Dear Friends, I could use some help. I found an online map of the houses in Franzfeld in 1944, Ortsplan 1944 at www.franzfeld.de/?page_id=821. I was able to download it to my computer, but the print is too small to read. When I expanded the picture, the names are then too distorted to read. Do you know if there is a way to purchase a copy of this map at a size where the names are readable, or do you know if anyone has coded the family home parcels and attached a list of who lived at each site? This is a terrific map and I would love to compare it to our extended family to connect with where they lived. Thanks for any guidance! (...and also for all each of you do. This list is a wonderful resource!) Kathy Agard Just in case a family member is on the list and would like to share information - Great Grandparents - Christine Bohland (nee: Scheuermann) from Franzfeld, immigrated to the United States in 1904 with children Phillip, and Elizabeth Daughter of Jakob Scheuermann and Katharina Klein Johann Bohland from Mramorak immigrated to the United States in 1901 Son of Deitrich Bohland and Elizabeth Urschel

I was married 56 years ago in January. After an October engagement the Catholic Church set out rules, conferences and conditions that were not met until January and we needed to set a date before Lent. Bummer was the snow storm that my family had to drive through for 90 miles to the church in my wife's home town of Clinton, IA. My Chicago family, most of them, made the trip but were not happy the reception was held at the YWCA and no alcohol could be served. My point is that January is just before Lent, just after Xmas and convenient when you have been waiting months. BTW we are still very happy together. Dick Barak St Francis, MN

Here in Zone 7 (USA), the last frost date is April 15th. Easy to remember as it is tax day. That started me wondering about the last frost date in the Banat area and maybe if that tied into Lent. The Utah Climate Center (Utah State University) gives last frost dates for various countries including Romania: http://climate.usurf.usu.edu/reports/freezeDates.php?ntwk=GHCN&sSubmit=Selec t&acronym=RO&sSubmit=Select&g_state=UT Arad's earliest last spring freeze date is Feb 23rd. Some places were later, some were a little earlier. Ash Wednesday can be as early as Feb 4th and as late as Mar 10th. As Lent is starting up, so is planting time when you don't want to get married and don't have the time to party. Perhaps it is not a Church prohibition against getting married during Lent rather that it coincides with planting time. "Don't get married during Lent! That's planting time!" Ed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Clark Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2014 1:37 PM To: '[email protected]' Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Hello, I'm catholic and got married during Lent near Dallas, Texas. It depends where you live whether or not the priest/bishops are willing to allow marriages during those times of the year. pq ________________________________ From: Edward J. Lowitz <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Is that documented anywhere?  I am Catholic (Philadelphia) and have never heard of any restrictions on getting married during Advent or Lent.  Then again, I remember when there was the Great Debate of Women Wearing Hats in Church - turned out to be 'tradition' not 'dogma'. I did a search on 'weddings during Advent' and the closest thing I could find was a reference on the Diocese of Orlando's website: http://www.orlandodiocese.org/liturgy-advent-a-christmas-guidelines that said : "Marriages during the Seasons of Advent and Christmas No prohibitions are prescribed which limit the celebration of the Sacrament of Marriage during the Advent and Christmas Seasons. The Sundays and Solemnities of the Seasons would restrict the use of the Nuptial Mass and readings. (RM 11) White vestments are used for marriages. The Penitential Act is omitted and the "Glory to God" is sung." The Episcopal Diocese of New York says: "Seasons for Marriages Marriages are not traditionally celebrated in Advent and in Lent because these are penitential seasons during which times festal liturgies, such as weddings, are not appropriate. Diocesan policy is that weddings during Advent or Lent should only happen in the case of serious, pressing, compelling pastoral need." http://www.dioceseny.org/pages/75-weddings-and-funerals Neither of these are in the Banat prior to the 20th Century so does anyone have documentation substantiating this? Ed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Sander Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:15 PM To: Marlene Perrucci; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Another possible reason for January weddings was that weddings were not permitted during Advent or Lent.    Advent is the period before Christmas and Lent occurs prior to Easter.    So January, February and part of March would be acceptable to the church. Just another idea.  Susan > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:00:20 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries > > I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. > > I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) > alive to help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went > back with my mom in July 2012. > > Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of > a spouse to ensure that the children and household could be > maintained. Most men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home > to tend to the children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the > financial resources to live alone after their husband died. > > Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married > (1925) it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter > months as the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was > more prevalent for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the holidays. > > Re:Cemeteries. > > There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very > clearly where her family members were buried in both. The first one > was located right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the > brush, we couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location > still had stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from > one of the residents that we spoke with that the headstones were > ground up to use in paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. > > Marlene Perrucci > Chicago Area > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 > From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear List: > > Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen > Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I > was searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and > third, marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. > Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the > death of a spouse. > > Can someone explain? > > Eileen Lund-Johnson > Minnesota >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Marilyn, I am sorry you did not receive my response to your email. Since it was rather lengthy, I sent it directly to you on the 18th of the month. Going through the list must be the better way to communicate. Sorry, I am not too accustomed to exchanges via the list. Thanks again, Anne ____________________________________ From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: 4/18/2014 4:38:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: [BANAT-L] Angner--Burger Families Hi Again Marilyn, When I responded to your email, I had not yet read your first one. After reading this, your first email, I believe some information we have is incorrect. First let me say - Lorenz Angner is not directly related to me but he was married to Marion Burger. Marion was my grandmother's sister and only sibling. My grandmother was Anna M. Burger, both born 1882 in Lowrin. Their father was Andreas (sp) Andrew Burger and their mother was Johanna Forques, also both from Lowrin. Anna M. Burger married Johann Isler from Lowrin in 1904. In 1906, they arrived in the US with their daughter, Magdalen age 2. They had a second daughter, Teresa born in 1908, and a third daughter, Anna, born in 1910. At this time Johann (my grandfather) was working on a farm in Deans, NJ. This is information I picked up from David Dryer's Ship List: Angner Lorenz - Age 28 from Lowrin (born in Neusiedel). Wed-Feb. 17, 1909 to Deans, NJ. Wife Maria (Marian) age 22 and daughter Franziska age 3. Going to join brother-in-law Johann Islem (Isler). My grandparents often spoke of her sister Marian and her husband Lorenz coming to America to work but they did stay. If I were not sure of the Deans, NJ connection, I would say that I had the wrong family. My grandfather moved to Philadelphia soon after and bought a store front property and began selling milk by the ladles! (no pasteurization at that time). This evolved into a regular milk delivery business but required nightly scrubbing of milk bottles and refilling them. I always heard that Marian and Lorenz found this work to be tedious and returned to Lowrin. How sure are you of your information? Anne from Phila. In a message dated 4/16/2014 7:45:30 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I haven't looked at my genealogy for a couple of years and it seems like your Lorenz Angner is my dad's uncle. My papers show he was married to an Anna M. Burger. They had a daughter Anna b. 19.04.1904. d. 5.12.1904. Another daughter b. 31.10.1908. married 25.10.1924 to Johann Hartmann. Lorenz name was Laurentius. b. 10.12.1880. and d. 6.04.1944 in Lowrin How is Lorenz related to you? My dad had a cousin in Philadelphia Nicholas John Angner married to an Anna. His father was Mathias Angner and mother Barbara Schoenborn. It seems some of the family lived in Phily and went back to Europe. Marilyn Angner from Westchester IL To look into the eyes of a wolf is to see your own soul. Aldo Leopold. On Apr 5, 2014, at 1:21 PM, [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) wrote: Will someone kindly do a look-up for me or give me a clue about where I can research these families: Lorenz Angner - B. 1881 in Neusiedel MT: Marion Burger B. 1887 in Lowrin They had a daughter Franziska B.1906 in Lowrin and possibly a son. Even the smallest hint of anyone in these families would be greatly appreciated. This is truly a brick wall which I have been faced with for many years. Many thanks, Anne in Philadelphia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected]) with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message =

Hello, I'm catholic and got married during Lent near Dallas, Texas. It depends where you live whether or not the priest/bishops are willing to allow marriages during those times of the year. pq ________________________________ From: Edward J. Lowitz <[email protected]> To: "'[email protected]'" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Is that documented anywhere?  I am Catholic (Philadelphia) and have never heard of any restrictions on getting married during Advent or Lent.  Then again, I remember when there was the Great Debate of Women Wearing Hats in Church - turned out to be 'tradition' not 'dogma'. I did a search on 'weddings during Advent' and the closest thing I could find was a reference on the Diocese of Orlando's website: http://www.orlandodiocese.org/liturgy-advent-a-christmas-guidelines that said : "Marriages during the Seasons of Advent and Christmas No prohibitions are prescribed which limit the celebration of the Sacrament of Marriage during the Advent and Christmas Seasons. The Sundays and Solemnities of the Seasons would restrict the use of the Nuptial Mass and readings. (RM 11) White vestments are used for marriages. The Penitential Act is omitted and the "Glory to God" is sung." The Episcopal Diocese of New York says: "Seasons for Marriages Marriages are not traditionally celebrated in Advent and in Lent because these are penitential seasons during which times festal liturgies, such as weddings, are not appropriate. Diocesan policy is that weddings during Advent or Lent should only happen in the case of serious, pressing, compelling pastoral need." http://www.dioceseny.org/pages/75-weddings-and-funerals Neither of these are in the Banat prior to the 20th Century so does anyone have documentation substantiating this? Ed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Sander Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:15 PM To: Marlene Perrucci; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Another possible reason for January weddings was that weddings were not permitted during Advent or Lent.    Advent is the period before Christmas and Lent occurs prior to Easter.    So January, February and part of March would be acceptable to the church. Just another idea.  Susan > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:00:20 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries > > I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. > > I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) > alive to help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went > back with my mom in July 2012. > > Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of > a spouse to ensure that the children and household could be > maintained. Most men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home > to tend to the children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the > financial resources to live alone after their husband died. > > Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married > (1925) it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter > months as the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was > more prevalent for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the holidays. > > Re:Cemeteries. > > There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very > clearly where her family members were buried in both. The first one > was located right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the > brush, we couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location > still had stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from > one of the residents that we spoke with that the headstones were > ground up to use in paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. > > Marlene Perrucci > Chicago Area > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 > From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear List: > > Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen > Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I > was searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and > third, marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. > Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the > death of a spouse. > > Can someone explain? > > Eileen Lund-Johnson > Minnesota >  > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message                         ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My parents were married 2.2.1941 in the former Yugoslavia, mom said they had to be married then or wait till much later because of Lent. Mom wanted to wait but dad didn't and she found out later it was because he was conscripted back into the Yugoslavian Army. My mother thought she was a widow a few months later when my father was in Belgrade during the bombing in April. I wouldn't be here if that was the case though. Eve On Fri, Apr 25, 2014 at 6:15 PM, Susan Sander <[email protected]> wrote: > Another possible reason for January weddings was that weddings > were not permitted during Advent or Lent. Advent is the period > before Christmas and Lent occurs prior to Easter. So January, > February and part of March would be acceptable to the church. > Just another idea. Susan > > > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:00:20 -0500 > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries > > > > I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. > > > > I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) alive > to > > help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went back with my > > mom in July 2012. > > > > Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of a > > spouse to ensure that the children and household could be maintained. > Most > > men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home to tend to the > > children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the financial resources > to > > live alone after their husband died. > > > > Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married (1925) > > it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter months as > > the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was more prevalent > > for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the > holidays. > > > > Re:Cemeteries. > > > > There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very > clearly > > where her family members were buried in both. The first one was located > > right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the brush, we > > couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location still had > > stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from one of the > > residents that we spoke with that the headstones were ground up to use in > > paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. > > > > Marlene Perrucci > > Chicago Area > > > > > > > > Message: 4 > > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 > > From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> > > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages > > To: [email protected] > > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > > > Dear List: > > > > Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen > > Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I was > > searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and third, > > marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. > > Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the > > death of a spouse. > > > > Can someone explain? > > > > Eileen Lund-Johnson > > Minnesota > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > -- Syrmia Regional Coordinator http://www.dvhh.org/syrmia

