Linda, It happens because the spelling variants all(mostly) sound the same. You will find a table of the phonetic alphabet for genealogical purposes in any introductory how-to-do publication it for German research and occasionally in the introductory section to German family books. Thus, the names Dreyer and Trier are spelling varients of the same name because they sound the same. The main changes encountered are the interchange of the letters B and P D and T less common is the interchange of k and g. In spoken German, unlike English, all letters are pronounced with the possible exception of h which can be hardly perceptible. There was a big change in the accepted German spelling rules in the 1930s in which h was dropped from the spelling of many words because it was not pronounced. Thus the German word for gate, thor became tor. The common occurrence of sz in names found in Banat records, for example Masszong (or Maszong) which we would normally spell as Massong is a twist introduced by Hungarian influence. When the name is written by a German the Z will be dropped. When one encounters the sz instead of s it is a good sign that the clerk or writer is a Hungarian. One encounters the Hungarian sz variant frequently in the passenger ship records but once in American the spelling reverts to the standard German spelling. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Bautz McKenna" <[email protected]> To: "Marilyn Fedewa" <[email protected]>; "Amanda Kaiser" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? > The spelling variations I've found are often so far apart I cannot figure > how it happened. for instance: Bautz =Pautz=Pauz+ Paucz= Penzer= > Panzer=Peschle and all the B's and P's interchangeable, etc. go > figure....... so don't give up easily !! > > Linda Bautz McKenna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Fedewa" <[email protected]> > To: "Amanda Kaiser" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? > > >> Hi Amanda, >> >> I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as >> Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input >> from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that >> the >> Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear >> some responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when >> the >> priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of >> which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are >> many examples of this among List members. >> >> In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed >> sometimes >> as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with >> the >> umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent >> over the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared >> as >> Hech, Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a >> Holz, >> who escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents >> well, said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is >> how >> we pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, >> and Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's >> surname has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably >> a >> couple more, can't remember at the moment. >> >> Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd >> rather >> first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. >> >> In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi Marilyn, >>> I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but >>> there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know >>> about >>> your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling change. >>> Can >>> I >>> give him you email address so he can confer with you? He is a >>> reasearcher >>> for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found my grandad's >>> brothers >>> and sister. As far as I know my great grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was >>> born >>> in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly married in St Georgen (can't find any >>> records), had children in Grob Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's >>> wedding (my grandad Franz Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and >>> listed as living in Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was >>> deceased >>> at the time of the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just >>> that my grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other >>> family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended up >>> and >>> possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather Nikolaus >>> may >>> be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. >>> Take care >>> :) mandy >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 11:32 AM >>> To: Amanda Kaiser >>> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >>> >>> Hi Mandy, >>> >>> Sorry it took so long to respond to