Hi Gary, This was the most recent edition. It may be available at the Family History Library in SLC. There are no plans to reprint the books. The Church records for Hatzfeld are on-line at the FamilySearch.org website. Go to their website, select Search, select Catalog, and enter “Hatzfeld” in the field for “Place”. Select the one in Austria, Banat (there is also a Hatzfeld in Prussia). Please note the records on-line are digital images of the Church book pages, are not indexed, and only cover up to 1851. Hope that helps, —Karen > On Nov 5, 2017, at 12:30 PM, Gary K <flash_no_1@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Was that the latest version? Where else is it available? > > Get Outlook for Android <https://aka.ms/ghei36> > From: BANAT <banat-bounces+flash_no_1=hotmail.com@rootsweb.com> on behalf of Karen Dalton Preston <Karen@golden-hills.com> > Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 2:19:42 PM > To: BANAT List > Subject: [BANAT-L] Hatzfeld Fb sold-out > > Dear List members, > > The 6-volume family book for Hatzfeld is sold-out. > > —Karen

Wayne,Contributors can just send the data to David Preston at  davidpreston50@gmail.com for incorporation into the database.Many thanks for the additions.Dave Dreyer On Saturday, November 4, 2017 5:31 AM, Wayne Bartl <wbartl@gmail.com> wrote: I do not know where to send these passenger records to add to the database.  "David Dreyer’s Ship Extraction Database of the Banat" HOFRATH Anton - [H163] - Age 30 -From:  Kübekhausen -DtAr:  Wednesday, 24 Apr 1907 - To:  St, Louis, MO  -Via: Ant/NY -Ship: Zuland -Note:  Born in Kübekhausen. Going to brother-in-law Peter Hinthl Accompanied by sister-in-law Elisabet Hinthl. HINTHL Elisabet - [H534] - Age 32 -From:  Kübekhausen -DtAr:  Wednesday, 24 Apr 1907 - To:  St, Louis, MO  -Via: Ant/NY -Ship: Zuland -Note:  Born in Kübekhausen. Going to husband Peter Hinthl. Accompanird by brother-in-law Anton Hofrath. WAINBACHJosef - [W512] - Age 30 -From:  Kübekhausen -DtAr:  Wednesday, 24 Apr 1907 - To:  St, Louis, MO  -Via: Ant/NY -Ship: Zuland -Note:  Born in Kübekhausen. Going to friend Peter Hinthl HEINERMANN Maria -[H565]- Age: 34 -From:  Temeswar -DtAr: Wednesday, 20 Aug 1902 - To: St Louis, MO -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Cassel -Note: Going to join husband Nikolaus Heinermann with children Elise 11, Adam 9, Josef 6, and Stefan 4. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, The latest version of this information can be found here http://www.village-records.org/ShipList/ShipData_list.php <http://www.village-records.org/ShipList/ShipData_list.php> Additions or changes should be sent to davidjpreston50@gmail.com Any changes or additions to the database will be reviewed by Dave Dreyer before the database is updated. Many thanks for any revisions to the information. Best regards, David Preston Banat List Administrator === http://www.banatbooks.com http://www.danube-swabians.org http://www.village-records.org http://www.molidorf.org

I do not know where to send these passenger records to add to the database. "David Dreyer’s Ship Extraction Database of the Banat" HOFRATH Anton - [H163] - Age 30 -From: Kübekhausen -DtAr: Wednesday, 24 Apr 1907 - To: St, Louis, MO -Via: Ant/NY -Ship: Zuland -Note: Born in Kübekhausen. Going to brother-in-law Peter Hinthl Accompanied by sister-in-law Elisabet Hinthl. HINTHL Elisabet - [H534] - Age 32 -From: Kübekhausen -DtAr: Wednesday, 24 Apr 1907 - To: St, Louis, MO -Via: Ant/NY -Ship: Zuland -Note: Born in Kübekhausen. Going to husband Peter Hinthl. Accompanird by brother-in-law Anton Hofrath. WAINBACHJosef - [W512] - Age 30 -From: Kübekhausen -DtAr: Wednesday, 24 Apr 1907 - To: St, Louis, MO -Via: Ant/NY -Ship: Zuland -Note: Born in Kübekhausen. Going to friend Peter Hinthl HEINERMANN Maria -[H565]- Age: 34 -From: Temeswar -DtAr: Wednesday, 20 Aug 1902 - To: St Louis, MO -Via: Bre/Bal -Ship: Cassel -Note: Going to join husband Nikolaus Heinermann with children Elise 11, Adam 9, Josef 6, and Stefan 4.

