Dave; It was not my intention to say that Philipp Lung did not do a good work in the case of D. Etschka family book! I really do not know because I do not have access to the original KBs. I just want(ed) to say that a "Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde X" should gather together ALL the Roman Catholics from the X parish without taking into consideration their ethnicity [Hungarian, Bulgarian, Slovak, Croat, etc. / the Romanians and the Serbs were not Roman Catholics in 99,99% of the cases!]. And that this is still not the case for the Banat's FB ... Best Regards, S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Dreyer" To: "Banat List" Sent: Monday, August 09, 2010 Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] [GenRoG] --RE:Re: Lorenz Horvath in Josefsdorf > Sorin; > When I first started Banat research I was bothered by the Hungarian > surnames > which popped up in the German community from time to time. But now I have > grown to accept that some individuals were integrated and some of these > people grew to be an accepted part of that German society. I assume that > intermarriage although probably infrequent increased in later years and > that > the German community was not as introverted as I had been lead to believe > . > I have difficulty in identifying Romanian surnames but I assume mixing > occurred to a similar degree with the German community and Craig's example > is a case in point. > Such a integration appears also to have happened along the German Polish > boarder over a longer period to account for the frequent occurrence of > Polish surnames in Germany. > Clearly, Lorenz Horvath, was one of these Hungarians who was a solid > member > of the German community. Perhaps he was born into it. Trickier for an > outsider like myself it is hard to pick up and identify Germans who became > Magyarized and adopted a Hungarian surname. This appears mostly to have > occurred among professionals who wanted to be accepted by the Hungarian > authorities. > I would argue that Philipp Lung did not consciously omit Lorenz Horvath > from > the D Etschka family book since there are a bunch of other Horvath > families > listed. This is not to say Romanians, Hungarian or Serbs didn't get > omitted > from other family books from time to time. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "GenealogyRO Group" > To: "Banat List" > Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 > Subject: [BANAT-L] [GenRoG] --RE:Re: Lorenz Horvath in Josefsdorfl >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Dave Dreyer" >> To: "Banat List" >> Sent: Sunday, August 08, 2010 >> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Lorenz Horvath in Josefsdorfl >>> This Lorenz Horvath is a long standing problem ... >>> The Josefsdorf KBs (church books) indicate that Lorenz Horvath is from >>> Etschka. ... >>> Lorenz is not in the D Etschka family book but this is not suprising >>> since >>> the author Philipp Lung did not have copies of all the D Etschka KBs to >>> work >>> from and there are many records missing. ... >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> OR the explanation is that he, Lorenz Horvath, was not a German, and the >> FB >> author(s) were not quite interested in his entrances from the original >> KBs >> ... >> >> In to many cases the title "Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde >> X" >> do not cover the reality and inhabitants of that village, who do not have >> a >> German name, are ignored deliberately ... >> >> S o r i n >> http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm