A corrected, expanded version of the Josefsdorf-North Dakota family register has, thanks to David Preston, been posted at http://www.boathooks.com/FamilyRegister.htm This new version contains 40-50 pages of new data on North Dakota-Montana Banaters. Dave Dreyer

thank you so much to all for your help. This is the person that I've been looking for. Is there an original document also for his death? You are wonderful people. Brigitte Wolf -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de

Hi Brigitte, I couldn't find a death certificate on Ancestry. Phillip Otto is buried in Crown Point Cemetery in Indianapolis and they did have this information on their web site (see attached Genealogy Form) about how to obtain a death certificate. Jeff DEATH CERTIFICATES Indiana State Department of Health: The Indiana State Department of Health provides certified copies of death certificates for ALL Indiana counties starting in 1900. They are also available from the local health department in the county where the death occurred. Proper identification is required. Orders can be placed in person 9:00 a.m.-2:00 p.m. Monday-Friday, or by mail, phone or internet. To request in person: Vital Records office, 6 West Washington Street, Indianapolis, Indiana 46204 By mail: Vital Statistics, Indiana State Department of Health, PO Box 7125, Indianapolis, IN 46206-7125 By phone: (866) 601-0891; FAX: (866) 559-9631 By internet: www.vitalchek.com Information Needed: Full name of the deceased, month/day/year of death or approximate age, place of death (county/ city/hospital), your relationship to the deceased, as well as any additional information you can provide, such as the deceased's father's name, mother's maiden name, Social Security number, name of spouse, etc. The reason for requesting the certificate and the number of copies is also needed. Cost: Death certificates are $8.00 each. Additional copies of the same certificate are $4.00 each. Written requests can be paid by personal check or money order. Phone and fax requests require a credit card. You must also provide a copy of identification with your signature on it. Marion County Health Department The Marion County Health Department provides death certificates for MARION COUNTY ONLY, starting from September 1872. They can be obtained in person, by mail, or by internet. To request in person or in writing: Marion County Health Department, Hasbrook Building, 1st Floor, 3838 N. Rural St., Indianapolis, IN 46205. Phone: (317) 221-2400 (questions only - no requests). E-mail: [email protected] By internet: www.vitalchek.com Cost: $15 each. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brigitte Wolf Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:36 AM To: DVHH Liste; Mailingliste Banat-L Subject: [DVHH] checkup thank you so much to all for your help. This is the person that I've been looking for. Is there an original document also for his death? You are wonderful people. Brigitte Wolf -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Thanks to everyone for the information. This gives me more leads to track down and determine if indeed this is the correct Josef Huepfel. It is wonderful to have others to assist. Maria -----Original Message----- From: Dave Dreyer [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 1:16 PM To: Paul Clark; Fran Matkovich; Maria Moore; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz book Paul et al. I expect that you are on the right track. It is not at all unusual for birth dates to be off by days and months when comparing records generated here with those from the Banat. For one thing people often got the baptism date confused with the birth date. In this Huepfel case it is likely that the matter can be resolved by finding the guy in the passenger ship records and comparing that data with that in the family book. A further check would be finding his WW I draft registration record which would givean exact birth date and (if you are lucky) a place of birth. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Clark" <[email protected]> To: "Fran Matkovich" <[email protected]>; "Maria Moore" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz book > Some information on the book is available at > http://www.banatbooks.com/FamilienbuchList.htm > > PS: The Grabatz book can be ordered from Grabatz HOG, Alfred Ivanov, > Am Hasenlauf 23, D-67591 Offstein; There is some Email information on > the web site. > > I just mailed him cash US post to Germany and in a couple of weeks the > book arrived. It is a two book set in hard cover that requires about 4 > inches of shelve space and cost a bit more than some of the CD books. > I only have one direct line from Grabatz for my family, but several of > my distant cousins have Grabatz connections and the books have been a > good resource. > > Paul Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Clark <[email protected]> > To: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]>; Maria Moore > <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz > > > > In Grabatz book > > 2330 HÜPFEL Karl, 2313.5 > * 03.11.1851 Grabatz > oo K 12.01.1875 Grabatz > SCHILLING Barbara, 4713.10 > * 31.07.1854 Grabatz > > I had overlooked one Josef who is a son of the couple below and > probably the one but still one month off. > > 2332 HÜPFEL Philipp 2313.9 (brother of Karl above) > * 07.11.1858 Grabatz > oo K 06.07.1880 Grabatz (Tz: Michael Henzl, Michael HÜPFEL) Manjet > Magdalena 3262.12 > *16.09.1858 Grabatz > > 1. Josef *25.01.1881 in Grabatz > 2. Elisabeth *21.12.1882 Grabatz > 3. Theresia *27.07.1884 Grabatz > > Paten: 1. Josef Erling, Theresia HÜPFEL > > There are four more generations of HÜPFEL back to Michael HÜPFEL *um > 1716 Podersdorf +21.01.1770 Grabatz and spouse Anna Maria Unknown > *1720 Burgenland + 1765 Boglar > > Two other possible Josef both born in 1881 > > Josef *15.09.1881 Grabatz son of Johann HÜPFEL and Theresia HÜPFEL > > Josef *15.07.1881 Grabatz son of Karl HÜPFEL and Barbara Shilling. > There are 4 more siblings in the Grabatz book bottom of page 550 Josef > *1874, Barbara *1878, Franz *1880, Johann * 1884 Appears this couple > moved back and forth between Deutsch Zerne and Grabatz > > There is more information on most of these people, but I only have the > book in hard copy, so not providing it at this time. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]> > To: Paul Clark <[email protected]>; Maria Moore <[email protected]>; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > The > following HÜPFEL are from the Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch. Perhaps they > are related, as the first one refers back to Grabatz. > > 4014 > HÜPFEL Karl, Taglöhner > * e 1851 Grabatz +/bgr 11/12.06.1928 SZ/DZ SZ Haus Nr. 725 vh > SCHILLINGER Barbara, SZ > * Grabatz > 1. Jakob * e 1877 Grabatz <4015> > 2. Anna */~ 08/09.07.1883 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schillinger, Anna > Schillinger <12189> 3. Johann */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ P.: Johann > Schäfer, Theresia Schleimer <4016> 4. Anton */~ 12/13.03.1892 SZ/DZ > +/bgr 19/20.09.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Anton Stiebl, Franziska Weissmann 5. > Franz */~ 17/18.02.1894 SZ/DZ +/bgr 11/12.02.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Franz > Kremer, Barbara Schillinger 6. Franz Karl Josef */~ 18/19.03.1897 > SZ/DZ P.: Franz Walter, Elisabetha Behring <4017> > 4015 > HÜPFEL Jakob <4014.1>, Taglöhner, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara > * e 1877 Grabatz +/bgr 09/11.08.1924 DZ, Typhus Haus Nr. 725, 817, DZ > 146, ab 29.06.1906 in Cleveland vh K 29.01.1900 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ > Jakob Schillinger, Nikolaus Kampf) NEUMAYER Eva <7804.5>, T.v. N. > Heinrich und KAMPF Katharina */~ 11.02.1877 DZ +/bgr 30.04/01.05.1935 > DZ, Asthma 1. Johann */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Gabor, Anna > Hüpfel <4018> 2. Gertrud */~ 23/25.06.1902 DZ P.: Anton Kremer, Anton > Neumajer <10401> 3. Franz */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, > Katharina Krausshaar <4019> 4. Eva */~ 06/12.10.1920 DZ P.: Ludwig > Meumayer, Eva Schummer <10557> > 4016 > HÜPFEL Johann <4014.3>, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara */~ > 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ ab 19.12.1909 mit Familie in Cleveland vh K > 15.02.1909 St.-Georgen TITZ Barbara > * 15.06.1887 Tschesterlek > 4017 > HÜPFEL Franz Karl Josef <4014.6>, Bäcker, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER > Barbara */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ auch Hipfel vh K 09.01.1919 DZ (ledig, > ledig, TZ Franz Walter, Josef Majer) TABAR Anna Maria <11185.6>, T.v. > T. Michael und MAYER Maria */~ 24/30.05.1898 DZ 1. Johann */~ > 25/26.10.1919 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Elisabetha Mayer > 4018 > HÜPFEL Johann <4015.1>, Musikant, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ > 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ > vh K 18.06.1925 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Josef Wagner, Anton Strobl) > BOCKMÜLLER Maria Anna <1092.3>, T.v. B. Nikolaus und LICHTFUß > Katharina */~ 09/10.07.1902 SZ/DZ 1. Jakob Johann */~ 16/23.08.1925 DZ > 2. Eva */~ 21/28.02.1929 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Eva Bauer (geb. > Bockmüller) > Firmung am 11.05.1938 > 4019 > HÜPFEL Franz <4015.3>, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ > 20/26.05.1912 DZ vh K 16.06.1935 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Nikolaus > Feuerholz, Mathias Ludwig, Anton Spengler) SEHR Magdalena <10146.3>, > T.v. S. Anton und FEUERHOLZ Anna */~ 05/06.12.1914 DZ 1. Jakob */~ > 09/13.06.1937 DZ +/bgr 27/29.09.1937 DZ P.: Jakob sehr, Eva Hüpfel 2. > Johann */~ 20/29.10.1939 DZ P.: > Johann Hüpfel, Maria Mayer > 3. Maria */~ 11/17.05.1942 DZ P.: Josef Sehr, Johann Hüpfel, Maria > Wagner (geb. Vichnal) <842> > > > Fran Matkovich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Clark > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:20 AM > To: Maria Moore ; [email protected] ; > [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > Hello, > > In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate spelling of > HŰPFEL. > > There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a > matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but > others might check under the alternate spelling. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maria Moore <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > > I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents > from the Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from > family stories and documents that my father had. I have not been able > to find anything on them in any other records or indexes. I have not > been able to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any > further - I have hit a brick wall. Any information anyone can provide > or point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated. > > Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. > > Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: > > * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary > > * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB > 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. > Konigin Luise. > > Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under > master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to > 1 March > 1908 > as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. > > Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: > > * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar > (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. > Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They > divorced or Josef died. > > > Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: > > * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. > > Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. > > Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: > > * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary > > * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary > > * > Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary > > Thanks, > Maria Moore > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

dear friends please can someone be so kind and check for me if there are any ANCESTRY further information or document to the person? The data are from family search. Thank you very much Brigitte Wolf, Berin, Germany Phillip Otto, "Indiana, Death Index, 1882-1920" > Name: Phillip Otto > Ereignistyp: Death > Ereignisdatum: 21 Nov 1907 > Ereignisort: Indianapolis, Indiana > Alter: 84 > Geburtsjahr (geschätzt): 1823 > Geschlecht: Male > Rasse: W > Partner-Ort: County Board of Health, Indianapolis > Quellenangabe: The source of this record is the book H-13 on page 221 within the series produced by the Indiana Works Progress Administration. -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de

Brigitte, Here is some additional information: Marriage Information: Indiana, Select Marriages, 1780-1992 about Philip Otto Name: Philip Otto Gender: Male Marriage Date: 27 Oct 1857 Marriage Place: Marion, Indiana Spouse: Elizabeth Laty FHL Film Number: 499368 Reference ID: 641 Source Information: Ancestry.com. Indiana, Select Marriages, 1780-1992 [database on-line]. Provo, UT, USA: Ancestry.com Operations, Inc, 2014. Original data: Indiana, Marriages, 1780-1992. Salt Lake City, Utah: FamilySearch, 2013. **************************************************************************** **** U.S. Civil War Draft Records 1863-1865 (copy attached): Name: Philip Otto Residence: Indianapolis, Marion, Indiana Class: 2 Congressional District: 6th Age on 1 July 1863: 41 Estimated birth year: abt 1822 Race: White Place of Birth: Germany -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brigitte Wolf Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:30 PM To: DVHH Liste; Mailingliste Banat-L Subject: [DVHH] look up please dear friends please can someone be so kind and check for me if there are any ANCESTRY further information or document to the person? The data are from family search. Thank you very much Brigitte Wolf, Berin, Germany Phillip Otto, "Indiana, Death Index, 1882-1920" > Name: Phillip Otto > Ereignistyp: Death > Ereignisdatum: 21 Nov 1907 > Ereignisort: Indianapolis, Indiana > Alter: 84 > Geburtsjahr (geschätzt): 1823 > Geschlecht: Male > Rasse: W > Partner-Ort: County Board of Health, Indianapolis > Quellenangabe: The source of this record is the book H-13 on page 221 within the series produced by the Indiana Works Progress Administration. -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Brigitte, There is a Phillip Otto listed in the 1870 US Census living in Indianapolis, Indiana, with a birth year of approx. 1824, and a birthplace of Prussia. He is listed as having a wife, Elizabeth, age 38, and three children - Elizabeth (age 11), Fred (age 7), and Henry (age 5). There is also a US Civil War Draft Record for Phillip Otto of Indianapolis, born 1823, and a photo of the grave marker for Phillip Otto (1823-1907) from a cemetery in Indiana. Does this sound like the right person to you? If so, let me know and I'll send you the info I've found. There's likely more information also, but this is what came up pretty quickly. Cheers, Linda On Mar 29, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Brigitte Wolf wrote: > dear friends > please can someone be so kind and check for me if there are any ANCESTRY further information or document to the person? > The data are from family search. > Thank you very much > Brigitte Wolf, Berin, Germany > > Phillip Otto, "Indiana, Death Index, 1882-1920" >> Name: Phillip Otto >> Ereignistyp: Death >> Ereignisdatum: 21 Nov 1907 >> Ereignisort: Indianapolis, Indiana >> Alter: 84 >> Geburtsjahr (geschätzt): 1823 >> Geschlecht: Male >> Rasse: W >> Partner-Ort: County Board of Health, Indianapolis >> Quellenangabe: The source of this record is the book H-13 on page 221 within the series produced by the Indiana Works Progress Administration. > > -- > [email protected] > Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: > http://www.sekitsch.de > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Brigitte, I did a quick check and found this: 1870 census information on him (copy attached) Name: Phillip Otto Age in 1870: 46 Birth Year: abt 1824 Birthplace: Prussia Home in 1870: Indianapolis Ward 7, Marion, Indiana Race: White Gender: Male Post Office: Indianapolis Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Phillip Otto 46 Elizabeth Otto 38 Elizabeth Otto 11 Fred Otto 7 Henry Otto 5 His grave is listed in Find A Grave and has a picture: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=OT&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel =all&GSst=17&GScntry=4&GSsr=1921&GRid=45986661& Regards, Jeff -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brigitte Wolf Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:30 PM To: DVHH Liste; Mailingliste Banat-L Subject: [DVHH] look up please dear friends please can someone be so kind and check for me if there are any ANCESTRY further information or document to the person? The data are from family search. Thank you very much Brigitte Wolf, Berin, Germany Phillip Otto, "Indiana, Death Index, 1882-1920" > Name: Phillip Otto > Ereignistyp: Death > Ereignisdatum: 21 Nov 1907 > Ereignisort: Indianapolis, Indiana > Alter: 84 > Geburtsjahr (geschätzt): 1823 > Geschlecht: Male > Rasse: W > Partner-Ort: County Board of Health, Indianapolis > Quellenangabe: The source of this record is the book H-13 on page 221 within the series produced by the Indiana Works Progress Administration. -- [email protected] Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from Sekitsch: http://www.sekitsch.de ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

On Mar 29, 2014, at 3:02 PM, Shelley Gregory wrote: > Try this: your link did not work. > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=OTTO&GSfn=phillip&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=17&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GRid=45986661&df=all& > On Mar 29, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Jeff Rau wrote: > >> Brigitte, >> >> I did a quick check and found this: >> >> 1870 census information on him (copy attached) >> Name: Phillip Otto >> Age in 1870: 46 >> Birth Year: abt 1824 >> Birthplace: Prussia >> Home in 1870: Indianapolis Ward 7, Marion, Indiana >> Race: White >> Gender: Male >> Post Office: Indianapolis >> Value of real estate: View image >> Household Members: >> Name Age >> Phillip Otto 46 >> Elizabeth Otto 38 >> Elizabeth Otto 11 >> Fred Otto 7 >> Henry Otto 5 >> >> His grave is listed in Find A Grave and has a picture: >> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=OT&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel >> =all&GSst=17&GScntry=4&GSsr=1921&GRid=45986661& >> >> Regards, >> Jeff >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Brigitte >> Wolf >> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 2:30 PM >> To: DVHH Liste; Mailingliste Banat-L >> Subject: [DVHH] look up please >> >> dear friends >> please can someone be so kind and check for me if there are any ANCESTRY >> further information or document to the person? >> The data are from family search. >> Thank you very much >> Brigitte Wolf, Berin, Germany >> >> Phillip Otto, "Indiana, Death Index, 1882-1920" >>> Name: Phillip Otto >>> Ereignistyp: Death >>> Ereignisdatum: 21 Nov 1907 >>> Ereignisort: Indianapolis, Indiana >>> Alter: 84 >>> Geburtsjahr (geschätzt): 1823 >>> Geschlecht: Male >>> Rasse: W >>> Partner-Ort: County Board of Health, Indianapolis >>> Quellenangabe: The source of this record is the book H-13 on page 221 >> within the series produced by the Indiana Works Progress Administration. >> >> -- >> [email protected] >> Ortsgeschichte und Familien von Sekitsch / Village history and families from >> Sekitsch: >> http://www.sekitsch.de >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Paul et al. I expect that you are on the right track. It is not at all unusual for birth dates to be off by days and months when comparing records generated here with those from the Banat. For one thing people often got the baptism date confused with the birth date. In this Huepfel case it is likely that the matter can be resolved by finding the guy in the passenger ship records and comparing that data with that in the family book. A further check would be finding his WW I draft registration record which would givean exact birth date and (if you are lucky) a place of birth. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Clark" <[email protected]> To: "Fran Matkovich" <[email protected]>; "Maria Moore" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 4:53 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz book > Some information on the book is available at > http://www.banatbooks.com/FamilienbuchList.htm > > PS: The Grabatz book can be ordered from Grabatz HOG, Alfred Ivanov, Am > Hasenlauf 23, D-67591 Offstein; > There is some Email information on the web site. > > I just mailed him cash US post to Germany and in a couple of weeks the > book arrived. It is a two book set in hard cover that requires about 4 > inches of shelve space and cost a bit more than some of the CD books. I > only have one direct line from Grabatz for my family, but several of my > distant cousins have Grabatz connections and the books have been a good > resource. > > Paul Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Clark <[email protected]> > To: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]>; Maria Moore > <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz > > > > In Grabatz book > > 2330 HÜPFEL Karl, 2313.5 > * 03.11.1851 Grabatz > oo K 12.01.1875 Grabatz > SCHILLING Barbara, 4713.10 > * 31.07.1854 Grabatz > > I had overlooked one Josef who is a son of the couple below and probably > the one but still one month off. > > 2332 HÜPFEL Philipp 2313.9 (brother of Karl above) > * 07.11.1858 Grabatz > oo K 06.07.1880 Grabatz (Tz: Michael Henzl, Michael HÜPFEL) > Manjet Magdalena 3262.12 > *16.09.1858 Grabatz > > 1. Josef *25.01.1881 in Grabatz > 2. Elisabeth *21.12.1882 Grabatz > 3. Theresia *27.07.1884 Grabatz > > Paten: 1. Josef Erling, Theresia HÜPFEL > > There are four more generations of HÜPFEL back to Michael HÜPFEL *um 1716 > Podersdorf +21.01.1770 Grabatz and spouse Anna Maria Unknown *1720 > Burgenland + 1765 Boglar > > Two other possible Josef both born in 1881 > > Josef *15.09.1881 Grabatz son of Johann HÜPFEL and Theresia HÜPFEL > > Josef *15.07.1881 Grabatz son of Karl HÜPFEL and Barbara Shilling. There > are 4 more siblings in the Grabatz book bottom of page 550 Josef *1874, > Barbara *1878, Franz *1880, Johann * 1884 Appears this couple moved back > and forth between Deutsch Zerne and Grabatz > > There is more information on most of these people, but I only have the > book in hard copy, so not providing it at this time. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]> > To: Paul Clark <[email protected]>; Maria Moore <[email protected]>; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > The > following HÜPFEL are from the Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch. Perhaps they > are related, as the first one refers back to Grabatz. > > 4014 > HÜPFEL Karl, Taglöhner > * e 1851 Grabatz +/bgr 11/12.06.1928 SZ/DZ > SZ Haus Nr. 725 > vh > SCHILLINGER Barbara, SZ > * Grabatz > 1. Jakob * e 1877 Grabatz <4015> > 2. Anna */~ 08/09.07.1883 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schillinger, Anna Schillinger > <12189> > 3. Johann */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schäfer, Theresia Schleimer > <4016> > 4. Anton */~ 12/13.03.1892 SZ/DZ +/bgr 19/20.09.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Anton > Stiebl, > Franziska Weissmann > 5. Franz */~ 17/18.02.1894 SZ/DZ +/bgr 11/12.02.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Franz > Kremer, > Barbara Schillinger > 6. Franz Karl Josef */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Walter, Elisabetha > Behring <4017> > 4015 > HÜPFEL Jakob <4014.1>, Taglöhner, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara > * e 1877 Grabatz +/bgr 09/11.08.1924 DZ, Typhus > Haus Nr. 725, 817, DZ 146, ab 29.06.1906 in Cleveland > vh K 29.01.1900 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Jakob Schillinger, Nikolaus Kampf) > NEUMAYER Eva <7804.5>, T.v. N. Heinrich und KAMPF Katharina > */~ 11.02.1877 DZ +/bgr 30.04/01.05.1935 DZ, Asthma > 1. Johann */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Gabor, Anna Hüpfel <4018> > 2. Gertrud */~ 23/25.06.1902 DZ P.: Anton Kremer, Anton Neumajer <10401> > 3. Franz */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Katharina Krausshaar > <4019> > 4. Eva */~ 06/12.10.1920 DZ P.: Ludwig Meumayer, > Eva Schummer <10557> > 4016 > HÜPFEL Johann <4014.3>, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara > */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ > ab 19.12.1909 mit Familie in Cleveland > vh K 15.02.1909 St.-Georgen > TITZ Barbara > * 15.06.1887 Tschesterlek > 4017 > HÜPFEL Franz Karl Josef <4014.6>, Bäcker, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER > Barbara > */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ > auch Hipfel > vh K 09.01.1919 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Franz Walter, Josef Majer) > TABAR Anna Maria <11185.6>, T.v. T. Michael und MAYER Maria > */~ 24/30.05.1898 DZ > 1. Johann */~ 25/26.10.1919 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Elisabetha Mayer > 4018 > HÜPFEL Johann <4015.1>, Musikant, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva > */~ > 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ > vh K 18.06.1925 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Josef Wagner, Anton Strobl) > BOCKMÜLLER Maria Anna <1092.3>, T.v. B. Nikolaus und LICHTFUß Katharina > */~ 09/10.07.1902 SZ/DZ > 1. Jakob Johann */~ 16/23.08.1925 DZ > 2. Eva */~ 21/28.02.1929 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Eva Bauer (geb. > Bockmüller) > Firmung am 11.05.1938 > 4019 > HÜPFEL Franz <4015.3>, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva > */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ > vh K 16.06.1935 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Nikolaus Feuerholz, Mathias Ludwig, > Anton Spengler) > SEHR Magdalena <10146.3>, T.v. S. Anton und FEUERHOLZ Anna > */~ 05/06.12.1914 DZ > 1. Jakob */~ 09/13.06.1937 DZ +/bgr 27/29.09.1937 DZ P.: Jakob sehr, Eva > Hüpfel > 2. Johann */~ 20/29.10.1939 DZ P.: > Johann Hüpfel, Maria Mayer > 3. Maria */~ 11/17.05.1942 DZ P.: Josef Sehr, Johann Hüpfel, Maria Wagner > (geb. Vichnal) <842> > > > Fran Matkovich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Clark > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:20 AM > To: Maria Moore ; [email protected] ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > Hello, > > In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate > spelling of HŰPFEL. > > There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a > matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but others > might check under the alternate spelling. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maria Moore <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > > I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from > the > Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories > and documents that my father had. I have not been able to find anything on > them in any other records or indexes. I have not been able to verify the > names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick > wall. Any information anyone can provide > or point me in the right direction > is greatly appreciated. > > Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. > > Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: > > * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary > > * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB > 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. > Konigin Luise. > > Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under > master > ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March > 1908 > as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. > > Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: > > * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar > (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. > Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They > divorced or Josef died. > > > Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: > > * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. > > Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. > > Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: > > * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary > > * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary > > * > Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary > > Thanks, > Maria Moore > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Mt. Angel Travellers, It has been now confirmed that Stasa Cvetkovic will give us a presentation at our upcoming DS Mt. Angel conference come September 12th to 14th 2014: Stasa has just received his visa entry for the USA. Our good fortune!!! Many of you have travelled with Stasa in the Serbian Banat and Batschka, or are planning to do so in near future. What a great opportunity to meet Stasa right here on our soil. This scribe has been advised that the 2014 program will be posted soon at www.danube-swabians.org/MtAngel. I am looking forwards to meet Stasa and you come September! Greetings from Vancouver Island, Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

Some information on the book is available at http://www.banatbooks.com/FamilienbuchList.htm   PS:  The Grabatz book can be ordered from Grabatz HOG, Alfred Ivanov, Am Hasenlauf 23, D-67591 Offstein; There is some Email information on the web site.   I just mailed him cash US post to Germany and in a couple of weeks the book arrived.  It is a two book set in hard cover that requires about 4 inches of shelve space and cost a bit more than some of the CD books.  I only have one direct line from Grabatz for my family, but several of my distant cousins have Grabatz connections and the books have been a good resource.   Paul Clark ________________________________ From: Paul Clark <[email protected]> To: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]>; Maria Moore <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz In Grabatz book   2330 HÜPFEL Karl, 2313.5 * 03.11.1851 Grabatz oo K 12.01.1875 Grabatz SCHILLING Barbara, 4713.10 * 31.07.1854 Grabatz I had overlooked one Josef who is a son of the couple below and probably the one but still one month off. 2332 HÜPFEL Philipp 2313.9 (brother of Karl above) * 07.11.1858 Grabatz oo K 06.07.1880 Grabatz (Tz: Michael Henzl, Michael HÜPFEL) Manjet Magdalena 3262.12 *16.09.1858 Grabatz 1. Josef *25.01.1881 in Grabatz 2. Elisabeth *21.12.1882 Grabatz 3. Theresia *27.07.1884 Grabatz Paten: 1. Josef Erling, Theresia HÜPFEL There are four more generations of HÜPFEL back to Michael HÜPFEL *um 1716 Podersdorf  +21.01.1770 Grabatz and spouse Anna Maria Unknown *1720 Burgenland + 1765 Boglar Two other possible Josef both born in 1881 Josef *15.09.1881 Grabatz son of Johann HÜPFEL and Theresia HÜPFEL Josef *15.07.1881 Grabatz son of Karl HÜPFEL and Barbara Shilling.  There are 4 more siblings in the Grabatz book bottom of page 550 Josef *1874, Barbara *1878, Franz *1880,  Johann * 1884  Appears this couple moved back and forth between Deutsch Zerne and Grabatz There is more information on most of these people, but I only have the book in hard copy, so not providing it at this time. Paul  Quentin Clark ________________________________ From: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]> To: Paul Clark <[email protected]>; Maria Moore <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda The following HÜPFEL are from the Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch.  Perhaps they are related, as the first one refers back to Grabatz. 4014 HÜPFEL Karl, Taglöhner * e 1851 Grabatz +/bgr 11/12.06.1928 SZ/DZ SZ Haus Nr. 725 vh SCHILLINGER Barbara, SZ * Grabatz 1. Jakob * e 1877 Grabatz <4015> 2. Anna */~ 08/09.07.1883 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schillinger, Anna Schillinger <12189> 3. Johann */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schäfer, Theresia Schleimer <4016> 4. Anton */~ 12/13.03.1892 SZ/DZ +/bgr 19/20.09.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Anton Stiebl, Franziska Weissmann 5. Franz */~ 17/18.02.1894 SZ/DZ +/bgr 11/12.02.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Kremer, Barbara Schillinger 6. Franz Karl Josef */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Walter, Elisabetha Behring <4017> 4015 HÜPFEL Jakob <4014.1>, Taglöhner, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara * e 1877 Grabatz +/bgr 09/11.08.1924 DZ, Typhus Haus Nr. 725, 817, DZ 146, ab 29.06.1906 in Cleveland vh K 29.01.1900 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Jakob Schillinger, Nikolaus Kampf) NEUMAYER Eva <7804.5>, T.v. N. Heinrich und KAMPF Katharina */~ 11.02.1877 DZ +/bgr 30.04/01.05.1935 DZ, Asthma 1. Johann */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Gabor, Anna Hüpfel <4018> 2. Gertrud */~ 23/25.06.1902 DZ P.: Anton Kremer, Anton Neumajer <10401> 3. Franz */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Katharina Krausshaar <4019> 4. Eva */~ 06/12.10.1920 DZ P.: Ludwig Meumayer, Eva Schummer <10557> 4016 HÜPFEL Johann <4014.3>, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ ab 19.12.1909 mit Familie in Cleveland vh K 15.02.1909 St.-Georgen TITZ Barbara * 15.06.1887 Tschesterlek 4017 HÜPFEL Franz Karl Josef <4014.6>, Bäcker, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ auch Hipfel vh K 09.01.1919 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Franz Walter, Josef Majer) TABAR Anna Maria <11185.6>, T.v. T. Michael und MAYER Maria */~ 24/30.05.1898 DZ 1. Johann */~ 25/26.10.1919 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Elisabetha Mayer 4018 HÜPFEL Johann <4015.1>, Musikant, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ vh K 18.06.1925 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Josef Wagner, Anton Strobl) BOCKMÜLLER Maria Anna <1092.3>, T.v. B. Nikolaus und LICHTFUß Katharina */~ 09/10.07.1902 SZ/DZ 1. Jakob Johann */~ 16/23.08.1925 DZ 2. Eva */~ 21/28.02.1929 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Eva Bauer (geb. Bockmüller) Firmung am 11.05.1938 4019 HÜPFEL Franz <4015.3>, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ vh K 16.06.1935 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Nikolaus Feuerholz, Mathias Ludwig, Anton Spengler) SEHR Magdalena <10146.3>, T.v. S. Anton und FEUERHOLZ Anna */~ 05/06.12.1914 DZ 1. Jakob */~ 09/13.06.1937 DZ +/bgr 27/29.09.1937 DZ P.: Jakob sehr, Eva Hüpfel 2. Johann */~ 20/29.10.1939 DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Maria Mayer 3. Maria */~ 11/17.05.1942 DZ P.: Josef Sehr, Johann Hüpfel, Maria Wagner (geb. Vichnal) <842> Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: Paul Clark Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:20 AM To: Maria Moore ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda Hello, In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate spelling of HŰPFEL. There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but others might check under the alternate spelling. Paul Quentin Clark ________________________________ From: Maria Moore <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from the Banat.  What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories and documents that my father had.  