This is what I have so far: (1) Samuel S. Barr b. abt 1822 in Westmoreland County married Isabella McCalister who was born about 1827. Dates and information is from census and History of Indiana County. Children of Samuel S. Barr (2)William Nelson Barr b. December 08, 1846, Grant Township, Indiana County PA. Died May 07, 1928, Starford, Indiana County, PA m.(1) Eberella Jane Palmer (2) Margaret Lydic (2)Jeremiah Barr b. abt 1848 Deckers Point, Indiana County, PA (2) George Barr b. abt 1852 m. Mabel unknown (2) Mary Barr b. abt 1854 (2) Silas Barr b. abt 1857 d. 06 Feb 1919, Richmond, VA m. Annie C. (2) Isabella Jane Barr b. abt 1860 (2) Nancy Ella Barr b. abt 1864, Grant Township, Indiana County, PA d. Feb 6, 1933 North Platte, Neb; m James A. Work (2) Frank Barr b. abt 1866 (2) Ellis Barr b. abt1872 (3) Minnie Olive Barr b. July 19, 1869 d. March 09, 1873 (3) Joseph Edmund Barr b. July 21, 1871 Deckers Point, PA d. July 01, 1914 Shawmut, Elk County PA m. Bertha Grace Moyer b. August 18, 1875 in Brandy Camp, Elk County, PA (3) Samuel Earl Barr b. July 16, 1877, Deckers Point, Indiana County, PA d. December 02, 1951 Lovejoy, Indiana County, PA m. Vernie Iota Ryen (3) William Beck Barr b. November 26, 1879 Dixonville, Indiana County, PA d. February 11, 1899, Grant Township, Indiana County, PA (Pneumonia) Children of Samuel Earl & Vernie Iota Barr (all children born in Gipsy, Indiana County, PA) (4) Florence Harriet Barr b. Jan 8, 1902 m. Wayne Butterbaugh (4) Nelson Nathaniel Barr b. Dec 22, 1903 m. Lilly Rodgers (4) Hazel Marie Barr b. Jan 21, 1905 m. John E. Lockard (4) Margaret Barr July 07, 1906 m. Frank Whitney (4) Elzie Edmund Barr June 16, 1908 m. Ellie Utberg (4) Emojene Barr b. August 19, 1911 (4) Albert Thomas Barr B. July 02, 1913 m. Naomi Shultz (4) Mary Maude Barr b. Nov 03, 1915 m.(1) Andrew V. Wolfe (2) John Sasala (4) Lotus Arlene Barr b. Sep 09, 1917 m. Robert M. Gibson (4) Thelma Arveda Barr b. Dec 06, 1919 m.(1) Fred Monty (2) Dewey Hornsby (4) Ethel Babe Barr b. Sep 30, 1921 (4) Samuel Leonard Barr b. Aug 15, 1922 m (1)Ruth Walsh (2) LoisThrasher (3) Nancy Berkey My mother was Lotus Arlene Barr and my father was Robert Milroy Gibson. The ones in BOLD print are my direct line. Have more detailed information, just tired of typing... Bill

Beverly: Would be glad to share information on the Barr's of Indiana, Ohio, and PA. What are some of your family names? I start with an Annette Barr in IA who married a Robert Carroll. Moses Shepherd Barr and Melissa Ann Marquess IA, John Barr and Janet Boggs OH and PA. Robert Barr and Mary Williamson of Derry Twp, Westmoreland Co. PA and Thomas Barr and Janet Hutchinson of Peters Twp Franklin Co., PA. Any connections? Bill William L. Baran Phoenix, AZ mailto: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> -----Original Message----- From: Beverly [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 5:28 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BARR] Re: BARR in Pennsylvania What part of Pennsylvania are your Barr's from. My mother was a Barr from the Indiana and Westmoreland County area dating back to 1750 or so. Have been trying to verify the last two entries I have. Have information off Ancestry that might or might not be accurate. I know for sure back to 1825 in PA. Bill Hi, Bill, I have some BARRS in Pennsylvania (and West Virginia) in the early 1800's. Could we compare some names? The make-up of my families has been taken mostly from census records, marriage records and some cemetery readings. Not totally proven at this point but looking promising. Beverly -- Mailto:[email protected] Families are Forever! ==== BARR Mailing List ==== Fred W. Reese [email protected] List owner and Rootsweb Donor

Joan, do you have any more information about this John Barr? I have a large data base of Pa. Barr's, inparticular, Lancaster Co. Barr's. I have a family who moved from Pa. to Livingston Co. Ill., but I don't have a John in this family. Coincidence?? Yvonne

Bill, I have no data or information other than Elizabeth Barr McClellan/d is buried in Greenwood Cem., Hamilton, Butler Co., Ohio. She may be the wife of Robert W. McClelland, my ggggrandfather...and is buried next to him. Actually they were all re-burials in this plot by Robert W.'s granddaughter in 1890 so think my relationship "guess" is correct given the plot diagram. The McClellan/d lines I am following begin in Mifflin, PA...ca. late 1780/90's...and may cross the state to Pittsburgh area before then following the river to settle in Cincinnati/Hamilton Co., Ohio...Springdale/Springfield Twp. I notice there are BARRs in Pittsburgh (Presbyterian Church history on line), and BARR family in Mifflin, PA also...during the same years as my McClellands and Giffins. Also BARRs in Hamilton Co. and Butler on neighboring farms. But I can't find the correct link to my Elizabeth or a marriage record to Robert W. McClelland. Judith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

I think that this may be your John Barr and family: 1850 Cranberry twp, Butler, Pa census John Barr, 32, Pa Martha, 31, Pa Mary Jane, 8, daughter Julian, 5, duaghter John Henry, 2, son William, 23 Elizabeth, 67 Note: All of the above were born in Pa according to the census. I presume that Elizabeth is John and William's mother. If so, it appears that she was married to a William Barr (born 1770 - 1780) who is in the 1810 - 1840 Cranberry censuses (the only Barr in Cranberry with a wife who would fit Elizabeth's age and he must have died in the 1840's as he is no longer there by 1850 (look for his grave in Cranberry? I think Elizabeth dies in the 1850's as she has disappeared by 1860.) William Barr may have been a son (or a brother) of a John Barr, who is in the earlier censuses of what became Cranberry twp. _________________ 1860 Jefferson twp, Adams county, Ohio census John Barr, 42 Martha, 41 Mary J., 18 Julia A., 15 John H., 12 William, 9 Martha E., 6, born Ohio Sarah B.(Bell or Belle), 3, born Ohio (married William Shrum in Illinois sometime in the 1870's but he is divorced in the 1900 census. ______________________ 1870 Illinois census Martha Barr, widow, 51, born New Jersey Julia, 23, John H., 21 William, 18 Sarah B., 13 Medora, 9 Note: now that Martha is filling out her own census return (or at least giving the information to the census-taker, she states that she was born in New Jersey) ____________________ 1880 Illinois census finds Sarah Belle is married to William Shrum. She is listed as 'Bell'. Enumerated with them is Bell's sister, Dora (presumably Medora) Barr, age 20. ____________________ 1880 Miami, Clermont, Ohio census Martha Barr, 65, widow, born in New Jersey of New Jersey-born parents. John, 32, son, born Ohio (not correct - born in Pa) So, of the children: Mary Jane, Julia Ann, John Henry, and William were all born in Pennsylvania. Martha E., Sarah Bell(e) and Medora (Dora) were all born in Ohio (from 1854 - 1861). I am guessing that John's mother Elizabeth died sometime between 1850 and 1854 therefore and is probably buried with her husband in Cranberry twp, Butler county, Pa. Prior to 1800 Cranberry twp was a part of Connoquenessing twp which was a part of Allegheny county, Pa. Hope this gives you a few new leads, Sue