In Glogowatz and Neupanat the busiest months for first marriages seemed to be 1. January and 2, November. Those would be when work was the least and did not interfere with Christmas. If young children were involved, subsequent marriages were quite soon after the death of the spouse. This was a necessity in a predominantly agricultural community. There were no nursery schools and no microwave meals--we're talking about meals made from "scratch" on wood stoves. Being a mother and housewife was more than a full time job. George -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander <[email protected]> To: Marlene Perrucci <[email protected]>; [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Fri, Apr 25, 2014 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Another possible reason for January weddings was that weddings were not permitted during Advent or Lent. Advent is the period before Christmas and Lent occurs prior to Easter. So January, February and part of March would be acceptable to the church. Just another idea. Susan > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:00:20 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries > > I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. > > I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) alive to > help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went back with my > mom in July 2012. > > Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of a > spouse to ensure that the children and household could be maintained. Most > men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home to tend to the > children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the financial resources to > live alone after their husband died. > > Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married (1925) > it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter months as > the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was more prevalent > for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the holidays. > > Re:Cemeteries. > > There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very clearly > where her family members were buried in both. The first one was located > right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the brush, we > couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location still had > stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from one of the > residents that we spoke with that the headstones were ground up to use in > paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. > > Marlene Perrucci > Chicago Area > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 > From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear List: > > Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen > Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I was > searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and third, > marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. > Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the > death of a spouse. > > Can someone explain? > > Eileen Lund-Johnson > Minnesota > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is that documented anywhere? I am Catholic (Philadelphia) and have never heard of any restrictions on getting married during Advent or Lent. Then again, I remember when there was the Great Debate of Women Wearing Hats in Church - turned out to be 'tradition' not 'dogma'. I did a search on 'weddings during Advent' and the closest thing I could find was a reference on the Diocese of Orlando's website: http://www.orlandodiocese.org/liturgy-advent-a-christmas-guidelines that said : "Marriages during the Seasons of Advent and Christmas No prohibitions are prescribed which limit the celebration of the Sacrament of Marriage during the Advent and Christmas Seasons. The Sundays and Solemnities of the Seasons would restrict the use of the Nuptial Mass and readings. (RM 11) White vestments are used for marriages. The Penitential Act is omitted and the "Glory to God" is sung." The Episcopal Diocese of New York says: "Seasons for Marriages Marriages are not traditionally celebrated in Advent and in Lent because these are penitential seasons during which times festal liturgies, such as weddings, are not appropriate. Diocesan policy is that weddings during Advent or Lent should only happen in the case of serious, pressing, compelling pastoral need." http://www.dioceseny.org/pages/75-weddings-and-funerals Neither of these are in the Banat prior to the 20th Century so does anyone have documentation substantiating this? Ed. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Susan Sander Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:15 PM To: Marlene Perrucci; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Another possible reason for January weddings was that weddings were not permitted during Advent or Lent. Advent is the period before Christmas and Lent occurs prior to Easter. So January, February and part of March would be acceptable to the church. Just another idea. Susan > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:00:20 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries > > I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. > > I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) > alive to help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went > back with my mom in July 2012. > > Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of > a spouse to ensure that the children and household could be > maintained. Most men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home > to tend to the children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the > financial resources to live alone after their husband died. > > Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married > (1925) it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter > months as the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was > more prevalent for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the holidays. > > Re:Cemeteries. > > There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very > clearly where her family members were buried in both. The first one > was located right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the > brush, we couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location > still had stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from > one of the residents that we spoke with that the headstones were > ground up to use in paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. > > Marlene Perrucci > Chicago Area > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 > From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear List: > > Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen > Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I > was searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and > third, marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. > Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the > death of a spouse. > > Can someone explain? > > Eileen Lund-Johnson > Minnesota > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Susan, The reason is much simpler. It was the only time of the year when work did not pre-occupy everyone day and night. It was the farmer's "leisure" time of the year and the time for slaughtering swine before Christmas and after New Year for the wedding celebrations. They made the most of it and that is why the weddings lasted several days with each day having significant meaning with special food and dances. Our village tradition that originated in Upper Hessen included the Bretzlbaum dance and the Strudel Walzer danced only by the women. I'm afraid our weddings are a poor substitute although in my childhood growing up in Canada the early immigrants like my parents who arrived in the 1920s still had two and three day wedding celebrations. What a time we kids had... Henry Fischer -----Original Message----- From: Susan Sander Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 6:15 PM To: Marlene Perrucci ; [email protected] Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries Another possible reason for January weddings was that weddings were not permitted during Advent or Lent. Advent is the period before Christmas and Lent occurs prior to Easter. So January, February and part of March would be acceptable to the church. Just another idea. Susan > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:00:20 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries > > I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. > > I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) alive to > help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went back with my > mom in July 2012. > > Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of a > spouse to ensure that the children and household could be maintained. Most > men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home to tend to the > children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the financial resources > to > live alone after their husband died. > > Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married (1925) > it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter months as > the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was more prevalent > for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the > holidays. > > Re:Cemeteries. > > There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very clearly > where her family members were buried in both. The first one was located > right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the brush, we > couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location still had > stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from one of the > residents that we spoke with that the headstones were ground up to use in > paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. > > Marlene Perrucci > Chicago Area > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 > From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear List: > > Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen > Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I was > searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and third, > marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. > Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the > death of a spouse. > > Can someone explain? > > Eileen Lund-Johnson > Minnesota > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Darlene, There is no evidence of Ballauer or Naurer in the Modosch family book by Porte. There is an entry of possible interest of a Johann Ballauer, a widower, *ca 1810 in the Hatzfeld family book. Dave Dreyer ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 25, 2014 4:12 PM Subject: [BANAT-L] Look up Modosch BALLAUER/PALLAUER > Johannes Ballauer married Catherine Naurer around 1807. > They had a son, Johannes born 2.05.1808 Gertianosch. > Moved from Gertianosch to Modosch after 1808. Any evidence of this couple > in Modosch? > > Looking for parents of Johannes Ballauer and Catherine Naurer. Parents > names, where parents are from, birth/death dates and any other children. > > Thanks > Darlene > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Johannes Ballauer married Catherine Naurer around 1807. They had a son, Johannes born 2.05.1808 Gertianosch. Moved from Gertianosch to Modosch after 1808. Any evidence of this couple in Modosch? Looking for parents of Johannes Ballauer and Catherine Naurer. Parents names, where parents are from, birth/death dates and any other children. Thanks Darlene

Another possible reason for January weddings was that weddings were not permitted during Advent or Lent. Advent is the period before Christmas and Lent occurs prior to Easter. So January, February and part of March would be acceptable to the church. Just another idea. Susan > Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2014 07:00:20 -0500 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages / Notes on Cemeteries > > I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. > > I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) alive to > help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went back with my > mom in July 2012. > > Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of a > spouse to ensure that the children and household could be maintained. Most > men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home to tend to the > children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the financial resources to > live alone after their husband died. > > Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married (1925) > it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter months as > the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was more prevalent > for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the holidays. > > Re:Cemeteries. > > There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very clearly > where her family members were buried in both. The first one was located > right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the brush, we > couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location still had > stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from one of the > residents that we spoke with that the headstones were ground up to use in > paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. > > Marlene Perrucci > Chicago Area > > > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 > From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> > Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Dear List: > > Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen > Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I was > searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and third, > marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. > Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the > death of a spouse. > > Can someone explain? > > Eileen Lund-Johnson > Minnesota > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I am a new subscriber, so not sure of the correct protocol to respond. I am very fortunate to still have my great aunt (97) and mom (87) alive to help with my research. They are from Tschesterek, and I went back with my mom in July 2012. Second (and third) marriages were quickly arranged after the death of a spouse to ensure that the children and household could be maintained. Most men worked as farmers, so they needed someone at home to tend to the children, garden, cook. Most widows did not have the financial resources to live alone after their husband died. Why in January? According to my mom, when her parents were married (1925) it was still more likely for people to marry during the winter months as the outside work was less. She's not sure why January was more prevalent for second / third marriages, unless people waited until after the holidays. Re:Cemeteries. There were 2 cemeteries in Tschesterek, and my mother recalls very clearly where her family members were buried in both. The first one was located right at the edge of town, and when we walked through the brush, we couldn't find any traces of a cemetery. The second location still had stones and plots, but most were destroyed. We found out from one of the residents that we spoke with that the headstones were ground up to use in paving the roads. It was a very emotional journey for my mom. Marlene Perrucci Chicago Area Message: 4 Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2014 18:53:21 -0500 From: Eileen & George <[email protected]> Subject: [BANAT-L] January Marriages To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Dear List: Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I was searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and third, marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the death of a spouse. Can someone explain? Eileen Lund-Johnson Minnesota

Dear List: Recently in reading more thoroughly through the Sackelhausen Familienbuch something interesting came to light. For the surnames I was searching, there seemed to be an abnormal number of second, and third, marriages in January. Rarely was there was a lapse of more than a year. Generally these marriages were the January immediately following the death of a spouse. Can someone explain? Eileen Lund-Johnson Minnesota

Hi, Does anyone have this book, below? If so I would like a look-up and copy of the Schummer/Schumer pages. I've been told there are 11 pages. Thank you. Author Hornung, Helga. Title Familienbuch der katholischen Pfarrgemeinde Deutsch Zerne im Banat : Deutsch Cernya, Nemet-Czernya, Nemetczernya, Nemacka-Crnja : 1808-1918/1946 : auf der Grundlage der Kirchenbücher von Deutsch Zerne mit Serbisch Zerne und Tomsdorf-Hettin / von Helga und Anton Hornung. Imprint Villingen-Schwenningen : Arbeitsgemeinschaft für Veröffentlichung Banater Familienbücher, 2009. [email protected]

Spring at last, here in Michigan! I'm glad to see these recent thoughts on all name and spelling variations for the same family surname. And, I want to mention again, especially to Amanda, what I found after looking at some of the handwriting charts regarding KAISER. One chart was by Felix Gundacker, and one was from the Family History Library. After studying them again, particularly how the lower case a's were written, I am pretty convinced that what I thought was KVEISER, in the church book pages, was actually KAEISER. But I was interpreting it as though it were written in today's cursive handwriting, instead of what might have been old German or Gothic I think. Not a new thought for many on the List, but a good learning experience for me. Best to all, Marilyn On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 3:41 PM, Marilyn Fedewa <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi All, > After looking at Edward's chart, I think it's highly possible that what > looked to me like a lower case V might have been the priest's way of > writing the lower case AE, letter because the old V's look nothing like > what I saw, and the old lower case A's look more like it. I also see in the > variations of the name, that the priest's spelling of Kaissez -- or that > might be an R at the end -- is one of the many variations. > Marilyn / snowed-in in Michigan, with wind chill at minus 10, a great day > to ruminate on family trees! > > > On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 12:40 PM, Edward J. Lowitz < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I can’t really say as I don’t have the document(s) in front of me but as >> the priest’s surname begins as ‘Kais’ and KAISER begins ‘Kais’ (bracketing >> the ‘a’ in question), I think it is strange that he would not write them >> both the same way. >> >> >> >> One thing I didn’t think to mention in my prior post was to do a Google >> search on Kveiser to see if it shows up anywhere as a ‘valid’ surname. >> Give it a shot (I just did that). Radix had a listing for a Miklos >> Kveiser. The Lebanon Daily News (Pennsylvania) has several entries for the >> surname Kveiser. There are some Google book entries for Kveiser (that >> appear to be in Fraktur) that are a little confusing as well. >> >> >> >> Based on those Google hits, it does look as though ‘Kveiser’ might be a >> surname in its own right. Weird stuff does happen though so I’d just keep >> it in the related family folder and see what a few more years research >> uncovers. >> >> >> >> BTW, here’s a real good Fraktur chart from Yale: >> >> >> >> http://www.library.yale.edu/cataloging/music/fraktur.htm >> >> >> >> Ed. >> >> *From:* Marilyn Fedewa [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Monday, January 06, 2014 11:18 AM >> *To:* Edward J. Lowitz; [email protected] >> *Cc:* Amanda Kaiser >> >> *Subject:* Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? >> >> >> >> Hi Ed. This is certainly confounding! Ironically, the priest was the same >> Ferencz Kaissez for all the records (4 or 5) that I saw from 1896-1901. And >> he consistently wrote his name beginning with Ka, with a definitely >> close-looped A. At the same time, all the entries that he wrote for what I >> take as Amanda's family have what really looks like Kv. Altho I checked an >> old German handwriting guide and it appears that some ae letters may be >> written somewhat like a V or a U. >> >> >> >> What do you think? >> >> >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 12:59 PM, Edward J. Lowitz < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >> Correct me if I'm wrong but I have never heard where the parish priest >> asked >> the parishioners to check his spelling after he made an entry in any of >> the >> Registers. I'd be interested to know if they did. Doesn't help out if >> the >> parishioners were illiterate, but it would be nice for us to know. >> >> I once came across a transcribed record which listed the surname as >> 'Basset'. As I was very familiar with the family and suspected the entry >> (made by a JP) was wrong, I looked at the source record and noticed the JP >> slanted his script 'r' upwards with a little curl at the end - when he >> wrote >> 'are', it could be confused as 'ase'. He had written 'Barret' which the >> transcriber thought was 'Basset'! I had know that 'Barret' was the >> correct >> entry. >> >> In the Kaiser/Kveiser scenario, we are looking at a 1 to 2 letter >> variance - >> possibly the 've' was meant to be an 'a'. Was Kveiser written more than >> one >> time in the source documents? Was it written as Kveiser only by one >> writer >> or multiple writers in the source documents? What surname spellings are >> associated with known peripheral family members (ex. brothers, sisters, >> parents, etc.)