Barbara, I have the dates of five Angela Rollinger of Warjasch, which year is your Angela born, what was the date of her marriage and to whom? Anni -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:26:57 -0700 > Von: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > An: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Betreff: [BANAT-L] Rollinger localities > Barbara; > Yes, there were Rollinger families in Warjasch but there is no family book > for Warjasch. You will also find the Rollinger surname in St Hubert, > Perjamsoch, Baratzhausen, Alexanderhausen and probably other localities. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Wilson's > To: David Dreyer > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:32 PM > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara > > > I have an Angela Rollinger coming from Wajasch. Does anyone have that > book in order to look for Anna Rollinger there? > > Barbara > > > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net > > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:45:43 -0700 > > Subject: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara > > > > Amy; > > According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born > 2 Aug > > 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in > > Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the > remaining 9 > > kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to > Georgshausen. > > So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other > than > > Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter > > villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons > so > > the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca > 1836 so > > he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth > > Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and > a > > Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. > Jakob > > Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 > Grabatz who > > moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness > to > > his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here > but > > until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. > > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > > To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" > > <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM > > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > > > > Hello Dave and Dave, > > > > > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, > which > > > give > > > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > > > > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu > (House > > > #75) > > > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same > year, > > > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) > and at > > > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > > > > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at > the > > > time > > > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > > > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no > further > > > indication of which house they were living in. > > > > > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and > on his > > > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - > born > > > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > > > > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might > produce some > > > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > > > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > > > To: Banat List > > > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > > > Dave; > > > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain > was > > > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were > moved > > > to > > > > > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > > > family > > > > > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these > people > > > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only > able to > > > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > > > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born > ca > > > 1834 > > > > > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 > Jul > > > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we > know > > > that > > > > > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf > records > > > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, > for D > > > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, > there are > > > a > > > > > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is > undoubtly > > > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung > was > > > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw > your > > > own > > > > > > conclusions. > > > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up > the > > > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan > and > > > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. > Marta > > > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the > bus > > > but > > > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. > Gr > > > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short > order. > > > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > > > Dave Dreyer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > > > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > > > Subject: Elisenheim > > > > > > > > >> Hello Dave: > > >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. > Does > > >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? > That > > >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > > >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of > research > > >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible > > >> hometown > > > > > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > > >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz > Horvath's > > >> hometown. 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