Yvonne, I am looking for a Mary Bari-Bare-Barr born in Cocalico, PA on 1 Dec, 1803. She married Samuel Schmuck on 24 Mar 1827 in Brinkerville, PA. Both of these locations are close to Lancaster. I would love to find a father for her?? Rowland of Roseburg, OR 97470 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, March 01, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [BARR] JOHN BARR & MARTHA WALTER > Joan, do you have any more information about this John Barr? I have a large > data base of Pa. Barr's, inparticular, Lancaster Co. Barr's. I have a family > who moved from Pa. to Livingston Co. Ill., but I don't have a John in this > family. Coincidence?? Yvonne > > > ==== BARR Mailing List ==== > Fred W. Reese [email protected] > List owner and Rootsweb Donor > >

I am searching for the parents and siblings of a John BARR and his wife Martha. He was b. abt 1818 Pennsylvania d. 1869 Livingston Co., Illinois. He married Martha WALTER abt 1840 in Pennsylvania. She was b. 24 Feb 1817 in Pennsylvania or New Jersey. She died 5 Feb 1898 Iroquois Co., Illinois. There are so many Barr's in Pennsylvania, especially those named John, I am stuck. Any help appreciated. Joan in California

In a message dated 2/12/2005 2:20:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I have added a few other people to the Barr Family group. Greg Barr, Rick Barr, David and Jan Foley. I am thinking about contacting a group of Barr's from a Cary Barr Trust mailing list. They are all related to Moses Shepherd Barr and his two wives Melissa Ann Marquess and Sarah Shoemake. I have a letter from one of the older relatives from the 1980's and she pretty much outlined this whole group. Someone may have new information if we get them active in our pursuit. Bill Bill, I think this Henry Barr in Rick Barr's line was named after his mother's people who Rick reported as being a German name of Wyman. I found a town called Lemasters, PA in Franklin co Pa when I was checking on the Garrison stuff. Also I thought it was interesting that Nancy Barr and Thomas Donnell went down Ohio R to Maysville, Ky this is same spot as Samuel Barr brother of Wm Barr Sr of Cincinnati, Oh went. Of coarse all flatboats went by there going down Ohio River. I need to dig up something. Is Ervin and Irvin/ Irwin the same name?? Capt Nathaniel Drew sister was in Chester co Pa at Faggs Manor and she was a Ervin. I have her and her husband name in my files. When you talk with some of your ancestor Barr male desc, I hope you will encourage 1or 2 to join DNA project that I have started at _www.dnaheritage.com_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com/) . If money is an issue, let me know and maybe we could figure something out. Also I did tell you that I found a reference in a deed in New Castle DE about Thomas and Janet Barr, right? This area and Cecil co and Chester co Pa all are in a tight circle. There is a mention in the deeds of a Barr will in that co and I just have seen most of the abstracts of deeds not wills, yet. Hutchinson also pops up here. Mike Barr

Christopher Barr was my 3rd gr. grandfather. All I know about him is he married Barbara Toby in Washington Co. MD on 13 Apr 1809. A son, John was born a year later. There was a big lawsuit between Barbara's brother, Michael Toby and all her sisters and their husbands regarding Hills and Dales Vineyards in 1810 and didn't finish up till 1816. I ordered the CD but the whole 109 pages was about Barbara's family and I didn't learn a single thing about Christopher Barr. Family lore states they came from England. The son John married a Mary Buck Apr 4 1838 in Ohio and started their family in Ohio then moved on to Indiana and Iowa. I have not been able to find where Christopher died. He did not get to Iowa with his wife and John's family in 1854. Can any one give me an idea where to search for Christopher's parents. Or even siblings. I'm at a standstill here and don't know where to turn. Thanks for any suggestions. Ruth Tysor SW Iowa

What part of Pennsylvania are your Barr's from. My mother was a Barr from the Indiana and Westmoreland County area dating back to 1750 or so. Have been trying to verify the last two entries I have. Have information off Ancestry that might or might not be accurate. I know for sure back to 1825 in PA. Bill Hi, Bill, I have some BARRS in Pennsylvania (and West Virginia) in the early 1800's. Could we compare some names? The make-up of my families has been taken mostly from census records, marriage records and some cemetery readings. Not totally proven at this point but looking promising. Beverly -- Mailto:[email protected] Families are Forever!