? >> >> Bahlow's book on German Surnames does not have an entry for Kveiser as a >> subset of Kaiser or as an independent entry. Then again, it does not list >> my surname either (Wendian name for a small town in NE Germany). :-) >> >> Following on those lines, surnames do have meaning. If you can't find a >> meaning/translation for 'Kveiser', I'd assume that either the priest got >> into the sacrificial wine or else someone bumped his arm when he was >> making >> the entry. >> >> Ed. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On >> Behalf Of Marilyn Fedewa >> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 12:11 PM >> To: Amanda Kaiser >> Cc: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? >> >> Hi Amanda, >> >> I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as >> Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input >> from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that >> the >> Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear >> some >> responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when the >> priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of >> which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are >> many >> examples of this among List members. >> >> In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed >> sometimes >> as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with >> the >> umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent >> over >> the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared as >> Hech, >> Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a Holz, who >> escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents well, >> said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is how we >> pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, and >> Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's surname >> has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably a couple >> more, can't remember at the moment. >> >> Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd rather >> first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. >> >> In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >> > Hi Marilyn, >> > I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but >> > there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know >> > about your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling >> > change. Can I give him you email address so he can confer with you? He >> > is a reasearcher for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found >> > my grandad's brothers and sister. As far as I know my great >> > grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was born in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly >> > married in St Georgen (can't find any records), had children in Grob >> > Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's wedding (my grandad Franz >> > Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and listed as living in >> > Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased at the time of >> > the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just that my >> > grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other >> > family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended >> > up and possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather >> Nikolaus may be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. >> > Take care >> > :) mandy >> > ________________________________________ >> > >

With regard to the following query on the Banat list, there has been no formal event yet arranged for the Twin Cities. See below for the chain of recent correspondence on the DS-TwinCities listserv. There now looks to be a groundswell of interest since our last event was three or four years ago. Perhaps we can convince Carol or some other kind soul to actually devise a plan (work is pretty busy for me these days). [By the way, I would welcome all of good spirit who are sincerely interested, whatever their ethnic background; Hungary-South was a very mixed bag after all.]Regards, Charlie Tiller, St. Paul, MN > From: [email protected] > Subject: BANAT Digest, Vol 9, Issue 88 > To: [email protected] > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 17:20:41 -0600 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2014 10:58:39 -0500 > From: Marilyn McClaskey <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Twin Cities Meeting > To: "BANAT LIST" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > I would be very interested. I think I missed the beginning of this > thread, but if potato pancakes are involved, it must be good. > DS-TwinCities listserv chain:Carol Cicotta wrote: It crossed my mind that I would show my photos taken in 2006 when Glen Schwartz from Canada, a group from Canada, and three of us from the US took the first organized trip to Hungary and created an adventure that went through Germany, Luxembourg, France, Austria, Hungary, Romania, Serbia and then back to Germany. My photos are not necessarily organized but a conglomeration of all those who took the trip. We put them all on a CD and came up with almost 4,000 from 13 people, including our bus guide who just happened to be a photographer by trade. It was a thought anyway.............figured the lunch or supper would come first though-------just to get reacquainted cac From: Charlie Tiller [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2014 8:27 AM To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [DS-TwinCities] up for a 2014 meeting? Steve et al, A spring-summer brunch or dinner would be nice if there is enough interest among the TC local Banaters. My 2013 track went from Novi Sad to Timisoara and back with Stasa Cvetkovic, who is a friendly and knowledgable Serbian guide. We stopped in Srpska Crnja (Deutsch Zerne), Toba, and Jimbolia (Hatzfeld), with a quick pass through Grabatz. We did this all in one day, so it was quite a lot in a very short time. Having done the research already, that was enough for me to fulfill my personal aim of getting a palpable sense of the place. Aside from the cities, these are not tourist destinations; the only people who will find a thrill are those seeking ancestral nostalgia - and it worked for me. My main regret was not having time to stalk the cemeteries for ancestors, but that could really take weeks and might still not turn up my people. It came to mind that a cool project would be staying in town to map the cemeteries along with GPS and photos, but that could take many people many weeks. Maybe when I retire someday and have exhausted my other interests...? Regards, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Subject: RE: [DS-TwinCities] up for a 2014 meeting? Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2014 21:42:20 -0700 Hi Carol and fellow Banaters, This list has been very quiet over past several years and I'm glad to see some interest in another gathering. Charlie, I think that many in the group would be interested in hearing about your travels to the Banat. What villages did you visit? ... Steve Herold Now living in Bismarck, ND-----------------------------------------------------------------------------C.Tiller wrote: Hi all, Do I take it that the recent few emails on this long-dormant listserv imply interest in another DS meet-up in the Twin Cities in the near future? I'd look forward to sharing about my visit to the Banat neighborhood last fall and hearing about others recent discoveries. Best wishes to my fellow Banaters and Schwabs, Charlie Tiller St. Paul, MN

