Thank you Rosina, Ray and all the organizers and speakers for a wonderful and moving 3 days. We met memorable folks and heard memoralble stories. All the food was great too. Dick & Ellie Barak St Francis, MN

Martha, Thanks for your response. However ----- I had already been to the Genea Net site - and, does eveyone realize that the lists on that site are not the same as in the familienbuch???? I have several copies of other names from the Lenauheim book and when I've compared the names on Genea Net, many of them are not even listed!!! That is why I ask again, PLEASE will someone with a Lenauheim book look up Susanna Allar for me? Thanks, Judy On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Martha Wojtowicz wrote: > Perhaps this site will help you. Good luck! > Martha (Gaetz) Wojtowicz > > http://www.online-ofb.de/famlist.php?ofb=lenauheim&b=A&lang=de > > ALLAR, Albert * 03.03.1817 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 10.03.1883 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Aloysia * 06.01.1822 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > 28.03.1826 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Anna * 1813, + 25.07.1836 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Anna * 23.02.1821 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 21.03.1882 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Anna * 19.01.1834 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 26.03.1835 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Anna * 1848, + 05.02.1848 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Anna Katharina ALLAR, Anna Maria * 09.06.1809 in Lenauheim, > Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Anna Maria * 10.02.1833 in Lenauheim, Banat, > Rumänien, + 19.03.1835 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Anton ALLAR, Barbara * 1847, + 11.06.1848 in Lenauheim, Banat, > Rumänien > ALLAR, Bernhard * 14.08.1830 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > 15.08.1830 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Caroline ALLAR, Christina * 05.06.1826 in Lenauheim, Banat, > Rumänien ALLAR, Elisabeth * 05.12.1825 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Elisabeth * 1847, + 04.02.1847 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Franz * 06.02.1824 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 17.04.1842 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Franz * 1836 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 23.04.1837 in > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Georg * 04.06.1829 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 06.07.1916 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Georg * 03.11.1829 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > Heinrich ALLAR, Heinrich * 30.04.1776 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > 06.08.1778 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Heinrich * 26.02.1779 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + > 17.09.1808 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Johann ALLAR, Johann ALLAR, Johann * 1760, + 18.09.1810 in > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Johann * 23.01.1785 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 20.07.1836 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Johann * 18.10.1803 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 04.03.1805 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Johann * 05.06.1810 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 01.03.1870 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Johann * 29.07.1810 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Johann > * 18.01.1813 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Johann Baptist * > 23.08.1802 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 11.11.1802 in Lenauheim, > Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Josef * 13.03.1809 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Karl * > 08.11.1818 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Katharina ALLAR, > Katharina ALLAR, Katharina ALLAR, Katharina * 08.04.1814 in Lenauheim, > Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Magdalena ALLAR, Magdalena * 10.04.1806 in > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 01.08.1836 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, > Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha ALLAR, Margaretha * 08.11.1808 in > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 06.01.1809 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Margaretha * 20.08.1812 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > Margaretha * 24.10.1818 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 05.11.1823 in > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Margaretha * 1845 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 01.10.1845 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Mathias * 1808, + 09.01.1809 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Mathias * 24.10.1808 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > Michael ALLAR, Nikolaus ALLAR, Peter * 11.02.1771 in Lenauheim, Banat, > Rumänien, + 26.02.1771 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Peter * 17.11.1773 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 12.07.1775 > in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Peter * 17.12.1787 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, Peter * > 1846, + 30.05.1848 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Philipp * 23.12.1831 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien ALLAR, > Susanna * 28.07.1823 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien, + 13.11.1835 in > Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > ALLAR, Susanna * 30.11.1834 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > > .................................................................................................................................................................................... > ..and clicking on Susanna ALLAR brings this up: > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Susanna ALLAR * 30.11.1834 in Lenauheim, Banat, Rumänien > Bemerkungen:(notes) > Konfession: rk > Ehegatten (spouses) Kinder (children) Kein > Ehegatte gefunden! > (No spouse found!) Keine Kinder gefunden! > (No children found!) Eltern (parents) Geschwister > (siblings) Vater: > (father) Anton ALLAR > Keine Geschwister gefunden! > (No siblings found!) Mutter: > (mother) Christina WIRTH > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Quellen:(sources) > letzte Änderung: 17.01.2008 > > .................................................................................................................................................................................... > -------------------------------------------------- > From: <judithk@charter.net> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 10:47 PM > To: <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Please, I need a favor! > >> >> Can someone with a Lenauheim familienbuch please check for a Susanna >> Allar (need her parents' names)? Thank you, Judy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jerry, The Modosch FB covers 1781-1854 for B/D, and only up to 1829 for Marriages. Unfortunately, there are no Remillongs listed during that time frame. Good luck, Bill In a message dated 9/27/2010 4:27:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jerrymandering@sbcglobal.net writes: Greetings Banat List Members, Thank you to everyone who has helped me already. I am looking for a needle in a haystack and need your help. The Modosch FB is out of print. Would someone who has it please send me a copy of any and all "Remillong" families listed there? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. For reference, my ancestors include Remillong, Bruck, Herberholz, Parison, Lefor, Mueller, Stumpf and Madler. Sincerely, Jerry Remillong ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Danube Swabian Researchers, Mt. Angel's presentation of the most tragic chapter of our Donauschwaben tragedy, "Our lost Donauschwaben Children" is now online at www.hrastovac.net and can be found via the Bulletin Board. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Hello Kat, I suggest you do a google search on this spelling: Tschestereg. Once you do this Google Search follow the links. I did .... and found that there is a Family Book in the words for Tschertereg. Keep in touch .... and feel free to ask any questions regarding these links. Hopefully, at some point you will find the information you desire ... I know the feeling. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kat Lang" <maaglang@fuse.net> To: <judithk@charter.net>; <Banat-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Please, Tschesterek information!! > > Dear List: > > I am looking for information on a family from Tschesterek. I understand > the > village no longer exists, but I am hoping records might exist somewhere. > > Seeking information on family Roemer. > > Peter Roemer, born @1880's. Father was Christian Roemer, believe mother's > maiden name was Graf. > I would like dates on these people and related if anyone knows where to > find > it! > > Many thanks. Kat Lang > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I'm searching for information of ENGELMANN, Anton b 1860's emig to US 1902 Wife-Margaretha LAUT emig 1903 Son Philip 1903 ENGELMANN, Elis/zabeth m Anton STEMPER 1891/93 daughter Elis/zabeth Thanks, Barb Hilderson

Greetings Banat List Members, Thank you to everyone who has helped me already. I am looking for a needle in a haystack and need your help. The Modosch FB is out of print. Would someone who has it please send me a copy of any and all "Remillong" families listed there? Your assistance would be greatly appreciated. For reference, my ancestors include Remillong, Bruck, Herberholz, Parison, Lefor, Mueller, Stumpf and Madler. Sincerely, Jerry Remillong

Dear List: I am looking for information on a family from Tschesterek. I understand the village no longer exists, but I am hoping records might exist somewhere. Seeking information on family Roemer. Peter Roemer, born @1880's. Father was Christian Roemer, believe mother's maiden name was Graf. I would like dates on these people and related if anyone knows where to find it! Many thanks. Kat Lang

Dave; There are no Rollinger entries in the D Stamora family book. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> To: <BANAT@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 11:56 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] D. Stamora > Hello: > Can someone do a lookup in the D. Stamora Familienbuch for Anna Rollinger > supposedly born 15 Jan. 1834? > I would appreciate any help. > Dave Weinfurtner > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message >

I might have missed it but is there a written recipe for the strudel made in the video class. I remember making it with my mother as a child. The last time I helped make apple strudel was in the afternoon after my grandmothers funeral when I was 12. A couple of years ago one of my cousins sent me a copy of the picture made that day of myself with my aunts pulling the dough on the kitchen table. I must confess I enjoyed making it more than eating it. Also, in the video someone asked her what type of flour she was using and I couldn't make out the answer. I did hear her say it has more gluten in it. Would that be pastry flour? Sheila(Kirschenheiter, Schutz, Orso) -----Original Message----- From: Rosina T Schmidt <rosinats@shaw.ca> To: Banat <Banat@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 12:58 pm Subject: [BANAT-L] Mt. Angel Treffen Strudel video Hello Strudel Makers Hopefuls, If you have not discovered it yet, David Preston filmed Leah Ott's Strudel class (and slides), please see: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm. As Marilyn writes below, watching the lovely presented video makes not only your mouth water, but makes you eager to bake your own Strudel also. Thanks, David! Rosina P.S. am making apple Strudel right now.... ----- Original Message ----- From: Marilyn Rosina and David -- I once again tried to view the video and lo and behold, I finally got to watch the entire baking session. You're right. I feel like today will be the day that I attempt to copy exactly what Leah was doing. It brought back such wonderful memories of watching my grandma make strudels -- also with the same cloth each time -- and always on the same kitchen table. Thank you so much for not only the entire "convention", but also for the taping of the individual speeches. I made it a point to watch the entire session on my computer. Marilyn Sensendorf San Jose, CA ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello: Can someone do a lookup in the D. Stamora Familienbuch for Anna Rollinger supposedly born 15 Jan. 1834? I would appreciate any help. Dave Weinfurtner

