Bonjour Rosina, For sure I'll be interested to read this book. Bur let me try to correct one point in Rita's presentation : Danube Swabians were not German settlers. At the time they settled in Banat, Germany didn't even exist; and those arriving from Lorraine were not french as Lorraine was not yet a part of France. And this is why they were "Swabians"; nothing else but isn't it enough ?! Daniel Hilaire Bordeaux, France. > From: rosinats@shaw.ca > To: Banat@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:36:08 -0800 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Book preview: Rita Tomkins' From Banat to Bailey Avenue > > > Hello to my Donauschwaben Cousins, > > Another book on our DS Leidensweg is forthcoming: From Banat to Bailey Avenue, by Rita Tomkins. > > > Rita Tomkins wrote: > > "This is Resi’s story and then her daughter Anna’s story, which together tell the history of the Danube Swabians, a community of German settlers living in Eastern Europe before, during, and after World War II. As Germans living in Romania, they didn’t really belong to one country or the other. They had their own culture, rich with customs and traditions and the occasional paradox. Some were seasoned travelers, living part time in bustling New York City to make money, but usually returning home to the rural life they loved. At the end of World War II, their world was destroyed. Their land was confiscated by the new communist government, and adults—both male and female—were sent to forced labor camps hundreds of miles away. > > > > This is an interesting corner of history that deserves to be illuminated and preserved. And I have been blessed to receive true stories about it that read like a novel. > > My mother is a natural oral historian and these are the stories I have been hearing all my life. > > > > This is my mother’s story and her mother’s story and, to help modern readers make a connection, part of my American story as well. From Banat to Bailey Avenue vividly presents a time and place that doesn’t exist anymore except in the memories of aging Swabians who have scattered across the west. It strives to preserve their world within an engaging true story." > > > > It will be interesting to read it. > > > > Rosina > > www.hrastovac.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : une messagerie fiable avec une protection anti-spam performante https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969

Hello, I read your comments and need some help! I have a family tree where my ancestors originated in what is now Saarland, Deutschland in 1522. They moved in the early 1700's during the second generation immigration to what is now Temesware, Romania. My mother came from what is now Gertinosch (Carpinis) Romania and my father came from (what is now...or was then in 1912) Sartscha, Yugosolvia. My grandfather on my mother's side came from what is now and was then Bogarosch...(now in Romania)....both my brother and I were born in the USA and we are the last of the true European blood line. I was born during WWII (1944)., my brother not until 1950. My questions is ....what am I?..... A German American?..... Or an Austrian-Hungarian German American...Or am I a German American Donauschwaben?...or Holy Roma Empire Austrian-Hungarian/....or something else depending on what time period and war period we were born?....or maybe just a plain American with an Austrian-Hungarian Blood Line? What come first...the chicken or egg? I really would like some opionions. Thanks and Have a Great Day! Frank A. Jakob, Broker-Associate Coldwell Banker Residential Real Estate, LLC 3301 Del Prado Blvd Cape Coral, Fl 33904 Toll Free/Office: 800-741-1912 Local/Office: 239-945-1414 Fax: 239-542-9212 Cell: 239-989-8852 e-mail: frank.jakob@floridamoves.com web: www.floridamoves.com/frank.jakob -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Daniel HILAIRE Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 3:01 PM To: rosinats@shaw.ca; List BANAT Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Book preview: Rita Tomkins' From Banat to Bailey Avenue Bonjour Rosina, For sure I'll be interested to read this book. Bur let me try to correct one point in Rita's presentation : Danube Swabians were not German settlers. At the time they settled in Banat, Germany didn't even exist; and those arriving from Lorraine were not french as Lorraine was not yet a part of France. And this is why they were "Swabians"; nothing else but isn't it enough ?! Daniel Hilaire Bordeaux, France. > From: rosinats@shaw.ca > To: Banat@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 07:36:08 -0800 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Book preview: Rita Tomkins' From Banat to Bailey Avenue > > > Hello to my Donauschwaben Cousins, > > Another book on our DS Leidensweg is forthcoming: From Banat to Bailey Avenue, by Rita Tomkins. > > > Rita Tomkins wrote: > > "This is Resi's story and then her daughter Anna's story, which together tell the history of the Danube Swabians, a community of German settlers living in Eastern Europe before, during, and after World War II. As Germans living in Romania, they didn't really belong to one country or the other. They had their own culture, rich with customs and traditions and the occasional paradox. Some were seasoned travelers, living part time in bustling New York City to make money, but usually returning home to the rural life they loved. At the end of World War II, their world was destroyed. Their