The spelling variations I've found are often so far apart I cannot figure how it happened. for instance: Bautz =Pautz=Pauz+ Paucz= Penzer= Panzer=Peschle and all the B's and P's interchangeable, etc. go figure....... so don't give up easily !! Linda Bautz McKenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Fedewa" <[email protected]> To: "Amanda Kaiser" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? > Hi Amanda, > > I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as > Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input > from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that > the > Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear > some responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when the > priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of > which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are > many examples of this among List members. > > In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed > sometimes > as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with > the > umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent > over the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared as > Hech, Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a Holz, > who escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents > well, said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is > how > we pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, > and Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's > surname has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably > a > couple more, can't remember at the moment. > > Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd rather > first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. > > In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, > > Marilyn > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi Marilyn, >> I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but >> there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know >> about >> your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling change. Can >> I >> give him you email address so he can confer with you? He is a reasearcher >> for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found my grandad's >> brothers >> and sister. As far as I know my great grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was >> born >> in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly married in St Georgen (can't find any >> records), had children in Grob Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's >> wedding (my grandad Franz Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and >> listed as living in Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased >> at the time of the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just >> that my grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other >> family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended up >> and >> possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather Nikolaus >> may >> be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. >> Take care >> :) mandy >> ________________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 11:32 AM >> To: Amanda Kaiser >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >> >> Hi Mandy, >> >> Sorry it took so long to respond to your last email, but our power has >> finally been restored (from a devastating Michigan ice storm). It's so >> nice >> to be home again, warm again, and connected!! I think you got all the >> info >> right from the previous emails, as far as I can see on the Banat List and >> your WikiTree page. In the meantime, here's a couple more thoughts for >> you >> . . . . >> >> 1 - Did you notice in the recent Banat LIst emails that there is a >> Michael >> Kaiser in the group? Looks to me as though his email address puts him in >> Germany, but you still may benefit from comparing notes with him. >> >> 2 - I only just received another file on births in Ernsthausen 1926-1945, >> and haven't had time to go through it all, but in the first few pages I >> did >> see two Kveiser/Kaiser's in there as godparents. One was Jacob >> Kveiser/Kaser, as godparent in Ernsthausen on November 27,1927, to baby >> Catharina daughter of Andreas Reb and Angela Waleri/Valeri. The other one >> was an Elisabeth Kveiser/Kaiser in Ernsthausen on April 22, 1928 as >> godmother to Jacob daughter of Maria Mayer. Not sure who these Kaisers >> are, >> relative to your family tree, but it places them in Ernsthausen at the >> time. For what it's worth. >> >> Wishing you continued good luck on your searches, >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Amanda Kaiser >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Hi Marilyn, >> I am absolutely blown away that you found the information on my great >> grandad and great great grandparents! If I could, you'd have the biggest >> hug right now!!! >> Yes I work in Education, I have 2 jobs, mornings I work with disabled >> primary school children running specialist programs in Numeracy, Literacy >> and Speech and in >> the afternoon/night I work at the tafe (university) with disabled youth >> and adults assisting them to gain their qualification in the fields they >> are studying. End of the >> semester is very busy! Glad to be able to have time off! >> >> For the last 6 months a researcher in the banat has been trying to locate >> my family. I will pass on the information to him as he was completely >> stumped as well! He >> managed to locate the records in Grob Betschkerek of my grandad and his >> brothers & sister. Pretty sure there is another brother as my remembered >> having 4 uncles, >> my dad never knew he had an aunty. The researcher knew someone >> researching >> St Georgen and couldn't find my great grandfather in any records! >> >> So just to get it right... >> >> Nikolaus Kaiser born 1871 St Georgen (parents: Theresia (Mort) and >> Nikolaus Kaiser) >> married: 26 Nov 1896 in Ernsthausen to wife Elisabeth Schneider (parents: >> Anna (Pfendt) and Christof Schneider) >> Children: all born in Ernsthausen >> 1. Nikolaus 30 Aug 1896 oo Magdalena Gangl >> 2. Peter 7 April 1898 >> 3. Mathias 20 May 1900 >> 4. Franz 18 Dec 1901 >> >> I am so thankful! You have really made a difference! Thankyou for >> spending >> so much of your time to help. I appreciate it more than you know! >> I hope you have a great Christmas and a really wonderful New Year! >> >> :) Mandy >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >> Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 4:42 AM >> To: Amanda Kaiser >> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >> >> Hi, I figured we'd hear back from you, just wanted to make sure you >> didn't >> have a computer meltdown or something more dire. >> >> When you study Dave Dreyer's response to my note in the Banat Listings, >> you'll see that your great grandparents were actually married in >> Ernsthausen. He/Miklos/Nikolaus was listed as originally from St. George >> and living in Botos, or vice versa, can't remember at the moment which >> way >> the columns are written. And she/Ersebet/Elisabeth was listed as living >> in >> Ernsthausen house #181 & 1/2. Not only that, the priest marked down >> THEIR >> parents names, so you'll have info back to your great-greats on both of >> their sides. >> >> I'm so happy I was able to do this (I spent about three hours looking >> through the records after Dave said they weren't there, just hoping it >> wasn't so, as I know how weird the handwriting and spelling can be, and >> how >> frustrating it can be to find nada -- and so many people on the Banat >> List >> have helped me enormously. FYI, the List will be very gratified to hear >> your response. It is lovely group of very committed competent people, all >> searching for their own families, and learning as they go). >> >> So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY again!! Do I deduce from your email that you work at >> an >> educational institution? (I am semi-retired but was with Michigan State >> University and another college and university for years). All the best to >> you, Amanda! >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> Hi Marilyn! >> Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!! >> I have just read my emails with tears streaming and the biggest smile, I >> can't believe you were able to find info on my great grandfather! I'm >> sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been working 12/13 hour >> days >> all week! Thank god today was my last day at work...I'm exhausted!!! My >> grandad and his siblings were all born in Grob Betschkerek. So I think >> that >> my great grandfather might have married in Sankt Georgen because he >> wasn't >> in the marriage register in Grob Betschkerek. I am so thankful, you have >> given me the best birthday present ever! I need to re read your email >> because I read it quickly and rushed to reply. I just wanted to let you >> know I was ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow once I have another look at >> the info and after I have a massive sleep in!!!! Yay! Take care and good >> night >> :-) mandy >> ________________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> ><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] >> Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 1:41 AM >> To: Amanda Kaiser >> Subject: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >> >> Hi Amanda, hope you are okay and wonder if you received the email and >> Banat postings about your family? I had thought you might be pleased at >> finding your great granddad. All the best, Marilyn >> >> This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally >> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this >> email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or >> any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should >> notify the sender and delete this email immediately. 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