Hi Marilyn, It's all good and I hope you're snuggled and warm, I am just excited that you found my great grandfather! I think I sensed he was unsure because he was looking for my great uncles and aunt. He found my great grandfather listed in the church books with correct spelling. The information he is collecting if for a famlienbuch for Gross Betschkerek so I guess he wants to be absolutely certain to publish it. I have seen variations in spelling for other researchers and I don't think spelling was real priority back in those days! But in saying that, it's really hard to read the writing! I have some photos that look like they were taken in a camp. My grandfather was a blacksmith by trade and was a labourer. I don't know where the camp was but perhaps it might be a clue to what might of happened to his siblings. Can i post the photos somewhere? when he came to Australia, he came directly here. I also have a photo of the ship. I remember my grandmother saying that she peeled a lot of potatoes before they could come here to Australia! Someone also posted about the tomatoe sauce. I remember her making that too when she made beef soup but she used tomatoe paste and sugar. I don't remember the reciepe but it was a sweet sauce. Thanks also to the list for helping and it's great to see such a friendly group with such a wealth of information! Take care :) Mandy ________________________________________ From: [email protected] [[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 6 January 2014 7:01 PM To: [email protected] Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 5 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kaiser vs Kveiser? (Marilyn Fedewa) 2. Bering-Kittl (brenda bering) 3. Re: Bering-Kittl (ERDMAN) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 12:11:26 -0500 From: Marilyn Fedewa <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? To: Amanda Kaiser <[email protected]> Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]om> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Amanda, I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that the Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear some responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when the priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are many examples of this among List members. In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed sometimes as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with the umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent over the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared as Hech, Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a Holz, who escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents well, said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is how we pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, and Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's surname has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably a couple more, can't remember at the moment. Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd rather first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, Marilyn On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Marilyn, > I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but > there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know about > your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling change. Can I > give him you email address so he can confer with you? He is a reasearcher > for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found my grandad's brothers > and sister. As far as I know my great grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was born > in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly married in St Georgen (can't find any > records), had children in Grob Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's > wedding (my grandad Franz Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and > listed as living in Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased > at the time of the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just > that my grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other > family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended up and > possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather Nikolaus may > be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. > Take care > :) mandy > ________________________________________ > From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 11:32 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen > > Hi Mandy, > > Sorry it took so long to respond to your last email, but our power has > finally been restored (from a devastating Michigan ice storm). It's so nice > to be home again, warm again, and connected!! I think you got all the info > right from the previous emails, as far as I can see on the Banat List and > your WikiTree page. In the meantime, here's a couple more thoughts for you > . . . . > > 1 - Did you notice in the recent Banat LIst emails that there is a Michael > Kaiser in the group? Looks to me as though his email address puts him in > Germany, but you still may benefit from comparing notes with him. > > 2 - I only just received another file on births in Ernsthausen 1926-1945, > and haven't had time to go through it all, but in the first few pages I did > see two Kveiser/Kaiser's in there as godparents. One was Jacob > Kveiser/Kaser, as godparent in Ernsthausen on November 27,1927, to baby > Catharina daughter of Andreas Reb and Angela Waleri/Valeri. The other one > was an Elisabeth Kveiser/Kaiser in Ernsthausen on April 22, 1928 as > godmother to Jacob daughter of Maria Mayer. Not sure who these Kaisers are, > relative to your family tree, but it places them in Ernsthausen at the > time. For what it's worth. > > Wishing you continued good luck on your searches, > > Marilyn > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > Hi Marilyn, > I am absolutely blown away that you found the information on my great > grandad and great great grandparents! If I could, you'd have the biggest > hug right now!!! > Yes I work in Education, I have 2 jobs, mornings I work with disabled > primary school children running specialist programs in Numeracy, Literacy > and Speech and in > the afternoon/night I work at the tafe (university) with disabled youth > and adults assisting them to gain their qualification in the fields they > are studying. End of the > semester is very busy! Glad to be able to have time off! > > For the last 6 months a researcher in the banat has been trying to locate > my family. I will pass on the information to him as he was completely > stumped as well! He > managed to locate the records in Grob Betschkerek of my grandad and his > brothers & sister. Pretty sure there is another brother as my remembered > having 4 uncles, > my dad never knew he had an aunty. The researcher knew someone researching > St Georgen and couldn't find my great grandfather in any records! > > So just to get it right... > > Nikolaus