collins, Coning, Crowther, Fearnley, Hanson, Hardcastle, Hartas, Harwood, Holmes, Metcalf, Nowell, Oliver, Pennington, Pollard, Radcliffe, Roebuck, Routh, Smith, Sugden, Sutcliffe, Tordoff, Ventress, Walker, Whitaker, Whiteley, Wilkinson, Wilson All of the Yorkshire Area.