Hi Judith, What part of Pennsylvania are your Barr's from. My mother was a Barr from the Indiana and Westmoreland County area dating back to 1750 or so. Have been trying to verify the last two entries I have. Have information off Ancestry that might or might not be accurate. I know for sure back to 1825 in PA. Bill

Fred, No, I have no Watt-Barr connections nor family/ancestors in the south. I am researching the BARR family of Ohio, and perhaps PENNA very early, 1780's - 1830's. Judith __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Hi JudithWatt: The names you talk abt. here,Barr and your name watt are very interesting as they are both tied into my Baird/Beard family in SC. and Ga. and Ala.Do you know of a Thomas Watt Beard or a Jennet Barr Baird wife of Thomas 1797 will? Interesting Fred Baird On Sat, 26 Feb 2005 13:36:46 -0800 (PST) Judith Watt <[email protected]> writes: > Seeking information on Elizabeth Barr McClelland, possibly > wife of Robert W. McClelland, farmer/Justice of the Peace, > in Butler Co (Union Twp.), Ohio. Robert W. was born (ab. > 1799-1800) in Hamilton Co, nearby, Springdale/Springfield > Twp., parents James and Ann McClelland. Children of Robert > W. and Elizabeth: Carey, John, Amanda. I have no proof of > their marriage but Elizabeth was reburied in Greenwood > Cemetery by her granddaughter, Mary Seward, next to Robert > W. (he died 1854.) > > I would appreciate any information on possible families for > Elizabeth, perhaps in the Cincinnati area around 1800. > > Elizabeth may have died prior to 1834 as she is not > mentioned in Deeds of that time. > > Thank you. > > Judith Watt > State College, PA > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ==== BARR Mailing List ==== > Fred W. Reese [email protected] > List owner and Rootsweb Donor > > >

Seeking information on Elizabeth Barr McClelland, possibly wife of Robert W. McClelland, farmer/Justice of the Peace, in Butler Co (Union Twp.), Ohio. Robert W. was born (ab. 1799-1800) in Hamilton Co, nearby, Springdale/Springfield Twp., parents James and Ann McClelland. Children of Robert W. and Elizabeth: Carey, John, Amanda. I have no proof of their marriage but Elizabeth was reburied in Greenwood Cemetery by her granddaughter, Mary Seward, next to Robert W. (he died 1854.) I would appreciate any information on possible families for Elizabeth, perhaps in the Cincinnati area around 1800. Elizabeth may have died prior to 1834 as she is not mentioned in Deeds of that time. Thank you. Judith Watt State College, PA __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com

Mike: I have received your information and pages. I believe there is a connection back to PA but not sure how. I am starting to concentrate on going back to Londonderry, Ireland to find marriages in Presbyterian Church records or ship passenger lists. I still believe this connects to the families mentioned in my email back to Rick. The Irvin/Irwin 1729 date is a start. I really feel that we have a number of brothers, and cousins that need to be connected through information back in Ireland. I have added a few other people to the Barr Family group. Greg Barr, Rick Barr, David and Jan Foley. I am thinking about contacting a group of Barr's from a Cary Barr Trust mailing list. They are all related to Moses Shepherd Barr and his two wives Melissa Ann Marquess and Sarah Shoemake. I have a letter from one of the older relatives from the 1980's and she pretty much outlined this whole group. Someone may have new information if we get them active in our pursuit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:55 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: William Barr information of Cumberland Co., PA Bill this Nancy Barr who md Donnell man is suppose to be the aunt of Henry Barr son of John Barr. Nancy is suppose to been dau of James Barr the judge of Westmoreland co Pa. Sending two pages from Donnell book. The attachment is page 1 Mike

Rick: I have reviewed my old Barr information and do not see a fit at this time. In fact I do not see the Henry name at all in the older generations. The Barr family is at a road block. I see us going forward though the wife's lines. I believe the older Barr's are probably related back in Ireland and all came over about the same time. Many of the marriages were in Ireland. The key families appear to be the Hutchison's, Boggs, Irvin/Irwin, McKnight, and later the Denny and McClure. Again most have come from Ireland and probably the Londonderry area. If we can locate some of the old marriages (Presbyterian Churches), or passenger lists into Philadelphia or New Castle, (now Delaware, but PA then) and the year is probably around 1720 we may be able to piece this together. I have a web site that seems to point this way:http://www.geocities.com/Athens/2101/barr-toc.html I will also put you on the Barr mail list that includes Mike Barr and Roger Peterson. Here is some information I put together recently from my files. Great to get all your thoughts and information. I did some studying on my Thomas Barr Peters Twp, Franklin Co., PA. A couple of ideas have developed. We need to be aware of the county name changes and be using the right one for the dates of the information. I have found a vast amount of material for some of the wife's maiden names. The tax list of 1751 for Peters Twp has many names of wife's family names and some of the neighbors names which may be clues. It appears there is a very strong Scot Irish connection with the families of Hutchinson, Williamson, Boggs, Irwin, Patton, Porter, Dickey and McKnight. The tradition goes that the Irvin family was driven out of Scotland for religious reasons and sent to Ireland. From Ireland 8 of 10 children came to America in 9 May 1729 on the George and Ann landing in Philadelphia. The McDowell's were with them. James Irvin's wife was a McDowell. I am starting to suspect they were all known to each other in Ireland. The family operated linen mills near Larne County, Antrim, Ireland. They departed from Londonderry, Ireland. Name was changed in America to Irwin/Irvin. Enough to get started on. I am going to send each of you a PDF from Thomas Barr down. Also individual lead documents like wife of Thomas Barr Janet Hutchinson's fathers will mentioning son in laws Robert Barr and Robert Dickey. They mention a Jonis William Dickey. I do have Gedcoms at www.gencircle.com If you need larger files let me know. Just put in Thomas Barr and Janet Hutchinson and you will be able to access the information. You may want to check for Henry and see if other genealogists are working on that side of the tree. Hope that helps. Regards, Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:47 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Barr genealogy I am researching Barr genealogy. Mike Barr informed me of your website and suggested I contact you. I am researching the Barr family descedent from Henry Barr 1792-1873. The earliest information on Henry comes from Ky where he appears as a landowner at age 20 or 21. No information has been uncovered as to his mother and father brothere orsisters or earlier ancestry. Speculation has it his fathers name may be John. Also thought to have come from PA perhajps around Carlisle or from Lancster or Westmoreland CO. Perhaps somehow related to James Barr of PA who was a member of the PA constitutional convention and judge of Westmoreland Co. Appreciate you letting me know if you might have information or contact me in the future if you come acroos anything. Thanks Rick Barr

Hello, I am also a member of this list, so I saw your message. I would also be interested in the up-coming information. My Barr's are a bit of a mystery to me. Pam Holeton wbaran <[email protected]> wrote: Mike: I have received your information and pages. I believe there is a connection back to PA but not sure how. I am starting to concentrate on going back to Londonderry, Ireland to find marriages in Presbyterian Church records or ship passenger lists. I still believe this connects to the families mentioned in my email back to Rick. The Irvin/Irwin 1729 date is a start. I really feel that we have a number of brothers, and cousins that need to be connected through information back in Ireland. I have added a few other people to the Barr Family group. Greg Barr, Rick Barr, David and Jan Foley. I am thinking about contacting a group of Barr's from a Cary Barr Trust mailing list. They are all related to Moses Shepherd Barr and his two wives Melissa Ann Marquess and Sarah Shoemake. I have a letter from one of the older relatives from the 1980's and she pretty much outlined this whole group. Someone may have new information if we get them active in our pursuit. Bill -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:55 PM To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: William Barr information of Cumberland Co., PA Bill this Nancy Barr who md Donnell man is suppose to be the aunt of Henry Barr son of John Barr. Nancy is suppose to been dau of James Barr the judge of Westmoreland co Pa. Sending two pages from Donnell book. The attachment is page 1 Mike ==== BARR Mailing List ==== Fred W. Reese [email protected] List owner and Rootsweb Donor ....you know you are addicted when you have traced your ancestral lines all the way back to Adam and Eve, have it fully documented, and still don't want to quit... http://www.tribalpages.com/tribes/holeton Pam Holeton Piqua,Ohio Miami County --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Search presents - Jib Jab's 'Second Term'

I am looking for Esther Barr, daughter of "Lame" Jacob Barr and Nancy Bowman. This Esther Barr is thought to have married Jacob Landis. Does anyone have dates for her and Jacob? Could it be that Esther Barr got married late, and this is her in this household? I believe that Christiana (Barr) Mowrer would be a cousin of some degree. This household is only a few doors down from Esther's father, Jacob Barr; both are listed on the same census page. 1850 Federal Cesnsus Bart twp, Lancaster Co, p. 43 and p. 44: John Mowrer, 53, Limeburner, PA Christiana, 50, PA Martin, 20, PA, Laborer David, 15, PA, do Amos, 16, PA, do in school Susan, 10, PA, in school Elizabeth, 9, PA, in school Albert, 10, PA Mahala, 7, PA Samuel, 4, PA Esther Barre, 28 [or 38?], PA <------------------??? Susan

This will be the end of this discussion on DNA! This and all Rootsweb surname lists are strictly for the use of the surname and not the subject of DNA, but most of all it is forbidden by Rootsweb to sell or advertise for sale for profit, any product of any kind. The DNA thing has been tried on most other lists and is generally accepted that it will not prove anything unless you have the means to exhume an ancestor for a sample to be tested. It will or can benefit the future genealogists. At any rate, it will not be discussed on this list. Fred Subject: [BARR] New Barr DNA project _http://www.dnaheritage.com./surnameform.asp?GroupUnique=587338958&Surname=Bar r_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com./surnameform.asp?GroupUnique=587338958&Surname=Barr) Basically, I am trying to create dialogue with other Barr descendants to compare our paper trail or documentation of our last known Barr ancestor with our DNA information. I have personally completed my DNA analysis for 43 markers and this information is coming to me in a report. However the true benefits of doing this analysis is in its ability to compare the results with other male Barr who also have their analysis completed. I decided to use the dna heritage company since frankly it was cheaper and its results are accurate. The cost for 23 markers is $137.77 for the evaluation. The actual sample was three swab, one from the right inside of my mouth, one from the left and then the third is a swab that you use partly on the right side then partly on the left. The directions with the sample kit are easy to follow. You complete the form they send you a kit, you return the kit to a lab. After the lab determines the sample is useable then they do the analysis and finally they ask for payment over secure site using "https:" for visa or master card. You may read all about this prior to asking to join by going to _www.dnaheritage.com/_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com/) As your coordinator, what I want to do is encourage some well known groups of Barr that have well researched out their tree to participate in order for us to have their markers identified. For example, love to have a known Barr descendant of William and Esther Barr to be tested. It usually only takes about 3 individuals from a known tree to establish a trend or pattern. Then I would love to have a couple of the PA Barr especially those related to Wm Barr and Mary Mc Knight of PA and OH. You will have to give your permission in writing before this company will do the DNA analysis but that is standard procedure. Also in order for these numbers to mean anything we will have to share and compare numbers between markers. These numbers don't review any personal or medical information and are referred to by this company as "junk DNA". Information below I copied from their site to also give further details: The aim of your initial contact letter (or email) is to start a dialogue, so it only needs to be short. Give them a hint about your project, how they can help, and provide a link to your project website. Having a project web-page you can refer people to is very useful (or essential), as your potential participants can do some more in-depth reading up on the subject. Most people are new to the idea of using their DNA to help with their family history, and so may be