22. Nicolaus Martin mit Weib und Kinder, Ackersmann von - (?) (29), 40 J., 7 K., 9 P. 7021 MARTIN, Nikolaus * um. .1779 8 MARTIN*, Katharina * um. .1781 Kind(er) a) Magdalena t 27.06.1799 Hf + 29.06.1799 in Hf b) Mathias t 01.02.1801 Hf Ehe siehe <7044> c) Susanna t 12.07.1803 Hf + 13.09.1803 in Hf d) Katharina t 17.08.1804 Hf e) Maria t 26.01.1807 Hf f) Sibylle t 20.07.1810 Hf 7021 MARTIN, Nikolaus * um. .1779 8 MARTIN*, Katharina * um. .1781 Kind(er) a) Magdalena t 27.06.1799 Hf + 29.06.1799 in Hf b) Mathias t 01.02.1801 Hf Ehe siehe <7044> c) Susanna t 12.07.1803 Hf + 13.09.1803 in Hf d) Katharina t 17.08.1804 Hf e) Maria t 26.01.1807 Hf f) Sibylle t 20.07.1810 Hf 7071 MARTIN, Mathias Eltern siehe <7044> t 25.02.1824 in Hf + 22.05.1853 in Hnr 142 Seiler 8 23.02.1852 in Hf ANTON, Katharina Eltern siehe <171> t 04.01.1836 in Hf Vat.ist bei d. Geb. tot Kind(er) a) Mathias Nikolaus t 13.12.1852 Hnr 142 + 29.01.1853 in Hnr 142 171 ANTON, Nikolaus Eltern siehe <143> t 08.04.1809 in Hf + 07.09.1835 in Hf 8 WIMMER, Katharina weitere Ehe(n) <10379> t um. .1807 Kind(er) a) Katharina t 04.01.1836 Hf Ehe siehe <7071> 143 ANTON, Johann Eltern siehe <135> t 22.03.1774 in Hf 8 04.02.1794 in Hf BURGHARDT, Elisabeth * um. .1774 + 28.06.1849 in Hf gest.als Wwe Kind(er) a) Katharina t 30.06.1795 Hf + 30.11.1796 in Hf b) Johann t 04.12.1796 Hf + 26.02.1797 in Hf c) Johann t 27.09.1800 Hf + 29.05.1840 in Hf Ehe siehe <160> d) Mathias t 22.06.1804 Hf e) Peter t 18.10.1806 Hf Ehe siehe <169> f) Nikolaus t 08.04.1809 Hf + 07.09.1835 in Hf Ehe siehe <171> g) Nikolaus * um. .1810 + 11.09.1817 in Hf h) Peter t 04.04.1812 Hf Ehe siehe <175> i) Jakob t 16.05.1814 Hf j) Peter t 09.11.1816 Hf + 21.02.1862 in Schag Ehe siehe <179> 135 ANTON, Johann * um. .1750 im Reich + 07.11.1828 in Hf 8 17.09.1771 in Hf SCHULD, Maria Barbara * um. .1751 Kind(er) a) Mathias t 09.12.1772 Hf + 16.06.1773 in Hf b) Johann t 22.03.1774 Hf Ehe siehe <143> c) Michael t 31.08.1776 Hf + 28.07.1798 in Hf d) Anton t 25.04.1778 Hf Ehe siehe <144> e) Karl t 20.02.1780 Hf f) Jakob t 22.01.1782 Hf + 20.10.1882 in Hf g) Elisabeth t 19.05.1784 Hf + 25.06.1784 in Hf h) Jakob t 22.05.1785 Hf Ehe siehe <152> i) Nikolaus t 01.03.1787 Hf + 09.05.1788 in Hf j) Mathias t 25.09.1789 Hf + 24.10.1790 in Hf k) Mathias t um. .1791 Ehe siehe <155> Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Hough Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2014 4:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Hatzfeld lookup - Nikolaus & Katharina Martin Does anyone have a copy of the Hatzfeld Familienbuch? Can someone provide me with info on Nikolaus & Katharina Martin, who had the following children: Magdalena (1799), Susanna (1803), Catharina (1804), and Sybilla (1810)? ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

looking in St. Louis, Mo area for: Beiszer (variant sp) Mayer (variant sp) in the St. Louis area. Beiszers and Mayers and Bayer origianally from Grossjetscha, Banat. Mayer also lived in Eichenthal (Gyulatelep) before emig. I believe my great grandmother's brother either Josef or Joahn moved to St. Louis. thank you. Linda Bautz McKenna --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Looking for information on Josef Petrosek (Potroschek, Botroschek, Betrosek, Petroschek or variiant) b. 16 Nov 1879 or near there...see two records one with this date and another with no date. Place. the 1879 record says Kowatschi other says Tem. or may be Jahrmarkt ALL places are of interest. mother: Emilia Kirschner who later married Friedrich Pautz (Bautz in Kow.) he married Anna Weissgerber who was born in Arad. 2 children: Konrad 7 Sept 1915 Kow. Aloisia 24 Aub 1917 Kow. any help appreciated. Linda Bautz McKenna --- This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com

Does anyone have a copy of the Hatzfeld Familienbuch? Can someone provide me with info on Nikolaus & Katharina Martin, who had the following children: Magdalena (1799), Susanna (1803), Catharina (1804), and Sybilla (1810)?