Dear List members, The 6-volume family book for Hatzfeld is sold-out. —Karen

Hello fellow list members, is there a family book for Arad? I am looking for information about Johann Dornbach and his wife Katherine Müller, both born around 1878. They lived in Arad before going to the US in 1906. Thank you very much and happy Halloween! Bastian

Josefsdorfers played a key role in establishing the North Dakota Banat Colony.  About 25% of the ND Banaters can include Josefsdorf as their ancestral village.An article in the 15 Sept 2017 issue of the Banater Post by Katharina Szomoru describes the 135 th anniversary celebration on 15 August of the founding of Josefsdorf.Josefsdorf was established in 1882 on poor soils on hilly terrain in the hills East of Temeswar by transfer of the population from Elisenhain.  Today there are hardly any Banat Germans living in the village.  The present population consists of Romanians and some Slowak families who arrived in the 1970.   On the occasion of the anniversary the street leading into the village has been paved with asphalt and the Kulturheim cleaned and painted.  The Romanian orthodox priest of the village organized two German groups in Schwablsch Tracht from Detta and Billed to provide a bit of Banater Deutsch flavor to the celebrations.Only three Josefsdorf familes came from Germany to join the festivities, Engelbert Schmidt with family, Peter Bergmann with wife and Josef Szomoru with wife.  One suspects that we are witnessing the final stage of German influence, as we know it, in this small corner of the Banat. In a totally unrelated item in this same issue of the Banater Post was a school class photo from Josefsdorf for the years 1950-1951.  Such photos appear from time to time in the Banater Post but are most often without identification of the kids. This photo submitted by Regina Lutz has all 25 of  the kids identified.  Many of the surnames will be recognizable by ND Banaters, among these are; Giel, Trendier, Gaschna, Beketsch, Naegl. Descho, Thierjung, Helllmann, Dworscheck, Schaff, Weissmueller, Laub, Betschner, Neusatz and Bisch. Dave Dreyer   

Edward, An author in Germany is working on a Familienbuch for Gross Kikinda. There is no release date as yet. The Church books for Kikinda for the years 1761-1848 are now on-line at the FamilySearch.org website as digital images of the Church book pages. Best, —Karen > On Oct 24, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Lowe, Edward <ELowe@co.ocean.nj.us> wrote: > > > Hello, I was wondering if anybody has information about whether the Kikinda(Gross Kikinda) Family Book or Church Book is ever going to be published. I have been involved with my Great Grandmother's genealogy for close to 15 years. And that whole time, Kikinda(GK) has been listed as a book "to be published". Does anybody know of a time frame when this book will be available. I would very much like to have access to my Great Grandmother's birthplace genealogy records. Or does anybody know of anyone who has access to Kikinda(GK) church and family records. In Kikinda(GK) I am researching Binzberger, Grill, Schmidt, Kutra, Lux, Martin, Kozian, Burghard, and any names that are connected through research, of course. > > > Edward Lowe > elowe@co.ocean.nj.us

As some may have noticed, the Banat List was unavailable for on the 24th and part of the 25th of October. Here is the statement released by Ancestry: As you know, RootsWeb is a collection of products that has grown organically over the last two decades. Many of these have not been updated or maintained in years. Ancestry is currently working on updating and revising World Connect, Mailing Lists, and hosted sites such as Free Pages over the next twelve months; however, all other products and functionality are under review. We will continue to notify you of updates here as decisions are made. The Banat List is part of Rootsweb, so this list is subject to review and possible elimination. To avoid possible loss of the information contained in this thread, I am copying all of the Archives for this list, along with the Member email addresses. Should Ancestry determine that the Band List is no longer a part of their free services, I will endeavor to migrate the information to a new host for continued service. With kind regards, David Preston Banat List Administrator === http://www.banatbooks.com http://www.danube-swabians.org http://www.village-records.org http://www.molidorf.org

