Hello Danube Swabians, As so many of you wrote, this year's Mt. Angel Treffen was not only gemuetlich but inspirational as well. What could we do better next time around? As Dieter Howald suggested, " there were a few camp survivors in the assembly, and certainly a number of Fluechtlinge who remembered being evicted and driven from their homes and property, then endured the horrific trek to Germany, to a country that could least afford them and did not want them anyway. These individuals are still with us today, but aging fast, they are an invaluable resource to a group like yours and in my opinion should have been given the opportunity to speak to the assembly on their experiences, on the memories they still harbour in their hearts." So please, tell us your stories. On these lists or send your experiences directly to my above address. We not only would like to know, we need to know! Hope to hear from you soon, Rosina www.hrastovac.net

I should say Anna Rollinger's baptism record is not included in these records. The births of 6 of their children are. -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Dreyer Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM To: Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim Dave; Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved to create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf family book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca 1834 and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know that her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are a bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your own conclusions. The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus but if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Elisenheim > Hello Dave: > I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does > this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That > is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research > trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible hometown > for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's > hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? > Sincerely, > Dave Weinfurtner > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Dave and Dave, Kriva Bara's (Ujfalu) early records (when Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) Horvath's children were born are included in the Gross Gaj parish records and can be obtained from Glenn Schwartz. These records begin in 1832, but Anna Rollinger is not included in these records. There is no indication that I have come across on any of the records for their children that give any indication where Anna was born. Amy -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Dave Dreyer Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM To: Banat List Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim Dave; Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved to create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf family book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca 1834 and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know that her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are a bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your own conclusions. The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus but if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Elisenheim > Hello Dave: > I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does > this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That > is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research > trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible hometown > for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's > hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? > Sincerely, > Dave Weinfurtner > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

 Hi,      I was wondering if anyone on the list has ever seen this book.  It has lists of settlers, and might be of interest to researchers.  I have wondered if my own Teufel/Teuffel/Teifel ancestor started his journey to the Banat from Regensburg. I have not been able to discover anything else about the book other than what was on the website below. Cathy Teufel O'Neill – Beck Karl: "Die Donauschwaben und Regensburg"- Regensburg - Sammelstelle der Auswanderer nach S-Europa und Russland und Salzburger Emigranten im 18. und frühen 19. Jh., Ereignisse, Fremde und Durchwanderer in Regensburg, Bd.I: Regensburg - Sammelstelle der Auswanderer nach SO-Europa und Russland und Salzburger Emigranten im 18. und frühen 19. Jh., Bd. II: Ereignisse, Fremde und Durchwanderer in Regensburg   - Karl Beck: "The Danube Swabians and Regensburg - Regensburg - collection of emigrants to Europe and Russia, and S-Salzburg emigrants in the 18th and early 19 Century, events, strangers, and by hikers in Regensburg, Bd.I: Regensburg - collection of emigrants to SE Europe and Russia, and Salzburg emigrants in the 18th and early 19 Century, Volume II: events, strangers, and by hikers in Regensburg   www.ungarndeutsche.de/de/cms/index.php?page...nach...Listen Read phonetically  

