Diane & Ed, Although I don't have "older" info on Franz Grebeldinger, I did want to offer that Ed and I are second cousins. I just searched the older Banat posts and realized I missed your post last October looking for info on Franz Grebeldinger. The first wife of Franz Grebildinger, Helen Gasko [Ed's grandmother], is a sister of my grandmother, Magdalena [Vilma] Gasko. Of the five children in this Gasko family, three relocated to the Detroit area and two remained in the New York/New Jersey area. I think that there must have been some "extra" connection between Ed's mother, Isabell Grebeldinger Budd Rasmussen and my mother, Eleanor Vanek Jacobs [first cousins], even though my mother left New York City with her family before 1920. I recall that when I found Isabell's obituary a few months after she passed away in 1998 and told my mother, she was quite sad. I have Gasko family info to share, if you would like. This includes our immediate Gasko family as well as efforts to connect Gasko's from Pardan who were ancestors of a number of older Banat list subscribers. Dave Dreyer, who responded to your Banat photo post, was instrumental in providing info & incentive to get the Gasko connection effort going a number of years ago [thanks again, Dave!]. I also have a possible idea on where to search for more Grebeldinger's [Detroit/Wyandotte area]. I suggest we take more detailed communication off-list. My email is jerry_jacobs at comcast.net Thanks for your post, Jerry Jacobs
I am looking for the birth village of my grandfather, Frank S. Till and some of his siblings. His parents were Istvan /Steven Till and Bertha Grosz who were married 10 September 1888 in Rekasch. Here are the names and birthdates I have: Frank S. 30 Nov. 1889 Bertha ?16 Oct 1890 ?Kovanins Josef 3 Feb. 1898 in D. Bentschek Amilia 20 Feb. 1899 in Lippa Sandor 7 Mar. 1900 in D Bentschek Anna K. 24 May,1902 Glus/Helen 30 Mar. 1904 John 7 Mar. 1907 Thank you, Diane Till Heisig
Katherine, Do you have Google Translate? Just copy the link Rosina provided and click translate. It did a very nice translation job for me! Best Regards, Rita ________________________________ From: Katharine Samuelson <samuelson@telus.net> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 3:22 PM To: Banat Mailing List Subject: [BANAT-L] Re: The Spanish flu Hello Rosina As I also am interested in the write up, I am disappointed that it is only on German. If there is a kind soul, a translation would be really appreciated. Katharine from sunny Delta -----Original Message----- From: Rosina Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:47 AM To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] The Spanish flu Hello, Its good to have the Banat-L online again! Yesterday, 100 yers ago was the first victim of an epidemic registered, that in the end had more deaths than both World Wars together. We know it under the Spanish Flu name. Here is an interesting article shared by Dietger Braun: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html [http://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/4093074135/1.5478841/article_multimedia_overview/51731885.jpg]<http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> Spanische Grippe: Als die Welt im Fieber lag<http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> www.faz.net Heute vor hundert Jahren wurde das erste Opfer einer Seuche registriert, die am Ende mehr Tote forderte als zwei Weltkriege zusammen. Was kann uns die Spanische Grippe lehren? <http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> [http://media1.faz.net/ppmedia/aktuell/4093074135/1.5478841/article_multimedia_overview/51731885.jpg]<http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> Spanische Grippe: Als die Welt im Fieber lag<http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> www.faz.net Heute vor hundert Jahren wurde das erste Opfer einer Seuche registriert, die am Ende mehr Tote forderte als zwei Weltkriege zusammen. Was kann uns die Spanische Grippe lehren? Greetings from Vancouver Island, Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net<http://www.hrastovac.net> Hrastovac & Neighbors Bulletin Board<http://www.hrastovac.net/> www.hrastovac.net WELCOME to the web pages of the Danube Swabian village of HRASTOVAC, also known under its German name of EICHENDORF. Hrastovac was a thriving village ...
Konak (Kanak) was colonized by Roman Catholic Bulgarians (Pavlikeni) around 1830. It is the same ethnic group you will find in Dudeștii Vechi (Óbesenyő, Altbeschenowa) and some other places in Banat. 500 Bulgarians arrived in Konak at the time and Konak was never German, although there could be some German families there, naturally. Konak was parochially covered by Boka, which was populated by Croatians in 1801 and 1821. Konak got its own parish, I think in late 1890's (I can check). I often asked myself which sources were used for the purpose of writing of Setschan FB ... over the years, a number of people asked me to research certain periods in Setschan parish records available in Serbia, so something is probably missing ... Staša Cvetković On Thu, Mar 8, 2018 at 4:40 AM, David Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: > Ed, Diane and Bill,Note that the data supplied by Bill, from the Setschan > Familienbuch, is somewhat vague on the parents of Michael G and wife, Anna > Schulz. There were substantial gaps in the KB data Karl Benz used to write > the Setschan FB. I find the marriage entry of Michael in the Dolatz family > bookGraebeldinger Michael, son of Franz Grabeldinger and Eva Meng*ca. 1858 > Setschanoo 29 Nov 1883 DolatzSchulz Anna, dau of Mathias Schulz and > Katharina Ruppert*18 Jun 1864 DolatzObviously someone has made an > arithmetic error here. In cases of inexact birth dates as we have for > Michael(1858 or 1868) the approximate birth date is arrived at by > subtracting the age from the death date. In this case I would think that > the 1868 date is correct since it is very rare to find a first marriage > where the wife is older than the husband.One now finds the Franz > Grebeldinger and Eva Meng family in the Stetschan family book.Grebeldinger > Franz, *1834 Kanak +22 Oct 1913 Setschan1oo 14 Jul > 1855 Kathreinfeld Meng Eva, dau of Nikolaus Meng and Christina Schneider*13 > Aug 1835 Kathreinfeld1 Stefan *1865 Setschan +25 Jul > 1915 Setschan2 Nikolaus *27 Dec 1867 Setschan3 Anna Ludmilla > *15 Sep 1870 Setschan4 Johann *25 Mar 1874 > Setschan2oo 1 Jul 1883 SetschanMassong Franziska, dau of Josef Massong and > M A Schubert*1853 Sartscha > Michael is missing from the above list of kids. Either he was born > somewhere else or there is a gap in the Setschan records. There is a gap > in the above list of kids where he would fit nicely in 1868.I have never > run across any Banaters from Kanak. According to the Donaushwaebisches > Ortsnamenbuch it is located a bit south of Gr Betschkerek. There is no > family book for Kanak. > One finds the marriage entry in the Kathreinfeld family book which has > limited data after 1841.Grablzinger Franz*1825oo 12 Jul 1855Meng Eva*1827 > Dave Dreyer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:08 PM, Bill <senior7038@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > 1507 GREBELDINGER, Michael > * um 1867 Setschan. † 1945 Lager Setschan. > . oo? > SCHULZ (SCHULCZ), Anna > * um 1869. † 1945 Lager Molidorf. > Kinder > 1. Barbara * 06.09.1884 Setschan. Tp.: Barbara GRASSL ; Anton MENO . † > 30.11.1884 > Setschan. > 316 > 2. Anton * 10.08.1885 Setschan. Tp.: Susanna FRIEDRICH ; Anton MENG . † > 24.12.1885 > Setschan. > 3. Franz * 20.09.1886 Setschan HNr. 275. Tp.: Anna DENGEL ; Franz > FRIEDRICH. > <Quelle > D.Dreyer: Franz Grebeldinger 18J nach New York, Via Bre/Bal. Ankunft am > 1.06.1905 mit Schiff > "Barbarossa".> > 4. Anna * 10.10.1888 Setschan HNr. 275. (3066) > 5. Jakob * 05.02.1890 Setschan. (1504) > 6. Magdalena * 23.06.1891 Setschan HNr. 401. Tp.: Magdale > > -----Original Message----- > From: dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com <dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:17 PM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Franz Grebeldinger > > Hi, > > We are looking for information about Franz Grebeldinger born Sept 24 > 1886 in Szecsany, Hungary (Serbia now) to Anna Schulz Grebeldinger and > Michael Grebeldinger. Other villages mentioned are Szegeo, Temesvar, Tor > Srecsany, Austria. Spoke German, Hungarian, "Magyar" . > > > > This is a picture that his daughter, my mother-in-law, had of Franz > Grebeldinger and his parents. Franz is wearing a uniform and we are > interested in what army he was enlisted and when. He came to USA in June > 1905. > > > > We appreciate any help you can give us about Franz and his family. > > > > Thank You, > > Ed & Diane Budd > > > > > > > > > > -- *Stasa Cvetkovic* *http://www.synergia.rs/ <http://www.synergia.rs/>* *Tel/fax: +381 21 553 265* *Mobile: +381 62 598 517* *Novi Sad, Serbia* *Visit our webpage <http://www.synergia.rs/>*
Thank you very much for your insights. We are trying to digest all this information and understand it. We appreciate all your help. Ed and Diane Budd Sent from my iPad > On Mar 7, 2018, at 10:42 PM, banat-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Send BANAT mailing list submissions to > banat@rootsweb.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via email, send a message with subject or > body 'help' to > banat-request@rootsweb.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > banat-owner@rootsweb.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of BANAT digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Banat List Update (cacfamilysearch@comcast.net) > 2. Franz Grebeldinger - "Bill" (dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com) > 3. Re: Franz Grebeldinger (David Dreyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 14:51:02 -0600 > From: <cacfamilysearch@comcast.net> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Re: Banat List Update > To: "'Banat List Admin'" <banatmailer@gmail.com>, "'BANAT List'" > <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <04f201d3b656$01711ff0$04535fd0$@comcast.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I actually thought there was something wrong with my outlook when I went to > version 10. Appreciate your work getting it up and running > again.........cac > > -----Original Message----- > From: Banat List Admin [mailto:banatmailer@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:17 AM > To: BANAT List <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Banat List Update > > Hello List Members, > > It appears that Ancestry / Rootsweb has restored the Banat List mail list > service, but they have not yet restored the archives for the list. From what > I could see, all members were restored. If you receive this email, then your > subscription is working and you should be able to use the List as you did > before the update. > > When the List Archives are restored, I will send out another email. > > Here is hoping that the service will be more stable and spam resistant! > > With kind regards, > David Preston > Banat List Administrator > === > http://www.banatbooks.com > http://www.danube-swabians.org > http://www.village-records.org > http://www.molidorf.org > http://danube-swabians.org/MtAngel/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2018 17:12:38 -0500 > From: <dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Franz Grebeldinger - "Bill" > To: <banat@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001b01d3b661$6987b260$3c971720$@tampabay.rr.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Thank you so much for the information on Franz Grebeldinger's family! It > will keep us very busy. It is so helpful. > > > > Ed & Diane Budd > > > ------------------------------ > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 03:40:36 +0000 (UTC) > From: David Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Re: Franz Grebeldinger > To: Banat Mailing List <banat@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <311351743.12161902.1520480436338@mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Ed, Diane and Bill,Note that the data supplied by Bill, from the Setschan Familienbuch, is somewhat vague on the parents of Michael G and wife, Anna Schulz. There were substantial gaps in the KB data Karl Benz used to write the Setschan FB. I find the marriage entry of Michael in the Dolatz family bookGraebeldinger Michael, son of Franz Grabeldinger and Eva Meng*ca. 1858 Setschanoo 29 Nov 1883 DolatzSchulz Anna, dau of Mathias Schulz and Katharina Ruppert*18 Jun 1864 DolatzObviously someone has made an arithmetic error here. In cases of inexact birth dates as we have for Michael(1858 or 1868) the approximate birth date is arrived at by subtracting the age from the death date. In this case I would think that the 1868 date is correct since it is very rare to find a first marriage where the wife is older than the husband.One now finds the Franz Grebeldinger and Eva Meng family in the Stetschan family book.Grebeldinger Franz, *1834 Kanak +22 Oct 1913 Setschan1oo 14 Jul 1855 Kathreinfeld Meng Eva, dau