Hi Betty, >From the Ostern family book: #2587 KOTSISAN Valentin, Beisitzer, Eltern: Kotsisan Josef und Mesz Klara *21.11.1829 Grabatz + er. 1853 1.oo 30.06.1850 Grabatz KAROLINI Elisabeth *20.05.1833 Grabatz 1. Anna *25.04.1853 Ostern Bemerk. Vater: Son of: Kocsisan, Kotschischan, Kotsison, Kotsissan: Q.Fb.Grabatz The Ostern book also has a Franz (* 1848 Bogarosch) and Michael KOTZIAN (* 1867 Batatzhausen) Michael's parents were Mathias Kotzian and Theresia Gehl. Author's note: Father (Mathias) is the son of Koczian (Geel) Q. FB Lenauheim 680/3419 and 3432. Spellings varied considerably so the above may contain some clues for you. Frank D. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Betty Mauro" <fmauro@webtv.net> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Kotzian > > I am trying to locate the name of the town for a Valentin Kotzian. He > was born about 1843??? This is all the information I have on him. > > I would appreciate anyone with a family book. PLEASE do a look up for > me. Thank you in advance. > > Betty > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to emigrate from the Banat to America. I do not know the economic conditions or if there was something specific. My families emigrated from Pankota and Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908 (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al). What were the reasons others have found that their ancestors left for America. I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site

Denise -- I'm sure that my family who came in 1911 from Glogowatz (very near to Neupanat where my great grandmother was born - Magdalena Szander) came for better lives. They didn't own property. My grandfather tended the horses; granny worked at the farm; Her boss told her to leave before she was "attached" to anything. He loaned her the money for their travels -- and they paid him back. They came to New York City -- a little section in Queens called College Point where there were factories springing up. Many people got jobs. The area was already well settled from the 1890's and was a German town - language, customs, church, etc. They had friends there - some family members came a year or two earlier. I think that is what you will find when you receive more answers -- after the holidays are over. Hope you hear more. My family names in Neupanat are Szander/Lump/Hackert/Herzog to name a few -- more at roll call when it starts. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Denise Sproed" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 2:38 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band > My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to > emigrate from the Banat to America. I do not know the economic > conditions > or if there was something specific. My families emigrated from Pankota > and > Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908 (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, > Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al). What were the reasons others > have found that their ancestors left for America. > > I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the > age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in > the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in > the > Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find > information on this fact? > > Thank you, > > Denise in Oregon > My genealogy related pages are at: > http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ > and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ > The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Denise,  the reasons for emigrating to the US (or Canada) are several:   There were recruiters from US factories visiting towns in the Banat to sign up workers   If one young man or family went to the US, they would write about land and job opportunities available, they would sponsor other family members or friends   Land was in short supply in the Banat - large tracts of land were owned by the church, the government or by large landowners, it was getting harder and harder for a young man to get land   The inheritance practices gave a man's land to his oldest son.  The other sons had to seek work in other ways, either by working as a day laborer on someone else's land, by learning a trade, or moving to city to look for work in a factory   Susan Clarkson --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> wrote: From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM My father was asking me if I knew what had motivated his ancestors to emigrate from the Banat to America.   I do not know the economic conditions or if there was something specific.  My families emigrated from Pankota and Ujpanat (Neupanat) in 1903-1908  (Pfau, Plennert, Schmidt, Freisinger, Hauptman, Reznicsek, Doran, Engel, et al).  What were the reasons others have found that their ancestors left for America. I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24.  I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band.  How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band?  Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon My genealogy related pages are at: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~merritt/ and http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~merritt/ The latter created using John Cardinal's Second Site ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I wonder if the ancestor who played in the Kaiser's band was in the Austro-Hungarian military? I have a photo of band members with instruments wearing military uniforms among my Hungarian ancestor's photos. That would have been circa 1900. Vicki Albu --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> wrote: From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM (first part of message snipped) I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24.  I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band.  How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band?  Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon

Vicki - Is there any way you could e-mail the photo? My grandfather was a musician and may have been in the Austro-Hungarian military. Thank you, Mike Kausch ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vicki Albu" <VAlbu@comcast.net> To: "'Susan Clarkson'" <clark1se@sbcglobal.net>; "'Denise Sproed'" <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Cc: "'Banat List'" <banat-l@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration and playing in Kaiser's band I wonder if the ancestor who played in the Kaiser's band was in the Austro-Hungarian military? I have a photo of band members with instruments wearing military uniforms among my Hungarian ancestor's photos. That would have been circa 1900. Vicki Albu --- On Fri, 1/1/10, Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> wrote: From: Denise Sproed <denisesproed@onlinenw.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Motivation for emigration & The Kaiser's Band To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Date: Friday, January 1, 2010, 2:38 PM (first part of message snipped) I also have another question - my ancestor came to America in 1903 at the age of 24. I am told he started playing the cornet at age 9 and played in the Kaiser's band. How would a man living in the Banat come to play in the Kaiser's band? Does anyone know of a resource where I could find information on this fact? Thank you, Denise in Oregon ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message