Dave, thank you for your help. I should have done some more digging before posting, but I was excited with the wealth of information in the Setschan book. I have some follow-up questions/comments. How might I view/obtain the old map of Setschan? The chronicle at the end was inserted as an image into the PDF, so I can't easily use Google translate. I am going to try and tackle the chronicle with an OCR Reader and the Google Translate, which will result in a very rough translation, but I don't read German, and that's better than nothing. If there are any web-based or English language sources, I would be grateful for links. What I meant by "general entry" for 1946 is that it doesn't supply a specific date, and since it was an internment camp, was a general date supplied because of lack of knowledge of details on those interned? Regarding Stefan who died in Romania, my follow-up would be where did the information about Romania come from originally? Again, thank you for your time. Your suggestions have really helped my research. Renee On Tue, Feb 11, 2014 at 11:33 PM, Dave Dreyer <[email protected]> wrote: > Renne, > Please see below. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "rk carl" [email protected] > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:05 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Setschan Family Book and research questions > >> Hi all >> I have struck a vein of gold in research on the WEBER family of >> Setschan, specifically family 5023 and 5034. I have some general >> questions and also specific ones about family 5034 (which is pasted >> below for reference). >> >> If I were to want to obtain copies of the church book entries for this >> data, would that be possible, and how would I go about doing so? If >> someone has done this, could you give me an idea of the cost? > > According to the introduction to the Setschan family book the Setschan KBs > post 1900 were in the church archives in Gr Betschkerek. The earlier KBs > with many gaps are in Neusatz archives. > To get copies you would have visit the archives or contact a local > researcher to get copies. Price with a resercher would have to be > negotiated. > >> Is there an old map of Setschan available? Particularly one that gives >> the house numbers? > > Such a map with house numbers exists. > >> >> The record indicates that Katharina WEBER (nee Hiljer) died in Lager >> Setschan. Can you recommend resources to learn more about this >> internment camp to be included in the family history I am writing? > > See the chronicle at the end of the Setschan family book. > >> Also, family data indicates she died 23 Sept 1945 (from a baby book). >> Is 1946 a general entry? > > I don't understand what you mean by "a general entry" > >> >> Is there a family book for Pardan? > > Yes, see Banatbooks.com > >> >> The record indicates that Stefan (5034.5) died in Romania at an >> unknown date. Where would I learn more about this? > > No so easy. Assuming he died in the Banat you could go through every Banat > family book available for localities in the Romanian Banat > >> >> Finally, I have a great deal of information on Elisabeth (5034.3). To >> whom (if anyone) should I send the info to be included as addendum to >> a future issue of the book? > > You might contact Karl Benz, the Setschan family book author, whose address > is Cc above. > Dave Dreyer. > >> >> Thank you all so much for your assistance. >> Renee Carl >> Washington DC >> >> 5034 WEBER (VEBER), Wendelin Eltern: W., Nikolaus u. KIMMEL, Barbara >> (5023.2) >> * 20.07.1860 Setschan. † 08.07.1926 Setschan. >> oo 04.11.1884 Setschan. <Seite mit Trauzeugen fehlt!> >> 381 >> HILLIER (HILJER), Katharina Eltern: H., Nikolaus u. SCHÄDL (Schedel), >> Elisabeth >> * 28.02.1866 Pardan. † 1946 Lager Setschan. >> Kinder >> 1. Valentin * 15.12.1885 Setschan HNr. 301. (5032) >> 2. Franziska * 08.02.1888 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Stefan HAAS ; >> Franziska HILLIER . >> † 11.05.1888 Setschan. >> 3. Elisabeth * 17.08.1889 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Elisabeth KAUFMANN ; >> Johann BAUER . >> † USA. <Quelle D.Dreyer: Elisabeth Weber 17J nach Chicago, IL., zum >> Onkel Johann Bauer. Ankunft >> am 1.02.1909 mit Schiff "Neckar".> >> 4. Anna * 24.02.1893 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Anna GRASSL ; Stefan HAAS >> . † 18.02.1894 >> Setschan. >> 5. Stefan (VEBER) * 20.12.1894 Setschan HNr. 30. Tp.: Theresia RECH ; >> Stefan HAAS . >> † Rumänien. >> 6. Johann * 01.07.1897 Setschan HNr. 301. (5008) >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in >> the subject and the body of the message