little reluctant at first. Providing a link to DNA Heritage’s Tutorial and FAQ’s pages (_http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp) and _http://www.dnaheritage.com/faqs.asp_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com/faqs.asp) ) will help inform them further. Be sure to point out that only ‘junk DNA’ is used (i.e. not medically informative) and will not identify you as an individual. The two biggest concerns that people will have are that the test is medically informative and can identify someone as an individual. In fact, we only test ‘junk DNA’ – which has no medical value, and the tests are certainly not as discriminating as a standard ‘forensic’ profile used by the police. Many have reservations about giving their own DNA, yet on learning a little more will think it is a great idea. Another factor is cost. As part of a Surname Project, each test is heavily discounted so we hope that your potential participants will see it is excellent value when compared against the time and cost of traditional record-based research, and can offfer insights into your joint family history that may not be seen otherwise. So in summary: Write a short introductory letter Your aims and objectives - why you are using DNA (e.g. to bypass a brick wall, back-up the existing paper trail or verify a lineage of descent)? How they can help Allay any possible fears (re: ‘junk DNA’ and forensic tests) Remember, the person you have written to may also be able to put you in touch with another relative willing and able to help. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I hope that Fred will allow us to use this Barr list for sharing the results of both the ancestor's tree and the DNA participate markers. If not then I will have to find another site. So many of us in the Barr research are so frustrated as to searching and finding our Barr ancestors. It took me over 30 years to find missing link and documentation. DNA may help some of us. The first thing it will do is start to group those Barr trees that have either exact matches or matches 1 or 2 markers off. This immediately separates German Barr from the Scotch Barr and may depending upon results separate some of the Scots Barr from the Scot-Irish Barr. The second thing this will do is help us validate our Barr ancestors and their close cousins from a DNA pattern. This process reminds me of the OLD TV show the Match GAME where two numbers are called and if the prizes are the same then its a match. Well, we have 23 up to 43 DNA markers or matches. What does this mean as genealogist: If you match all 43 markers then you and your cousin are descended from a common ancestor within 4 generations. Keep in mind the difference is going to be in the most recent generations which you probably know the most about. If you match 25 markers then you and your cousin are descended from a common ancestor within 6.9 generations. If you match 21 markers, then you and your cousin are descended from a common ancestor within 8.3 generations back. What I particularly like is that there is another way to sort out all of those John Barr, James Barr, Robert Barr, William Barr etc In another family that I am descendant of the male line of Braswell was able to confirm that my Braswell ancestor is from a probably from a particular older Valentine Braswell because my Richard had the same unique markers that differ at one site which match the proven documented brother Robert Braswell. Robert line was documented Richard line did not have a complete paper trail and thus the unique difference help to show DNA evidence that these two men were sons of the same father. I am available at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) if you have further questions. If you would like to participate the first link is the request form for DNA sample. When you get your results please contact me about your numbers for each individual marker and your earliest known Barr line. Keep in mind this is ONLY for the male BARR family members to be tested. Thanks Michael G. Barr ==== BARR Mailing List ==== Fred W. Reese [email protected] List owner and Rootsweb Donor