Kaiser born 1871 St Georgen (parents: Theresia (Mort) and > Nikolaus Kaiser) > married: 26 Nov 1896 in Ernsthausen to wife Elisabeth Schneider (parents: > Anna (Pfendt) and Christof Schneider) > Children: all born in Ernsthausen > 1. Nikolaus 30 Aug 1896 oo Magdalena Gangl > 2. Peter 7 April 1898 > 3. Mathias 20 May 1900 > 4. Franz 18 Dec 1901 > > I am so thankful! You have really made a difference! Thankyou for spending > so much of your time to help. I appreciate it more than you know! > I hope you have a great Christmas and a really wonderful New Year! > > :) Mandy > > ________________________________________ > From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] > Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 4:42 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen > > Hi, I figured we'd hear back from you, just wanted to make sure you didn't > have a computer meltdown or something more dire. > > When you study Dave Dreyer's response to my note in the Banat Listings, > you'll see that your great grandparents were actually married in > Ernsthausen. He/Miklos/Nikolaus was listed as originally from St. George > and living in Botos, or vice versa, can't remember at the moment which way > the columns are written. And she/Ersebet/Elisabeth was listed as living in > Ernsthausen house #181 & 1/2. Not only that, the priest marked down THEIR > parents names, so you'll have info back to your great-greats on both of > their sides. > > I'm so happy I was able to do this (I spent about three hours looking > through the records after Dave said they weren't there, just hoping it > wasn't so, as I know how weird the handwriting and spelling can be, and how > frustrating it can be to find nada -- and so many people on the Banat List > have helped me enormously. FYI, the List will be very gratified to hear > your response. It is lovely group of very committed competent people, all > searching for their own families, and learning as they go). > > So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY again!! Do I deduce from your email that you work at an > educational institution? (I am semi-retired but was with Michigan State > University and another college and university for years). All the best to > you, Amanda! > > > On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: > Hi Marilyn! > Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!! > I have just read my emails with tears streaming and the biggest smile, I > can't believe you were able to find info on my great grandfather! I'm > sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been working 12/13 hour days > all week! Thank god today was my last day at work...I'm exhausted!!! My > grandad and his siblings were all born in Grob Betschkerek. So I think that > my great grandfather might have married in Sankt Georgen because he wasn't > in the marriage register in Grob Betschkerek. I am so thankful, you have > given me the best birthday present ever! I need to re read your email > because I read it quickly and rushed to reply. I just wanted to let you > know I was ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow once I have another look at > the info and after I have a massive sleep in!!!! Yay! Take care and good > night > :-) mandy > ________________________________________ > From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] > ><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] > Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 1:41 AM > To: Amanda Kaiser > Subject: Kaiser in Ernsthausen > > Hi Amanda, hope you are okay and wonder if you received the email and > Banat postings about your family? I had thought you might be pleased at > finding your great granddad. All the best, Marilyn > > This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally > privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this > email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or > any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should > notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest extent > permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or damage > which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments. > > > > > > ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 16:58:16 -0500 From: "brenda bering" <[email protected]> Subject: [BANAT-L] Bering-Kittl To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi I am looking for some family members. I am looking for Anton Bering Born November 12, 1904 in Lazarfeld, Yugoslavia to Kathrina Bering, his father is unknown, his grandparents are Johann and Rosina(Dama)Bering. Their children are Johann, Vincent, George, Joseph, Susan, Katie, Mary, Eva, Kathrina, and Adam. I also would like to know who Johann and Rosina's parents are, and if possible who their parents are. I am looking for Anton's wife family, Anna Kittl born December 14, 1909 in Martinica or Siegmondvalwa, Yugoslavia the daughter of Johann and Magdelena(Knapp)Kittl, her siblings are Stephen, Paul, and Barbara. From what one family has written on the pictures Knapp was her maiden name and it was also mentioned that another member of the family was Christina (Lung) Knapp possible to be Magdalena's mom? I am also being told by a family member that Anna's dad was a Schneider and he took on the Kittl name? Thanks for helping out, Brenda ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:11:33 -0700 From: "ERDMAN" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Bering-Kittl To: "brenda bering" <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Brenda: I will contact you privately on this material as I think I can help you with some of your questions. Shirley-Ann Erdman -----Original Message----- From: brenda bering Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 2:58 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Bering-Kittl Hi I am looking for some family members. I am looking for Anton Bering Born November 12, 1904 in Lazarfeld, Yugoslavia to Kathrina Bering, his father is unknown, his grandparents are Johann and Rosina(Dama)Bering. Their children are Johann, Vincent, George, Joseph, Susan, Katie, Mary, Eva, Kathrina, and Adam. I also would like to know who Johann and Rosina's parents are, and if possible who their parents are. I am looking for Anton's wife family, Anna Kittl born December 14, 1909 in Martinica or Siegmondvalwa, Yugoslavia the daughter of Johann and Magdelena(Knapp)Kittl, her siblings are Stephen, Paul, and Barbara. From what one family has written on the pictures Knapp was her maiden name and it was also mentioned that another member of the family was Christina (Lung) Knapp possible to be Magdalena's mom? I am also being told by a family member that Anna's dad was a Schneider and he took on the Kittl name? Thanks for helping out, Brenda ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 5 *********************************** This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally privileged information. 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