Ein dankeschön an alle die geholfen habe. Gruß Falzboden -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: v.and [mailto:[email protected]] Gesendet: Dienstag, 11. Februar 2014 20:17 An: [email protected] Betreff: Ernsthausen Hallo Fr. Falzboden, Ich muss mich sehr bedanken für Ihre Hilfe. Ich habe sehr viel Information bekommen und viele hinweise erhalten. 3 emails habe ich schon beantwortet und hoffe auf weitere Details. Schwierig ist es wenn ein Personen zwei vornahmen hat und je nachdem eins benutzt. Es scheint öfter vor zukommen. Nochmals vielen Dank. Valerie Andres

Renne, Please see below. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rk carl" [email protected] To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2014 1:05 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Setschan Family Book and research questions > Hi all > I have struck a vein of gold in research on the WEBER family of > Setschan, specifically family 5023 and 5034. I have some general > questions and also specific ones about family 5034 (which is pasted > below for reference). > > If I were to want to obtain copies of the church book entries for this > data, would that be possible, and how would I go about doing so? If > someone has done this, could you give me an idea of the cost? According to the introduction to the Setschan family book the Setschan KBs post 1900 were in the church archives in Gr Betschkerek. The earlier KBs with many gaps are in Neusatz archives. To get copies you would have visit the archives or contact a local researcher to get copies. Price with a resercher would have to be negotiated. > Is there an old map of Setschan available? Particularly one that gives > the house numbers? Such a map with house numbers exists. > > The record indicates that Katharina WEBER (nee Hiljer) died in Lager > Setschan. Can you recommend resources to learn more about this > internment camp to be included in the family history I am writing? See the chronicle at the end of the Setschan family book. > Also, family data indicates she died 23 Sept 1945 (from a baby book). > Is 1946 a general entry? I don't understand what you mean by "a general entry" > > Is there a family book for Pardan? Yes, see Banatbooks.com > > The record indicates that Stefan (5034.5) died in Romania at an > unknown date. Where would I learn more about this? No so easy. Assuming he died in the Banat you could go through every Banat family book available for localities in the Romanian Banat > > Finally, I have a great deal of information on Elisabeth (5034.3). To > whom (if anyone) should I send the info to be included as addendum to > a future issue of the book? You might contact Karl Benz, the Setschan family book author, whose address is Cc above. Dave Dreyer. > > Thank you all so much for your assistance. > Renee Carl > Washington DC > > 5034 WEBER (VEBER), Wendelin Eltern: W., Nikolaus u. KIMMEL, Barbara (5023.2) > * 20.07.1860 Setschan. † 08.07.1926 Setschan. > oo 04.11.1884 Setschan. <Seite mit Trauzeugen fehlt!> > 381 > HILLIER (HILJER), Katharina Eltern: H., Nikolaus u. SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth > * 28.02.1866 Pardan. † 1946 Lager Setschan. > Kinder > 1. Valentin * 15.12.1885 Setschan HNr. 301. (5032) > 2. Franziska * 08.02.1888 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Stefan HAAS ; > Franziska HILLIER . > † 11.05.1888 Setschan. > 3. Elisabeth * 17.08.1889 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Elisabeth KAUFMANN ; > Johann BAUER . > † USA. <Quelle D.Dreyer: Elisabeth Weber 17J nach Chicago, IL., zum > Onkel Johann Bauer. Ankunft > am 1.02.1909 mit Schiff "Neckar".> > 4. Anna * 24.02.1893 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Anna GRASSL ; Stefan HAAS > . † 18.02.1894 > Setschan. > 5. Stefan (VEBER) * 20.12.1894 Setschan HNr. 30. Tp.: Theresia RECH ; > Stefan HAAS . > † Rumänien. > 6. Johann * 01.07.1897 Setschan HNr. 301. (5008) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi all I have struck a vein of gold in research on the WEBER family of Setschan, specifically family 5023 and 5034. I have some general questions and also specific ones about family 5034 (which is pasted below for reference). If I were to want to obtain copies of the church book entries for this data, would that be possible, and how would I go about doing so? If someone has done this, could you give me an idea of the cost? Is there an old map of Setschan available? Particularly one that gives the house numbers? The record indicates that Katharina WEBER (nee Hiljer) died in