Andrew, Many thanks for the additional Lenhardt data. After looking through all the data on this family I suspect that kid #3 Peter never came to the U. S. A small point but I cannot find him in the passenger ship records and he is not living with his parents in the North Dakota census. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: Dave Dreyer ; [email protected] Cc: Banat List Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Hi David! Thanks for the quick response and the stories about Peter SCHULZ' descendant. Very interesting and thorough letter, too! I believe Peter may be a first cousin to Thomas' wife, Anna SCHULZ, but am still investigating that. Thomas LENHARDT (also spelled LENHART and LENNERT) died here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA on 14 Mar 1939 at the home of his daughter Laura (per his Ohio death certificate, and local cemetery, funeral home and newspaper records), having been here at that time about three years. His wife Anna appears to have passed 15 Jul 1931 in Dickinson, ND, USA (have yet to corroborate). He originally came from Josefsdorf 9 May 1905 with wife Anna and two kids, Laura and Thomas (per viewing your extraction of ship records): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsw eb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/ND/NDakota.htm I am creating most of Thomas' family record looking at p. 205 of your Josefsdorf draft but I believe there is high probability on this family being correct per matches on the DOB matching his Ohio death cert, and DOB/POB matches on daughter Elenoria (my great-grandmother) to her death certificate (Eleanora Laura SCHACHERER), and per mention of a son named Peter from oral family sources: 1 Barbara LENHART / 12 Apr 1880 (Setschan) - 9 Sep 1884; 2 Anna LENHART / 7 Aug 1881 (Setschan) - ? / oo Josef DONIS 12 Feb 1899 at Josefsdorf / last know residence in Dunn, ND, USA per 1930 US census; 3 Peter LENHART / 17 Aug 1883 (Josefsdorf) - 1909 (?) (Montana, USA); 4 Elenoria / 3 Jul 1887 (Josefsdorf) - 11 Oct 1969 (Mansfield, OH, USA) / oo Anton SCHACHERER abt. 1910 (per Dickinson, ND, USA US census); 5 Johann (Thomas) LENHART / 27 Jun 1892 (Josefsdorf) - Aug 1976 (Guadalajara, Mexico) / no known spouse; 6 Magdalena / 24 Aug 1894 - 22 Jan 1897 Some of the above chart has been added to based on further Ancestry.com research. Any other information or reference material you can point to would be fantastic! Best Regards, Andrew ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:49:02 -0800 Andrew, I have been a long term volunteer at the local Mormon FHC. About 10 years ago a fellow came into the center while I was there who was a descendent of ND Banaters. Since Banaters are thin on the ground here we spent the rest of the day shooting the bull on Banaters. I have forgotten his name, but he had made many trips to the Banat back in the bad old communist days and had many wild stories to tell. As I recall he was descended from Peter Schulz and Marg Wilhelm who lived in Glendive(see the Josefsdorf draft at Banatbooks). I only saw him one additional time when he came in and had several documents with him, among them the letter we eventually published. I made a copy for my use at that time. He was not in very good health and was talking about making still another trip to the Banat. I wondered if he ever was able to make the last trip. In any event, the letter was obviously an effort on the part of the author to leave a bit of family history for his descendents. I agree with your conclusion that the author appears to be Heinrich Schulz. Although I cannot directly document birthplace of Heinirch Schulz but in the Josefsdorf church books his birthplace is given as Tschawosch. There is no family book for Tschawosch at this time nor are copies of the Tschawosch church books generally available(except in the Temeswar archives). Could you give me the death date and place of Thomas Lenhardt. Do you have details on the death dates, places and marriages of his kids? Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 12 Jan 2014 Greetings Gentlemen! I am writing in the interest of the above-described letter and communication between you in 2008 (found in the Banat archives - see link below). It specifically names a direct descendant of mine, i.e. a Thomas LENHART, my second great grandfather. He is buried here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA and I am currently in the process of purchasing a headstone for his grave site - it would be nice to include a place of birth for the engraver. Since I am having trouble navigating the many Banat resources that are so graciously provided, would you kindly point me in the right direction on some questions I have: a.. What is the originating source of this letter? b.. Who authored the letter? It appears to be a Heinrich SCHULZ, pursuant to comparing the stated marriage date in the letter to the Elisenhain-Josefsdorf Family Register 1872-1990 (page 317). Any help you may offer would be deeply appreciated. Sincerely, Andrew Andrew J. Ricks 459 Beethoven St. Mansfield, OH 44902-7012 (419) 612-9008 [email protected] http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BANAT/2008-12/1229585579 http://www.banatbooks.com/ELISENHAIN-JOSEFSDORF-FAMILY-REGISTER-Watermarked.pdf