your last email, but our power has >>> finally been restored (from a devastating Michigan ice storm). It's so >>> nice >>> to be home again, warm again, and connected!! I think you got all the >>> info >>> right from the previous emails, as far as I can see on the Banat List >>> and >>> your WikiTree page. In the meantime, here's a couple more thoughts for >>> you >>> . . . . >>> >>> 1 - Did you notice in the recent Banat LIst emails that there is a >>> Michael >>> Kaiser in the group? Looks to me as though his email address puts him in >>> Germany, but you still may benefit from comparing notes with him. >>> >>> 2 - I only just received another file on births in Ernsthausen >>> 1926-1945, >>> and haven't had time to go through it all, but in the first few pages I >>> did >>> see two Kveiser/Kaiser's in there as godparents. One was Jacob >>> Kveiser/Kaser, as godparent in Ernsthausen on November 27,1927, to baby >>> Catharina daughter of Andreas Reb and Angela Waleri/Valeri. The other >>> one >>> was an Elisabeth Kveiser/Kaiser in Ernsthausen on April 22, 1928 as >>> godmother to Jacob daughter of Maria Mayer. Not sure who these Kaisers >>> are, >>> relative to your family tree, but it places them in Ernsthausen at the >>> time. For what it's worth. >>> >>> Wishing you continued good luck on your searches, >>> >>> Marilyn >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Amanda Kaiser >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Hi Marilyn, >>> I am absolutely blown away that you found the information on my great >>> grandad and great great grandparents! If I could, you'd have the biggest >>> hug right now!!! >>> Yes I work in Education, I have 2 jobs, mornings I work with disabled >>> primary school children running specialist programs in Numeracy, >>> Literacy >>> and Speech and in >>> the afternoon/night I work at the tafe (university) with disabled youth >>> and adults assisting them to gain their qualification in the fields they >>> are studying. End of the >>> semester is very busy! Glad to be able to have time off! >>> >>> For the last 6 months a researcher in the banat has been trying to >>> locate >>> my family. I will pass on the information to him as he was completely >>> stumped as well! He >>> managed to locate the records in Grob Betschkerek of my grandad and his >>> brothers & sister. Pretty sure there is another brother as my remembered >>> having 4 uncles, >>> my dad never knew he had an aunty. The researcher knew someone >>> researching >>> St Georgen and couldn't find my great grandfather in any records! >>> >>> So just to get it right... >>> >>> Nikolaus Kaiser born 1871 St Georgen (parents: Theresia (Mort) and >>> Nikolaus Kaiser) >>> married: 26 Nov 1896 in Ernsthausen to wife Elisabeth Schneider >>> (parents: >>> Anna (Pfendt) and Christof Schneider) >>> Children: all born in Ernsthausen >>> 1. Nikolaus 30 Aug 1896 oo Magdalena Gangl >>> 2. Peter 7 April 1898 >>> 3. Mathias 20 May 1900 >>> 4. Franz 18 Dec 1901 >>> >>> I am so thankful! You have really made a difference! Thankyou for >>> spending >>> so much of your time to help. I appreciate it more than you know! >>> I hope you have a great Christmas and a really wonderful New Year! >>> >>> :) Mandy >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>> Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 4:42 AM >>> To: Amanda Kaiser >>> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >>> >>> Hi, I figured we'd hear back from you, just wanted to make sure you >>> didn't >>> have a computer meltdown or something more dire. >>> >>> When you study Dave Dreyer's response to my note in the Banat Listings, >>> you'll see that your great grandparents were actually married in >>> Ernsthausen. He/Miklos/Nikolaus was listed as originally from St. George >>> and living in Botos, or vice versa, can't remember at the moment which >>> way >>> the columns are written. And she/Ersebet/Elisabeth was listed as living >>> in >>> Ernsthausen house #181 & 1/2. Not only that, the priest marked down >>> THEIR >>> parents names, so you'll have info back to your great-greats on both of >>> their sides. >>> >>> I'm so happy I was able to do this (I spent about three hours looking >>> through the records after Dave said they weren't there, just hoping it >>> wasn't so, as I know how weird the handwriting and spelling can be, and >>> how >>> frustrating it can be to find nada -- and so many people on the Banat >>> List >>> have helped me enormously. FYI, the List will be very gratified to hear >>> your response. It is lovely group of very committed competent people, >>> all >>> searching for their own families, and learning as they go). >>> >>> So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY again!! Do I deduce from your email that you work at >>> an >>> educational institution? (I am semi-retired but was with Michigan State >>> University and another college and