Lager Setschan. Can you recommend resources to learn more about this internment camp to be included in the family history I am writing? Also, family data indicates she died 23 Sept 1945 (from a baby book). Is 1946 a general entry? Is there a family book for Pardan? The record indicates that Stefan (5034.5) died in Romania at an unknown date. Where would I learn more about this? Finally, I have a great deal of information on Elisabeth (5034.3). To whom (if anyone) should I send the info to be included as addendum to a future issue of the book? Thank you all so much for your assistance. Renee Carl Washington DC 5034 WEBER (VEBER), Wendelin Eltern: W., Nikolaus u. KIMMEL, Barbara (5023.2) * 20.07.1860 Setschan. † 08.07.1926 Setschan. oo 04.11.1884 Setschan. <Seite mit Trauzeugen fehlt!> 381 HILLIER (HILJER), Katharina Eltern: H., Nikolaus u. SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth * 28.02.1866 Pardan. † 1946 Lager Setschan. Kinder 1. Valentin * 15.12.1885 Setschan HNr. 301. (5032) 2. Franziska * 08.02.1888 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Stefan HAAS ; Franziska HILLIER . † 11.05.1888 Setschan. 3. Elisabeth * 17.08.1889 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Elisabeth KAUFMANN ; Johann BAUER . † USA. <Quelle D.Dreyer: Elisabeth Weber 17J nach Chicago, IL., zum Onkel Johann Bauer. Ankunft am 1.02.1909 mit Schiff "Neckar".> 4. Anna * 24.02.1893 Setschan HNr. 301. Tp.: Anna GRASSL ; Stefan HAAS . † 18.02.1894 Setschan. 5. Stefan (VEBER) * 20.12.1894 Setschan HNr. 30. Tp.: Theresia RECH ; Stefan HAAS . † Rumänien. 6. Johann * 01.07.1897 Setschan HNr. 301. (5008)

Hello Dave, Linda and John, Many thanks to all who answered my question. I learned a lot from them. regards Brigitte Wolf "Dave Dreyer" <[email protected]> schrieb: > Brigitte, > Up until 1952 immigrants to the U. S. were required to pay a head tax. The > tax was 50 cents which doesn't sound like much these days. Normally, for > most immigrants this was included in the price of the ticket. Tourists and > those in transit had to pay the tax but it was refunded when they departed. > Kids under the age of 16 did not have to pay the tax, probably leading many > to understate the age of some of their kids. > The abbreviation USC stands for U. S. Citizen. > I am uncertain of meaning for the remaining abbreviations. In this time > period almost all the immigrates to the U. S. were DPs. As a result most > were stateless----perhaps CWS was Citizens without [a} state and then NCWS a > Noncitizen without [a] state. I do not find this explanation very > compelling. > Obviously, almost all DPs did not have the financial means to pay for > passage to America. After the end of the war many organizations sprang up > to pay for passage. Some of these were church, ethnic and civic > organizations, some were sponsored by relatives already here in the UP S., > some by international organizations(perhaps the Red Cross and the > International Refugee Organization). In the period immediately after the > war it took some time for normal commercial transatlantic passenger ship to > resume. Many DPs were transported in U. S. Army troop transports and as > such could be mixed sometimes with U. S. Army personal returning to the U. > S. > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brigitte Wolf" <[email protected]> > To: "Mailingliste Banat-L" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:02 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations in ship lists > > > > Dear friends of this list, > > > > in the ship's list and the flight list of new york in the aftermath of WW2 > > I find shortcuts USC, TAS, NCWS, CWS. Does anyone know the meaning? > > The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and > > U.S. officers. > > The words "Head Tax excempt" and "Head tax collected" I can understand. > > Does anyone know the background of this tax? > > The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and > > U.S. officers. > > Does anyone know the background of this tax? I have found that refugees > > and stateless persons were exempt from this tax. Then who pays for the > > cost of the crossing? > > > > I'm happy about every hint. > > Greetings from Berlin/Germany > > Brigitte Wolf > > > > -- > > [email protected] > > Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families > > from Sekitsch: > > http://www.sekitsch.de > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de

Hallo Dave, vielen Dank für die Recherche, Gruß Liane > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Dave Dreyer > Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. Februar 2014 21:16 > An: Akdff-l > Cc: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [BANAT-L] [Akdff-l] WG: Ernsthausen > > Valerie, > >From abstracts of the Ernsthausen KBs. > > Andres Georg and Barbara Lafleu(Lefle, Laffle, Lafleur, etc) > 1 Johann *1 Apr 1840 > 2 Margaretha *29 Mar 1841 > 3 Mathias *14 Dec 1842 > 4 Michael *10 Jun 1844 > 5 Anna *6 Sep 1845 > 6 Christof *4 May 1849 > 7 Martin *16 Apr 1851 > 8 Peter *13 Oct 1854 +14 Oct 1854 > 9 Peter *3 Jun 1856 +3 Jun 1856 > 10 Maria *4 Aug 1859 +4 Aug 1859 > 11 Susanna *27 Jan 1861 +29 Jan 1861 > 12 Elisabeth *2 Apr 1864 +3 Apr 1864 > 13 Susanna *8 Oct 1867 +8 Oct 1867 > All events in Ernsthausen > The abstracts that I have end in 1867 > There is no Jakob Andres family in these records. > There was a Peter Andreas from Ernsthausen among the Banat > settlers in North > Dakota. > Dave Dreyer > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "L.Falzboden" <[email protected]> > To: "'Akdff-l'" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:45 AM > Subject: [Akdff-l] WG: Ernsthausen > > > Liebe Listenteilnehmer, > ich leite eine Anfrage weiter, > wie kann der Fragesteller auf der Suche nach seinen Vorfahren > weiter gehen. > Danke für die Mühe. > mfg > Liane Falzboden > > Betreff: Ernsthausen > Hallo Fr. Falzboden, > > Sie kennen mich nicht persönlich aber Ich bin die Freundin > von Kate und > Sie hat mir gesagt ich soll mich an Sie wenden. > > Es geht um die Vorfahren der Familie Andres die nach Banat > umsiedelten. > Um diese Forschung betrieben zu können habe ich 2 CD´S gekauft, Pardan > (Kiss Maria ) und St. Hubert, Charleville und Seltour, die mir sehr > geholfen haben. Nun aber komme ich nicht weiter weil ich die > Kirchenunterlagen von Ernsthausen nirgendwo finde. Ich weiß dass bis > 1828 die Unterlagen in Sarca zu finden sind aber danach finde > ich nichts > mehr. > Jakob Andres und Georg Andres mit Familien ( Brüder ) sind > etwa 1822 von > Kiss Maria nach Ernsthausen gezogen. Georg Andres Junior hat > Barbara La > Fleur ( La Flör ) 1839 in St.Hubert geheiratet aber danach in > Ernsthausen gewohnt. Ich suche alles im Zusammenhang mit der Andres > Familie aber ins Besondere suche ich die Kinder dieses Paares die in > Ernsthausen geboren sind. > > Ich hoffe das Sie mich in die richtige Richtung weisen können. > > Im Voraus vielen Dank für Ihre Mühe > > Valerie Andres > > _______________________________________________ > Akdff-l mailing list > [email protected] > http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Dave, Brigitte, As my father was a DP ("stateless") who came over by passenger ship in 1951, and I have the photocopy of his page of the passenger list, I thought I would check what it said next to his name. In the masters/surgeon/US officer column, his name was marked with "US Com" - perhaps the same as USC? Elsewhere on the page, most of the other passengers have a note for "NCWC", one has the note "Am PD," and one person has the note "Sponsor Truppner." Going on the assumption that the information in this column might be sponsor information, I searched around a bit and came up with the following possibilities: NCWC = National Catholic Welfare Conference (see this page: http://archives.cmsny.org/2013/07/22/national-catholic-welfare-conference-department-of-immigration-new-york-office-and-the-catholic-committee-for-refugees-records-1921-1965/) US Com = US Committee for the Care of European Children Am PD = American Committee for the Resettlement of Polish DPs (this note next to two Polish names) So maybe TAS and CWS (CWC?) are additional sponsor organizations, but I couldn't narrow those down. Cheers, Linda On Feb 10, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Dave Dreyer wrote: > Brigitte, > Up until 1952 immigrants to the U. S. were required to pay a head tax. The > tax was 50 cents which doesn't sound like much these days. Normally, for > most immigrants this was included in the price of the ticket. Tourists and > those in transit had to pay the tax but it was refunded when they departed. > Kids under the age of 16 did not have to pay the tax, probably leading many > to understate the age of some of their kids. > The abbreviation USC stands for U. S. Citizen. > I am uncertain of meaning for the remaining abbreviations. In this time > period almost all the immigrates to the U. S. were DPs. As a result most > were stateless----perhaps CWS was Citizens without [a} state and then NCWS a > Noncitizen without [a] state. I do not find this explanation very > compelling. > Obviously, almost all DPs did not have the financial