Although I was not at the strudel making class (went to the Oktoberfest), I was one of the lucky ones who had the pleasure of sampling Leah's strudels - pulled strudel with a variety of fillings, as well as the poppy seed strudel, all delicious. Thank you so much, Leah. I found this interesting website with several videos on making pulled strudel (German: "Gezogene Strudel" or "Ziehstrudel"). Scroll down just a bit, the ladies speak Hungarian, but there are German and English captions. There is also a video of a master baker - is he ever fast! http://klostersuppe-mit-haube.blogspot.com/2009_05_01_archive.html The first 3-part video shows an 88-year old Hungarian lady, she reminds me so much of my mother as she kneaded and pulled out the dough - take note of her kneading method. I would have to help her with the pulling, she on one side of the table and I on the other. There are more strudel videos, each with a slightly different method. You will also note that there are two ways of adding the filling: either spreading it all over the dough or placing it in a strip along one long edge. My mother put her filling along one edge, she insisted that spreading it all over made the dough soggy Happy baking, Rose Vetter in Richmond, BC On 25 September 2010 09:58, Rosina T Schmidt <rosinats@shaw.ca> wrote: > > Hello Strudel Makers Hopefuls, > > If you have not discovered it yet, David Preston filmed Leah Ott's Strudel > class (and slides), please see: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm. > > As Marilyn writes below, watching the lovely presented video makes not only > your mouth water, but makes you eager to bake your own Strudel also. > > Thanks, David! > > Rosina > P.S. am making apple Strudel right now.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marilyn > > > > Rosina and David -- I once again tried to view the video and lo and behold, > I finally got to watch the entire baking session. You're right. I feel > like today will be the day that I attempt to copy exactly what Leah was > doing. It brought back such wonderful memories of watching my grandma make > strudels -- also with the same cloth each time -- and always on the same > kitchen table. Thank you so much for not only the entire "convention", but > also for the taping of the individual speeches. I made it a point to watch > the entire session on my computer. > > Marilyn Sensendorf > San Jose, CA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Strudel Makers Hopefuls, If you have not discovered it yet, David Preston filmed Leah Ott's Strudel class (and slides), please see: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm. As Marilyn writes below, watching the lovely presented video makes not only your mouth water, but makes you eager to bake your own Strudel also. Thanks, David! Rosina P.S. am making apple Strudel right now.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Rosina and David -- I once again tried to view the video and lo and behold, I finally got to watch the entire baking session. You're right. I feel like today will be the day that I attempt to copy exactly what Leah was doing. It brought back such wonderful memories of watching my grandma make strudels -- also with the same cloth each time -- and always on the same kitchen table. Thank you so much for not only the entire "convention", but also for the taping of the individual speeches. I made it a point to watch the entire session on my computer. Marilyn Sensendorf San Jose, CA

Dave; Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved to create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf family book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca 1834 and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know that her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are a bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your own conclusions. The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus but if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Elisenheim > Hello Dave: > I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does > this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That > is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research > trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible hometown > for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's > hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? > Sincerely, > Dave Weinfurtner >

Marvin; Both Peter Winandi and Rose Himmel are to be found in the Ujwar family book by Josef Kuhn. Peter is the son of Jakob Winandi and Anna Lukasz and Kuhn suggests that the family came from Gertianosch. Rosalia Himmel, was the daughter of Leopold Himmel and Anna Schmid. Her brother Mathias auswandered to Wyandotte MI in 1907. The Himmel family came to Ujwar from D Etschka. The Ujwar family book is out of print but the D Etschka family book, although also out of print, is available on CD. See Banatbooks.com. You can also get the Ujwar church books on microfilm from the FHL in Salt Lake. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marvin Vinande" <mvinande@yahoo.com> To: <banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:06 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Peter Winandi, Uivar, Romania > Greetings, > My cousin and I are traveling to Uivar, Romania, in Oct. We would > appreciate any information about our family. We have information from the > ship's > passenger list of our grandparent's trip to America, but otherwise we can > find > no further information. It is as though they did not exist. Peter was > born May > 28, l885, in Uivar. We have discovered several spellings for our > surname--including "Vinande" which we are now known by. > > Peter married Rose Himmel who was born January 27, l884. Her > father, > Leopold Himmel, was reported to have been a public official in Uivar. > I would appreciate any information but would especially be > interested in > Peter's family. > > Many thanks, > Marvin > Vinande Grosse Pointe, MI > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Greetings, My cousin and I are traveling to Uivar, Romania, in Oct. We would appreciate any information about our family. We have information from the ship's passenger list of our grandparent's trip to America, but otherwise we can find no further information. It is as though they did not exist. Peter was born May 28, l885, in Uivar. We have discovered several spellings for our surname--including "Vinande" which we are now known by. Peter married Rose Himmel who was born January 27, l884. Her father, Leopold Himmel, was reported to have been a public official in Uivar. I would appreciate any information but would especially be interested in Peter's family. Many thanks, Marvin Vinande Grosse Pointe, MI

