Dear Mic No. Alas, I am not descended from Barnetts in SC. Sorry if this was not clear in my earlier note. I am descended from Barnetts primarily in central England who, because some were British naval officers active in the Caribbean region in the decades preceding 1780, may have connections with the Barnetts who were among the early SC families. I have no evidence for that, however. Just circumstantially based speculation. 'My' SC families from the early years are primarily Brisbane, Lowndes and Stanyarne. More distantly Hall, Mat(t)hew(e)s, Gibbes. If any SC Barnett reading this is aware of Barnett connections to 'my' early SC families, naturally I'd love to know more. I wish you and any other concerned family members the necessary combination of calm, wisdom, patience, efficiency and tolerance necessary to maximise the likelihood that the house move will go well, and you won't run out of accessible coffee. And I wish you success in the new job. Sincerely Charles Hillman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mic Barnette" <mic@barnettesbooks.com> To: "Charles Hillman" <charleshillman@hillmanc.fsnet.co.uk> Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [BARNETT] Barnetts of Glympton, Oxfordshire, England > Hi Charles: > > Thanks for writing the email to the two Barnetts. > > I am leaving for work right now (in Dallas, Texas) and am in the process of > moving my home from Houston, Texas to Dallas Texas. (About 250-300 US miles) > to my new job. I will be in Houston this weekend packing and will return > late Sunday night. > > Tell me about your SC Barnett ancestry. My ancestors were in Spartanburg, SC > just before the Revolutionary War (late 1770's-early 1780's). They were from > Goochland County, Virginia. They began leaving Goochland County about 1756 > when the father of my Barnett group died. He was born about 1689. I assume > Virginia, but have no proof. My ancestor moved to Goochland County about > 1719 when others began settling the area. Prior to that it was wilderness > with no inhabitants. > > My DNA matched that of another Barnett whose ancestry was from King and > Queen County, Virginia which is a very early Virginia county. My suspicion > is King and Queen County, Virginia is where most of the early Virginia > Barnetts came-possibly from England in the mid-17th Century, probably as a > result of the English Civil War. > > The records of King and Queen County, Virginia burned during the American > Civil War, so finding empirical eveidence in the courthouse, the usual and > best place, is not a good source due to the fire. > > Princess Diana's American ancestors were Bernards of Abington, England. They > settled in Virginia about 1647. One Barnett research speculated those > Bernards were our progenitors. I have followed that family somewhat and my > prelininary guess is they were not my line although I find them at times not > too distant in proximity. I still need to do more research on her line. I > also am looking for descendants who would like to participate in the Barnett > DNA project. > > I will be back online Sunday night. > Thanks, > MIC > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Charles Hillman" <charleshillman@hillmanc.fsnet.co.uk> > To: "Mic Barnette" <mic@barnettesbooks.com> > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 5:51 AM > Subject: Re: [BARNETT] Barnetts of Glympton, Oxfordshire, England > > > > Copy to Mic Barnette for info > > > > Alas, I identified only two potential candidiates in my address list. > But > > two is better than none. Here's what I sent: > > > > > > > > > > > > I hope you and your families are well. > > > > As you know, I have been maintaining Sir William Arbuthnot's webpage on > > Barnett genealogy at http://www.kittybrewster.com/ancestry/barnett.htm > > > > Recently I sent a message to the rootsweb Barnett genealogy list inviting > > folks to look at that webpage, and suggest corrections. A reply came > from > > Mic Barnett which I attach below. > > > > The short of it is that he is seeking to compare dna signatures of male > > Barnetts in order to identify the existence of hitherto unknown > > relationships. > > > > (I think it's an interesting project and have a Hillman namesake in > Michigan > > who is still intending to obtain his dna signature in order to try and > test > > a theory concerning the origins of our Hillman branches. I have my dna > > signature according to about ten elements per a firm in Oxford, England. > > He will probably use a stateside firm which will not necessarily use > > precisely the same ten elements of his y chromosome, but nonetheless > enough > > to give us a pretty good pointer if we are related.) > > > > The test works because you inherit your y chromosome only from your > father. > > (Your other chromosomes are a blend of paternal and maternal inputs.) > This > > means that your y chromosome is identical to your father's. His is > > identical to his father's. And so on. In our anglophone corners of > > planet earth we mostly also inherit our family names from our fathers, so > > that if two male Barnetts have an identical y chromosome, the probability > > becomes overwhelming that they also share a Barnett ancestor on the > father's > > father's etc side. > > > > In fact small random mutations in the chromosome pattern can occur even > > between father and son. It happens rarely, and as far as I can tell data > > is not currently available to state whether it occurs one time in 20 or > one > > time in 50. But this simply means that if you have nine elements from > your > > y chromosome that are identical with you Barnett namesake, and a single > > digit difference in the tenth element, you probably still are related