I have not been able to find anything on them in any other records or indexes.  I have not been able to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick wall.  Any information anyone can provide or point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated. Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: *        Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary *        Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL.  Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. Konigin Luise. Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March 1908 as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: *        Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They divorced or Josef died. Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: *        Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: *        Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary *        Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary *        Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary Thanks, Maria Moore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In Grabatz book   2330 HÜPFEL Karl, 2313.5 * 03.11.1851 Grabatz oo K 12.01.1875 Grabatz SCHILLING Barbara, 4713.10 * 31.07.1854 Grabatz   I had overlooked one Josef who is a son of the couple below and probably the one but still one month off.   2332 HÜPFEL Philipp 2313.9 (brother of Karl above) * 07.11.1858 Grabatz oo K 06.07.1880 Grabatz (Tz: Michael Henzl, Michael HÜPFEL) Manjet Magdalena 3262.12 *16.09.1858 Grabatz   1. Josef *25.01.1881 in Grabatz 2. Elisabeth *21.12.1882 Grabatz 3. Theresia *27.07.1884 Grabatz   Paten: 1. Josef Erling, Theresia HÜPFEL   There are four more generations of HÜPFEL back to Michael HÜPFEL *um 1716 Podersdorf  +21.01.1770 Grabatz and spouse Anna Maria Unknown *1720 Burgenland + 1765 Boglar   Two other possible Josef both born in 1881   Josef *15.09.1881 Grabatz son of Johann HÜPFEL and Theresia HÜPFEL   Josef *15.07.1881 Grabatz son of Karl HÜPFEL and Barbara Shilling.  There are 4 more siblings in the Grabatz book bottom of page 550 Josef *1874, Barbara *1878, Franz *1880,  Johann * 1884  Appears this couple moved back and forth between Deutsch Zerne and Grabatz   There is more information on most of these people, but I only have the book in hard copy, so not providing it at this time.   Paul  Quentin Clark ________________________________ From: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]> To: Paul Clark <[email protected]>; Maria Moore <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:02 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda The following HÜPFEL are from the Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch.  Perhaps they are related, as the first one refers back to Grabatz. 4014 HÜPFEL Karl, Taglöhner * e 1851 Grabatz +/bgr 11/12.06.1928 SZ/DZ SZ Haus Nr. 725 vh SCHILLINGER Barbara, SZ * Grabatz 1. Jakob * e 1877 Grabatz <4015> 2. Anna */~ 08/09.07.1883 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schillinger, Anna Schillinger <12189> 3. Johann */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schäfer, Theresia Schleimer <4016> 4. Anton */~ 12/13.03.1892 SZ/DZ +/bgr 19/20.09.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Anton Stiebl, Franziska Weissmann 5. Franz */~ 17/18.02.1894 SZ/DZ +/bgr 11/12.02.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Kremer, Barbara Schillinger 6. Franz Karl Josef */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Walter, Elisabetha Behring <4017> 4015 HÜPFEL Jakob <4014.1>, Taglöhner, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara * e 1877 Grabatz +/bgr 09/11.08.1924 DZ, Typhus Haus Nr. 725, 817, DZ 146, ab 29.06.1906 in Cleveland vh K 29.01.1900 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Jakob Schillinger, Nikolaus Kampf) NEUMAYER Eva <7804.5>, T.v. N. Heinrich und KAMPF Katharina */~ 11.02.1877 DZ +/bgr 30.04/01.05.1935 DZ, Asthma 1. Johann */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Gabor, Anna Hüpfel <4018> 2. Gertrud */~ 23/25.06.1902 DZ P.: Anton Kremer, Anton Neumajer <10401> 3. Franz */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Katharina Krausshaar <4019> 4. Eva */~ 06/12.10.1920 DZ P.: Ludwig Meumayer, Eva Schummer <10557> 4016 HÜPFEL Johann <4014.3>, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ ab 19.12.1909 mit Familie in Cleveland vh K 15.02.1909 St.-Georgen TITZ Barbara * 15.06.1887 Tschesterlek 4017 HÜPFEL Franz Karl Josef <4014.6>, Bäcker, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ auch Hipfel vh K 09.01.1919 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Franz Walter, Josef Majer) TABAR Anna Maria <11185.6>, T.v. T. Michael und MAYER Maria */~ 24/30.05.1898 DZ 1. Johann */~ 25/26.10.1919 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Elisabetha Mayer 4018 HÜPFEL Johann <4015.1>, Musikant, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ vh K 18.06.1925 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Josef Wagner, Anton Strobl) BOCKMÜLLER Maria Anna <1092.3>, T.v. B. Nikolaus und LICHTFUß Katharina */~ 09/10.07.1902 SZ/DZ 1. Jakob Johann */~ 16/23.08.1925 DZ 2. Eva */~ 21/28.02.1929 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Eva Bauer (geb. Bockmüller) Firmung am 11.05.1938 4019 HÜPFEL Franz <4015.3>, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ vh K 16.06.1935 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Nikolaus Feuerholz, Mathias Ludwig, Anton Spengler) SEHR Magdalena <10146.3>, T.v. S. Anton und FEUERHOLZ Anna */~ 05/06.12.1914 DZ 1. Jakob */~ 09/13.06.1937 DZ +/bgr 27/29.09.1937 DZ P.: Jakob sehr, Eva Hüpfel 2. Johann */~ 20/29.10.1939 DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Maria Mayer 3. Maria */~ 11/17.05.1942 DZ P.: Josef Sehr, Johann Hüpfel, Maria Wagner (geb. Vichnal) <842> Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: Paul Clark Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:20 AM To: Maria Moore ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda Hello, In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate spelling of HŰPFEL. There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but others might check under the alternate spelling. Paul Quentin Clark ________________________________ From: Maria Moore <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from the Banat.  What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories and documents that my father had.  I have not been able to find anything on them in any other records or indexes.  I have not been able to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick wall.  Any information anyone can provide or point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated. Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: *        Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary *        Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL.  Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. Konigin Luise. Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March 1908 as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: *        Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They divorced or Josef died. Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: *        Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: *        Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary *        Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary *        Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary Thanks, Maria Moore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The following HÜPFEL are from the Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch. Perhaps they are related, as the first one refers back to Grabatz. 4014 HÜPFEL Karl, Taglöhner * e 1851 Grabatz +/bgr 11/12.06.1928 SZ/DZ SZ Haus Nr. 725 vh SCHILLINGER Barbara, SZ * Grabatz 1. Jakob * e 1877 Grabatz <4015> 2. Anna */~ 08/09.07.1883 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schillinger, Anna Schillinger <12189> 3. Johann */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schäfer, Theresia Schleimer <4016> 4. Anton */~ 12/13.03.1892 SZ/DZ +/bgr 19/20.09.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Anton Stiebl, Franziska Weissmann 5. Franz */~ 17/18.02.1894 SZ/DZ +/bgr 11/12.02.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Kremer, Barbara Schillinger 6. Franz Karl Josef */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Walter, Elisabetha Behring <4017> 4015 HÜPFEL Jakob <4014.1>, Taglöhner, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara * e 1877 Grabatz +/bgr 09/11.08.1924 DZ, Typhus Haus Nr. 725, 817, DZ 146, ab 29.06.1906 in Cleveland vh K 29.01.1900 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Jakob Schillinger, Nikolaus Kampf) NEUMAYER Eva <7804.5>, T.v. N. Heinrich und KAMPF Katharina */~ 11.02.1877 DZ +/bgr 30.04/01.05.1935 DZ, Asthma 1. Johann */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Gabor, Anna Hüpfel <4018> 2. Gertrud */~ 23/25.06.1902 DZ P.: Anton Kremer, Anton Neumajer <10401> 3. Franz */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Katharina Krausshaar <4019> 4. Eva */~ 06/12.10.1920 DZ P.: Ludwig Meumayer, Eva Schummer <10557> 4016 HÜPFEL Johann <4014.3>, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ ab 19.12.1909 mit Familie in Cleveland vh K 15.02.1909 St.-Georgen TITZ Barbara * 15.06.1887 Tschesterlek 4017 HÜPFEL Franz Karl Josef <4014.6>, Bäcker, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ auch Hipfel vh K 09.01.1919 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Franz Walter, Josef Majer) TABAR Anna Maria <11185.6>, T.v. T. Michael und MAYER Maria */~ 24/30.05.1898 DZ 1. Johann */~ 25/26.10.1919 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Elisabetha Mayer 4018 HÜPFEL Johann <4015.1>, Musikant, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ vh K 18.06.1925 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Josef Wagner, Anton Strobl) BOCKMÜLLER Maria Anna <1092.3>, T.v. B. Nikolaus und LICHTFUß Katharina */~ 09/10.07.1902 SZ/DZ 1. Jakob Johann */~ 16/23.08.1925 DZ 2. Eva */~ 21/28.02.1929 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Eva Bauer (geb. Bockmüller) Firmung am 11.05.1938 4019 HÜPFEL Franz <4015.3>, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ vh K 16.06.1935 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Nikolaus Feuerholz, Mathias Ludwig, Anton Spengler) SEHR Magdalena <10146.3>, T.v. S. Anton und FEUERHOLZ Anna */~ 05/06.12.1914 DZ 1. Jakob */~ 09/13.06.1937 DZ +/bgr 27/29.09.1937 DZ P.: Jakob sehr, Eva Hüpfel 2. Johann */~ 20/29.10.1939 DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Maria Mayer 3. Maria */~ 11/17.05.1942 DZ P.: Josef Sehr, Johann Hüpfel, Maria Wagner (geb. Vichnal) <842> Fran Matkovich -----Original Message----- From: Paul Clark Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:20 AM To: Maria Moore ; [email protected] ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda Hello, In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate spelling of HŰPFEL. There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but others might check under the alternate spelling. Paul Quentin Clark ________________________________ From: Maria Moore <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from the Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories and documents that my father had. I have not been able to find anything on them in any other records or indexes. I have not been able to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick wall. Any information anyone can provide or point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated. Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. Konigin Luise. Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March 1908 as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They divorced or Josef died. Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary * Joseph A. 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Dear list, for my own research in Offsenitz (RO-307013) i ordered for me photos of the entire church books. I've got them now and would like to provide them to other researchers. The following books are included - Births: 1807 - 1901 - Marriages: 1807 - 1905 - Death: 1807 - 1912 The marriage register goes up to 1937 To reduce my own not very low costs, I can offer the pictures (2 DVD's, 1761 photos, around 5.08 GB) including shipping for 25, - EURO. If interested, please send an email to [email protected] Liebe Liste, für meine eigene Forschung in Offsenitz (RO-307013) habe ich mir Fotos der kompletten Kirchenbücher erstellen lassen. Diese habe ich jetzt bekommen und möchte sie auch anderen Forschern zur Verfügung stellen. Es handelt sich um folgende Bücher - Geburten: 1807 - 1901 - Heiraten: 1807 - 1905 - Tod: 1807 - 1912 Das Heiratsregister geht bis 1937 Um meine nicht ganz geringen Kosten wieder ein wenig zu reduzieren kann ich die Fotos (2 DVD´s, 1761 Fotos, ca. 5,08 GB) inkl. Versand für 25,- EURO anbieten. Falls Interesse besteht bitte eine Email an [email protected] schicken. Viele Grüße aus Augsburg / best regards from Augsburg Thomas Makkos ------------------------------ Thomas Makkos ------------------------------ Email: [email protected] ------------------------------

Hello,   In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate spelling of HŰPFEL.   There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but others might check under the alternate spelling.   Paul Quentin Clark   ________________________________ From: Maria Moore <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from the Banat.  What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories and documents that my father had.  I have not been able to find anything on them in any other records or indexes.  I have not been able to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick wall.  Any information anyone can provide or point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated. Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: *        Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary *        Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL.  Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. Konigin Luise. Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March 1908 as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: *        Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert.  Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They divorced or Josef died. Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: *        Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: *        Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary *        Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary *        Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary Thanks, Maria Moore ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Mike, Maria Completion of the St Hubert family book is taking much longer than expected. Poor Karen is doing all the heavy lifting and the cross indexing of the families is an unexpectedly heavy burden. Anyway, I went through our draft and find we have Magdalena in our file. The family block is pasted below. For Gr Kikinda data you will have to wait until Martin Block finishes his Gr Kikinda family book. Dave Dreyer KNAB (KNAP) Aegidius, son of Johann KNAB and Elisabeth HEIM (Mrfld 05173.3) ~22.11.1843 Marienfeld +05.02.1919 Seultour 172, 77 yrs. oo before 1869 RETZLER Maria, dau of Peter RETZLER and Anna LAFLEUR (LAFLÖR) (StH 2805.x) *27.01.1845 Charleville +09.04.1924 Seultour 172, 79 yrs. 1. Anna *ca. 1869 St. Hubert +17.08.1878 St. Hubert 46, 9 yrs. 2. Elisabeth *17.03.1872 Seultour 12 +23.08.1878 Seultour 111, 6 yrs. 3. Magdalena *24.12.1879 Seultour 111 4. Franz *22.12.1885 Seultour 111 oo Katharina JAKOB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hess" <[email protected]> To: "Maria Moore" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 5:58 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > Maria: welcome to the list. Are you aware that there is a St . Hubert , > Charleville, Seultor CD/ family book? That might have some of the answers. > > I can look up your related questions after work hours > > Mike Hess > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Maria Moore <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from >> the Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from family >> stories and documents that my father had. I have not been able to find >> anything on them in any other records or indexes. I have not been able >> to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I >> have hit a brick wall. Any information anyone can provide or point me in >> the right direction is greatly appreciated. >> >> Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. >> >> Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: >> >> * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary >> >> * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena >> KNAB 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the >> S.S. Konigin Luise. >> >> Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under >> master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 >> March 1908 as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. >> >> Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: >> >> * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef >> Klar (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. >> Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They >> divorced or Josef died. >> >> >> Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: >> >> * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. >> >> Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. >> >> Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: >> >> * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary >> >> * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary >> >> * Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary >> >> Thanks, >> Maria Moore >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

I just realized that the st Hubert etc family book ends at about 1850. The authors are writing a post 1850 that I believe will be available later this year. Mike Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Maria Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from the Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories and documents that my father had. I have not been able to find anything on them in any other records or indexes. I have not been able to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick wall. Any information anyone can provide or point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated. > > Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. > > Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: > > * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary > > * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. Konigin Luise. > > Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March 1908 as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. > > Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: > > * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They divorced or Josef died. > > > Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: > > * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. > > Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. > > Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: > > * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary > > * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary > > * Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary > > Thanks, > Maria Moore > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Maria: welcome to the list. Are you aware that there is a St . Hubert , Charleville, Seultor CD/ family book? That might have some of the answers. I can look up your related questions after work hours Mike Hess Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 26, 2014, at 10:41 PM, Maria Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > > I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from the Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories and documents that my father had. I have not been able to find anything on them in any other records or indexes. I have not been able to verify the names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick wall. Any information anyone can provide or point me in the right direction is greatly appreciated. > > Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. > > Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: > > * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary > > * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. Konigin Luise. > > Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under master ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March 1908 as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. > > Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: > > * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They divorced or Josef died. > > > Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: > > * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. > > Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. > > Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: > > * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary > > * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary > > * Joseph A. HIPFEL b. 19May1906 in Hungary > > Thanks, > Maria Moore > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message