I must say -- I cannot thank you enough for putting this online. Travelling to Mt. Angel is out of the question for me now ..... but it is wonderful to see and listen to those who have researched before me. My family came from Glogowatz, Hungary -- before that Alsace-Lorraine and Sankt Anna. I am currently the Village Coordinator for Glogowatz and would be happy to help anyone who wishes to research family who was born in this village. I have only listened to a few of the videos .... but thank you thank you for putting them line. Susan Williams nee Sander ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosina T Schmidt" <rosinats@shaw.ca> To: "DS-Mt.Angel" <MtAngel@heroldtech.com>; <Banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:26 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Mt Angel Treffen page is live > > Good Morning! > > GREAT NEWS from our DAVE PRESTON! > > Thanks to his filming the Mt. Angel presentations he cleverly also put > those > videos live on internet. > > Thats wonderful, Dave! Our warmest thanks! - Rosina > > > Dave Preston wrote: > OK, it is done! > > Go to: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm to see the page. > > I have also updated the link on the home page of the > http://www.banatbooks.com website. > > The videos work best with any "high speed" connection (DSL, Cable), and I > have also tested the videos with a cellular connection. > > You need Adobe Flash 10 to see the videos. If Flash is not installed, or > you > have an older version, a message will tell you to install / upgrade to the > latest version along with a link to the update. > > Enjoy! > > David= > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all, Not long ago one of our DS relatives died. Among her effects were hundreds of unlabeled photos of people we don't recognize. I've scanned a first batch and uploaded them to http://picasaweb.google.com/marceschulz/Parison# If you have any connection to the following families, please take a look and let me know if you recognize anyone. Schuetz /Schulz - Bogarosch Parison/Parisson -- Peszak, Varjas Regeis - Dalj Hoekl/Hockl/Hokl - Peszak All ended up in either Philadelphia, Pittsburgh or Butler, PA Thanks for looking! We'd like to find good homes for these photos. I'll be posting more photos as I get to them. Marce Schulz in Pittsburgh

Susan, All the thanks go to DAVID PRESTON who made it possible! We are delighted that he found us! Rosina www.hrastovac.net >I must say -- I cannot thank you enough for putting this online. Travelling >to Mt. Angel is out of the question for me now ..... but it is wonderful to >see and listen to those who have researched before me. > > My family came from Glogowatz, Hungary -- before that Alsace-Lorraine and > Sankt Anna. I am currently the Village Coordinator for Glogowatz and > would be happy to help anyone who wishes to research family who was born > in this village. > > I have only listened to a few of the videos .... but thank you thank you > for putting them line. Susan Williams nee Sander >> >> Go to: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm to see the page. >> >> I have also updated the link on the home page of the >> http://www.banatbooks.com website. >> >> The videos work best with any "high speed" connection (DSL, Cable), and I >> have also tested the videos with a cellular connection. >> >> You need Adobe Flash 10 to see the videos. If Flash is not installed, or >> you >> have an older version, a message will tell you to install / upgrade to >> the >> latest version along with a link to the update. >> >> Enjoy! >> >> David=

Good Morning! GREAT NEWS from our DAVE PRESTON! Thanks to his filming the Mt. Angel presentations he cleverly also put those videos live on internet. Thats wonderful, Dave! Our warmest thanks! - Rosina Dave Preston wrote: OK, it is done! Go to: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm to see the page. I have also updated the link on the home page of the http://www.banatbooks.com website. The videos work best with any "high speed" connection (DSL, Cable), and I have also tested the videos with a cellular connection. You need Adobe Flash 10 to see the videos. If Flash is not installed, or you have an older version, a message will tell you to install / upgrade to the latest version along with a link to the update. Enjoy! David=

Hello Danube Swabian Researches, For those of you who wish to read Henry Fischer's excellent presentation "A Watershed in Danube Swabian History" at the recent Mt. Angel Treffen, you can do so by going to www.hrastovac.net via the Bulletin Board. Henry once again in his superb way led us into ins and outs of those for us Donauschwaben so crucial historical events. You will be able to 'see' Henry's presentation as well in a day or two.... Warm greetings, Rosina www.hrastovac.net

