According to information published at http://www.kulturraum-banat.de/ Rekasch was first mentioned in 1359. Apparently it always had a truly multicultural population. Some more recent population numbers are as follows: In 1930: 4210 inhabitants, out of which 1687 (40.1%) ethnic Germans In 1992: 4905 inhabitants, out of which 202 (4.1%) ethnic Germans. Note that a large number of Germans left their villages and the only homes they ever knew after the fall of Ceausescu in 1989. According to a story, dated 06/15/1859, by Stol Nànyi, village notary in a Batschka village, and self-described as "schokazisch": "... The Schokazen or Schokatzen, Sokácok in Hungarian, Šokci in Serbian, are descendants of late 17th-century Serb refugees from the former southern Hungary and the Raska Herzegovina, a subgroup of ivakian Croats..." I have to correct my perception that they were just simply Croats. Best regards, Nick Tullius -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Boglarka Lazar Sent: 13-Aug-10 11:31 To: 'Banat List' Subject: [BANAT-L] Rekasch, Temesrekas, Secas FYI According to the 1910 census Rekasch had 4321 inhabitants Out of that 1832 were German, 1236 Hungarian, 970 Sokatz, 215 Romanian. Religion: 3965 Roman Catholic, 230 Greek Orthodox, 53 Jewish. Sokatz is a Southern Slavic nation, they were Roman Catholic. Best regards, Boglárka ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Boglárka, Most of what you said about the Šokci sounds a lot like what I know about the Bunjevci. How are they different? John Michels Spokane ----- Original Message ----- From: Boglarka Lazar<mailto:strombus@t-online.hu> To: Banat-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Sokatz, Sokac Dear Peter, I haven't found any reference to the Sokatz being decendants of Serbs as Nick Tullius wrote! As I live in a region where we have Sokác people, maybe my information is more accurate. Sokác people (Šokci in Croatian or the same word, just with Cyrillic writing in Serbian: Шокци) is a Southern Slavic ethnic group living in Southern Hungary, (in larger numbers around Mohács - which is the second largest town in Baranya county), in parts of Batchka near the Danube that now belong to Serbia (Szond, Bácsbéreg, Monostorszeg, Zombor), and in Croatia, in certain parts of Slavonia. Their number is about twenty thousand together in Hungary and Serbia (I could not find information about Croatia). Nearly all the Sokatz are Roman Catholics. They moved to the Southern part of Hungary (then these mentioned places were all parts of Hungary) from current Bosnia-Hercegovina during the Turkish times, when these areas became scarcely inhabited or uninhabited. In parts of Bosnia the Catholic minority is still called Sokatz. The Sokác traditional costume looks oriental, similar to what Balkanic people (Serbians, Bosnians, Bulgarians) wear, rather than what Croatians wear. But the Sokác dialect is closer to Croatian than Serbian. As they are Roman Catholic like the Croats, since the end of the 19th century they have been identifying themselves as a subgroup of Croats, but have a strong sense of being a different, independent ethnic group. I found this page four you in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0okci<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0okci> Boglárka ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Than there were VLAHI. Who were those? Rosina > Boglárka, > > Most of what you said about the Šokci sounds a lot like what I know about > the Bunjevci. How are they different? > > John Michels > Spokane > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Boglarka Lazar<mailto:strombus@t-online.hu> > To: Banat-L@rootsweb.com<mailto:Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 3:11 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Sokatz, Sokac > > > Dear Peter, > > I haven't found any reference to the Sokatz being decendants of Serbs as > Nick Tullius wrote! As I live in a region where we have Sokác people, > maybe my information is more accurate. > > Sokác people (Šokci in Croatian or the same word, just with Cyrillic > writing in Serbian: Шокци) is a Southern Slavic ethnic group living in > Southern Hungary, (in larger numbers around Mohács - which is the second > largest town in Baranya county), in parts of Batchka near the Danube that > now belong to Serbia (Szond, Bácsbéreg, Monostorszeg, Zombor), and in > Croatia, in certain parts of Slavonia. Their number is about twenty > thousand together in Hungary and Serbia (I could not find information > about Croatia). > > Nearly all the Sokatz are Roman Catholics. They moved to the Southern > part of Hungary (then these mentioned places were all parts of Hungary) > from current Bosnia-Hercegovina during the Turkish times, when these areas > became scarcely inhabited or uninhabited. In parts of Bosnia the Catholic > minority is still called Sokatz. > > The Sokác traditional costume looks oriental, similar to what Balkanic > people (Serbians, Bosnians, Bulgarians) wear, rather than what Croatians > wear. But the Sokác dialect is closer to Croatian than Serbian. As they > are Roman Catholic like the Croats, since the end of the 19th century they > have been identifying themselves as a subgroup of Croats, but have a > strong sense of being a different, independent ethnic group. > > I found this page four you in Wikipedia: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0okci<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0okci> > > Boglárka > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com<mailto:BANAT-request@rootsweb.com> with the > word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