> zwei neue Online-Ortsfamilienbücher aus dem nördlichen Banat > (Kreischgebiet) sind erschienen und kostenlos nutzbar: > > Pankota 1787-1889 (18.571 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/pankota/ > Schimand 1835-1855 (3.875 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/schimand/ > > ergänzt/korrigiert wurden: > > Detta 1724-1906 (36.878 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/detta/ > Maria Radna 1717-1877 (17.548 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/radna/ > > Die Arbeit an den Daten geht weiter! > > Viele Grüße > Günter Junkers > Schriftführer > Arbeitskreis donauschwäbischer Familienforscher e.V. (AKdFF) > > info@akdff.de > Geschäftsstelle AKdFF e.V. > Goldmühlestraße 30, 71065 Sindelfingen > www.akdff.de > Bürozeiten: > Ausschließlich Donnerstag und Freitag, 10-16 Uhr >

Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, I have just received from the museum in Entre Rios a passenger list of those Danube Swabians that sailed to Brazil between 1951 and 1954 and established the settlements of Entre Rios. More on that please see http://hrastovac.net/historical/60-years-Entre-Rios.htm. The list is 79 pages long and too long to type it up, but if you are looking for a specific name, I will gladly do a look-up for you. Halloween greetings from Vancouver Island, Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

zwei neue Online-Ortsfamilienbücher aus dem nördlichen Banat (Kreischgebiet) sind erschienen und kostenlos nutzbar: Pankota 1787-1889 (18.571 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/pankota/ Schimand 1835-1855 (3.875 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/schimand/ ergänzt/korrigiert wurden: Detta 1724-1906 (36.878 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/detta/ Maria Radna 1717-1877 (17.548 Personen) http://www.online-ofb.de/radna/ Die Arbeit an den Daten geht weiter! Viele Grüße Günter Junkers Schriftführer Arbeitskreis donauschwäbischer Familienforscher e.V. (AKdFF) info@akdff.de Geschäftsstelle AKdFF e.V. Goldmühlestraße 30, 71065 Sindelfingen www.akdff.de Bürozeiten: Ausschließlich Donnerstag und Freitag, 10-16 Uhr

Hello, I was wondering if anybody has information about whether the Kikinda(Gross Kikinda) Family Book or Church Book is ever going to be published. I have been involved with my Great Grandmother's genealogy for close to 15 years. And that whole time, Kikinda(GK) has been listed as a book "to be published". Does anybody know of a time frame when this book will be available. I would very much like to have access to my Great Grandmother's birthplace genealogy records. Or does anybody know of anyone who has access to Kikinda(GK) church and family records. In Kikinda(GK) I am researching Binzberger, Grill, Schmidt, Kutra, Lux, Martin, Kozian, Burghard, and any names that are connected through research, of course. Edward Lowe elowe@co.ocean.nj.us