It's Elgin, Illinois. I must have missed this obit when it was originally published Judy Elgin, IL On 9/22/10 2:25 PM, Wilmar Lampl wrote: > pls be specific. Remember there is also an Elgin, North Dakota > > > c > > > > -----Original Message----- > From:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of VW > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM > To:banat@rootsweb.com > Subject: [BANAT-L] Engelmann from Romania-=obit Chicago area > > LORENZ ENGELMANN | Visit Guest > Book<http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=4578580196644&cid=full> > > > Lorenz Engelmann of Elgin The funeral service for Lorenz Engelmann, 83, will > be held at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, Sept. 7, at St. John's Lutheran Church, 115 > N. Spring St., Elgin. Burial will follow in Bluff City Cemetery, Elgin. > Visitation will be from 3 to 8 p.m. Monday, in the Laird Funeral Home, 310 > S. State St., Elgin, and from 9:30 a.m. until the time of the service on > Tuesday at the church. Born June 17, 1927, in Romania, the son of Anton and > Anna (nee Stoll) Engelmann, he passed away Thursday, Sept. 2, 2010, at > Provena St. Joseph Hospital, Elgin. Lorenz had a true passion for life > centered from his endearing love for his wife of 61 years, Rose. Ota, as > many people knew him by, always put his family first and spent many days > entertaining, telling colorful stories and mostly creating wonderful, > lifelong memories for all. He was a tremendously hardworking man with a > contagious spirit that touched so many. He established Town& Country > Gardens floral shop in 1962, currently run by his son and grandson. Lorenz > loved gardening and the outdoors. There wasn't a day that went by, rain, > shine or snow, that kept him from "working and having fun." Ota will always > and forever be remembered by his family and loved ones. He is survived by > his loving wife, Rose, to whom he was married on Jan. 21, 1949, in Austria; > children, Anton F. "Andy" (Laurel) Engelmann of Huntley and Rosina E. > Engelmann of Huntley; grandchildren, Amy (Glenn) Burchett of Elgin, Marianne > (Ryan) Brevard of Hood River, Ore. and Anton (Elizabeth) Engelmann of South > Elgin; great-grandchildren, Gracie and Henry Engelmann, Athelea Brevard and > Olivia Burchett; and sister, Katie Engelmann of Romania. He was preceded in > death by his parents, and several brothers and sisters. Memorials may be > given to St. John's Lutheran Church. For information, call 847-741-800 or to > leave an online condolence, please visitwww.lairdfamilyfuneralservices.com. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email toBANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

LORENZ ENGELMANN | Visit Guest Book<http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=4578580196644&cid=full> Lorenz Engelmann of Elgin The funeral service for Lorenz Engelmann, 83, will be held at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, Sept. 7, at St. John's Lutheran Church, 115 N. Spring St., Elgin. Burial will follow in Bluff City Cemetery, Elgin. Visitation will be from 3 to 8 p.m. Monday, in the Laird Funeral Home, 310 S. State St., Elgin, and from 9:30 a.m. until the time of the service on Tuesday at the church. Born June 17, 1927, in Romania, the son of Anton and Anna (nee Stoll) Engelmann, he passed away Thursday, Sept. 2, 2010, at Provena St. Joseph Hospital, Elgin. Lorenz had a true passion for life centered from his endearing love for his wife of 61 years, Rose. Ota, as many people knew him by, always put his family first and spent many days entertaining, telling colorful stories and mostly creating wonderful, lifelong memories for all. He was a tremendously hardworking man with a contagious spirit that touched so many. He established Town & Country Gardens floral shop in 1962, currently run by his son and grandson. Lorenz loved gardening and the outdoors. There wasn't a day that went by, rain, shine or snow, that kept him from "working and having fun." Ota will always and forever be remembered by his family and loved ones. He is survived by his loving wife, Rose, to whom he was married on Jan. 21, 1949, in Austria; children, Anton F. "Andy" (Laurel) Engelmann of Huntley and Rosina E. Engelmann of Huntley; grandchildren, Amy (Glenn) Burchett of Elgin, Marianne (Ryan) Brevard of Hood River, Ore. and Anton (Elizabeth) Engelmann of South Elgin; great-grandchildren, Gracie and Henry Engelmann, Athelea Brevard and Olivia Burchett; and sister, Katie Engelmann of Romania. He was preceded in death by his parents, and several brothers and sisters. Memorials may be given to St. John's Lutheran Church. For information, call 847-741-800 or to leave an online condolence, please visit www.lairdfamilyfuneralservices.com.