as > > previously indicated. > > > > Where the connection is a long way back, the extent of small differences > can > > be taken to indicate APPROXIMATELY how far back is the shared male > ancestor, > > but here we are merely discussing differing levels of probability. Where > > the connection is with8in the last, say, ten generations, my understanding > > is that you would generally expect identical y chromosome signatures. > > > > There is of course a risk of which you need to be aware that if you > compare > > your y chromosome with that of a kinsman with whom you share a direct > > Barnett ancestor down the always paternal line, and your y chromosome is > > completely different, you have uncovered prima facie evidence that at some > > stage someone's mom was less than candid concerning the identity of > > someone's pop. As far as I am aware, this is the largest risk that you > > would run in obtaining and comparing your y chromosome signature with > those > > of namesakes. > > > > Of course, not being a Barnett, I have no direct personal interest in > this. > > I would nevertheless be fascinated if either or both of you were to pursue > > it. As I may have mentioned, on my own OTHER side I have many ancestors > > among the early settlers in South Carolina. There were Barnetts early on > > in SC. We know that some of our eighteenth century Barnett ancestors > were > > naval gentlemen and we know that the British navy spent much of the > > eighteenth century in the Caribbean. Prior to 1780 there was within the > > British empire a de facto sub trading block majoring on the Bahamas and > > Charleston, SC and concentrating on sugar, which made a lot of white folks > > seriously rich. I would, for my own self interested reasons, love to > > discover from one of you participating in for this y chromosome > > identification project that 'my' English Barnetts are kinsfolk of the SC > > Barnetts. > > > > But of course IF either or both of you were to participate in this > project, > > you should do so for your reasons: not for mine. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Charles Hillman > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mic Barnette" <mic@barnettesbooks.com> > > To: "Charles Hillman" <charleshillman@hillmanc.fsnet.co.uk>; > > <BARNETT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Friday, October 17, 2003 3:17 AM > > Subject: Re: [BARNETT] Barnetts of Glympton, Oxfordshire, England > > > > > > > Hi Charles: > > > > > > I visited your nicely done website. I am impressed! > > > > > > I am the Administrator for the Barnett Surname DNA Project. I would like > > to > > > invite any of the living Barnetts related to those on your website (or > > > anywhere else) to participate in our project. It would great to make > > > connections of Barnetts in America and Barnetts in the British Isles. > > > > > > Currently we have 8 participants. The results from 7 have been returned > > and > > > we are waiting on the eighth. All of our members are from the US except > > one > > > who lives in Austrailia. > > > > > > The ancestor of the Barnett living in Austrailia was from Ireland in > the > > > early ninteenth Century before immigrating to Canada, then Austrailia. > His > > > DNA results did not match any of the others. > > > > > > Three participants have Colonial Virginia ancestry. In my own case, my > > > earliest known ancestor was born about 1689, presumably in Virgina. > > > > > > The remaining two participants have common ancestry living in the > Southern > > > United States after the American Revolution. It is unknown at this time > > but > > > possible they may have come South from Pennsylvania shortly prior to the > > > Revolution. > > > > > > I have been moving from Houston to Dallas over the past several weeks > and > > > have two results to place on our website. I hope to get a breather in > the > > > next couple weeks and update the website with results and lineages. > > > > > > You are invited to visit our website at > http://micbarnette.bravepages.com > > > click on the DNA link. > > > Most of your questions about the project, DNA testing, etc should be > > > answered on the website. If you have further questions, please contact > me > > > > or > > > Family Tree DNA, our testing company's website at > > > http://www.familytreedna.com . > > > > > > Thanks, > > > MIC > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Charles Hillman" <charleshillman@hillmanc.fsnet.co.uk> > > > To: <BARNETT-L@rootsweb.com> > > > Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 5:19 AM > > > Subject: [BARNETT] Barnetts of Glympton, Oxfordshire, England > > > > > > > > > > I have just been updating my cousin's webpage on the Barnetts of > > Glympton > > > in > > > > Oxfordshire, England. > > > > > > > > The first relatively confidently recorded (by me) patriarch was Lt > > > Benjamin > > > > Barnett 1669 - 1703 who perished off the east Kent coast as a result > of > > > the > > > > hurricane of 1703. > > > > > > > > The web page is at > > > > > > > > http://www.kittybrewster.com/ancestry/barnett.htm > > > > > > > > Most (known to me) branches of this family remained in England, with > > > > particular concentrations in and near Bedfordshire, Oxfordshire and > > > > Northumberland. > > > > > > > > But there is also stateside interest albeit only (unless you know > > > > differently) of relatively recent vintage. > > > > > > > > If anyone has time to take a look at the webpage and notices anything > I > > > got > > > > wrong or left out, thank you and yes please. > > > > > > > > Sincerely > > > > > > > > Charles Hillman > > > > > > > > http://www.hillmanc.fsnet.co.uk/index.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >