Glenn, Clarkson obtained her data from WK. Dave Dreyer From: Glenn & Celeste Schwartz<mailto:gschwartz@myaccess.ca> Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 10:03 AM To: William Schwiegeraht<mailto:bswag@yahoo.com> Cc: banat@rootsweb.com<mailto:banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 I don't know for fact, but I would suggest that Susan Clarkson would have named her sources in her book. This should tell you where to look. Glenn Schwartz ----- Original Message ----- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 17:19:18 -0000 (GMT) Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Thank you Guenter! I have already located Malberg in modern Germany and learned much about online - one day I plan to visit. I have also been in contact with the parish priest at Kyllburg parish who has tried to locate my family in the archives in Trier, but their records only go back to 1744. >From the Johannisfeld book by Susan Clarkson, I know Peter was my 3x great grandfather. Peter also appears in the Hatzfeld family book (Henz) on pg 756 (#11146), and the childeren's names agree. Peter married Elisabeth Blum in Hatzfeld, and sometime later went to Johannisfeld. On the same page is listed Johann (#11145) and above him is Barbara (#11144). When I first got started in genealogy two years ago, I found them linked in the Johannisfeld family tree record created by Susan Clarkson in Ancestry.com. However, the Hatzfeld book does not prove this, so I am looking for evidence that matches Dr. Clarkson's Ancestry record ( I am sure she would have had that, but my timing was unfortunate). I understand that original registration documents in Vienna may show names, ages, place or origin, and perhaps names of family members travelling ith Johann, and I hope to find positive proof from that. Unfortunately, Susan Clarkson died 3 months before I became interested in genealogy, so I missed my opportunity to ask her for her directly. Also, her Johannisfeld Famliebuch is out of print, but I was lucky to contact her daughter who saved the book (ms-word format) and sent to me on a CD-ROM! So, that is all the evidence I have. I attached my page from the Hatzfeld book and my file which I pulled out Schwiegerath information from the Johannisfeld book. Can you please tell me what you think. Thank you very much for your reply!William Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 9:56 AM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 11 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (G?nter Junkers) 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration (William Schwiegeraht) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:16:20 +0100 From: G?nter Junkers <cgjunkers@web.de> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <c45621e8-be39-c3f8-e591-f7ac7f0b70ae@web.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Bill, Johann Schwigerrath ist listed in Wilhelm&Kallbrunner (WK 56/58) on page 56 line 58. The original source in Vienna Hofkammerarchiv is Banater Akten Fasz. 35 rNr. 156, fol. 9 with no more information than you already have. Today Malberg is not anymore on Luxembourg area but in Germany near Kyllburg. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malberg,_Bitburg-Pr%C3%BCm There is a famly book about Kyllburg and surrouning places: http://familysearch.org/search/catalog/1137705 Maybe you find more about your family in this book/DVD. The latest version of the Kyllburg family book is available for members of WGfF only at their online library http://www.wgff-digibib.de/index.php?_n (look for Kyllburg) Albert Schwickerath, Dorfstr. 38, D-54662 Philippsheim added more data extracted from civil records after 1798 Both books have a lot of Schwickerath families but sorry - I could not find your Johann married to Barbara. The note in Susan Clarkson book p 534 about the origin of the Schwickerath family does not say that this family settled in Johannisfeld. My question is: what is your source for the name of the wife Barbara and son Peter? Regards Guenter Junkers Arbeitskreis donauschwaebischer Familienforscher Sindelfingen http://akdff.de Am 14.01.2017 um 03:49 schrieb banat-request@rootsweb.com: > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht<bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To:"banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this. He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time. The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna. I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there. Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:53:24 +0000 (UTC) From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration Message-ID: <832648894.3209357.1484405604937@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks Glenn & Dave for the help. ?I appreciate it! Bill Schwiegeraht From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 9:49 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 10 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (Glenn Schwartz) ? 2. Re: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 (Catherine Teufel) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 15:08:20 -0600 From: Glenn Schwartz <gschwartz@accesscomm.ca> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <561e3934-d8f1-b88b-9bdc-3a20d68b6b62@accesscomm.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Also on microfilm from LDS. I looked at them many years ago. Look for Banater Akten. Glenn Schwartz President, Zichydorf Village Association (http://zichydorfonline.org) Searching: Schwartz, Kleckner, Sch?nherr in Zichydorf, Banat; Sch?ssler, Millecker, Lenhardt in Kudritz, Banat; Schwartz, Kory, Pierson/Person in Morawitza, Banat; Kalupsky/Chalupsky in Blumenthal, Banat; Bardua, Kandel, Heuchert in Kolomea, Galicia; Kuntz, Holzer, Kraft, Wolfe, Folk (Volk) in Kutschurgan, Russia; Macht in Volga, Russia. Email: gschwartz@accesscomm.ca On 1/13/2017 1:19 PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > Bill, > W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: David Preston > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM > To: Banat List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> > Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration > To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk > donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x > great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the > Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in > Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been > registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who > was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg > County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual > records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible > relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of > information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating > Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start > in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - > can anyone help me with that? > Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; > Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann > Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) > > The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. > Johann Schwiegerathregistered in Vienna on April 19, 1766 (source: W/K > 56/58) > > > Thanks very much!Bill Schwiegeraht > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >? > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 02:47:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Catherine Teufel <rcateuf@yahoo.com> To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Message-ID: <1928354142.2861460.1484362021905@mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Richard, If you go to this website, you will see the list of names to which David was referring: Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum . Unfortunately, my Etienne ancestors are not on the list since they arrived in the 1750's. Enjoy! Cathy Teufel O'Neill ? |? |? |? |? |? ? | ? | ? | |? |? |? Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat - Ahnenforschung.Net Forum Luxemburger Auswanderer ins Banat Benelux Genealogie? |? | ? | ? | ? ? ? From: "banat-request@rootsweb.com" <banat-request@rootsweb.com> To: banat@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2017 3:23 PM Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 ? Send BANAT mailing list submissions to ??? banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at ??? banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 (Ragnar Schmidt) ? 2. Re: Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ? ? ? (ddreyer@pacbell.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 21:57:54 +0100 From: Ragnar Schmidt <ragnar.schmidt@familie-schmidt.info> To: "'Scott Aaron'" <rtanyon@yahoo.com>, <ddreyer@pacbell.net>, ??? "'Diana Lambing'" <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>, <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Message-ID: <005501d26d16$8c17be00$a4473a00$@familie-schmidt.info> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi. Regarding general research in the LUX, Belgium area: Belgium church book records can be found here: http://search.arch.be/nl/zoeken-naar-archieven/zoekresultaat/ead/index/eadid/BE-A0521_711846_711278_FRE Lux church book records can be found here: https://familysearch.org/search/collection/2037955?collectionNameFilter=true An overview of the Lux parishes is listed here: http://www.anlux.public.lu/de/rechercher/outils-pratiques/repertoire-paroisses.html Lux place names in all 3 languages: http://www.institutgrandducal.lu/Joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=135 http://thomafamill.lu/TNG10/mod_places-ec.php https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_luxemburgischer_Ortschaften Regarding Perl vs Perl?: 1. Perl is in GER - near Lux border. (Familybook "Die Einwohner der Pfarrei St.Gervasius und Protasius Perl vor 1900. (mit Oberperl, Niederperl, Sehndorf, Maim?hle, Pillinger Hof, sowie f?r das 18.Jahrhundert Apach, Belmach und Merschweiller in Frankreich und Schengen in Luxemburg) ") 2. Perl? is in LUX - church book Mertelange. Regarding Family SCHR?DER-GAULS: Perl? ? KB Martelange = http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perl%C3%A9 SCHR?DER Michael * er.1701 Luxemburg ??? ??? ??? ? 08.05.1771 Bogarosch oo? GAULS Maria * um.1703 1. Peter ??? ??? * 03.08.1751 Perl???? + 11.04.1752 Perl? 2. Katharina Maria??? * 18.02.1753 Perl?? ??? + 26.09.1809 Bogarosch 3. Maria Johanna??? * 05.02.1755 Perl? ??? + 05.07.1759 Perl? 4. Anna Katharina ??? * 28.12.1756 Perl? ??? + 07.10.1758 Perl? 5. Barbara ??? ??? * 24.01.1759 Perl?? ??? + 02.05.1828 Bogarosch 6. ?gydius ??? ??? * 13.02.1761 Perl?? ??? + 11.01.1835 Bogarosch 7. Johann Michael ??? * 29.11.1763 Perl?? ??? + 25.04.1824 Bogarosch??? 8. Nikolaus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? + 13.08.1769 Bogarosch 9. Dominicus ??? ??? * 23.04.1767 Perl? ??? Unfortunatly I could not find the marriage or birth records of them. If somebody knows more - let me know. Best, ragnar -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: BANAT Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. Januar 2017 17:53 An: ddreyer@pacbell.net; Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; Banat-L@rootsweb.com Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 It's interesting that you can be on the list for over a decade and still learn things that you didn't know (immigration pattern-wise). I didn't realize there were Banaters from the western border of Luxembourg and Belgium. I had always thought these Luxembourgers were from the eastern regions, and the areas that fell under Luxembourg long ago, that are now part of Germany (the Bitburg area, etc). In researching my Aron/Arend/Arent line, I found a couple of men in Stader from 'Perl', which I assumed was the Perl that is on the border of Lux/France/Germany. Seeing Richard's mention of 'Perle' below, and seeing it on the border of Lux/Belgium makes me wonder if THAT was the Perl/Perle they were from. My line dead-ends with a Nicholas Aron/Arrent from Luxembourg, but I was never able to definitively identify the village of "Ritteburg" he was listed as being from. I assumed it was either a poorly transcribed "Bitburg" or maybe nearby Rittersdorf. If these Aron's in Stader were actually from Perle (Lux), maybe they are indeed connected to my line somehow, and maybe Ritteburg was a village near there, lost to history. Scott ? ? ? From: "ddreyer@pacbell.net" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: Diana Lambing <diana@villaflorida.co.uk>; "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 ? Diana, Richard, Au contraire, there are two very useful sources covering the origin of Banaters in this area. 1 Charles Amann, l?emigration des lorrains vers le Banat et la Batschka au 18eme si?cle 1750/1803. 2 Anton Kraemer, ?Luxemburgische Ansiedler-familien in Banater Ortschaftern (1763-1788)?, an extensive voume of ?de Familjefuerscher?, Association Luxembourgeoise de Genealogie et d?Heroldique?, January 2005 For your purpose I would expect that Kraemer?s article would be the most useful and I find numerous families coming from the localities you note. Dave Dreyer? ? From: Diana Lambing Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 6:48 AM To: David Preston; Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Cher Richard, Je poss?de le livre des familles de Bogarosch, et le nom Schroeder appara?t dans cet livre. Dois-je vous envoyer les d?tails de toutes les familles Schroeder? Malheureusement, je n'ai pas de liste d'?migrants de la region frontaliere Belgo-Luxembourg. Cordialement, Diana Lambing -----Original Message----- From: David Preston Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 1:38 PM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Immigration vers 1769 Madame, Monsieur, Je suis ? la recherche d?une liste d??migrants provenant de la r?gion frontali?re belgo-luxembourgeoise (Perl?, Martelange, Tintange?) arrivant ? Bogarosch (Bulgarus, Roumanie) vers 1769. Parmi ceux-ci figurent Michel Schroeder et Anne-Marie Gauls. Afin d?en savoir plus, pouvez-vous me renseigner et/ou m?orienter dans mes recherches ? Avec tous mes remerciements, Richard Jusseret Rue de Launet, 1 6870 Hatrival Belgique ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 11:19:01 -0800 From: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> To: "Banat-L@rootsweb.com" <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna ??? Registration Message-ID: <25635.34751.bm@smtp215.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill, W/K are shorthand for the abstracts of the registrations made when immigrants passed through Vienna.? To the best of my knowledge the original records are stored in the Hofkammer archives in Vienna. Dave Dreyer From: David Preston Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2017 5:02 AM To: Banat List Subject: [BANAT-L] Fwd: Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: William Schwiegeraht <bswag@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 6:00 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Help with 4x Great-Grandfather Vienna Registration To: "banat@rootsweb.com" <banat@rootsweb.com> Hello to all,I am looking for someone with a copy of Sammelwerk donauschw?bischer Kolonisten who might locate some records for me.My 4x great grandfather, Johann Schwiegerath (or Schwickerath) is cited in the Johannisfeld Family Book (Susan Clarkson) as registering on 19apr1766 in Vienna and I would like to get actual proof of this.? He would have been registering with his wife (Barbara??) and at least one child (Peter) who was 2 years old at that time.? The town of origin (Malberg, in Bitburg County) is listed as well, but I would eventually like to see the actual records myself to verify this home town and identify any possible relocations before he left for Vienna.? I have found a good deal of information on the town of Malberg, but I have not had success locating Johann (born 1731) there.? Church records stored in Trier apparently start in 1744. Also, I do not know what the source below (Qu: W/K 5658) means - can anyone help me with that? Here is the cited record from Johannisfeld Family Book; Familie Schwiegerath stammt aus Malberg, Kr. Bitburg,Luxemburg; Johann Schwiegerrath ist am 19.04.1766 in Wien? registiert. (Qu: W/K 56/58) The Schwiegerath family came from Malberg, BitburgCounty, Luxembourg. 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