means to pay for > passage to America. After the end of the war many organizations sprang up > to pay for passage. Some of these were church, ethnic and civic > organizations, some were sponsored by relatives already here in the UP S., > some by international organizations(perhaps the Red Cross and the > International Refugee Organization). In the period immediately after the > war it took some time for normal commercial transatlantic passenger ship to > resume. Many DPs were transported in U. S. Army troop transports and as > such could be mixed sometimes with U. S. Army personal returning to the U. > S. > Dave Dreyer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brigitte Wolf" <[email protected]> > To: "Mailingliste Banat-L" <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:02 AM > Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations in ship lists > > >> Dear friends of this list, >> >> in the ship's list and the flight list of new york in the aftermath of WW2 >> I find shortcuts USC, TAS, NCWS, CWS. Does anyone know the meaning? >> The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and >> U.S. officers. >> The words "Head Tax excempt" and "Head tax collected" I can understand. >> Does anyone know the background of this tax? >> The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and >> U.S. officers. >> Does anyone know the background of this tax? I have found that refugees >> and stateless persons were exempt from this tax. Then who pays for the >> cost of the crossing? >> >> I'm happy about every hint. >> Greetings from Berlin/Germany >> Brigitte Wolf >> >> -- >> [email protected] >> Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families >> from Sekitsch: >> http://www.sekitsch.de >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Marta Istvan, who lives in Gr Kikinda, is a long time contact for many Banat List subscribers for research in the Serbian Banat. Marta has now self published a book on the Donauschwabs of Gr Kikinda. This work, entitled "Gross Kikindaer deutsche buergerliche Familien vor derm Zweiten Weltkrieg", describes the German families and their contribution to the development of Gr Kikinda before WW II. Among these Donauschwabs were merchants, large landowners and those who created new industries They left their stamp on the city in the form of their architecture.and cultural institutions. These German citizens have now disappeared from the scene almost 70 years ago and without Marta's work the story of their roll in the develpment of the city as well. The book, 260 pp, 160 illustrations, has a trilingual text, Serbian, German and Hungarian. Price is 10 Euro plus postage. The book can be ordered from the author, Marta Istvan, at [email protected] Dave Dreyer

Hello to Valerie Andres, with a postscript to Dave Dreyer on the Andres family in Ernsthausen. I have been interested in the Andres family for a while, and have taken a few notes on them, because they seem to interact quite a lot with my Heh/Hoh family, mainly as godparents at christenings, back and forth. They have also on occasion married a Heh, though no one on my direct tree, and none from the list that Dave provided in response to Valerie's inquiry. And so, I do seem to remember that there was a Jacob Andress in Ernsthausen during that time. But, as Dave is indicating, he may not be the same one, as a brother to George, because he would have been a lot older than George. Anyway, for what it's worth, Jacob Andress married in Ernsthausen in 1840 to Anna Stahl. He was listed as a widow, of the age of 56, with a notation that he was originally from Vitsburg. His first wife was Margaret NN, who died in 1836. He died April 4, 1852, this time with an age of 70, and the note this time for place of origin was Vildsburg in Germania. I would be interested if anyone in the Andres family knows of any connection to the Heh/Hoh family. I am also curious, if anyone knows, if Jacob's place of origin might be Bitburg, Germany, as the Google map did not have anything quite like Vitsburg or Vildsburg. All the best, Marilyn

Dear friends of this list, in the ship's list and the flight list of new york in the aftermath of WW2 I find shortcuts USC, TAS, NCWS, CWS. Does anyone know the meaning? The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and U.S. officers. The words "Head Tax excempt" and "Head tax collected" I can understand. Does anyone know the background of this tax? The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and U.S. officers. Does anyone know the background of this tax? I have found that refugees and stateless persons were exempt from this tax. Then who pays for the cost of the crossing? I'm happy about every hint. Greetings from Berlin/Germany Brigitte Wolf -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de