Michael HUPFEL also listed as HIPFEL * um 1716 Podersdorf and wife Anna Maria are my ancestors as well. Linda Bautz McKenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Clark" <[email protected]> To: "Fran Matkovich" <[email protected]>; "Maria Moore" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2014 7:53 AM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz book > Some information on the book is available at > http://www.banatbooks.com/FamilienbuchList.htm > > PS: The Grabatz book can be ordered from Grabatz HOG, Alfred Ivanov, Am > Hasenlauf 23, D-67591 Offstein; > There is some Email information on the web site. > > I just mailed him cash US post to Germany and in a couple of weeks the > book arrived. It is a two book set in hard cover that requires about 4 > inches of shelve space and cost a bit more than some of the CD books. I > only have one direct line from Grabatz for my family, but several of my > distant cousins have Grabatz connections and the books have been a good > resource. > > Paul Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Paul Clark <[email protected]> > To: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]>; Maria Moore > <[email protected]>; "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 9:47 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Josef HÜPFEL Grabatz > > > > In Grabatz book > > 2330 HÜPFEL Karl, 2313.5 > * 03.11.1851 Grabatz > oo K 12.01.1875 Grabatz > SCHILLING Barbara, 4713.10 > * 31.07.1854 Grabatz > > I had overlooked one Josef who is a son of the couple below and probably > the one but still one month off. > > 2332 HÜPFEL Philipp 2313.9 (brother of Karl above) > * 07.11.1858 Grabatz > oo K 06.07.1880 Grabatz (Tz: Michael Henzl, Michael HÜPFEL) > Manjet Magdalena 3262.12 > *16.09.1858 Grabatz > > 1. Josef *25.01.1881 in Grabatz > 2. Elisabeth *21.12.1882 Grabatz > 3. Theresia *27.07.1884 Grabatz > > Paten: 1. Josef Erling, Theresia HÜPFEL > > There are four more generations of HÜPFEL back to Michael HÜPFEL *um 1716 > Podersdorf +21.01.1770 Grabatz and spouse Anna Maria Unknown *1720 > Burgenland + 1765 Boglar > > Two other possible Josef both born in 1881 > > Josef *15.09.1881 Grabatz son of Johann HÜPFEL and Theresia HÜPFEL > > Josef *15.07.1881 Grabatz son of Karl HÜPFEL and Barbara Shilling. There > are 4 more siblings in the Grabatz book bottom of page 550 Josef *1874, > Barbara *1878, Franz *1880, Johann * 1884 Appears this couple moved back > and forth between Deutsch Zerne and Grabatz > > There is more information on most of these people, but I only have the > book in hard copy, so not providing it at this time. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > ________________________________ > From: Fran Matkovich <[email protected]> > To: Paul Clark <[email protected]>; Maria Moore <[email protected]>; > [email protected]; [email protected] > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 4:02 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > The > following HÜPFEL are from the Deutsch Zerne Familienbuch. Perhaps they > are related, as the first one refers back to Grabatz. > > 4014 > HÜPFEL Karl, Taglöhner > * e 1851 Grabatz +/bgr 11/12.06.1928 SZ/DZ > SZ Haus Nr. 725 > vh > SCHILLINGER Barbara, SZ > * Grabatz > 1. Jakob * e 1877 Grabatz <4015> > 2. Anna */~ 08/09.07.1883 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schillinger, Anna Schillinger > <12189> > 3. Johann */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Schäfer, Theresia Schleimer > <4016> > 4. Anton */~ 12/13.03.1892 SZ/DZ +/bgr 19/20.09.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Anton > Stiebl, > Franziska Weissmann > 5. Franz */~ 17/18.02.1894 SZ/DZ +/bgr 11/12.02.1898 SZ/DZ P.: Franz > Kremer, > Barbara Schillinger > 6. Franz Karl Josef */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Walter, Elisabetha > Behring <4017> > 4015 > HÜPFEL Jakob <4014.1>, Taglöhner, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara > * e 1877 Grabatz +/bgr 09/11.08.1924 DZ, Typhus > Haus Nr. 725, 817, DZ 146, ab 29.06.1906 in Cleveland > vh K 29.01.1900 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Jakob Schillinger, Nikolaus Kampf) > NEUMAYER Eva <7804.5>, T.v. N. Heinrich und KAMPF Katharina > */~ 11.02.1877 DZ +/bgr 30.04/01.05.1935 DZ, Asthma > 1. Johann */~ 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Gabor, Anna Hüpfel <4018> > 2. Gertrud */~ 23/25.06.1902 DZ P.: Anton Kremer, Anton Neumajer <10401> > 3. Franz */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Katharina Krausshaar > <4019> > 4. Eva */~ 06/12.10.1920 DZ P.: Ludwig Meumayer, > Eva Schummer <10557> > 4016 > HÜPFEL Johann <4014.3>, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER Barbara > */~ 13/15.11.1885 SZ/DZ > ab 19.12.1909 mit Familie in Cleveland > vh K 15.02.1909 St.-Georgen > TITZ Barbara > * 15.06.1887 Tschesterlek > 4017 > HÜPFEL Franz Karl Josef <4014.6>, Bäcker, S.v. H. Karl und SCHILLINGER > Barbara > */~ 18/19.03.1897 SZ/DZ > auch Hipfel > vh K 09.01.1919 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Franz Walter, Josef Majer) > TABAR Anna Maria <11185.6>, T.v. T. Michael und MAYER Maria > */~ 24/30.05.1898 DZ > 1. Johann */~ 25/26.10.1919 SZ/DZ P.: Johann Hüpfel, Elisabetha Mayer > 4018 > HÜPFEL Johann <4015.1>, Musikant, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva > */~ > 27/30.09.1900 SZ/DZ > vh K 18.06.1925 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Josef Wagner, Anton Strobl) > BOCKMÜLLER Maria Anna <1092.3>, T.v. B. Nikolaus und LICHTFUß Katharina > */~ 09/10.07.1902 SZ/DZ > 1. Jakob Johann */~ 16/23.08.1925 DZ > 2. Eva */~ 21/28.02.1929 SZ/DZ P.: Franz Hüpfel, Eva Bauer (geb. > Bockmüller) > Firmung am 11.05.1938 > 4019 > HÜPFEL Franz <4015.3>, S.v. H. Jakob und NEUMAYER Eva > */~ 20/26.05.1912 DZ > vh K 16.06.1935 DZ (ledig, ledig, TZ Nikolaus Feuerholz, Mathias Ludwig, > Anton Spengler) > SEHR Magdalena <10146.3>, T.v. S. Anton und FEUERHOLZ Anna > */~ 05/06.12.1914 DZ > 1. Jakob */~ 09/13.06.1937 DZ +/bgr 27/29.09.1937 DZ P.: Jakob sehr, Eva > Hüpfel > 2. Johann */~ 20/29.10.1939 DZ P.: > Johann Hüpfel, Maria Mayer > 3. Maria */~ 11/17.05.1942 DZ P.: Josef Sehr, Johann Hüpfel, Maria Wagner > (geb. Vichnal) <842> > > > Fran Matkovich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Clark > Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 8:20 AM > To: Maria Moore ; [email protected] ; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > Hello, > > In the Grabatz book, I suspect HIPFEL has an alternate > spelling of HŰPFEL. > > There are a couple of Josef born in 1881, but I didn't see one with a > matching birthday on 25 Feb 1881. I might have overlooked it, but others > might check under the alternate spelling. > > Paul Quentin Clark > > > > ________________________________ > From: Maria Moore <[email protected]> > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>; > "[email protected]" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 9:41 PM > Subject: [BANAT-L] Adam FOHS & Family from Nagykikinda > > > I am new to the list and looking for information on my Grandparents from > the > Banat. What information I have on them from Hungary is from family stories > and documents that my father had. I have not been able to find anything on > them in any other records or indexes. I have not been able to verify the > names of my Great Grandparents or go back any further - I have hit a brick > wall. Any information anyone can provide > or point me in the right direction > is greatly appreciated. > > Catherine ROTH had a father or brothers named Anthony ROTH and Pal ROTH. > > Adam FOHS & Catherine ROTH had: > > * Elizabeth FOHS b. 1883 in Nagykikinda, Hungary > > * Adam FOHS b. 6 Nov 1889 in Nagykikinda, Hungary m. Magdalena KNAB > 1Jan1918 in Chicago, IL. Adam left Bremen on 11Sep1912 aboard the S.S. > Konigin Luise. > > Starting at the age of 14, Adam spent his 4-year apprenticeship under > master > ropemaker Pal ROTH at Nagykikinda, Hungary from 1 March 1904 to 1 March > 1908 > as an apprentice studying the craft of ropemaking. > > Juszt KNAB & Maria RECZLER had: > > * Magdalena KNAB b. 24 Dec 1879 in Seultour, Hungary m. Josef Klar > (b. about 1881) in1902. She was baptized Catholic at Saint-Hubert. > Magdalena arrived in New York on 16Oct1907 aboard the Barbarossa. They > divorced or Josef died. > > > Magdalena KLAR & Josef KLAR had: > > * Elizabeth KLAR b. 10Sep1903 in Yugoslavia. > > Josef HIPFEL b. 25Feb1881 in Grabatz, Hungary m. Elizabeth FOHS in 1900. > > Josef HIPFEL & Elizabeth FOHS had: > > * Teresa A. HIPFEL b. 28Aug1901 in Hungary > > * Elizabeth HIPFEL b. 1Jul1905 in Hungary > > * > Joseph A. 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The spelling variations I've found are often so far apart I cannot figure how it happened. for instance: Bautz =Pautz=Pauz+ Paucz= Penzer= Panzer=Peschle and all the B's and P's interchangeable, etc. go figure....... so don't give up easily !! Linda Bautz McKenna ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marilyn Fedewa" <[email protected]> To: "Amanda Kaiser" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:11 PM Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? > Hi Amanda, > > I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as > Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input > from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that > the > Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear > some responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when the > priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of > which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are > many examples of this among List members. > > In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed > sometimes > as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with > the > umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent > over the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared as > Hech, Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a Holz, > who escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents > well, said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is > how > we pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, > and Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's > surname has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably > a > couple more, can't remember at the moment. > > Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd rather > first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. > > In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, > > Marilyn > > > > On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser > <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Hi Marilyn, >> I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but >> there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know >> about >> your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling change. Can >> I >> give him you email address so he can confer with you? He is a reasearcher >> for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found my grandad's >> brothers >> and sister. As far as I know my great grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was >> born >> in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly married in St Georgen (can't find any >> records), had children in Grob Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's >> wedding (my grandad Franz Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and >> listed as living in Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased >> at the time of the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just >> that my grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other >> family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended up >> and >> possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather Nikolaus >> may >> be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. >> Take care >> :) mandy >> ________________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]] >> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 11:32 AM >> To: Amanda Kaiser >> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >> >> Hi Mandy, >> >> Sorry it took so long to respond to your last email, but our power has >> finally been restored (from a devastating Michigan ice storm). It's so >> nice >> to be home again, warm again, and connected!! I think you got all the >> info >> right from the previous emails, as far as I can see on the Banat List and >> your WikiTree page. In the meantime, here's a couple more thoughts for >> you >> . . . . >> >> 1 - Did you notice in the recent Banat LIst emails that there is a >> Michael >> Kaiser in the group? Looks to me as though his email address puts him in >> Germany, but you still may benefit from comparing notes with him. >> >> 2 - I only just received another file on births in Ernsthausen 1926-1945, >> and haven't had time to go through it all, but in the first few pages I >> did >> see two Kveiser/Kaiser's in there as godparents. One was Jacob >> Kveiser/Kaser, as godparent in Ernsthausen on November 27,1927, to baby >> Catharina daughter of Andreas Reb and Angela Waleri/Valeri. The other one >> was an Elisabeth Kveiser/Kaiser in Ernsthausen on April 22, 1928 as >> godmother to Jacob daughter of Maria Mayer. Not sure who these Kaisers >> are, >> relative to your family tree, but it places them in Ernsthausen at the >> time. For what it's worth. >> >> Wishing you continued good luck on your searches, >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Amanda Kaiser >> <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> Hi Marilyn, >> I am absolutely blown away that you found the information on my great >> grandad and great great grandparents! If I could, you'd have the biggest >> hug right now!!! >> Yes I work in Education, I have 2 jobs, mornings I work with disabled >> primary school children running specialist programs in Numeracy, Literacy >> and Speech and in >> the afternoon/night I work at the tafe (university) with disabled youth >> and adults assisting them to gain their qualification in the fields they >> are studying. End of the >> semester is very busy! Glad to be able to have time off! >> >> For the last 6 months a researcher in the banat has been trying to locate >> my family. I will pass on the information to him as he was completely >> stumped as well! He >> managed to locate the records in Grob Betschkerek of my grandad and his >> brothers & sister. Pretty sure there is another brother as my remembered >> having 4 uncles, >> my dad never knew he had an aunty. The researcher knew someone >> researching >> St Georgen and couldn't find my great grandfather in any records! >> >> So just to get it right... >> >> Nikolaus Kaiser born 1871 St Georgen (parents: Theresia (Mort) and >> Nikolaus Kaiser) >> married: 26 Nov 1896 in Ernsthausen to wife Elisabeth Schneider (parents: >> Anna (Pfendt) and Christof Schneider) >> Children: all born in Ernsthausen >> 1. Nikolaus 30 Aug 1896 oo Magdalena Gangl >> 2. Peter 7 April 1898 >> 3. Mathias 20 May 1900 >> 4. Franz 18 Dec 1901 >> >> I am so thankful! You have really made a difference! Thankyou for >> spending >> so much of your time to help. I appreciate it more than you know! >> I hope you have a great Christmas and a really wonderful New Year! >> >> :) Mandy >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >> Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 4:42 AM >> To: Amanda Kaiser >> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >> >> Hi, I figured we'd hear back from you, just wanted to make sure you >> didn't >> have a computer meltdown or something more dire. >> >> When you study Dave Dreyer's response to my note in the Banat Listings, >> you'll see that your great grandparents were actually married in >> Ernsthausen. He/Miklos/Nikolaus was listed as originally from St. George >> and living in Botos, or vice versa, can't remember at the moment which >> way >> the columns are written. And she/Ersebet/Elisabeth was listed as living >> in >> Ernsthausen house #181 & 1/2. Not only that, the priest marked down >> THEIR >> parents names, so you'll have info back to your great-greats on both of >> their sides. >> >> I'm so happy I was able to do this (I spent about three hours looking >> through the records after Dave said they weren't there, just hoping it >> wasn't so, as I know how weird the handwriting and spelling can be, and >> how >> frustrating it can be to find nada -- and so many people on the Banat >> List >> have helped me enormously. FYI, the List will be very gratified to hear >> your response. It is lovely group of very committed competent people, all >> searching for their own families, and learning as they go). >> >> So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY again!! Do I deduce from your email that you work at >> an >> educational institution? (I am semi-retired but was with Michigan State >> University and another college and university for years). All the best to >> you, Amanda! >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >> Hi Marilyn! >> Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!! >> I have just read my emails with tears streaming and the biggest smile, I >> can't believe you were able to find info on my great grandfather! I'm >> sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been working 12/13 hour >> days >> all week! Thank god today was my last day at work...I'm exhausted!!! My >> grandad and his siblings were all born in Grob Betschkerek. So I think >> that >> my great grandfather might have married in Sankt Georgen because he >> wasn't >> in the marriage register in Grob Betschkerek. I am so thankful, you have >> given me the best birthday present ever! I need to re read your email >> because I read it quickly and rushed to reply. I just wanted to let you >> know I was ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow once I have another look at >> the info and after I have a massive sleep in!!!! Yay! Take care and good >> night >> :-) mandy >> ________________________________________ >> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >> ><mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] >> Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 1:41 AM >> To: Amanda Kaiser >> Subject: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >> >> Hi Amanda, hope you are okay and wonder if you received the email and >> Banat postings about your family? I had thought you might be pleased at >> finding your great granddad. All the best, Marilyn >> >> This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally >> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this >> email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or >> any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should >> notify the sender and delete this email immediately. 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In searching for French surnames in this area I have found that phonetically pronouncing the Magyarized name to a French friend and having them spell it has worked wonders. It is in that way that Renye became Regnier and Witye became Vetier. So go with the stretches they often lead to great breakthroughs :) Brett Mayer Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 23, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Linda Bautz McKenna <[email protected]> wrote: > > The spelling variations I've found are often so far apart I cannot figure > how it happened. for instance: Bautz =Pautz=Pauz+ Paucz= Penzer= > Panzer=Peschle and all the B's and P's interchangeable, etc. go > figure....... so don't give up easily !! > > Linda Bautz McKenna > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Marilyn Fedewa" <[email protected]> > To: "Amanda Kaiser" <[email protected]> > Cc: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 1:11 PM > Subject: Re: [BANAT-L] Kaiser vs Kveiser? > > >> Hi Amanda, >> >> I can certainly understand Marco's reluctance to accept the Kveiser's as >> Kaiser's, given the difference in spelling. That's why I asked for input >> from Dave and others on the list. I still think it's highly likely that >> the >> Nikolaus we found is your great granddad, but it would be great to hear >> some responses from others on the list regarding name variations, when the >> priests switched from Hungarian to German to Romanian and Latin, all of >> which influenced the spelling. As well as phonetics. I'm sure there are >> many