Hi Larry, From the banatbooks list of future books, Karin Mager is working on a book for D-St. Michael. Here is her contact info: Email: Karin-Mager@arcor.de <mailto:Karin-Mager@arcor.de> Best, —Karen > On Oct 23, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Larry Fischer <lfischer46@gmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks for the great responses. > > Deutsch St. Michael makes sense based on seeing that elsewhere. Is there a book for this village? > > Regards, Larry Fischer > > From: banat-request@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 12:01 AM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 168 > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to > banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Where is Minaei? (Karen Dalton Preston) > 2. Re: Where is Minaei? (Eric Benshetler) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:23:45 -0400 > From: Karen Dalton Preston <Karen@golden-hills.com> > To: Larry Fischer <lfischer46@gmail.com> > Cc: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Where is Minaei? > Message-ID: <C3B0F284-F821-4D10-9AF8-E645BE5EE8D0@golden-hills.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Hi Larry, > > I looked at the image of the passenger manifest on ancestry.com. The place of birth that is entered on the manifest looks like ?Mihael?, which could be Deutsch St. Michael. > > I hope that helps! > ?Karen > >> On Oct 20, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Larry Fischer <lfischer46@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> In the wonderful "Emigration from Banat in the National Archives Ship >> Records Extractions by David Dreyer" on RootsWeb is the following entry for >> my grand aunt. >> >> RENON Elisabeth -[R550 ]- Age: 55 -From: Billed >> -DtAr: Friday, 1 Jul 1921 - To: Detroit, MI -Via: Sou/NY -Ship: Berengaria >> -Note: Born in Minaei? Accompanied by kids, Katharina 20, Barbara 19 and >> Rosa 15. *Katharina born in Minaei*, Barbara and Rosa born in Billed. Going >> to join bro-in-law, Max Miller. >> >> I cannot filed the birthplace Minaei. Where is Minaei? >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 23:18:26 -0400 > From: "Eric Benshetler" <Penn77@comcast.net> > To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Where is Minaei? > Message-ID: <007d01d34ae4$6db78920$49269b60$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm not sure where Minaei is, but keep in mind that the passenger ship > manifests were written by people based on what they heard, and then the > handwriting had to be interpreted later for the index. Mistakes are always > possible in those two steps. I've seen surnames for my family that were > incorrect both in manifests and indexes. > > I assume you know that your aunt is also listed in the Billed OSB in entry > r256. She apparently lived earlier in Csatad where she gave birth in 1904 > to a son named Jakob who died in Billed in 1905. There's no mention of > Katharina or Barbara, who probably were born elsewhere and left Billed with > their mother before any other activity that would put them into the church > records. Rose (Rosalia) is listed since she was born in Billed in 1906. > The other town that's mentioned is Gottlob, apparently where her husband > Meinhardt was from. > > (I have the OSB because my paternal grandmother came from Billed - r219, > child 3.) > > --- Eric > > -----Original Message----- > From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+penn77=comcast.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf > Of Larry Fischer > Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:10 PM > To: BANAT@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Where is Minaei? > > In the wonderful "Emigration from Banat in the National Archives Ship > Records Extractions by David Dreyer" on RootsWeb is the following entry for > my grand aunt. > > RENON Elisabeth -[R550 ]- Age: 55 -From: Billed > -DtAr: Friday, 1 Jul 1921 - To: Detroit, MI -Via: Sou/NY -Ship: Berengaria > -Note: Born in Minaei? Accompanied by kids, Katharina 20, Barbara 19 and > Rosa 15. *Katharina born in Minaei*, Barbara and Rosa born in Billed. Going > to join bro-in-law, Max Miller. > > I cannot filed the birthplace Minaei. Where is Minaei? > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to > BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 168 > ************************************** > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for the great responses. Deutsch St. Michael makes sense based on seeing that elsewhere. Is there a book for this village? Regards, Larry Fischer From: banat-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 12:01 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 168 Send BANAT mailing list submissions to banat@rootsweb.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists9.rootsweb.ancestry.com/mailman/listinfo/banat or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to banat-request@rootsweb.com You can reach the person managing the list at banat-owner@rootsweb.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Where is Minaei? (Karen Dalton Preston) 2. Re: Where is Minaei? (Eric Benshetler) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 16:23:45 -0400 From: Karen Dalton Preston <Karen@golden-hills.com> To: Larry Fischer <lfischer46@gmail.com> Cc: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Where is Minaei? Message-ID: <C3B0F284-F821-4D10-9AF8-E645BE5EE8D0@golden-hills.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Larry, I looked at the image of the passenger manifest on ancestry.com. The place of birth that is entered on the manifest looks like ?Mihael?, which could be Deutsch St. Michael. I hope that helps! ?Karen > On Oct 20, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Larry Fischer <lfischer46@gmail.com> wrote: > > In the wonderful "Emigration from Banat in the National Archives Ship > Records Extractions by David Dreyer" on RootsWeb is the following entry for > my grand aunt. > > RENON Elisabeth -[R550 ]- Age: 55 -From: Billed > -DtAr: Friday, 1 Jul 1921 - To: Detroit, MI -Via: Sou/NY -Ship: Berengaria > -Note: Born in Minaei? Accompanied by kids, Katharina 20, Barbara 19 and > Rosa 15. *Katharina born in Minaei*, Barbara and Rosa born in Billed. Going > to join bro-in-law, Max Miller. > > I cannot filed the birthplace Minaei. Where is Minaei? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 23:18:26 -0400 From: "Eric Benshetler" <Penn77@comcast.net> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Where is Minaei? Message-ID: <007d01d34ae4$6db78920$49269b60$@comcast.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'm not sure where Minaei is, but keep in mind that the passenger ship manifests were written by people based on what they heard, and then the handwriting had to be interpreted later for the index. Mistakes are always possible in those two steps. I've seen surnames for my family that were incorrect both in manifests and indexes. I assume you know that your aunt is also listed in the Billed OSB in entry r256. She apparently lived earlier in Csatad where she gave birth in 1904 to a son named Jakob who died in Billed in 1905. There's no mention of Katharina or Barbara, who probably were born elsewhere and left Billed with their mother before any other activity that would put them into the church records. Rose (Rosalia) is listed since she was born in Billed in 1906. The other town that's mentioned is Gottlob, apparently where her husband Meinhardt was from. (I have the OSB because my paternal grandmother came from Billed - r219, child 3.) --- Eric -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+penn77=comcast.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Fischer Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:10 PM To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Where is Minaei? In the wonderful "Emigration from Banat in the National Archives Ship Records Extractions by David Dreyer" on RootsWeb is the following entry for my grand aunt. RENON Elisabeth -[R550 ]- Age: 55 -From: Billed -DtAr: Friday, 1 Jul 1921 - To: Detroit, MI -Via: Sou/NY -Ship: Berengaria -Note: Born in Minaei? Accompanied by kids, Katharina 20, Barbara 19 and Rosa 15. *Katharina born in Minaei*, Barbara and Rosa born in Billed. Going to join bro-in-law, Max Miller. I cannot filed the birthplace Minaei. Where is Minaei? ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to BANAT-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to BANAT@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. ------------------------------ End of BANAT Digest, Vol 12, Issue 168 **************************************