Brigitte, Up until 1952 immigrants to the U. S. were required to pay a head tax. The tax was 50 cents which doesn't sound like much these days. Normally, for most immigrants this was included in the price of the ticket. Tourists and those in transit had to pay the tax but it was refunded when they departed. Kids under the age of 16 did not have to pay the tax, probably leading many to understate the age of some of their kids. The abbreviation USC stands for U. S. Citizen. I am uncertain of meaning for the remaining abbreviations. In this time period almost all the immigrates to the U. S. were DPs. As a result most were stateless----perhaps CWS was Citizens without [a} state and then NCWS a Noncitizen without [a] state. I do not find this explanation very compelling. Obviously, almost all DPs did not have the financial means to pay for passage to America. After the end of the war many organizations sprang up to pay for passage. Some of these were church, ethnic and civic organizations, some were sponsored by relatives already here in the UP S., some by international organizations(perhaps the Red Cross and the International Refugee Organization). In the period immediately after the war it took some time for normal commercial transatlantic passenger ship to resume. Many DPs were transported in U. S. Army troop transports and as such could be mixed sometimes with U. S. Army personal returning to the U. S. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brigitte Wolf" <[email protected]> To: "Mailingliste Banat-L" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 10, 2014 9:02 AM Subject: [BANAT-L] abbreviations in ship lists > Dear friends of this list, > > in the ship's list and the flight list of new york in the aftermath of WW2 > I find shortcuts USC, TAS, NCWS, CWS. Does anyone know the meaning? > The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and > U.S. officers. > The words "Head Tax excempt" and "Head tax collected" I can understand. > Does anyone know the background of this tax? > The associated text reads: This column for use of the master, surgeon, and > U.S. officers. > Does anyone know the background of this tax? I have found that refugees > and stateless persons were exempt from this tax. Then who pays for the > cost of the crossing? > > I'm happy about every hint. > Greetings from Berlin/Germany > Brigitte Wolf > > -- > [email protected] > Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families > from Sekitsch: > http://www.sekitsch.de > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, I just found this on-line resource that lists R-P and Rheinhessen villages along with the dates of their church books all nicely broken out by denomination. If I understand this, as I am not a German speaker, I believe that the list was compiled in 2011 by the Landesarchive Speyer. If someone else has already posted this, I apologize. http://www.lha-rlp.de/uploads/media/Kirchenbuchverzeichnis_uebergreifend.pdf Hoping this helps someone, Deborah Owens

http://othes.univie.ac.at/1017/1/2008-08-20_0100683.pdf http://othes.univie.ac.at/1017/ Abstract in Deutsch Nikolaus Berwanger, rumäniendeutscher Kulturpolitiker, Journalist und Schriftsteller kann aufgrund seiner zahlreichen und vielseitigen Tätigkeiten als Vertreter einer rumäniendeutschen Minderheit geltend gemacht werden. Gerade sein konträres Verhalten - auf der einen Seite förderte er junge, deutschsprachige Autoren und deren moderne Sichtweisen, auf der anderen Seite nahm er jedoch eine äußerst konservative Haltung ein und stellte sich gegen eben diese modernen Einflüsse - ließ die rumäniendeutsche, im engeren Sinne banatschwäbische, Literatur in einem besonders interessanten Licht erscheinen. Gruß Falzboden

Valerie, >From abstracts of the Ernsthausen KBs. Andres Georg and Barbara Lafleu(Lefle, Laffle, Lafleur, etc) 1 Johann *1 Apr 1840 2 Margaretha *29 Mar 1841 3 Mathias *14 Dec 1842 4 Michael *10 Jun 1844 5 Anna *6 Sep 1845 6 Christof *4 May 1849 7 Martin *16 Apr 1851 8 Peter *13 Oct 1854 +14 Oct 1854 9 Peter *3 Jun 1856 +3 Jun 1856 10 Maria *4 Aug 1859 +4 Aug 1859 11 Susanna *27 Jan 1861 +29 Jan 1861 12 Elisabeth *2 Apr 1864 +3 Apr 1864 13 Susanna *8 Oct 1867 +8 Oct 1867 All events in Ernsthausen The abstracts that I have end in 1867 There is no Jakob Andres family in these records. There was a Peter Andreas from Ernsthausen among the Banat settlers in North Dakota. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "L.Falzboden" <[email protected]> To: "'Akdff-l'" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, February 09, 2014 1:45 AM Subject: [Akdff-l] WG: Ernsthausen Liebe Listenteilnehmer, ich leite eine Anfrage weiter, wie kann der Fragesteller auf der Suche nach seinen Vorfahren weiter gehen. Danke für die Mühe. mfg Liane Falzboden Betreff: Ernsthausen Hallo Fr. Falzboden, Sie kennen mich nicht persönlich aber Ich bin die Freundin von Kate und Sie hat mir gesagt ich soll mich an Sie wenden. Es geht um die Vorfahren der Familie Andres die nach Banat umsiedelten. Um diese Forschung betrieben zu können habe ich 2 CD´S gekauft, Pardan (Kiss Maria ) und St. Hubert, Charleville und Seltour, die mir sehr geholfen haben. Nun aber komme ich nicht weiter weil ich die Kirchenunterlagen von Ernsthausen nirgendwo finde. Ich weiß dass bis 1828 die Unterlagen in Sarca zu finden sind aber danach finde ich nichts mehr. Jakob Andres und Georg Andres mit Familien ( Brüder ) sind etwa 1822 von Kiss Maria nach Ernsthausen gezogen. Georg Andres Junior hat Barbara La Fleur ( La Flör ) 1839 in St.Hubert geheiratet aber danach in Ernsthausen gewohnt. Ich suche alles im Zusammenhang mit der Andres Familie aber ins Besondere suche ich die Kinder dieses Paares die in Ernsthausen geboren sind. Ich hoffe das Sie mich in die richtige Richtung weisen können. Im Voraus vielen Dank für Ihre Mühe Valerie Andres _______________________________________________ Akdff-l mailing list [email protected] http://list.genealogy.net/mm/listinfo/akdff-l

Die Kirchenbücher sind weitgehend erhalten und liegen als Mikrofilme im Archiv von Novi Sad. Es gibt einen Teil Fotografien der Originalmatrikel in sehr guter Qualität und einen Teil professionell erstellter Transkriptionen von den Mikrofilmen. Ich werde in den nächsten Tagen nachsehen, wenn mir kein anderer zuvorkommt :-) Reinhold Benedik Am 09.02.2014 10:45, schrieb L.Falzboden: > Liebe Listenteilnehmer, > ich leite eine Anfrage weiter, > wie kann der Fragesteller auf der Suche nach seinen Vorfahren weiter gehen. > Danke für die Mühe. > mfg > Liane Falzboden > > Betreff: Ernsthausen > Hallo Fr. Falzboden, > > Sie kennen mich nicht persönlich aber Ich bin die Freundin von Kate und > Sie hat mir gesagt ich soll mich an Sie wenden. > > Es geht um die Vorfahren der Familie Andres die nach Banat umsiedelten. > Um diese Forschung betrieben zu können habe ich 2 CD´S gekauft, Pardan > (Kiss Maria ) und St. Hubert, Charleville und Seltour, die mir sehr > geholfen haben. Nun aber komme ich nicht weiter weil ich die > Kirchenunterlagen von Ernsthausen nirgendwo finde. Ich weiß dass bis > 1828 die Unterlagen in Sarca zu finden sind aber danach finde ich nichts > mehr. > Jakob Andres und Georg Andres mit Familien ( Brüder ) sind etwa 1822 von > Kiss Maria nach Ernsthausen gezogen. Georg Andres Junior hat Barbara La > Fleur ( La Flör ) 1839 in St.Hubert geheiratet aber danach in > Ernsthausen gewohnt. Ich suche alles im Zusammenhang mit der Andres > Familie aber ins Besondere suche ich die Kinder dieses Paares die in > Ernsthausen geboren sind. > > Ich hoffe das Sie mich in die richtige Richtung weisen können. > > Im Voraus vielen Dank für Ihre Mühe > > Valerie Andres > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Reinhold Benedik Kolpingstr. 2 D-72250 Freudenstadt

Liebe Listenteilnehmer, ich leite eine Anfrage weiter, wie kann der Fragesteller auf der Suche nach seinen Vorfahren weiter gehen. Danke für die Mühe. mfg Liane Falzboden Betreff: Ernsthausen Hallo Fr. Falzboden, Sie kennen mich nicht persönlich aber Ich bin die Freundin von Kate und Sie hat mir gesagt ich soll mich an Sie wenden. Es geht um die Vorfahren der Familie Andres die nach Banat umsiedelten. Um diese Forschung betrieben zu können habe ich 2 CD´S gekauft, Pardan (Kiss Maria ) und St. Hubert, Charleville und Seltour, die mir sehr geholfen haben. Nun aber komme ich nicht weiter weil ich die Kirchenunterlagen von Ernsthausen nirgendwo finde. Ich weiß dass bis 1828 die Unterlagen in Sarca zu finden sind aber danach finde ich nichts mehr. Jakob Andres und Georg Andres mit Familien ( Brüder ) sind etwa 1822 von Kiss Maria nach Ernsthausen gezogen. Georg Andres Junior hat Barbara La Fleur ( La Flör ) 1839 in St.Hubert geheiratet aber danach in Ernsthausen gewohnt. Ich suche alles im Zusammenhang mit der Andres Familie aber ins Besondere suche ich die Kinder dieses Paares die in Ernsthausen geboren sind. Ich hoffe das Sie mich in die richtige Richtung weisen können. Im Voraus vielen Dank für Ihre Mühe Valerie Andres