of Nikolaus Meng and Christina Schneider*13 Aug 1835 Kathreinfeld1 Stefan *1865 Setschan +25 Jul 1915 Setschan2 Nikolaus *27 Dec 1867 Setschan3 Anna Ludmilla *15 Sep 1870 Setschan4 Johann *25 Mar 1874 Setschan2oo 1 Jul 1883 SetschanMassong Franziska, dau of Josef Massong and M A Schubert*1853 Sartscha > Michael is missing from the above list of kids. Either he was born somewhere else or there is a gap in the Setschan records. There is a gap in the above list of kids where he would fit nicely in 1868.I have never run across any Banaters from Kanak. According to the Donaushwaebisches Ortsnamenbuch it is located a bit south of Gr Betschkerek. There is no family book for Kanak. > One finds the marriage entry in the Kathreinfeld family book which has limited data after 1841.Grablzinger Franz*1825oo 12 Jul 1855Meng Eva*1827 > Dave Dreyer > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:08 PM, Bill <senior7038@gmail.com> wrote: > > > 1507 GREBELDINGER, Michael > * um 1867 Setschan. † 1945 Lager Setschan. > . oo? > SCHULZ (SCHULCZ), Anna > * um 1869. † 1945 Lager Molidorf. > Kinder > 1. Barbara * 06.09.1884 Setschan. Tp.: Barbara GRASSL ; Anton MENO . † > 30.11.1884 > Setschan. > 316 > 2. Anton * 10.08.1885 Setschan. Tp.: Susanna FRIEDRICH ; Anton MENG . † > 24.12.1885 > Setschan. > 3. Franz * 20.09.1886 Setschan HNr. 275. Tp.: Anna DENGEL ; Franz FRIEDRICH. > <Quelle > D.Dreyer: Franz Grebeldinger 18J nach New York, Via Bre/Bal. Ankunft am > 1.06.1905 mit Schiff > "Barbarossa".> > 4. Anna * 10.10.1888 Setschan HNr. 275. (3066) > 5. Jakob * 05.02.1890 Setschan. (1504) > 6. Magdalena * 23.06.1891 Setschan HNr. 401. Tp.: Magdale > > -----Original Message----- > From: dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com <dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:17 PM > To: banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Franz Grebeldinger > > Hi, > > We are looking for information about Franz Grebeldinger born Sept 24 > 1886 in Szecsany, Hungary (Serbia now) to Anna Schulz Grebeldinger and > Michael Grebeldinger. Other villages mentioned are Szegeo, Temesvar, Tor > Srecsany, Austria. Spoke German, Hungarian, "Magyar" . > > > > This is a picture that his daughter, my mother-in-law, had of Franz > Grebeldinger and his parents. Franz is wearing a uniform and we are > interested in what army he was enlisted and when. He came to USA in June > 1905. > > > > We appreciate any help you can give us about Franz and his family. > > > > Thank You, > > Ed & Diane Budd > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > To contact the %(real_name)s list administrator, send an email to > %(real_name)s-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list -- banat@rootsweb.com, send an email to %(real_name)s@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to %(real_name)s-request@%(host_name)s > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > ------------------------------ > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 13, Issue 46 > *************************************
You are welcome! :) Staša On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 11:12 PM, <dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: > Thank you so much for the information on Franz Grebeldinger's family! It > will keep us very busy. It is so helpful. > > > > Ed & Diane Budd > > > > -- *Stasa Cvetkovic* *http://www.synergia.rs/ <http://www.synergia.rs/>* *Tel/fax: +381 21 553 265* *Mobile: +381 62 598 517* *Novi Sad, Serbia* *Visit our webpage <http://www.synergia.rs/>*
Dear List members, In my research on the many Hupfel, dispersed all over, I did run into one family which is found in the Pardan family book. However, this couple does not origin in Pardan; only their kids died there between 1877 and 1890. So far, there is no hint where the family came from. Has any of you a clue. The first name - Friedrich is not very typical for Banaters in my family and for newly arrived ones the time (year) is rather late. OFB Pardan: Families A - Z by Porte Johann and Masching Justine 0990 HÜPFL Friedrich oo LOCH Magdalena kids: 1. Johann * err 1867 + 12.01.1890 23 J.PP.S.225/8 729.Inf.Reg. 2. Friedrich * err. 1871 + 27.03.1877 5 1/2 J. PP.S.144/38 3. Magdalena * err. 1873 + 30.03.1877 3 J. 5 Mo. PP.S.144/40 Thank you in advance for your ideas and assistance Rudolf HUEPFL Wien, Österreich Genealogie ist das Weitergeben von Rätsel an die zukünftigen Generationen
Diana and Ed,Forgot to add my two cents about service in the military.Clearly Franz would have been enrolled in the Austrian-Hungarian Army. It is likely he served in the 29th or perhaps the 61st Inf Regiment.Dave Dreyer On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:40 PM, David Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: Ed, Diane and Bill,Note that the data supplied by Bill, from the Setschan Familienbuch, is somewhat vague on the parents of Michael G and wife, Anna Schulz. There were substantial gaps in the KB data Karl Benz used to write the Setschan FB. I find the marriage entry of Michael in the Dolatz family bookGraebeldinger Michael, son of Franz Grabeldinger and Eva Meng*ca. 1858 Setschanoo 29 Nov 1883 DolatzSchulz Anna, dau of Mathias Schulz and Katharina Ruppert*18 Jun 1864 DolatzObviously someone has made an arithmetic error here. In cases of inexact birth dates as we have for Michael(1858 or 1868) the approximate birth date is arrived at by subtracting the age from the death date. In this case I would think that the 1868 date is correct since it is very rare to find a first marriage where the wife is older than the husband.One now finds the Franz Grebeldinger and Eva Meng family in the Stetschan family book.Grebeldinger Franz, *1834 Kanak +22 Oct 1913 Setschan1oo 14 Jul 1855 Kathreinfeld Meng Eva, dau of Nikolaus Meng and Christina Schneider*13 Aug 1835 Kathreinfeld1 Stefan *1865 Setschan +25 Jul 1915 Setschan2 Nikolaus *27 Dec 1867 Setschan3 Anna Ludmilla *15 Sep 1870 Setschan4 Johann *25 Mar 1874 Setschan2oo 1 Jul 1883 SetschanMassong Franziska, dau of Josef Massong and M A Schubert*1853 Sartscha Michael is missing from the above list of kids. Either he was born somewhere else or there is a gap in the Setschan records. There is a gap in the above list of kids where he would fit nicely in 1868.I have never run across any Banaters from Kanak. According to the Donaushwaebisches Ortsnamenbuch it is located a bit south of Gr Betschkerek. There is no family book for Kanak. One finds the marriage entry in the Kathreinfeld family book which has limited data after 1841.Grablzinger Franz*1825oo 12 Jul 1855Meng Eva*1827 Dave Dreyer On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:08 PM, Bill <senior7038@gmail.com> wrote: 1507 GREBELDINGER, Michael * um 1867 Setschan. † 1945 Lager Setschan. . oo? SCHULZ (SCHULCZ), Anna * um 1869. † 1945 Lager Molidorf. Kinder 1. Barbara * 06.09.1884 Setschan. Tp.: Barbara GRASSL ; Anton MENO . † 30.11.1884 Setschan. 316 2. Anton * 10.08.1885 Setschan. Tp.: Susanna FRIEDRICH ; Anton MENG . † 24.12.1885 Setschan. 3. Franz * 20.09.1886 Setschan HNr. 275. Tp.: Anna DENGEL ; Franz FRIEDRICH. <Quelle D.Dreyer: Franz Grebeldinger 18J nach New York, Via Bre/Bal. Ankunft am 1.06.1905 mit Schiff "Barbarossa".> 4. Anna * 10.10.1888 Setschan HNr. 275. (3066) 5. Jakob * 05.02.1890 Setschan. (1504) 6. Magdalena * 23.06.1891 Setschan HNr. 401. Tp.: Magdale -----Original Message----- From: dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com <dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:17 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Franz Grebeldinger Hi, We are looking for information about Franz Grebeldinger born Sept 24 1886 in Szecsany, Hungary (Serbia now) to Anna Schulz Grebeldinger and Michael Grebeldinger. Other villages mentioned are Szegeo, Temesvar, Tor Srecsany, Austria. Spoke German, Hungarian, "Magyar" . This is a picture that his daughter, my mother-in-law, had of Franz Grebeldinger and his parents. Franz is wearing a uniform and we are interested in what army he was enlisted and when. He came to USA in June 1905. We appreciate any help you can give us about Franz and his family. Thank You, Ed & Diane Budd
