Dick..   The marriage witnesses were usually the godfathers of the bride and groom if still living or in the area....at least that seems to be my experience in my research. Ken Christie (njgcards@yahoo.com) 112 Indigo Cove Kyle, TX 78640 --- On Wed, 2/24/10, hiriseguy@email.com <hiriseguy@email.com> wrote: From: hiriseguy@email.com <hiriseguy@email.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, February 24, 2010, 4:05 PM In the new FB for Deutsch Zerne the list of abbreviations is almost complete. There are a few missing ones, but I have been able to decipher all but one. After the marriage info (vh) there is (led., led., TZ and 2 names) I know the 2 led means that both partners were never married before. What does TZ stand for? If they are witnesses, why are they always men? I figured that    ab   is the emigration date I use translation web pages to figure out occupations. All else is easy to understand. Dick Barak St Francis, MN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message