Let me re-phrase that - I had their children and their childrens families in Illinois - I had never been able to pin down just where in PA John and Martha came from. Martha (Walter)Barr's obit says she was b. in New Jersey, but the census records I found for her said she was b. in Pennsylvania. I also have a copy of Martha's will. Joan in CA On Mar 4, 2005, at 2:26 PM, Joan Norstedt wrote: Yes ! this is my John's family ! Oh, thank you so much. I had found them in the 1860 census, but that was all I found. Now I know where to look in PA. this is a really, really great help to me. Joan <snip> On Mar 1, 2005, at 1:35 PM, Sue wrote: I think that this may be your John Barr and family: 1850 Cranberry twp, Butler, Pa census John Barr, 32, Pa Martha, 31, Pa Mary Jane, 8, daughter Julian, 5, duaghter John Henry, 2, son William, 23 Elizabeth, 67