I'm not sure where Minaei is, but keep in mind that the passenger ship manifests were written by people based on what they heard, and then the handwriting had to be interpreted later for the index. Mistakes are always possible in those two steps. I've seen surnames for my family that were incorrect both in manifests and indexes. I assume you know that your aunt is also listed in the Billed OSB in entry r256. She apparently lived earlier in Csatad where she gave birth in 1904 to a son named Jakob who died in Billed in 1905. There's no mention of Katharina or Barbara, who probably were born elsewhere and left Billed with their mother before any other activity that would put them into the church records. Rose (Rosalia) is listed since she was born in Billed in 1906. The other town that's mentioned is Gottlob, apparently where her husband Meinhardt was from. (I have the OSB because my paternal grandmother came from Billed - r219, child 3.) --- Eric -----Original Message----- From: BANAT [mailto:banat-bounces+penn77=comcast.net@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Larry Fischer Sent: Friday, October 20, 2017 2:10 PM To: BANAT@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Where is Minaei? In the wonderful "Emigration from Banat in the National Archives Ship Records Extractions by David Dreyer" on RootsWeb is the following entry for my grand aunt. RENON Elisabeth -[R550 ]- Age: 55 -From: Billed -DtAr: Friday, 1 Jul 1921 - To: Detroit, MI -Via: Sou/NY -Ship: Berengaria -Note: Born in Minaei? Accompanied by kids, Katharina 20, Barbara 19 and Rosa 15. *Katharina born in Minaei*, Barbara and Rosa born in Billed. Going to join bro-in-law, Max Miller. I cannot filed the birthplace Minaei. Where is Minaei?

Hi Larry, I looked at the image of the passenger manifest on ancestry.com. The place of birth that is entered on the manifest looks like “Mihael”, which could be Deutsch St. Michael. I hope that helps! —Karen > On Oct 20, 2017, at 2:09 PM, Larry Fischer <lfischer46@gmail.com> wrote: > > In the wonderful "Emigration from Banat in the National Archives Ship > Records Extractions by David Dreyer" on RootsWeb is the following entry for > my grand aunt. > > RENON Elisabeth -[R550 ]- Age: 55 -From: Billed > -DtAr: Friday, 1 Jul 1921 - To: Detroit, MI -Via: Sou/NY -Ship: Berengaria > -Note: Born in Minaei? Accompanied by kids, Katharina 20, Barbara 19 and > Rosa 15. *Katharina born in Minaei*, Barbara and Rosa born in Billed. Going > to join bro-in-law, Max Miller. > > I cannot filed the birthplace Minaei. Where is Minaei? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the wonderful "Emigration from Banat in the National Archives Ship Records Extractions by David Dreyer" on RootsWeb is the following entry for my grand aunt. RENON Elisabeth -[R550 ]- Age: 55 -From: Billed -DtAr: Friday, 1 Jul 1921 - To: Detroit, MI -Via: Sou/NY -Ship: Berengaria -Note: Born in Minaei? Accompanied by kids, Katharina 20, Barbara 19 and Rosa 15. *Katharina born in Minaei*, Barbara and Rosa born in Billed. Going to join bro-in-law, Max Miller. I cannot filed the birthplace Minaei. Where is Minaei?

Hello Suzanne, As I was away from computer for a time, the information below might be of interest to you on your Saltpeter Rebellion question. The research was done by myself. In 1744 was the first Saltpeter rebellion in Hotzenwald, due to exorbitant taxes requested by the landowner, the bishop, as he needed additional funds to finish the basilica in St. Blasien, Black Forest. After the 5th Saltpeter rebellion, on October 9th 1755 the Empress Maria Theresia had 27 family men and their families, altogether 112 persons imprisoned and sent in chains to Banat to Beschenova, Freidorf, Karanschebesch, Lugosch, Raksch, Ujpecs (oder Vybis) und Zsackowa. Those 27 Hotzenwaelders were: Fridolin Albietz from Buch, Jakob Albietz from Etzwihl, Martin Artzner from Engelschwand, Fridolin Bär from Görwihl, Martin Bär from Hierholz, Martin Beger from Oberalpfen, Johann and Konrad Ebi from Oberalpfen, Georg Ebner from Birndorf, Fridolin Eckert from der Rütte, Fridolin Eckert from Buch, Michael Eckert from Hogschür, Leonhart Gamp from Dogern, Josef Geng from Hogschür, Johann Georg Gerspacher from Oberwihl, Nikolaus Gottstein from der Rütte, Jakob Huber from Görwihl, Adam Jehle from Dogern, Johann Baptist Kaiser from Katzenmoos, Gregor Kummer from Buch, Josef Leber from der Glashütte, Johann Marder, der Preuß from Eschbach, Johann Georg Marder from Waldkirch, Johann Meierfrom Niederalpfen, Johann Strittmatter from Görwihl, Sebastian Werni from Kiesenbach, Jakob Zimmermann from Görwihl.[6] <applewebdata://12437545-BBC6-429B-9999-17BBBB2525F7#_ftn6> Between 1751- 1805 some 180 persons emigrated from the relatively very small area of Hotzenwald to Banat. Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net > On 06152017AD--, at 7:49 01000PM, ddreyer@pacbell.net wrote: > > Suzanne, > I was pleasantly surprised to receive your message on the Saltpeter Revolutionaries. As you probably know there have been a number of studies in the last decade or so, of these guys. You are certainly aware, as well, that your Martin Berger, along with his wife and six kids, were banned to the Banat after they were forced to sell their propriety in the Hotzenwald. The family settled in Umbach and the details are available in Anton Kraemer’s Ulmbach family book. > Are you a subscriber to the Banat mailing list? > Dave Dreyer > > > > From: Suzanne Mulvehill > Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2017 1:41 PM > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Subject: RE: Martin Berger - Saltpeter Rebel > > Hello, > > I hope this email reaches you as I found your thread some time ago about the memorial for the members of the 5th Saltpeter Rebellion. My ancestor, Martin Berger, was one of those who were banished. > I am in Germany for a few weeks and plan to visit this memorial. I thank you for writing about it back in 1999. > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/BANAT/1999-08/0935545127 > > Sincerely, > Suzanne > > > Suzanne Mulvehill > President-Sales > Miami Tropical Plants > 9481 W. Atlantic Avenue > Delray Beach, FL 33446 > Office: +1 561 270 7352 > Cell: +1 561 267 9829 > FAX: +1 561 584 6921 > sales@miamitropicalplants.com > www.miamitropicalplants.com > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Larry, The Billed book does not list parents for Elizabeth or Meinhardt. Although Meinhardt's information might be found in Gottlob records. If you like I can send you a copy off list. Eileen Lund-Johnson On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 5:29 PM, Larry Fischer <lfischer46@gmail.com> wrote: > Help is needed to find a marriage record for my great aunt Elisabetha Servo > to Menyolt Renon in the Banat. > I'd also like to find birth records for her three daughters Katharina, > Barbara and Rosa who were born in the Banat. > > Here is what I know: > > Familienbuch Deutsch Zerne record 10228 lists Elisabetha's birth in 1866. > She is my grandfather's older sister. > > According to passenger list records she came to Detroit in 1921 with her > three daughters Katharina, > Barbara and Rosa, but her husband was not with her. Those records indicate > they were coming from Heufeld, but there is no record of them in the > Heufeld Family Book. > Curiously, the Heufeld FB record R048 lists another Elisabeth Servo > married to a Melchoir Renon. But that person is shown to have died in 1909 > and is not my great aunt. > The David Dreyer emigration list on rootsweb shows the family came from > Billed with two of the daughters born there and the oldest daughter born > in Minaei, which is not in the list of Banat villages. > > Katharina filed for citizenship in 1954 and lists her birthplace as Nemit, > Saint Michael, Hungary, which is today called Sânmihaiu German, Romania. Is > there another book for this place? > > Regards, Larry Fischer > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message