university for years). All the best >>> to >>> you, Amanda! >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Amanda Kaiser >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>> Hi Marilyn! >>> Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!! >>> I have just read my emails with tears streaming and the biggest smile, I >>> can't believe you were able to find info on my great grandfather! I'm >>> sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been working 12/13 hour >>> days >>> all week! Thank god today was my last day at work...I'm exhausted!!! My >>> grandad and his siblings were all born in Grob Betschkerek. So I think >>> that >>> my great grandfather might have married in Sankt Georgen because he >>> wasn't >>> in the marriage register in Grob Betschkerek. I am so thankful, you have >>> given me the best birthday present ever! I need to re read your email >>> because I read it quickly and rushed to reply. I just wanted to let you >>> know I was ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow once I have another look at >>> the info and after I have a massive sleep in!!!! Yay! Take care and good >>> night >>> :-) mandy >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>> ><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] >>> Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 1:41 AM >>> To: Amanda Kaiser >>> Subject: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >>> >>> Hi Amanda, hope you are okay and wonder if you received the email and >>> Banat postings about your family? I had thought you might be pleased at >>> finding your great granddad. All the best, Marilyn >>> >>> This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally >>> privileged information. 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I would be interested. Bradley J. Kirschenheiter -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Barak Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:21 AM To: BANAT LIST Subject: [BANAT-L] Twin Cities Meeting Count me in too. I really enjoyed this group, our last meeting and the potato pancakes! Dick Barak St Francis, MN ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I also missed the first thread, could someone please fill me in. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Marilyn McClaskey <[email protected]> wrote: > > I would be very interested. I think I missed the beginning of this > thread, but if potato pancakes are involved, it must be good. > > Marilyn Hochban McClaskey > Orono, MN > > At 08:40 AM 4/23/2014, you wrote: >> I would be interested. >> >> >> Bradley J. Kirschenheiter >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >> On Behalf Of Richard Barak >> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:21 AM >> To: BANAT LIST >> Subject: [BANAT-L] Twin Cities Meeting >> >> Count me in too. I really enjoyed this group, our last meeting and >> the potato pancakes! >> >> Dick Barak >> St Francis, MN >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would be very interested. I think I missed the beginning of this thread, but if potato pancakes are involved, it must be good. Marilyn Hochban McClaskey Orono, MN At 08:40 AM 4/23/2014, you wrote: >I would be interested. > > >Bradley J. Kirschenheiter > > > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] >On Behalf Of Richard Barak >Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2014 8:21 AM >To: BANAT LIST >Subject: [BANAT-L] Twin Cities Meeting > >Count me in too. I really enjoyed this group, our last meeting and >the potato pancakes! > >Dick Barak >St Francis, MN > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Count me in too. I really enjoyed this group, our last meeting and the potato pancakes! Dick Barak St Francis, MN

I would be interested, assuming you will accept Romanians. :-) I just "lurk" on the list to learn about Banat history and any tips that may be relevant to ethnic Romanian research. Vicki Albu > On Apr 23, 2014, at 8:21 AM, "Richard Barak" <[email protected]> wrote: > > Count me in too. I really enjoyed this group, our last meeting and the potato pancakes! > > Dick Barak > St Francis, MN > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Friends, I visited the Novi Sad museum several years back and they had an exhibit on the Donauschwabs. It was very interesting. Also, there is an effort to have a museum in Vrbas (sp?) and they have quite a collection. I think they also have a building, but on my last visit it was not open. I managed to run into a young man and his Serbian wife who had made a reservation to see the collection, so I went in with them and his wife translated. They had a great collection. They had the contents of the pharmacy, all these beautiful old oak cabinets and bottles and jars. The ladies there were very friendly and welcoming. At that time they were hoping to open as a museum, but were working on the funding. T hat was my