The recipes for Leah's strudel dough and the fillings are on the banatbooks.com web site. Go to the Treffen page where you viewed the video. In the list of links under Friday's date, you will see "Strudel Recipes". Leah uses Bread flour, since it has more gluten than all-purpose flour. It is the gluten that forms that allows the dough to stretch. Best regards, --Karen On Sep 27, 2010, at 11:58 AM, misty9234@aol.com wrote: > I might have missed it but is there a written recipe for the strudel > made in the video class. I remember making it with my mother as a > child. The last time I helped make apple strudel was in the afternoon > after my grandmothers funeral when I was 12. A couple of years ago one > of my cousins sent me a copy of the picture made that day of myself > with my aunts pulling the dough on the kitchen table. I must confess I > enjoyed making it more than eating it. Also, in the video someone > asked her what type of flour she was using and I couldn't make out the > answer. I did hear her say it has more gluten in it. Would that be > pastry flour? > > Sheila(Kirschenheiter, Schutz, Orso) > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rosina T Schmidt <rosinats@shaw.ca> > To: Banat <Banat@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sat, Sep 25, 2010 12:58 pm > Subject: [BANAT-L] Mt. Angel Treffen Strudel video > > > Hello Strudel Makers Hopefuls, > > If you have not discovered it yet, David Preston filmed Leah Ott's > Strudel class > (and slides), please see: http://www.banatbooks.com/Treffen.htm. > > As Marilyn writes below, watching the lovely presented video makes not > only your > mouth water, but makes you eager to bake your own Strudel also. > > Thanks, David! > > Rosina > P.S. am making apple Strudel right now.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marilyn > > > > Rosina and David -- I once again tried to view the video and lo and > behold, I > finally got to watch the entire baking session. You're right. I feel > like > today will be the day that I attempt to copy exactly what Leah was > doing. It > brought back such wonderful memories of watching my grandma make > strudels -- > also with the same cloth each time -- and always on the same kitchen > table. > Thank you so much for not only the entire "convention", but also for > the taping > of the individual speeches. I made it a point to watch the entire > session on my > computer. > > Marilyn Sensendorf > San Jose, CA > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the > body of > the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Fellow Researchers, While at the Mt. Angel DS conference I was lucky to obtain two books, one at the silent auction, and both of them describing the life 'back home' and the flight to freedom from Tito's starvation camps: Magdalena Gärtner - Sheltered in the Shadow of Your Wings - translated into English - purchasing through Arlene Prunkel at arlie272@gmail.com and Anton Krämer - Von Ulmbach im Banat nach Ingelheim am Rhein (in German) - am not sure if there is an English version. Both of them quite an eye opener and excellent to broaden our understanding of what misfortune and atrocities our people had to endure. Specifically Krämer has a lovely humour and refreshed my memories of the vocabulary I heard my grandma use, like Zwerchhaus (L-shaped building); Kaule (originally the hole where the lime was dug out for building material and later filled with water to form a pond). die Heerische (non agricultural professions, like pastors, doctors, teachers, etc.), etc. Rosina www.hrastovac.net

Can someone with a Lenauheim familienbuch please check for a Susanna Allar (need her parents' names)? Thank you, Judy

Barbara, I have the dates of five Angela Rollinger of Warjasch, which year is your Angela born, what was the date of her marriage and to whom? Anni -------- Original-Nachricht -------- > Datum: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:26:57 -0700 > Von: "Dave Dreyer" <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > An: "Banat List" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Betreff: [BANAT-L] Rollinger localities > Barbara; > Yes, there were Rollinger families in Warjasch but there is no family book > for Warjasch. You will also find the Rollinger surname in St Hubert, > Perjamsoch, Baratzhausen, Alexanderhausen and probably other localities. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: The Wilson's > To: David Dreyer > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:32 PM > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara > > > I have an Angela Rollinger coming from Wajasch. Does anyone have that > book in order to look for Anna Rollinger there? > > Barbara > > > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net > > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:45:43 -0700 > > Subject: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara > > > > Amy; > > According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born > 2 Aug > > 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in > > Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the > remaining 9 > > kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to > Georgshausen. > > So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other > than > > Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter > > villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons > so > > the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca > 1836 so > > he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth > > Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and > a > > Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. > Jakob > > Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 > Grabatz who > > moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness > to > > his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here > but > > until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. > > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > > To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" > > <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM > > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > > > > Hello Dave and Dave, > > > > > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, > which > > > give > > > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > > > > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu > (House > > > #75) > > > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same > year, > > > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) > and at > > > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > > > > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at > the > > > time > > > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > > > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no > further > > > indication of which house they were living in. > > > > > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and > on his > > > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - > born > > > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > > > > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might > produce some > > > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > > > > > Hope this helps! > > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On > > > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > > > To: Banat List > > > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > > > Dave; > > > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain > was > > > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were > moved > > > to > > > > > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > > > family > > > > > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these > people > > > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only > able to > > > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > > > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born > ca > > > 1834 > > > > > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 > Jul > > > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we > know > > > that > > > > > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf > records > > > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, > for D > > > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, > there are > > > a > > > > > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is > undoubtly > > > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung > was > > > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw > your > > > own > > > > > > conclusions. > > > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up > the > > > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan > and > > > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. > Marta > > > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the > bus > > > but > > > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. > Gr > > > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short > order. > > > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > > > Dave Dreyer > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > > > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > > > Subject: Elisenheim > > > > > > > > >> Hello Dave: > > >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. > Does > > >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? > That > > >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > > >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of > research > > >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible > > >> hometown > > > > > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > > >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz > Horvath's > > >> hometown. 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I am not sure if this is a repeat for me in regard to these Horvaths or not. I have a Josef Horvath that most likely was born around 1845-1853 possibly in Batschka Petrovoszello. He was married to Anna Tüski and they had approx. 10 children mostly born in Petrovoszello although I can not find a record there for Imre whom my father said was the oldest child born around 1872, so I am thinking they were somewhere else before coming to Petrovoszello and of course I am wondering if it could be the village mentioned in this post below. Please let me know if there is possibly some connection - Horvath is such a common name in that area and I don't know how close these other villages are to Petrovoszello or anything about migration in that particular area. Thanks, Eve On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Dave Dreyer <ddreyer@pacbell.net> wrote: > Amy; > According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born 2 > Aug > 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in > Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the remaining > 9 > kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to > Georgshausen. > So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other than > Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter > villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons so > the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca 1836 so > he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth > Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and a > Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. Jakob > Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 Grabatz who > moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness to > his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here but > until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" > <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Hello Dave and Dave, > > > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, which > > give > > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu (House > > #75) > > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same year, > > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) and > at > > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at the > > time > > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no further > > indication of which house they were living in. > > > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and on > his > > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - born > > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might produce > some > > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > > > Hope this helps! > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > > To: Banat List > > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Dave; > > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was > > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved > > to > > > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > > family > > > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able > to > > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > > 1834 > > > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul > > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > > that > > > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D > > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there > are > > a > > > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly > > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > > own > > > > conclusions. > > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and > > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > > but > > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. > > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > > Subject: Elisenheim > > > > > >> Hello Dave: > >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. > Does > >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? > That > >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research > >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible > >> hometown > > > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's > >> hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? > >> Sincerely, > >> Dave Weinfurtner > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