Hi Andrew, Just in case you may connect to these LENHARD from Hatzfeld: 6658 LENHARD, Johanna * um. .1745 in Luxemburg + 24.01.1771 in Hf 6659 LENHARD, Susanna * um. .1745 in Luxemburg + 24.01.1771 in Hf 6660 LENHARD, Gertrud * um. .1772 + 31.01.1785 in Hf 6661 LENHARD, Johann * um. .1783 8 LENHARD*, Elisabeth * um. .1785 Kind(er) a) Peter t 22.02.1803 Hf Ehe siehe <6663> b) Barbara t 02.08.1805 Hf + 12.81.1806 in Hf c) Magdalena t 16.03.1810 Hf 6662 LENHARD, Paul * um. .1789 8 LENHARD*, Agnes * um. .1791 Kind(er) a) Elisabeth t 12.05.1809 Hf 6663 LENHARD, Peter Eltern siehe <6661> t 22.02.1803 in Hf 8 07.01.1822 in Hf MARTIN, Elisabeth * um. .1802 Kind(er) a) Peter t 22.10.1824 Hf b) Peter t 02.12.1826 Hf 6664 LENHARD, Wenzel * um. .1805 6665 LENHARD, Katharina t um. .1813 in Hf Kind(er) a) Katharina t 18.08.1833 Hf 6666 LENHARD, Christophorus * um. .1815 in Ostern + 16.12.1835 in Hf Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Dreyer Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 11:16 PM To: Andrew Ricks Cc: Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Andrew, Many thanks for the additional Lenhardt data. After looking through all the data on this family I suspect that kid #3 Peter never came to the U. S. A small point but I cannot find him in the passenger ship records and he is not living with his parents in the North Dakota census. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: Dave Dreyer ; [email protected] Cc: Banat List Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 5:00 PM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Hi David! Thanks for the quick response and the stories about Peter SCHULZ' descendant. Very interesting and thorough letter, too! I believe Peter may be a first cousin to Thomas' wife, Anna SCHULZ, but am still investigating that. Thomas LENHARDT (also spelled LENHART and LENNERT) died here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA on 14 Mar 1939 at the home of his daughter Laura (per his Ohio death certificate, and local cemetery, funeral home and newspaper records), having been here at that time about three years. His wife Anna appears to have passed 15 Jul 1931 in Dickinson, ND, USA (have yet to corroborate). He originally came from Josefsdorf 9 May 1905 with wife Anna and two kids, Laura and Thomas (per viewing your extraction of ship records): http://freepages.genealogy.rootsw eb.ancestry.com/~banatdata/ND/NDakota.htm I am creating most of Thomas' family record looking at p. 205 of your Josefsdorf draft but I believe there is high probability on this family being correct per matches on the DOB matching his Ohio death cert, and DOB/POB matches on daughter Elenoria (my great-grandmother) to her death certificate (Eleanora Laura SCHACHERER), and per mention of a son named Peter from oral family sources: 1 Barbara LENHART / 12 Apr 1880 (Setschan) - 9 Sep 1884; 2 Anna LENHART / 7 Aug 1881 (Setschan) - ? / oo Josef DONIS 12 Feb 1899 at Josefsdorf / last know residence in Dunn, ND, USA per 1930 US census; 3 Peter LENHART / 17 Aug 1883 (Josefsdorf) - 1909 (?) (Montana, USA); 4 Elenoria / 3 Jul 1887 (Josefsdorf) - 11 Oct 1969 (Mansfield, OH, USA) / oo Anton SCHACHERER abt. 1910 (per Dickinson, ND, USA US census); 5 Johann (Thomas) LENHART / 27 Jun 1892 (Josefsdorf) - Aug 1976 (Guadalajara, Mexico) / no known spouse; 6 Magdalena / 24 Aug 1894 - 22 Jan 1897 Some of the above chart has been added to based on further Ancestry.com research. Any other information or reference material you can point to would be fantastic! Best Regards, Andrew ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- From: [email protected] To: [email protected]; [email protected] CC: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:49:02 -0800 Andrew, I have been a long term volunteer at the local Mormon FHC. About 10 years ago a fellow came into the center while I was there who was a descendent of ND Banaters. Since Banaters are thin on the ground here we spent the rest of the day shooting the bull on Banaters. I have forgotten his name, but he had made many trips to the Banat back in the bad old communist days and had many wild stories to tell. As I recall he was descended from Peter Schulz and Marg Wilhelm who lived in Glendive(see the Josefsdorf draft at Banatbooks). I only saw him one additional time when he came in and had several documents with him, among them the letter we eventually published. I made a copy for my use at that time. He was not in very good health and was talking about making still another trip to the Banat. I wondered if he ever was able to make the last trip. In any event, the letter was obviously an effort on the part of the author to leave a bit of family history for his descendents. I agree with your conclusion that the author appears to be Heinrich Schulz. Although I cannot directly document birthplace of Heinirch Schulz but in the Josefsdorf church books his birthplace is given as Tschawosch. There is no family book for Tschawosch at this time nor are copies of the Tschawosch church books generally available(except in the Temeswar archives). Could you give me the death date and place of Thomas Lenhardt. Do you have details on the death dates, places and marriages of his kids? Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Ricks To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 10:07 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Letter from Setschan dated 24 Jan 1938 12 Jan 2014 Greetings Gentlemen! I am writing in the interest of the above-described letter and communication between you in 2008 (found in the Banat archives - see link below). It specifically names a direct descendant of mine, i.e. a Thomas LENHART, my second great grandfather. He is buried here in Mansfield, Ohio, USA and I am currently in the process of purchasing a headstone for his grave site - it would be nice to include a place of birth for the engraver. Since I am having trouble navigating the many Banat resources that are so graciously provided, would you kindly point me in the right direction on some questions I have: a.. What is the originating source of this letter? b.. Who authored the letter? It appears to be a Heinrich SCHULZ, pursuant to comparing the stated marriage date in the letter to the Elisenhain-Josefsdorf Family Register 1872-1990 (page 317). Any help you may offer would be deeply appreciated. Sincerely, Andrew Andrew J. Ricks 459 Beethoven St. Mansfield, OH 44902-7012 (419) 612-9008 [email protected] http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BANAT/2008-12/1229585579 http://www.banatbooks.com/ELISENHAIN-JOSEFSDORF-FAMILY-REGISTER-Watermarked. pdf ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message