Yes, they are pretty similar. They are both Roman Catholics. They both live in Vojvodina and Batchka. In Hungary you can find Bunjevci in larger numbers around the city of Baja. In Serbia in Szabadka, Zombor and Bács. (Sorry for the Hungarian names, this is how I know them, look for the other name in the language you want). They came to Hungary at about the same time as the Sokac, but they arrived from Dalmatia and Hercegovina (not Bosnia). Their traditional costume is different, their dialect comes from Dalmatia . Until the end of the second world war they considered themselves a separate ethnic group, in Hungary they were registered as such. Now in Hungary they are washed together with the Croats, and Bunjevci is considered a subgroup. In Serbia they are registered as a separate ethnic group. Their number on the two sides of the Serbian-Hungarian border is about 100 000. Boglárka From: John M Michels [mailto:JohnMMichels@msn.com] Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 0:22 To: Banat-L@rootsweb.com; Boglarka Lazar Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Sokatz, Sokac Boglárka, Most of what you said about the Šokci sounds a lot like what I know about the Bunjevci. How are they different? John Michels Spokane ----- Original Message ----- From: Boglarka Lazar <mailto:strombus@t-online.hu> To: Banat-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Sokatz, Sokac Dear Peter, I haven't found any reference to the Sokatz being decendants of Serbs as Nick Tullius wrote! As I live in a region where we have Sokác people, maybe my information is more accurate. Sokác people (Šokci in Croatian or the same word, just with Cyrillic writing in Serbian: Шокци) is a Southern Slavic ethnic group living in Southern Hungary, (in larger numbers around Mohács - which is the second largest town in Baranya county), in parts of Batchka near the Danube that now belong to Serbia (Szond, Bácsbéreg, Monostorszeg, Zombor), and in Croatia, in certain parts of Slavonia. Their number is about twenty thousand together in Hungary and Serbia (I could not find information about Croatia). Nearly all the Sokatz are Roman Catholics. They moved to the Southern part of Hungary (then these mentioned places were all parts of Hungary) from current Bosnia-Hercegovina during the Turkish times, when these areas became scarcely inhabited or uninhabited. In parts of Bosnia the Catholic minority is still called Sokatz. The Sokác traditional costume looks oriental, similar to what Balkanic people (Serbians, Bosnians, Bulgarians) wear, rather than what Croatians wear. But the Sokác dialect is closer to Croatian than Serbian. As they are Roman Catholic like the Croats, since the end of the 19th century they have been identifying themselves as a subgroup of Croats, but have a strong sense of being a different, independent ethnic group. I found this page four you in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0okci Boglárka
Dear Peter, I haven't found any reference to the Sokatz being decendants of Serbs as Nick Tullius wrote! As I live in a region where we have Sokác people, maybe my information is more accurate. Sokác people (Šokci in Croatian or the same word, just with Cyrillic writing in Serbian: Шокци) is a Southern Slavic ethnic group living in Southern Hungary, (in larger numbers around Mohács - which is the second largest town in Baranya county), in parts of Batchka near the Danube that now belong to Serbia (Szond, Bácsbéreg, Monostorszeg, Zombor), and in Croatia, in certain parts of Slavonia. Their number is about twenty thousand together in Hungary and Serbia (I could not find information about Croatia). Nearly all the Sokatz are Roman Catholics. They moved to the Southern part of Hungary (then these mentioned places were all parts of Hungary) from current Bosnia-Hercegovina during the Turkish times, when these areas became scarcely inhabited or uninhabited. In parts of Bosnia the Catholic minority is still called Sokatz. The Sokác traditional costume looks oriental, similar to what Balkanic people (Serbians, Bosnians, Bulgarians) wear, rather than what Croatians wear. But the Sokác dialect is closer to Croatian than Serbian. As they are Roman Catholic like the Croats, since the end of the 19th century they have been identifying themselves as a subgroup of Croats, but have a strong sense of being a different, independent ethnic group. I found this page four you in Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0okci Boglárka