examples of this among List members. >> >> In my own family, my maternal grandfather Franz Christ was listed >> sometimes >> as Krisczt. My paternal great grandfather showed up as Conrad Hoh (with >> the >> umlaut) and Konrad Heh, sometimes with and sometimes without the accent >> over the e. Other Heh's in my extended Ernsthausen family have appeared as >> Hech, Hach and Heh in the same document, and one living gentleman, a Holz, >> who escaped from Ernsthausen in his teens, and who knew my grandparents >> well, said on occasion in Ernsthausen it was also spelled Hay, which is >> how >> we pronounce it today. On Ellis Island records they appeared as Heh, Hee, >> and Hob. All of these are definitely my family. My great grandmother's >> surname has appeared on many documents as Dill, Till, Diehl, and probably >> a >> couple more, can't remember at the moment. >> >> Having said all that, before corresponding directly with Marco, I'd rather >> first hear back from the List, if that's okay with you. >> >> In the meantime, keep on trucking! All the best, >> >> Marilyn >> >> >> >> On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Amanda Kaiser >> <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Hi Marilyn, >>> I have contacted Michael and there doesn't seem to be a connection but >>> there maybe somewhere down the line. I also let the researcher know >>> about >>> your find but he seemed to be not convinced with the spelling change. Can >>> I >>> give him you email address so he can confer with you? He is a reasearcher >>> for gross betschkerek and his name is Marco. He found my grandad's >>> brothers >>> and sister. As far as I know my great grandfather Nikolaus Kaiser was >>> born >>> in Ernsthausen 1890's, possibbly married in St Georgen (can't find any >>> records), had children in Grob Betschkerek 1924 - 1934, was at his son's >>> wedding (my grandad Franz Kaiser) in Ottnang, Unterkinberg Nr2 1948 and >>> listed as living in Stayr at the time. It also says his wife was deceased >>> at the time of the marriage. From there I don't know what happened just >>> that my grandad Franz Kaiser came to australia in 1954 without any other >>> family. I don't know where all my gandad's brothers and sister ended up >>> and >>> possibly Elisabeth the youngest child of my great grandfather Nikolaus >>> may >>> be alive but I have no idea what her married name would be. >>> Take care >>> :) mandy >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]] >>> Sent: Monday, 30 December 2013 11:32 AM >>> To: Amanda Kaiser >>> Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] >>> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >>> >>> Hi Mandy, >>> >>> Sorry it took so long to respond to your last email, but our power has >>> finally been restored (from a devastating Michigan ice storm). It's so >>> nice >>> to be home again, warm again, and connected!! I think you got all the >>> info >>> right from the previous emails, as far as I can see on the Banat List and >>> your WikiTree page. In the meantime, here's a couple more thoughts for >>> you >>> . . . . >>> >>> 1 - Did you notice in the recent Banat LIst emails that there is a >>> Michael >>> Kaiser in the group? Looks to me as though his email address puts him in >>> Germany, but you still may benefit from comparing notes with him. >>> >>> 2 - I only just received another file on births in Ernsthausen 1926-1945, >>> and haven't had time to go through it all, but in the first few pages I >>> did >>> see two Kveiser/Kaiser's in there as godparents. One was Jacob >>> Kveiser/Kaser, as godparent in Ernsthausen on November 27,1927, to baby >>> Catharina daughter of Andreas Reb and Angela Waleri/Valeri. The other one >>> was an Elisabeth Kveiser/Kaiser in Ernsthausen on April 22, 1928 as >>> godmother to Jacob daughter of Maria Mayer. Not sure who these Kaisers >>> are, >>> relative to your family tree, but it places them in Ernsthausen at the >>> time. For what it's worth. >>> >>> Wishing you continued good luck on your searches, >>> >>> Marilyn >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Amanda Kaiser >>> <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Hi Marilyn, >>> I am absolutely blown away that you found the information on my great >>> grandad and great great grandparents! If I could, you'd have the biggest >>> hug right now!!! >>> Yes I work in Education, I have 2 jobs, mornings I work with disabled >>> primary school children running specialist programs in Numeracy, Literacy >>> and Speech and in >>> the afternoon/night I work at the tafe (university) with disabled youth >>> and adults assisting them to gain their qualification in the fields they >>> are studying. End of the >>> semester is very busy! Glad to be able to have time off! >>> >>> For the last 6 months a researcher in the banat has been trying to locate >>> my family. I will pass on the information to him as he was completely >>> stumped as well! He >>> managed to locate the records in Grob Betschkerek of my grandad and his >>> brothers & sister. Pretty sure there is another brother as my remembered >>> having 4 uncles, >>> my dad never knew he had an aunty. The researcher knew someone >>> researching >>> St Georgen and couldn't find my great grandfather in any records! >>> >>> So just to get it right... >>> >>> Nikolaus Kaiser born 1871 St Georgen (parents: Theresia (Mort) and >>> Nikolaus Kaiser) >>> married: 26 Nov 1896 in Ernsthausen to wife Elisabeth Schneider (parents: >>> Anna (Pfendt) and Christof Schneider) >>> Children: all born in Ernsthausen >>> 1. Nikolaus 30 Aug 1896 oo Magdalena Gangl >>> 2. Peter 7 April 1898 >>> 3. Mathias 20 May 1900 >>> 4. Franz 18 Dec 1901 >>> >>> I am so thankful! You have really made a difference! Thankyou for >>> spending >>> so much of your time to help. I appreciate it more than you know! >>> I hope you have a great Christmas and a really wonderful New Year! >>> >>> :) Mandy >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] >>> Sent: Saturday, 21 December 2013 4:42 AM >>> To: Amanda Kaiser >>> Subject: Re: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >>> >>> Hi, I figured we'd hear back from you, just wanted to make sure you >>> didn't >>> have a computer meltdown or something more dire. >>> >>> When you study Dave Dreyer's response to my note in the Banat Listings, >>> you'll see that your great grandparents were actually married in >>> Ernsthausen. He/Miklos/Nikolaus was listed as originally from St. George >>> and living in Botos, or vice versa, can't remember at the moment which >>> way >>> the columns are written. And she/Ersebet/Elisabeth was listed as living >>> in >>> Ernsthausen house #181 & 1/2. Not only that, the priest marked down >>> THEIR >>> parents names, so you'll have info back to your great-greats on both of >>> their sides. >>> >>> I'm so happy I was able to do this (I spent about three hours looking >>> through the records after Dave said they weren't there, just hoping it >>> wasn't so, as I know how weird the handwriting and spelling can be, and >>> how >>> frustrating it can be to find nada -- and so many people on the Banat >>> List >>> have helped me enormously. FYI, the List will be very gratified to hear >>> your response. It is lovely group of very committed competent people, all >>> searching for their own families, and learning as they go). >>> >>> So, HAPPY BIRTHDAY again!! Do I deduce from your email that you work at >>> an >>> educational institution? (I am semi-retired but was with Michigan State >>> University and another college and university for years). All the best to >>> you, Amanda! >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 7:15 AM, Amanda Kaiser <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]><mailto:[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: >>> Hi Marilyn! >>> Thank you thankyou thankyou thankyou thankyou!!!! >>> I have just read my emails with tears streaming and the biggest smile, I >>> can't believe you were able to find info on my great grandfather! I'm >>> sorry I didn't get back to you sooner but I've been working 12/13 hour >>> days >>> all week! Thank god today was my last day at work...I'm exhausted!!! My >>> grandad and his siblings were all born in Grob Betschkerek. So I think >>> that >>> my great grandfather might have married in Sankt Georgen because he >>> wasn't >>> in the marriage register in Grob Betschkerek. I am so thankful, you have >>> given me the best birthday present ever! I need to re read your email >>> because I read it quickly and rushed to reply. I just wanted to let you >>> know I was ok. I'll get back to you tomorrow once I have another look at >>> the info and after I have a massive sleep in!!!! Yay! Take care and good >>> night >>> :-) mandy >>> ________________________________________ >>> From: Marilyn Fedewa [[email protected]<mailto:[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>] >>> Sent: Friday, 20 December 2013 1:41 AM >>> To: Amanda Kaiser >>> Subject: Kaiser in Ernsthausen >>> >>> Hi Amanda, hope you are okay and wonder if you received the email and >>> Banat postings about your family? I had thought you might be pleased at >>> finding your great granddad. All the best, Marilyn >>> >>> This message is confidential and may contain proprietary or legally >>> privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient of this >>> email, any use, interference with, disclosure or copying of the email or >>> any part thereof (including any attachment), is prohibited and you should >>> notify the sender and delete this email immediately. To the fullest >>> extent >>> permitted by law the Gordon accepts no liability for any loss or damage >>> which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message