understanding. Anyhow, I agree with the message below that the Serbian people are moving forward. I have always been treated wit h great kindness and hospitality in Serbia. In 2008 I bought an old Donauschwab house in Ravno Selo, which was called Schowe. I have not visited in several years due to illness and other issues, but love my little village and my house and plum orchard is quite beautiful. If anyone reading this is going for a visit, I can help you meet up with some very nice Serbian people who I am sure would help you in your visit find anything you were looking for. At least they did for me. Evelyn Ziegler. If anyone wants to discuss this further my number s 561 308 3266. -----Original Message----- From: Rita Schiwanowitsch <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Tue, Apr 22, 2014 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Exhibition in Belgrade >From what I have heard from others, the exhibit in Belgrade will also focus ainly on the other Serbian ethnic groups that were also victims of Tito's egime. Donauschwaben does not have a large part. I do not know this to be true. Just that this is how someone represented the eb site to me. Perhaps someone that knows Serbian could check out the site and ossibly correct me. Rita > From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:19:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Exhibition in Belgrade Rosina's notice about the exhibition in Belgrade reminds me of my visit last all to the Museum of Vojvodina in Novi Sad. The special exhibition at that time as billed to focus on the Donauschwaben settling in Vojvodina [the western anat], but that actually took up a rather modest part of the exhibition. In ctuality, it was a cultural exhibition encompassing the various ethnic peoples ho occupied the Vojvodina region throughout the 18th to 20th Centuries - with ome deeper history too. The exhibits were sensitively and thoughtfully xecuted, yet I still sensed a slight caricature aspect to the various ethnic dentities. I wondered if we all tend to do this to other cultures in our own useums, and decided it is probably so. All in all, it was enriching to see the ld artifacts and to experience the modern Serbian perspective on the distant ast. Occasionally words can become heated on the Banat list from those most irectly affected by past events. There remains plenty of bitterness to go round in the old Yugoslavia, but average people strive every day to set aside rievance in pursuit of a better life for themselves and their families. hatever barbs may remain from the USA bombing their country just 16 years ago, veryone who my wife and I met in Serbia was cordial and even warm to guests who ould bother to come see their land. It is not always easy to move ahead, but incere efforts are afoot in Yugoslavia to learn from the past and see the uture with fresh eyes. We should recognize and applaud those efforts. Happy Earth Day. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:43:07 -0700 > From: Rosina <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Exhibition in Belgrade > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > > > Hello Danube Swabian Research Friends, > > A new exhibition just opened in Belgrade. Its called "U ime naroda! oliticka represija u srbiji 1944-1953" (In the name of the Folk! Political epression in Serbia 1944-1953). > > If you are traveling to that corner of the world in the next little while, on't fail to have a look. It even covers the Danube Swabian expulsion. > > If you go, we would love to hear about your impression. > > Easter greetings and see you in Mt. Angel, Oregon, come September! > > Rosina T. Schmidt > www.hrastovac.net > www.danube-swabians.org/MtAngel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body f the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 86 > ************************************ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

On 4/17/2014 5:57 PM, Maria Moore wrote: > Need information from the Gottlob Family Book. I understand that the book is out of print. Would anyone have a copy that could send me the information? > > RETZLER, Johann, (Sd. Nikolaus R. - Susanna LEPPI) > *Gottlob, 18.03.1797, (Qu: Fb. Gottlob (1446) von Philipp Lung > > Thanks, > Maria > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Gottlob Familienbuch, Page 271, family 1446 RETZLER, Nikolaus, (Sd. Friedr Peter R. Katharina. Braun) *Hatzfeld 28.08.1766 LEPPI Susanna, ledig. (Td. Johann L. und Anna Maria Lauer) *Gottlob 02.02.1774. I/8 oo Gottlob 25.11.1788. I/23, Tz: Heinrich Heisser. Simon Delles, Hnr25 Kinder in Go Hnr25/23 1. Anton *12.09.1790 +03.03.1791 2. Anna Maria *21.02.1792 3. Anton *22.04.1794 4. Johann *18.03.1797 5. Katharina *12.02.1799 6. Katharina *27.04.1804 7. Balthasar *20.09.1808 8. Elisabeth *24.02.1813 Anna Maria oo Konrad PREIS. Anton oo Anna Maria MICHL. (5) Katharina oo Josef KRATZMAYER.

On 4/17/2014 5:57 PM, Maria Moore wrote: > Need information from the Gottlob Family Book. I understand that the book is out of print. Would anyone have a copy that could send me the information? > > RETZLER, Johann, (Sd. Nikolaus R. - Susanna LEPPI) > *Gottlob, 18.03.1797, (Qu: Fb. Gottlob (1446) von Philipp Lung > > Thanks, > Maria > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > Gottlob Familienbuch Page 271, family 1446 RETZLER, Nikolaus, (Sd. Friedr Peter R. Katharina. Braun) *Hatzfeld 28.08.1766 LEPPI Susanna, ledig. (Td. Johann L. und Anna Maria Lauer) *Gottlob 02.02.1774. I/8 oo Gottlob 25.11.1788. I/23, Tz: Heinrich Heisser. Simon Delles, Hnr25 Kinder in Go Hnr25/23 1. Anton *12.09.1790 +03.03.1791 2. Anna Maria *21.02.1792 3. Anton *22.04.1794 4. Johann *18.03.1797 5. Katharina *12.02.1799 6. Katharina *27.04.1804 7. Balthasar *20.09.1808 8. Elisabeth *24.02.1813 Anna Maria oo Konrad PREIS. Anton oo Anna Maria MICHL. (5) Katharina oo Josef KRATZMAYER. -- Ken

>From what I have heard from others, the exhibit in Belgrade will also focus mainly on the other Serbian ethnic groups that were also victims of Tito's regime. Donauschwaben does not have a large part. I do not know this to be true. Just that this is how someone represented the web site to me. Perhaps someone that knows Serbian could check out the site and possibly correct me. Rita > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2014 09:19:05 -0500 > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Exhibition in Belgrade > > Rosina's notice about the exhibition in Belgrade reminds me of my visit last fall to the Museum of Vojvodina in Novi Sad. The special exhibition at that time was billed to focus on the Donauschwaben settling in Vojvodina [the western Banat], but that actually took up a rather modest part of the exhibition. In actuality, it was a cultural exhibition encompassing the various ethnic peoples who occupied the Vojvodina region throughout the 18th to 20th Centuries - with some deeper history too. The exhibits were sensitively and thoughtfully executed, yet I still sensed a slight caricature aspect to the various ethnic identities. I wondered if we all tend to do this to other cultures in our own museums, and decided it is probably so. All in all, it was enriching to see the old artifacts and to experience the modern Serbian perspective on the distant past. > > Occasionally words can become heated on the Banat list from those most directly affected by past events. There remains plenty of bitterness to go around in the old Yugoslavia, but average people strive every day to set aside grievance in pursuit of a better life for themselves and their families. Whatever barbs may remain from the USA bombing their country just 16 years ago, everyone who my wife and I met in Serbia was cordial and even warm to guests who would bother to come see their land. It is not always easy to move ahead, but sincere efforts are afoot in Yugoslavia to learn from the past and see the future with fresh eyes. We should recognize and applaud those efforts. > > Happy Earth Day. > > Regards, > Charlie Tiller > St. Paul, MN > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:43:07 -0700 > > From: Rosina <[email protected]> > > Subject: [BANAT-L] Exhibition in Belgrade > > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > > > > > > > Hello Danube Swabian Research Friends, > > > > A new exhibition just opened in Belgrade. Its called "U ime naroda! Politicka represija u srbiji 1944-1953" (In the name of the Folk! Political repression in Serbia 1944-1953). > > > > If you are traveling to that corner of the world in the next little while, don't fail to have a look. It even covers the Danube Swabian expulsion. > > > > If you go, we would love to hear about your impression. > > > > Easter greetings and see you in Mt. Angel, Oregon, come September! > > > > Rosina T. Schmidt > > www.hrastovac.net > > www.danube-swabians.org/MtAngel > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to > > [email protected] > > > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > > email with no additional text. > > > > > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 86 > > ************************************ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rosina's notice about the exhibition in Belgrade reminds me of my visit last fall to the Museum of Vojvodina in Novi Sad. The special exhibition at that time was billed to focus on the Donauschwaben settling in Vojvodina [the western Banat], but that actually took up a rather modest part of the exhibition. In actuality, it was a cultural exhibition encompassing the various ethnic peoples who occupied the Vojvodina region throughout the 18th to 20th Centuries - with some deeper history too. The exhibits were sensitively and thoughtfully executed, yet I still sensed a slight caricature aspect to the various ethnic identities. I wondered if we all tend to do this to other cultures in our own museums, and decided it is probably so. All in all, it was enriching to see the old artifacts and to experience the modern Serbian perspective on the distant past. Occasionally words can become heated on the Banat list from those most directly affected by past events. There remains plenty of bitterness to go around in the old Yugoslavia, but average people strive every day to set aside grievance in pursuit of a better life for themselves and their families. Whatever barbs may remain from the USA bombing their country just 16 years ago, everyone who my wife and I met in Serbia was cordial and even warm to guests who would bother to come see their land. It is not always easy to move ahead, but sincere efforts are afoot in Yugoslavia to learn from the past and see the future with fresh eyes. We should recognize and applaud those efforts. Happy Earth Day. Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 15:43:07 -0700 > From: Rosina <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Exhibition in Belgrade > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 > > > > Hello Danube Swabian Research Friends, > > A new exhibition just opened in Belgrade. Its called "U ime naroda! Politicka represija u srbiji 1944-1953" (In the name of the Folk! Political repression in Serbia 1944-1953). > > If you are traveling to that corner of the world in the next little while, don't fail to have a look. It even covers the Danube Swabian expulsion. > > If you go, we would love to hear about your impression. > > Easter greetings and see you in Mt. Angel, Oregon, come September! > > Rosina T. Schmidt > www.hrastovac.net > www.danube-swabians.org/MtAngel > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 86 > ************************************

Hello Danube Swabian Research Friends, A new exhibition just opened in Belgrade. Its called "U ime naroda! Politicka represija u srbiji 1944-1953" (In the name of the Folk! Political repression in Serbia 1944-1953). If you are traveling to that corner of the world in the next little while, don't fail to have a look. It even covers the Danube Swabian expulsion. If you go, we would love to hear about your impression. Easter greetings and see you in Mt. Angel, Oregon, come September! Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net www.danube-swabians.org/MtAngel

Hello everyone! I have just came back from a long and exhausting tour and I have noticed this e-mail. I have to reply to a lot of mail that arrived while I was absent. If Renée Carl would like my professional opinion (about the sources, repositories and possible action), I will be glad to provide one, free of any charge but my only condition would be a separate e-mail with the abstract of the case facts and the goals for this investigation. I am just too tired and have too many e-mails so I would like to avoid studying multiple threads. Thank you very much! Also, thank you Dave for drawing my attention to this case and big hello to Susan! Best regards, Staša On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Susan Clarkson <[email protected]>wrote: > See below for comments on the children born in Johannisfeld, marked with > >>> > > Susan Clarkson > > > ________________________________ > From: rk carl <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:09 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Searching Pardan and Johannisfeld for HILLIER (HILJER) > and SCHÄDL (Schedel) > > > I’m looking for suggestions on where to go next in my research and > hoping this list will have some suggestions. I have found data on > > -- HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth > > contained in the Karl Benz Setschan Familienbuch, but nothing on their > vital details. Based on the birthdate/location of their children > (details on children at end of message), I have created a list of > locations and approximate dates: > > Beodra (Novo Miloševo) 1839-1845 > Setchan (Secanj) 1849 > Johannisfeld (Iohanisfeld, Romania) 1852-1859 > Pardan (Medja) 1866 > > Based on where the children were born and lived, it seems like the > best place to find death details on HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his > wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth would be in Setschan, Johannisfeld or > Pardan. I didn’t find anything