_http://www.dnaheritage.com./surnameform.asp?GroupUnique=587338958&Surname=Bar r_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com./surnameform.asp?GroupUnique=587338958&Surname=Barr) Basically, I am trying to create dialogue with other Barr descendants to compare our paper trail or documentation of our last known Barr ancestor with our DNA information. I have personally completed my DNA analysis for 43 markers and this information is coming to me in a report. However the true benefits of doing this analysis is in its ability to compare the results with other male Barr who also have their analysis completed. I decided to use the dna heritage company since frankly it was cheaper and its results are accurate. The cost for 23 markers is $137.77 for the evaluation. The actual sample was three swab, one from the right inside of my mouth, one from the left and then the third is a swab that you use partly on the right side then partly on the left. The directions with the sample kit are easy to follow. You complete the form they send you a kit, you return the kit to a lab. After the lab determines the sample is useable then they do the analysis and finally they ask for payment over secure site using "https:" for visa or master card. You may read all about this prior to asking to join by going to _www.dnaheritage.com/_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com/) As your coordinator, what I want to do is encourage some well known groups of Barr that have well researched out their tree to participate in order for us to have their markers identified. For example, love to have a known Barr descendant of William and Esther Barr to be tested. It usually only takes about 3 individuals from a known tree to establish a trend or pattern. Then I would love to have a couple of the PA Barr especially those related to Wm Barr and Mary Mc Knight of PA and OH. You will have to give your permission in writing before this company will do the DNA analysis but that is standard procedure. Also in order for these numbers to mean anything we will have to share and compare numbers between markers. These numbers don't review any personal or medical information and are referred to by this company as "junk DNA". Information below I copied from their site to also give further details: The aim of your initial contact letter (or email) is to start a dialogue, so it only needs to be short. Give them a hint about your project, how they can help, and provide a link to your project website. Having a project web-page you can refer people to is very useful (or essential), as your potential participants can do some more in-depth reading up on the subject. Most people are new to the idea of using their DNA to help with their family history, and so may be little reluctant at first. Providing a link to DNA Heritage’s Tutorial and FAQ’s pages (_http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com/tutorial1.asp) and _http://www.dnaheritage.com/faqs.asp_ (http://www.dnaheritage.com/faqs.asp) ) will help inform them further. Be sure to point out that only ‘junk DNA’ is used (i.e. not medically informative) and will not identify you as an individual. The two biggest concerns that people will have are that the test is medically informative and can identify someone as an individual. In fact, we only test ‘junk DNA’ – which has no medical value, and the tests are certainly not as discriminating as a standard ‘forensic’ profile used by the police. Many have reservations about giving their own DNA, yet on learning a little more will think it is a great idea. Another factor is cost. As part of a Surname Project, each test is heavily discounted so we hope that your potential participants will see it is excellent value when compared against the time and cost of traditional record-based research, and can offfer insights into your joint family history that may not be seen otherwise. So in summary: Write a short introductory letter Your aims and objectives - why you are using DNA (e.g. to bypass a brick wall, back-up the existing paper trail or verify a lineage of descent)? How they can help Allay any possible fears (re: ‘junk DNA’ and forensic tests) Remember, the person you have written to may also be able to put you in touch with another relative willing and able to help. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ I hope that Fred will allow us to use this Barr list for sharing the results of both the ancestor's tree and the DNA participate markers. If not then I will have to find another site. So many of us in the Barr research are so frustrated as to searching and finding our Barr ancestors. It took me over 30 years to find missing link and documentation. DNA may help some of us. The first thing it will do is start to group those Barr trees that have either exact matches or matches 1 or 2 markers off. This immediately separates German Barr from the Scotch Barr and may depending upon results separate some of the Scots Barr from the Scot-Irish Barr. The second thing this will do is help us validate our Barr ancestors and their close cousins from a DNA pattern. This process reminds me of the OLD TV show the Match GAME where two numbers are called and if the prizes are the same then its a match. Well, we have 23 up to 43 DNA markers or matches. What does this mean as genealogist: If you match all 43 markers then you and your cousin are descended from a common ancestor within 4 generations. Keep in mind the difference is going to be in the most recent generations which you probably know the most about. If you match 25 markers then you and your cousin are descended from a common ancestor within 6.9 generations. If you match 21 markers, then you and your cousin are descended from a common ancestor within 8.3 generations back. What I particularly like is that there is another way to sort out all of those John Barr, James Barr, Robert Barr, William Barr etc In another family that I am descendant of the male line of Braswell was able to confirm that my Braswell ancestor is from a probably from a particular older Valentine Braswell because my Richard had the same unique markers that differ at one site which match the proven documented brother Robert Braswell. Robert line was documented Richard line did not have a complete paper trail and thus the unique difference help to show DNA evidence that these two men were sons of the same father. I am available at [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) if you have further questions. If you would like to participate the first link is the request form for DNA sample. When you get your results please contact me about your numbers for each individual marker and your earliest known Barr line. Keep in mind this is ONLY for the male BARR family members to be tested. Thanks Michael G. Barr