In the Zerne Familienbuch, I have a Maria Horvath, born 1840 in Gottlob, who married my great great great grandfather Michael Kintsch (born 1835 Gottlob). On page 468-473 there are 6 pages of HORVATH -- from Hettin, Tomsdorf, Hellburg-Arad, Parda, Ittebe, Endre Major, Ruskodorf, Kis Rokos, Julia Major, Senta, Sajan, Ottevesy, Mezogyom, Hatzfeld, Ebendorf and Nakodorf. Fran Matkovich ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Dreyer To: Banat List Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 1:45 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara Amy; According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born 2 Aug 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the remaining 9 kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to Georgshausen. So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other than Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons so the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca 1836 so he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and a Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. Jakob Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 Grabatz who moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness to his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here but until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > Hello Dave and Dave, > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, which > give > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu (House > #75) > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same year, > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) and at > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at the > time > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no further > indication of which house they were living in. > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and on his > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - born > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might produce some > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > Hope this helps! > Amy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > Dave; > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved > to > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > family > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > 1834 > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > that > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are > a > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > own > > conclusions. > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > but > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > Subject: Elisenheim > > >> Hello Dave: >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible >> hometown > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's >> hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? >> Sincerely, >> Dave Weinfurtner >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Barbara; Yes, there were Rollinger families in Warjasch but there is no family book for Warjasch. You will also find the Rollinger surname in St Hubert, Perjamsoch, Baratzhausen, Alexanderhausen and probably other localities. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: The Wilson's To: David Dreyer Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 12:32 PM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara I have an Angela Rollinger coming from Wajasch. Does anyone have that book in order to look for Anna Rollinger there? Barbara > From: ddreyer@pacbell.net > To: BANAT-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 11:45:43 -0700 > Subject: [BANAT-L] Horvath in Grabatz/Kriva Bara > > Amy; > According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born 2 Aug > 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in > Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the remaining 9 > kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to Georgshausen. > So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other than > Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter > villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons so > the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca 1836 so > he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth > Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and a > Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. Jakob > Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 Grabatz who > moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness to > his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here but > until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> > To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" > <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM > Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Hello Dave and Dave, > > > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, which > > give > > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu (House > > #75) > > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same year, > > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) and at > > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at the > > time > > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no further > > indication of which house they were living in. > > > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and on his > > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - born > > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might produce some > > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > > > Hope this helps! > > Amy > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > > To: Banat List > > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > > > Dave; > > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was > > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved > > to > > > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > > family > > > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to > > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > > 1834 > > > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul > > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > > that > > > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D > > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are > > a > > > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly > > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > > own > > > > conclusions. > > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and > > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > > but > > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. > > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > > Subject: Elisenheim > > > > > >> Hello Dave: > >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does > >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That > >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen > >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research > >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible > >> hometown > > > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. > >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's > >> hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? > >> Sincerely, > >> Dave Weinfurtner > >> > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in > > the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Amy; According