Here is where we put the brakes on folks! Under the rules, you cannot have a full out discussion concerning DNA testing. The reason for this is simple. Rootsweb requires that you keep the discussion on the subject that the list was drawn up to discuss, and that's BARR. DNA however, has it's own discussion list that is also sponsored by Rootsweb. I presently have 25 lists and I've heard every reason there is to discuss this on each list, but please, do not argue the point. It will serve no purpose. If you wish to discuss the aspects of DNA, please do so on their list. If you absolutely feel the need to reply to this, please do it privately as well. My address is at the bottom of each post. Thank you for understanding. Fred HI all, sorry for responding in Digest Mode, I forgot that It puts in all the gobbledygook. I usually do not do that. For Jeff & Michael: Jeff for my line not yet. The project is still in its infancy. There are only 8 of us so far. Some of those have there line back to Ireland I believe. For Michael & Jeff, the project is always looking for more Barr males. The project administrator is "Mike Barr" at [email protected] He can give you more up to date info then I can, and can tell you what to do if interested. Here is my line: Peter Barr b: abt 1750 Frederick Co. Va. h/w Elizabeth. s/d Peter Barr b: abt 1785 Frederick Co. Va. h/w Margaret Bosteyon. Peters brother was Frederick, sisters Mary, Caty, Polly and Sarah. Peter & Margarets children: Elizabeth, Adam, Peter, Juleed, Mareah, Sarah, Robert, George, Bosteyon, Margaret ann, Charles frederick, John peter, my line, and twins Mary & Thomas nathaniel. The first 11 born in Frederick Co. Va. between 1803 & 1818. The last 3 born in Franklin Co. Ohio. 1821-1823. The family left Va. in 1818. I think Frederick stayed behind as well as the sisters that were married. They stayed in Ohio till abt. 1835/37, then moved on to McLean Co. IL. John Peter b: 25 apr 1821, Franklin Co., OH., married the Westfall sisters Elizabeth Jane & then Angelina. Children Mary J., Hamilton, Leander by Eliza. Albert, Susan, Levi, Margaret M., John, Charles, and George Washington, my line by Angelina. George W. b: 4 mar 1870 McLean Co., IL. m: 1st-Myra Melvina Bingham, 2nd-Lilly Whitley or Whitlow. All kids by Myra, Fred lonnie, Fern crystabel, Hubert, Roger bingham, and Russell Ellsworth, my line. Russell E. b: 20 apr 1902 Brookfield twp, Linn Co. MO. m: Ora Jeanette Shaffer. My grandparents. Russell L. Livingston Barr & Shaffer Lines ==== BARR Mailing List ==== Fred W. Reese [email protected] List owner and Rootsweb Donor