in Setschan. It’s my understanding that > information from the Familienbuch Johannisfeld was included in the > Setschan book, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to check? Also, I > noted that the Pardan book only includes 1801 - 1836/1835/1835. > Finally, to my knowledge there is not a Beodra book, correct? > > Could someone with Johannisfeld and Pardan books look for HILLIER > (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth and let me > know if my assumptions seem correct, or if you find anything please > let me know. > > Thank you > Renée Carl > Washington DC > > HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth > Children > Susanna * 1839 Beodra oo 14.02.1870 Johannisfeld (Johann Ehardt) † > 23.04.1872 Johannisfeld > >>> Verified that she married Johann Ehardt in 1870 > Margaretha * um 1849 Setschan > Johann * um 1852 Johannisfeld > >>> He was born 10.01.1852 in Johannisfeld > Josef * um 1854 Johannisfeld > >>> No data for this birth in Johannisfeld, but some pages are missing > Maria Anna * um 1856 Johannisfeld > >>> She was born 07.12.1856 in Johannisfeld House #158 > Elisabeth * um 1859 Johannisfeld oo 21.01.1878 Setschan (Valentin > Berkessel)† 09.08.1932 Setschan. > >>> She was born 03.09.1859 Johannisfeld > Katharina * 28.02.1866 Pardan > Possible additional child: > Anna Hillier (Hiljer) * um 1845 Beodra. † 17.11.1898 Johannisfeld; > second wife of Johann Ehardt > Verified that she married Johann Ehardt, year unknown > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Stasa Cvetkovic* *http://www.synergia.rs/ <http://www.synergia.rs/>* *Tel/fax: +381 21 553 265* *Mobile: +381 62 598 517* *Novi Sad, Serbia* *Visit our webpage <http://www.synergia.rs/>*

Happy Easter to everyone! ХРИСТОС ВОСКРЕСЕ! Staša and Đurđina Cvetković On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 12:58 AM, Michael Kausch <[email protected]>wrote: > A Happy Easter to you too Rosina!!!!!!! > Mike Kausch > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Rosina > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] Happy Easter! > > > Easter greetings, > > To all our Danube Swabian cousins! > > May you be blessed abundantly! > > Rosina T. Schmidt > www.hrastovac.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- *Stasa Cvetkovic* *http://www.synergia.rs/ <http://www.synergia.rs/>* *Tel/fax: +381 21 553 265* *Mobile: +381 62 598 517* *Novi Sad, Serbia* *Visit our webpage <http://www.synergia.rs/>*

A little late so I'm hoping everybody had a wonderful Easter. :-) On Sun, Apr 20, 2014 at 3:01 AM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Happy Easter! (Rosina) > 2. Re: Happy Easter! (Michael Kausch) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 06:53:21 -0700 > From: Rosina <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] Happy Easter! > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > Easter greetings, > > To all our Danube Swabian cousins! > > May you be blessed abundantly! > > Rosina T. Schmidt > www.hrastovac.net > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2014 17:58:36 -0500 > From: "Michael Kausch" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Happy Easter! > To: "'Rosina'" <[email protected]>, "'[email protected]'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > A Happy Easter to you too Rosina!!!!!!! > Mike Kausch > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Rosina > Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:53 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] Happy Easter! > > > Easter greetings, > > To all our Danube Swabian cousins! > > May you be blessed abundantly! > > Rosina T. Schmidt > www.hrastovac.net > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in > the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the BANAT list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the BANAT mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 84 > ************************************ >

Wishing a glorious Easter to our Banat family Cathy Deschu

A Happy Easter to you too Rosina!!!!!!! Mike Kausch -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Rosina Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2014 8:53 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Happy Easter! Easter greetings, To all our Danube Swabian cousins! May you be blessed abundantly! Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Easter greetings, To all our Danube Swabian cousins! May you be blessed abundantly! Rosina T. Schmidt www.hrastovac.net

See below for comments on the children born in Johannisfeld, marked with >>> Susan Clarkson ________________________________ From: rk carl <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Searching Pardan and Johannisfeld for HILLIER (HILJER) and SCHÄDL (Schedel) I’m looking for suggestions on where to go next in my research and hoping this list will have some suggestions. I have found data on -- HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth contained in the Karl Benz Setschan Familienbuch, but nothing on their vital details. Based on the birthdate/location of their children (details on children at end of message), I have created a list of locations and approximate dates: Beodra (Novo Miloševo) 1839-1845 Setchan (Secanj) 1849 Johannisfeld (Iohanisfeld, Romania) 1852-1859 Pardan (Medja) 1866 Based on where the children were born and lived, it seems like the best place to find death details on HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth would be in Setschan, Johannisfeld or Pardan. I didn’t find anything in Setschan. It’s my understanding that information from the Familienbuch Johannisfeld was included in the Setschan book, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to check? Also, I noted that the Pardan book only includes 1801 - 1836/1835/1835. Finally, to my knowledge there is not a Beodra book, correct? Could someone with Johannisfeld and Pardan books look for HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth and let me know if my assumptions seem correct, or if you find anything please let me know. Thank you Renée Carl Washington DC HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth Children Susanna * 1839 Beodra oo 14.02.1870 Johannisfeld (Johann Ehardt) † 23.04.1872 Johannisfeld  >>> Verified that she married Johann Ehardt in 1870 Margaretha * um 1849 Setschan Johann * um 1852 Johannisfeld   >>> He was born 10.01.1852 in Johannisfeld Josef * um 1854 Johannisfeld    >>> No data for this birth in Johannisfeld, but some pages are missing Maria Anna * um 1856 Johannisfeld    >>> She was born 07.12.1856 in Johannisfeld House #158 Elisabeth * um 1859 Johannisfeld oo 21.01.1878 Setschan (Valentin Berkessel)† 09.08.1932 Setschan.    >>> She was born 03.09.1859 Johannisfeld Katharina * 28.02.1866 Pardan Possible additional child: Anna Hillier (Hiljer) * um 1845 Beodra. † 17.11.1898 Johannisfeld; second wife of Johann Ehardt    Verified that she married Johann Ehardt, year unknown   ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have sent you under another email the information from the Johannisfeld FB. Robert -----Original Message----- From: rk carl Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2014 4:09 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [BANAT-L] Searching Pardan and Johannisfeld for HILLIER (HILJER) and SCHÄDL (Schedel) I’m looking for suggestions on where to go next in my research and hoping this list will have some suggestions. I have found data on -- HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth contained in the Karl Benz Setschan Familienbuch, but nothing on their vital details. Based on the birthdate/location of their children (details on children at end of message), I have created a list of locations and approximate dates: Beodra (Novo Miloševo) 1839-1845 Setchan (Secanj) 1849 Johannisfeld (Iohanisfeld, Romania) 1852-1859 Pardan (Medja) 1866 Based on where the children were born and lived, it seems like the best place to find death details on HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth would be in Setschan, Johannisfeld or Pardan. I didn’t find anything in Setschan. It’s my understanding that information from the Familienbuch Johannisfeld was included in the Setschan book, but perhaps it would be worthwhile to check? Also, I noted that the Pardan book only includes 1801 - 1836/1835/1835. Finally, to my knowledge there is not a Beodra book, correct? Could someone with Johannisfeld and Pardan books look for HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth and let me know if my assumptions seem correct, or if you find anything please let me know. Thank you Renée Carl Washington DC HILLIER (HILJER), Nikolaus and his wife SCHÄDL (Schedel), Elisabeth Children Susanna * 1839 Beodra oo 14.02.1870 Johannisfeld (Johann Ehardt) † 23.04.1872 Johannisfeld Margaretha * um 1849 Setschan Johann * um 1852 Johannisfeld Josef * um 1854 Johannisfeld Maria Anna * um 1856 Johannisfeld Elisabeth * um 1859 Johannisfeld oo 21.01.1878 Setschan (Valentin Berkessel)† 09.08.1932 Setschan. Katharina * 28.02.1866 Pardan Possible additional child: Anna Hillier (Hiljer) * um 1845 Beodra. † 17.11.1898 Johannisfeld; second wife of Johann Ehardt ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message