pls be specific. Remember there is also an Elgin, North Dakota c -----Original Message----- From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of VW Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 11:02 AM To: banat@rootsweb.com Subject: [BANAT-L] Engelmann from Romania-=obit Chicago area LORENZ ENGELMANN | Visit Guest Book<http://www.legacy.com/gb2/default.aspx?bookid=4578580196644&cid=full> Lorenz Engelmann of Elgin The funeral service for Lorenz Engelmann, 83, will be held at 10:30 a.m. Tuesday, Sept. 7, at St. John's Lutheran Church, 115 N. Spring St., Elgin. Burial will follow in Bluff City Cemetery, Elgin. Visitation will be from 3 to 8 p.m. Monday, in the Laird Funeral Home, 310 S. State St., Elgin, and from 9:30 a.m. until the time of the service on Tuesday at the church. Born June 17, 1927, in Romania, the son of Anton and Anna (nee Stoll) Engelmann, he passed away Thursday, Sept. 2, 2010, at Provena St. Joseph Hospital, Elgin. Lorenz had a true passion for life centered from his endearing love for his wife of 61 years, Rose. Ota, as many people knew him by, always put his family first and spent many days entertaining, telling colorful stories and mostly creating wonderful, lifelong memories for all. He was a tremendously hardworking man with a contagious spirit that touched so many. He established Town & Country Gardens floral shop in 1962, currently run by his son and grandson. Lorenz loved gardening and the outdoors. There wasn't a day that went by, rain, shine or snow, that kept him from "working and having fun." Ota will always and forever be remembered by his family and loved ones. He is survived by his loving wife, Rose, to whom he was married on Jan. 21, 1949, in Austria; children, Anton F. "Andy" (Laurel) Engelmann of Huntley and Rosina E. Engelmann of Huntley; grandchildren, Amy (Glenn) Burchett of Elgin, Marianne (Ryan) Brevard of Hood River, Ore. and Anton (Elizabeth) Engelmann of South Elgin; great-grandchildren, Gracie and Henry Engelmann, Athelea Brevard and Olivia Burchett; and sister, Katie Engelmann of Romania. He was preceded in death by his parents, and several brothers and sisters. Memorials may be given to St. John's Lutheran Church. For information, call 847-741-800 or to leave an online condolence, please visit www.lairdfamilyfuneralservices.com. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mary Anna; Your data fits like a glove with that in the Kl Betschkerek by Ditmar Giel. One can track your family back through the generations in the book to the orgional settlers to Kl Betschkerek. The family came orgionally from Geblingen/Lothringen and were registered in passing through Vienna in 1784. Once the book is printed there is no way to modify it. The best you can do is contact the author with your data in the event that the book is released as a CD after the printed version goes out of print. You can order the book from the AKdFF-----see their website where you can send a message directly to order. Klemenz Michael, son of Michael Klemenz and Katharina Krutsch oo 1 Jun 1862 Kl Betschkerek Kuehn Theresia, dau of Nikolaus Kuehn and Magdalena Goetz Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & MaryAnn Young" <rm.young@sasktel.net> To: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Klemenz history from Banat > How does one get a hold of the Kl Betschkerek family book? > > I have some information that I would like to add to an information book > like that. > > I have written a book, Horizon and Beyond, (546 pages) that has all the > Klemenz information from Michael and Theresia (Kuhn) Klemenz from the time > they came to Canada. He was born at Kl Betschkerek July 31, 1863 and > died in Regina, Saskatchewan, July 22, 1950. She was born June 25, 1870 > at Sacalaz/Szakalhaza and died October 09, 1959 in Regina, Saskatchewan. > After coming to Canada they lived at Indian Head, Horizon and Regina all > in Saskatchewan, Canada. > > Their children born in Kl Betschkerek: > Michael (1890) > Mary (1892) > Henry (1894) > Casper (1898) > Frank (1901) > Barbara (1903) > Anna (1905) > Theresia > > Their were two sons born and died in Kl Betschkerek > Peter (1895) > Niholaus (1897) > > Sons born after they came to Canada 1906: > Nickolas (1908) > Joseph (1910) > > Thank you for your reply. > > Many thanks > MaryAnn > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > To: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 7:18 AM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Klemenz history from Banat > > >> Mary Ann; >> Did you ever get a reply to your query? >> There are extended families of Klemenz in the Kl Betschkerek family book >> but >> because the same given names tend to be repeated over and over it is not >> possible to identify your guys from the data you give. One needs some >> birth >> dates or parents names to make a selection. >> Dave Dreyer >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Robert & MaryAnn Young" <rm.young@sasktel.net> >> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:43 AM >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Klemenz history from Banat >> >> >>> Would anyone that has access to the Banat Familienbuch please check to >>> see >>> if there are any Michael or John "Klemenz" families listed from >>> Kleinbetschkerek/Kisbecskerck today the name is Becicherecu Mic in >>> Romania? The Klemenz family moved to Canada in 1905-6 and settled in >>> Indian Head, Saskatchewan. >>> >>> Any assistance would be most appreciated. Thanks. >>> >>> MA >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes >>> in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > >

Mary Ann; Did you ever get a reply to your query? There are extended families of Klemenz in the Kl Betschkerek family book but because the same given names tend to be repeated over and over it is not possible to identify your guys from the data you give. One needs some birth dates or parents names to make a selection. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & MaryAnn Young" <rm.young@sasktel.net> To: <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 10:43 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] Klemenz history from Banat > Would anyone that has access to the Banat Familienbuch please check to see > if there are any Michael or John "Klemenz" families listed from > Kleinbetschkerek/Kisbecskerck today the name is Becicherecu Mic in > Romania? The Klemenz family moved to Canada in 1905-6 and settled in > Indian Head, Saskatchewan. > > Any assistance would be most appreciated. Thanks. > > MA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

Debbie - I have combed through Ruskodorf records at the local LDS Family History Library.  The records start at approx 1806 and stop at 1840 for births & deaths and 1853 for marriages.  Unfortunately the name Nothof is not listed in indexes for births, deaths, or marriages occuring up in that time period in the towm of Ruskodorf.  Perhaps the family moved to Ruskodorf from another town after that time.  Hope this helps guide your search.  The Banat List is a wonderful resource with so many folks giving their time to help one another.  I know I am indebted! Theresa Krutsch  > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:41:51 -0700 > From: "Dave Dreyer" > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Nothof in Rustodorf > To: > Cc: Banat List > Message-ID: <8A7366295E7148269303B8F04B5A471C@D99J3Q21> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Debbie; > Firstly I concur with John Walter. When I got your message the Ostern family book was the first place I looked to see if I could find your guys. > Your great grandmother was an ethnic German living in Hungary. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DaJoDane@aol.com > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2010 7:13 PM > Subject: Re: Nothof family help? > > > > Thank you for your help Dave. I have joined the Banat list as of last week. > > Forgive my ignorance, I have tried looking on the internet for maps from 1900 > because I was always told Great-Grandma was from Germany, yet any info > I am receiving says she was from Hungary? In thinking I am of German descent maybe I am not and I am Hungarian? Just curious. > > Thank you, > > Debbie > > > In a message dated 9/20/2010 6:40:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ddreyer@pacbell.net writes: > Debbie; > Elisabeth and Magdalena came on the ship Koeln from Bremen to Baltimore arriving 1 Oct 1906. They were from Ruskodorf and their destination was to an uncle, Christof Sebastian in Chiago. That is the easy part. No one has the Ruskodorf church books(KBs)----that I know of. That means that the KBs will have to be consulted in what ever archives they are deposited in-----probably Gr Kikinda. This would require a trip to the archives or contact a researcher in Serbia to do it for a fee. > If you want to follow the latter option I can recomend a lady who lives in Gr Kikinda. She is frequently used by Banat List subscribers. Steve has probably recomended that you subscribe to the Banat List. If not, you should consider it. It is possible that you can find other Ruskodorf researchers on the list. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: DaJoDane@aol.com > To: ddreyer@pacbell.net > Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:17 PM > Subject: Nothof family help? > > > > Hello Dave, > > I am trying to research my family. I have gone as far back as my Great-Grandmother, Magdalena Nothof b: Aug. 9th 1887 - d: Oct. 14th, 1978 from Hungary coming by boat into America via Maryland. She came with her sister, Elizabeth. > > Their older brother, Anton, ( Born: May 3rd, 1884),came separately. > > Steve Herold said you might be able to help me. > > > Can you help at all? > > Thank you, > > Debbie >