to the Grabatz family book Jakob Horvath apparently was born 2 Aug 1812, son of Johann Horvath and Kath Neurohr. They had 12 kids in Grabatz(no Lorenz), of which 3 died shortly after birth. Of the remaining 9 kids there is only further data on one who apparently moved to Georgshausen. So one must conclude that the remaining 8 kids settled somewhere other than Grabatz------probably somewhere in the Southern Banat where daughter villages were opening up at this time. Four of these 8 kids were sons so the surname would have survived to this extent. Lorenz was born ca 1836 so he could have been the son of Jakob by his first marriage to Elisabeth Tanbrier. From your attachment note that there is a Lorenz Horvath and a Josef Horvath who are witnesses at the second marriage to Anna Beer. Jakob Horvath(*2 Aug 1812 Grabatz) had a brother, Josef, *13 May 1823 Grabatz who moved to Georgshausen. Could the son(Lorenz) have served as a witness to his fathers second marriage? We are building a big sand castle here but until proven otherwise we don't have much else to go on. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 7:16 AM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > Hello Dave and Dave, > > I am going to attach two records from the Gross Gaj Parish Books, which > give > some additional information on Lorenz Horvath. > > In Oct. 1860, Lorenz and Anna (Rollinger) were living in Ujfalu (House > #75) > when they had their twins - Nikolaus and Anna. In July of the same year, > there is a marriage record for a Jakob Horvath and Anna Beer (Baz?) and at > the time of their marriage they were also living in House #75. > > Jakob was the widower of Elisabeth Tanbrier and was 47 years old at the > time > of the marriage.The record lists him as being born in Grabatz. Jakob > Horvath and Anna Beer did have more children, but there is no further > indication of which house they were living in. > > Jakob Horvath died on 3 March 1869 (his wife died the next day) and on his > burial record he is noted to be 58 years old and from Grabatz. So - born > between 1811-1813 and perhaps Lorenz Horvath's father? > > So perhaps taking a look in the Grabatz Famlienbuch and might produce some > clues for Lorenz Horvath. > > Hope this helps! > Amy > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > Dave; > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved > to > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > family > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > 1834 > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > that > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are > a > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > own > > conclusions. > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > but > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > Subject: Elisenheim > > >> Hello Dave: >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible >> hometown > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's >> hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? >> Sincerely, >> Dave Weinfurtner >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message >

Amy; Since Anna Rollinger was not born in Kriva Bara, I would think the next best guess would be Ernsthausen. There was a Johann Rollinger and wife Katharina Kungel, living at Ernsthausen HN 43 in the 1871 Ernsthaussen Grundbuch records so we know that Rollinger is a surname associated with Ernsthausen. Could you send me the exact birth dates of the 6 Horvath kids you have in the Kriva Bara records? These kids were all married in Josefsdorf. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amy Nichols" <anichols@att.net> To: "'Dave Dreyer'" <ddreyer@pacbell.net>; "'Banat List'" <BANAT-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 7:41 PM Subject: RE: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim >I should say Anna Rollinger's baptism record is not included in these > records. The births of 6 of their children are. > > -----Original Message----- > From: banat-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:banat-bounces@rootsweb.com] On > Behalf Of Dave Dreyer > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 12:56 PM > To: Banat List > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Elisenheim > > Dave; > Elisenhain was established ca 1872. When the town site of Elisenhain was > abandoned in 1882 because of constant flooding the inhabitants were moved > to > > create the village of Josefsdorf. Since I am working on a Josefsdorf > family > > book I was interested in Elisenhain records because many of these people > were the first settlers of Josefsdorf. In the event, we were only able to > locate Elisenhain and acquire birth records. > Anna Rollinger could not have been born in Elisenhain. She was born ca > 1834 > > and Elisenhain did not exist at that time. One of her kids, Eva, *23 Jul > 1872 does occur in the Elisenhain birth records that I have and we know > that > > her husband, Lorenz was a Juryman in Elisenhain. The Josefsdorf records > indicate that Lorenz was from D Etschka. The family book, by Lung, for D > Etschka is now available on a CD(see Banatbooks.com) and indeed, there are > a > > bunch of Horvats in D Etschka but Lorenz is not there. This is undoubtly > due to the fact that there were some gaps in the records that Lung was > working from. You might consider getting the D Etschka CD and draw your > own > > conclusions. > The bottom line is, if your focus is on Anna Rollinger, to follow up the > Kriva Bara lead. To start you might consider contacting Marta Istvan and > see if she knows where the chruch books(KBs) are for Kriva Bara. Marta > lives in Gr Kikinda and it is a little far for her to get to on the bus > but > if the Kriva Bara KBs have been removed to a central archives, e.g. Gr > Betschkerek, she could probably dig out the data you need in short order. > If you are interested I can send you Marta email address. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <davey1947@suddenlink.net> > To: <ddreyer@pacbell.net> > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:48 AM > Subject: Elisenheim > > >> Hello Dave: >> I noticed that you are going to produce the Elisenheim Family Book. Does >> this mean that you will include Anna Rollinger in that Family book? That >> is one of the cites mentioned as being the hometown of Anna. Eileen >> Lund-Johnson is my cousin and I know that she has done a lot of research >> trying to find Anna's background. Kriva Bara is another possible >> hometown > >> for Anna. Markowitschewo is the German name for Kriva Bara. >> Also, Family Search lists Deutsche Etschka as being Lorenz Horvath's >> hometown. Has anyone done a lookup in that city for Lorenz? >> Sincerely, >> Dave Weinfurtner >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > BANAT-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > >