Pappe is definitely in the Hatzfeld Familienbuch. Let me know if you would like a lookup. Fran Matkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Clarkson" <clark1se@sbcglobal.net> To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Cc: "Banat List" <banat-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 10:33 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Pape in Giseladorf Look for Pape or alternate spelling Babe in Hatzfeld for a possible link to Franz or his father Mathias Pape. Susan Clarkson. --- On Fri, 11/6/09, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: From: Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Subject: [BANAT-L] Pape in Giseladorf To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, November 6, 2009, 10:40 PM Bobby; There is a family book for Giseladorf which is out of print but still available on a CD. There were a bunch of Papes in Giseladorf most of which came from Tschestereg. Anyone born before 1882 had to come from another locality since Giseladorf was founded in 1882. The book gives(if I have the right guy); Pape Franz, son of Mathias Pape and Barbara Jung *1860 Tschestereg oo 6 Feb 1887 Giseladorf Molling Barbara *1859 Barbara *28 Dec 1887 Giseladorf Barbara Molling was also married to Johann Schmidt but I don't know if it was a first or a second marriage. The Giseladorf family book leaves a lot to be desired. Josef Michels is working on a new edition of the Giseladorf family book which will overcome these shortcomings. Further, Roswith Egert is working on a family book for Tschestereg which should have details on the parents of Franz Pape. Since Tschestereg is a daughter village the Papes had to come from another (Banat)locality. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: Barbara Hubert-Nelson To: ddreyer@pacbell.net Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 9:35 AM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat This has been interesting to follow. I was told by my mother.s cousin that my mother,s paternal ancestors came from Alsace. I do not know that for a fact. I am new to this site and have much to learn. His name was Franz Pape and was born in Gisella Falva so I am told. again, no documentation. I do believe that his parents lived in Gisella Falva and if so that is where he was born. BOBBY NELSON > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 09:11:16 -0800 > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat > > K; > Some travelers likely went the way you suggest however the overland > portion > of the trip was over considerable rougher country. Similar comments apply > to travel from Alsace around Strassburg to head of navagation on the > Danube > at Ulm which would require travel through an area of the Black Forest > involving many up and down grades. Nevertheless, those from Alsace would > have had fewer options. For those on foot this may have been of lesser > consequence but for those traveling by wagon it would have been an > important > consideration. > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "K" <hobee@rogers.com> > To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Friday, November 06, 2009 5:39 AM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Alsace and Lorraine to Banat > > > > Is it also possible that once the ancestors traveled up the Rein they > > also > > could have continued to Mannheim and used the Necker river to Tubingen, > > then overland to Ulm. This seems a shorter route but shore travel may be > > more difficult. > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message