land was confiscated by the new communist government, and adults-both male and female-were sent to forced labor camps hundreds of miles away. > > > > This is an interesting corner of history that deserves to be illuminated and preserved. And I have been blessed to receive true stories about it that read like a novel. > > My mother is a natural oral historian and these are the stories I have been hearing all my life. > > > > This is my mother's story and her mother's story and, to help modern readers make a connection, part of my American story as well. From Banat to Bailey Avenue vividly presents a time and place that doesn't exist anymore except in the memories of aging Swabians who have scattered across the west. It strives to preserve their world within an engaging true story." > > > > It will be interesting to read it. > > > > Rosina > > www.hrastovac.net > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail : une messagerie fiable avec une protection anti-spam performante https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bonjour Daniel, Your statements need some completions. The colonists coming from Western Europe to Banat in the XVIII century were mainly inhabitants of the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation (in German language: Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation; in Latin language: Imperium Romanum Sacrum Nationis Germanicae). The term "Sváb" was used in the papers of Hungarian chancellery at the beginning of XVIII Century to name the colonist which came from Western Europe. Because among the first colonists the majority was coming from the swabian part of the Holly Roman Empire, they were named all as "Sváb" regardless their actual origin. Some of the settlers felt they were Germans [and there are enough documents proving this!] as others felt they were French / Lorraineers. Please note that there is no need for a Germany state to exists to have germans! Only in the second half of the XIX century, from this mixture of settlers [including also italians, etc.] emerged the Banat’s Schwaben. Only in March 1879 the name Schwabe / Schwaben [in the banatic German dialect is Schwob or Schwowe] was use by a journalist in a German newspaper issued in Timisoara to name ONLY the inhabitants of the Banat’s plain villages [not the inhabitants of the cities or those living in the villages from Banat’s mountains!]. So, first others -i.e. the Hungarians, Romanians, Serbs, etc.- named them using this word before they name themselves in this way. The inhabitants of the German villages from Banat gained very late [beginning of the XX century] their self-consciousness as members of an ethnic group living in all Banat [the "Petition von Bogarosch" from 2.10.1849 was an exception of a common view / political enterprise done by the inhabitants of only 13 villages]. Until then, their own “ideological” horizon ended at the horizon of each's village. [this subject need a lot of time - which, unfortunately, I do not have right now! - for composing an complete answer] Best Regards, S o r i n http://www.genealogy.ro/contributions.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel HILAIRE" To: "List BANAT" Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Book preview: Rita Tomkins' From Banat to Bailey Avenue Bonjour Rosina, For sure I'll be interested to read this book. Bur let me try to correct one point in Rita's presentation: Danube Swabians were not German settlers. At the time they settled in Banat, Germany didn't even exist; and those arriving from Lorraine were not french as Lorraine was not yet a part of France. And this is why they were "Swabians"; nothing else but isn't it enough ?! Daniel Hilaire Bordeaux, France. > From: rosina > To: Banat@rootsweb. > Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Book preview: Rita Tomkins' From Banat to Bailey Avenue > Hello to my Donauschwaben Cousins, > Another book on our DS Leidensweg is forthcoming: From Banat to Bailey > Avenue, by Rita Tomkins. > > Rita Tomkins wrote: "This is Resi’s story and then her daughter Anna’s > story, which together tell the history of the Danube Swabians, a community > of German settlers living in Eastern Europe before, during, and after > World War II. As Germans living in Romania, they didn’t really belong to > one country or the other. They had their own culture, rich with customs > and traditions and the occasional paradox. Some were seasoned travelers, > living part time in bustling New York City to make money, but usually > returning home to the rural life they loved. At the end of World War II, > their world was destroyed. Their land was confiscated by the new > communist government, and adults—both male and female—were sent to forced > labor camps hundreds of miles away. This is an interesting corner of history that deserves to be illuminated and preserved. And I have been blessed to receive true stories about it that read like a novel. My mother is a natural oral historian and these are the stories I have been hearing all my life. This is my mother’s story and her mother’s story and, to help modern readers make a connection, part of my American story as well. From Banat to Bailey Avenue vividly presents a time and place that doesn’t exist anymore except in the memories of aging Swabians who have scattered across the west. It strives to preserve their world within an engaging true story." > It will be interesting to read it. > Rosina > www.hrastovac.net