Ed, Diane and Bill,Note that the data supplied by Bill, from the Setschan Familienbuch, is somewhat vague on the parents of Michael G and wife, Anna Schulz. There were substantial gaps in the KB data Karl Benz used to write the Setschan FB. I find the marriage entry of Michael in the Dolatz family bookGraebeldinger Michael, son of Franz Grabeldinger and Eva Meng*ca. 1858 Setschanoo 29 Nov 1883 DolatzSchulz Anna, dau of Mathias Schulz and Katharina Ruppert*18 Jun 1864 DolatzObviously someone has made an arithmetic error here. In cases of inexact birth dates as we have for Michael(1858 or 1868) the approximate birth date is arrived at by subtracting the age from the death date. In this case I would think that the 1868 date is correct since it is very rare to find a first marriage where the wife is older than the husband.One now finds the Franz Grebeldinger and Eva Meng family in the Stetschan family book.Grebeldinger Franz, *1834 Kanak +22 Oct 1913 Setschan1oo 14 Jul 1855 Kathreinfeld Meng Eva, dau of Nikolaus Meng and Christina Schneider*13 Aug 1835 Kathreinfeld1 Stefan *1865 Setschan +25 Jul 1915 Setschan2 Nikolaus *27 Dec 1867 Setschan3 Anna Ludmilla *15 Sep 1870 Setschan4 Johann *25 Mar 1874 Setschan2oo 1 Jul 1883 SetschanMassong Franziska, dau of Josef Massong and M A Schubert*1853 Sartscha Michael is missing from the above list of kids. Either he was born somewhere else or there is a gap in the Setschan records. There is a gap in the above list of kids where he would fit nicely in 1868.I have never run across any Banaters from Kanak. According to the Donaushwaebisches Ortsnamenbuch it is located a bit south of Gr Betschkerek. There is no family book for Kanak. One finds the marriage entry in the Kathreinfeld family book which has limited data after 1841.Grablzinger Franz*1825oo 12 Jul 1855Meng Eva*1827 Dave Dreyer On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:08 PM, Bill <senior7038@gmail.com> wrote: 1507 GREBELDINGER, Michael * um 1867 Setschan. † 1945 Lager Setschan. . oo? SCHULZ (SCHULCZ), Anna * um 1869. † 1945 Lager Molidorf. Kinder 1. Barbara * 06.09.1884 Setschan. Tp.: Barbara GRASSL ; Anton MENO . † 30.11.1884 Setschan. 316 2. Anton * 10.08.1885 Setschan. Tp.: Susanna FRIEDRICH ; Anton MENG . † 24.12.1885 Setschan. 3. Franz * 20.09.1886 Setschan HNr. 275. Tp.: Anna DENGEL ; Franz FRIEDRICH. <Quelle D.Dreyer: Franz Grebeldinger 18J nach New York, Via Bre/Bal. Ankunft am 1.06.1905 mit Schiff "Barbarossa".> 4. Anna * 10.10.1888 Setschan HNr. 275. (3066) 5. Jakob * 05.02.1890 Setschan. (1504) 6. Magdalena * 23.06.1891 Setschan HNr. 401. Tp.: Magdale -----Original Message----- From: dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com <dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:17 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Franz Grebeldinger Hi, We are looking for information about Franz Grebeldinger born Sept 24 1886 in Szecsany, Hungary (Serbia now) to Anna Schulz Grebeldinger and Michael Grebeldinger. Other villages mentioned are Szegeo, Temesvar, Tor Srecsany, Austria. Spoke German, Hungarian, "Magyar" . This is a picture that his daughter, my mother-in-law, had of Franz Grebeldinger and his parents. Franz is wearing a uniform and we are interested in what army he was enlisted and when. He came to USA in June 1905. We appreciate any help you can give us about Franz and his family. Thank You, Ed & Diane Budd
Hello Rosina As I also am interested in the write up, I am disappointed that it is only on German. If there is a kind soul, a translation would be really appreciated. Katharine from sunny Delta -----Original Message----- From: Rosina Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:47 AM To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] The Spanish flu Hello, Its good to have the Banat-L online again! Yesterday, 100 yers ago was the first victim of an epidemic registered, that in the end had more deaths than both World Wars together. We know it under the Spanish Flu name. Here is an interesting article shared by Dietger Braun: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html <http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> Greetings from Vancouver Island, Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net
Thank you so much for the information on Franz Grebeldinger's family! It will keep us very busy. It is so helpful. Ed & Diane Budd
I actually thought there was something wrong with my outlook when I went to version 10. Appreciate your work getting it up and running again.........cac -----Original Message----- From: Banat List Admin [mailto:banatmailer@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 7:17 AM To: BANAT List <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [BANAT-L] Banat List Update Hello List Members, It appears that Ancestry / Rootsweb has restored the Banat List mail list service, but they have not yet restored the archives for the list. From what I could see, all members were restored. If you receive this email, then your subscription is working and you should be able to use the List as you did before the update. When the List Archives are restored, I will send out another email. Here is hoping that the service will be more stable and spam resistant! With kind regards, David Preston Banat List Administrator === http://www.banatbooks.com http://www.danube-swabians.org http://www.village-records.org http://www.molidorf.org http://danube-swabians.org/MtAngel/
1507 GREBELDINGER, Michael * um 1867 Setschan. † 1945 Lager Setschan. . oo? SCHULZ (SCHULCZ), Anna * um 1869. † 1945 Lager Molidorf. Kinder 1. Barbara * 06.09.1884 Setschan. Tp.: Barbara GRASSL ; Anton MENO . † 30.11.1884 Setschan. 316 2. Anton * 10.08.1885 Setschan. Tp.: Susanna FRIEDRICH ; Anton MENG . † 24.12.1885 Setschan. 3. Franz * 20.09.1886 Setschan HNr. 275. Tp.: Anna DENGEL ; Franz FRIEDRICH. <Quelle D.Dreyer: Franz Grebeldinger 18J nach New York, Via Bre/Bal. Ankunft am 1.06.1905 mit Schiff "Barbarossa".> 4. Anna * 10.10.1888 Setschan HNr. 275. (3066) 5. Jakob * 05.02.1890 Setschan. (1504) 6. Magdalena * 23.06.1891 Setschan HNr. 401. Tp.: Magdale -----Original Message----- From: dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com <dbudd88@tampabay.rr.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 1:17 PM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Franz Grebeldinger Hi, We are looking for information about Franz Grebeldinger born Sept 24 1886 in Szecsany, Hungary (Serbia now) to Anna Schulz Grebeldinger and Michael Grebeldinger. Other villages mentioned are Szegeo, Temesvar, Tor Srecsany, Austria. Spoke German, Hungarian, "Magyar" . This is a picture that his daughter, my mother-in-law, had of Franz Grebeldinger and his parents. Franz is wearing a uniform and we are interested in what army he was enlisted and when. He came to USA in June 1905. We appreciate any help you can give us about Franz and his family. Thank You, Ed & Diane Budd
Hello Rosina, thanks for sharing! What a story! I am practicing my schlecht Deutsch and I enjoy this "medical thriller". Unfortunately, I do not feel comfortable as I would usually would since I had 3 "flu-like" episodes in this winter season. Pretty eerie to read about the 3 days lasting flu resembling condition that knocked out soldiers in training camps in USA with severe symptoms at the early stages of development of the pathogen ... it is what a lot of people experienced this season in our region. Not that I am implying something but I just feel awkward. :) Really frightening things are that after hundred years, there are still so many unknowns about this pandemic. And the speed of spreading ... unparalleled! This paragraph is like taken out of a script for some disaster movie: "Dann passiert etwas, was Seuchenmediziner bis heute nicht erklären können. Der Erreger kehrt in veränderter Form zurück. Nicht erst im darauffolgenden Winter, wie wir es von der jährlichen Grippe gewohnt sind. Sondern schon im Spätsommer desselben Jahres. Fast könnte man meinen, er habe irgendwo über dem Atlantik tödliche Kräfte gesammelt. Gleich an drei Stellen bricht die Krankheit parallel aus, diesmal mit ungeheurer Wucht. Aus den Hafenstädten Freetown in Sierra Leone, dem amerikanischen Boston und dem französischen Brest laufen wahre Horrormeldungen ein. Binnen kurzem schlägt die zweite Welle der Spanischen Grippe überall zu." Unsettling! Speaking of movies, I could find only one that was based on this catastrophic pandemic event - Spanish Flu: The Forgotten Fallen from 1999. God save us from flu ... and some other things ;) Greetings from Serbia On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 4:47 PM, Rosina <rosinatschmidt@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hello, > > Its good to have the Banat-L online again! > > Yesterday, 100 yers ago was the first victim of an epidemic registered, > that in the end had more deaths than both World Wars together. We know it > under the Spanish Flu name. > > Here is an interesting article shared by Dietger Braun: > > http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie- > eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html < > http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie- > eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> > > Greetings from Vancouver Island, > > Rosina T. Schmidt > www.hrastovac.net > > > > > -- *Stasa Cvetkovic* *http://www.synergia.rs/ <http://www.synergia.rs/>* *Tel/fax: +381 21 553 265* *Mobile: +381 62 598 517* *Novi Sad, Serbia* *Visit our webpage <http://www.synergia.rs/>*
Hi, We are looking for information about Franz Grebeldinger born Sept 24 1886 in Szecsany, Hungary (Serbia now) to Anna Schulz Grebeldinger and Michael Grebeldinger. Other villages mentioned are Szegeo, Temesvar, Tor Srecsany, Austria. Spoke German, Hungarian, "Magyar" . This is a picture that his daughter, my mother-in-law, had of Franz Grebeldinger and his parents. Franz is wearing a uniform and we are interested in what army he was enlisted and when. He came to USA in June 1905. We appreciate any help you can give us about Franz and his family. Thank You, Ed & Diane Budd
Hello, Its good to have the Banat-L online again! Yesterday, 100 yers ago was the first victim of an epidemic registered, that in the end had more deaths than both World Wars together. We know it under the Spanish Flu name. Here is an interesting article shared by Dietger Braun: http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html <http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wissen/spanische-grippe-wie-eine-epidemie-gesellschaften-veraenderte-15479161.html> Greetings from Vancouver Island, Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net
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On Saturday, January 20, 2018 7:53 AM, Banat List Admin <banatmailer@gmail.com> wrote: This is a post from John Gruber (john.gruber@sympatico.ca <mailto:john.gruber@sympatico.ca>) which was recently posted to the List with an empty body. Below is the missing text. =====> I'm stuck on the following 4 events. As said below, no records of these events were found in 'obvious' FBs or KBs for the locations mentioned. Maybe they're in filials of these locations, or maybe some events like the marriages were civil? Birth/baptism of my GGF Michael Gruber b. about 1825, possibly from the Ittebe or Pardan areas. He's not in the Pardan FB of church index. Local history claims he was from Alsace, but he was too young for those mid 1700s migrations to Hungary, as in the Stader books; maybe they meant his ancestors were from there? Marriage of my GGPs Michael Gruber (as above), to Anna Wagner b. 1841 in Pardan. Marriage possibly in the late 1860s in Pardan, after which, and where, they had most of their kids. Their marriage isn't in the Pardan FB or church index since marriages apparently only go to 1835. They died in Georgeshausen in 1901 and 1902. Marriage of my GPs Anton Gruber (last kid of my above GGPs) b. 1881 in Georgeshausen, to Eva Heinrich b. 1881 in Setschanfeld. Local history claims they married in 1905, one would think in the Georgeshausen/Setschanfeld/Gross Gaj/Zichydorf area, but their marriage isn't in the Gross Gaj/Zichydorf FBs or KBs. I have what looks like a studio photo of them taken in then Versecz, likely about the time they married in 1905, but their marriage isn't found there either. They emigrated as married to Canada in 1906 with no kids. Marriage of Michael Gruber (jr., another son of my above GGPs) b. 1875 in Pardan, to Margaretha Schmidt b. 1877 in Setschan. They likely married in about the late 1890s before emigrating as married to Canada in 1903 with no kids. The Setchan FB mentions a questionable marriage (oo?) of Margaretha but it doesn't say to who, when or where. There's also an infant death Anna (b. 1898, d. 1899) in Setschan. Maybe Anna was illegitimate, so the father isn't listed? Any help/guidance on these events is appreciated. Thx ... John. <==== As a reminder to all List members: Please, send your posts as Plain Text, not “Rich Text” or copy/pasted from a Word or other program that formats text. Ancestry has pre-configured the servers to reject HTML-formatted or Word formatted text to avoid possible spam or spreading embedded viruses. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Roll Call 2018 Kenishoff, Hungary: Baszt Zabran, near Lipova: Baszt, Schiht, Luchaub Herneacova, Romania: Baszt Triebswetter: (I have Lothar Renard's volumes) Oberding/Oberton/Oberten/Obertin, Noel, Dama/Damas/Thoma, Schreiber, Marcaire, Vettier, Eichler, Barthelmy, Pecht Thank you, Christine Lines Sent from my iPhone
Would anyone please look in the family books of Hatzfeld, Gross Sankt Nicholaus, and Perjamosch for the birth of Anna "Amy" Piller, born 9 October 1872, daughter of Jakob Piller and his wife Eva Kulburg? Thank you. Darrel Hockley Regina, SK, Canada